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General Discussion  » POLL: Now that you know the deal, what are your purchase plans for ESO?

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  BeansnBread

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1/29/14 1:01:38 PM#41
Originally posted by Ruien

If the game was sooo bad, why arent there TONS of people breaking the NDA to tell you about it? In EVERY game thats released in the last 8 years, if the game has stunk, theres been so many NDA leaks it wasnt funny.

 

Could it be that because the game might be good, the testers actually value theirr accounts and wont break the NDA

Whoa, you haven't seen the incredible amount of leaks?

SWTOR is the greatest mmo ever!

  drivendawn

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1/29/14 1:02:21 PM#42
The info about preorder and what you get will have little affect on who plays and who doesn't. The people that have already made up their minds to play will and the folks that already made up their minds against playing now just have one more reason to say they won't. All IMO of course.
  Preythan

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1/29/14 1:03:28 PM#43
Been looking at and thinking about this game for a while now and I've come to the conclusion that I'm not going to purchase it.  Most new games that come out have a few points or features that tickle me, ESO hasn't done that.  Plus, looking at the pre-order prices...pfft, F that!  Especially on a game that will be more of the same 'ol same 'ol.

  DamonVile

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1/29/14 1:05:11 PM#44

I was wait and see before, I still am. I will say the whole cash shop + sub has made it a for sure thing now where before I was at least tempted to buy it at launch.

I don't care about the CE stuff but I am strongly against a sub+cash shop. 

  IGaveUp

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I can't pull it off. I gave up.

1/29/14 1:05:47 PM#45

Not now, maybe later.  Today's news doesn't change anything for me.

 

  azzamasin

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We live in a fantasy world, a world of illusion. The great task in life is to find reality.

1/29/14 1:09:07 PM#46

All I can say is I was on the fence.  Now I have firmly fallen off to the side that is GTFO as quick as possible.  This game has train wreck written all over it. 

 

 

 

I just wish Wildstar didn't look like a Saturday morning cartoon so now I'll have to wait for EQN for my MMO fix.

If your idea of a Sandbox is open FFA Full Loot PvP, full crafted world with minimal support for anything combat then your sandbox ideas are bad! Sandbox means open world, non-linear gaming PERIOD!

  CazNeerg

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"So, Lone Star, now you see that evil will always triumph, because good is dumb." Dark Helmet

1/29/14 1:10:45 PM#47

Originally posted by GeezerGamer

So what would you suggest we use as a replacement term for when companies get greedy and release titles, that in some way, should not have been released as they were?

I would suggest people act like adults and stop thinking they have a right to dictate how companies "should" monetize their products.  If you think what they are selling is worth the price, pay it.  If you don't, don't.  If enough people don't pay, they will change their approach.  If enough people do pay, they didn't need to change their approach.

Originally posted by evilastro

No one is begrudging them from making money.  What they are opposed to are blatant cash-grabs. All games are not cash grabs, making a quality product and asking for a reasonable remuneration for it is not considered a cash grab.

Making a crappy product, locking key features and offering a limited time pay-to-win pre-order prior to dropping the NDA for your product is generally considered a cash-grab however. 

You are just arguing semantics at this point.  All games have, as their primary purpose, making money.  All companies will adopt whatever strategy they believe will optimize revenue and profits.  If you don't like the trends in the market, don't blame the companies, they are just doing their fiscal duty.  Blame the customers whose behavior led the companies to believe this is the best way to do things.

Originally posted by evilastro

 Guessing you didn't visit these forums during or immediately after any of the beta weekends. It was full of people breaking the NDA to say how horrible the game was.  The staff have since cleaned these up and removed any with actual NDA breaks.

Which tells us nothing.  What is the primary potential consequence of violating an NDA?  You don't get invited to more beta sessions.  Who, therefore, is least likely to break the NDA?  People who enjoy the game and want to play more.  There could be ten "haters" for every fan, or ten fans for every hater, and we have no way of knowing, because almost all of the people who violate the NDA are from the hater camp.

Originally posted by Miblet

The term is used to imply no intention of long term retention or survival.  Get in, get rich, get out.

For some products this is par for the course and as you said not a big deal as long as the customers are generally aware.

Many play MMORPGs though for an extended and protracted experience with others...hence the implication of short term can be worrying.  Not to mention the implications to quality and lack of concern from the parent company the term implies.

It doesn't indicate that they think the game itself will be short term.  It only indicates they have recognized the new market reality that relying solely on box sales and subs is short term revenue device that needs to be abandoned at some point in a product's life cycle in order to maximize long term profitability.

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  greenreen

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1/29/14 1:11:15 PM#48
Originally posted by drivendawn
The info about preorder and what you get will have little affect on who plays and who doesn't. The people that have already made up their minds to play will and the folks that already made up their minds against playing now just have one more reason to say they won't. All IMO of course.

Aye, no reason to think they wouldn't buy the game because of the pre-order package.

Plenty of people already have pitted Wildstar against ESO so every Wildstar cheering fan is going to be happy to tick - not buying. Then there are the Kickstarter fans supporting their pet projects so they are against any game that isn't using that community funding.

If not buying doesn't come out highest I would be surprised. Everyone who adores free games won't want the game either. It's not exactly going to be the most popular game there ever was because it has doorways.

Some people consider the lore a doorway.

Some people consider the pricing model a doorway.

Some people consider another game a competing doorway.

Some people consider PVP a doorway.

Some people aren't going to open a door that doesn't appeal to them. Good thing we all have our own minds. If I listened to what the internet liked I'd be on Facebook or Pinterest instead of this site or posting duck-faced selfies of myself eating lunch musing about celebrities and talking about how much bling I have showering myself in currency on a bed on Instagram or I could be on Twitter trying to be snide but short.

Everyone who buys the game doesn't come here either. It's not exactly a friendly forum. You can get banned for almost anything no matter how carefully worded. This place has the most easily offended people I've encountered.

  Randallt3mp

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1/29/14 1:18:30 PM#49
Originally posted by drivendawn
The info about preorder and what you get will have little affect on who plays and who doesn't. The people that have already made up their minds to play will and the folks that already made up their minds against playing now just have one more reason to say they won't. All IMO of course.

Not true for me.  I was actually on the fence about buying the game, but with it releasing before anything else I wanna play in the next year or so I was just gonna go for it.  However, with this upsetting pre-order info on top of barely any info/gameplay due to the NDA, (even when the game is only 2 months away!),  Im gonna take this as a sign that things may not turn out so well for ESO.  I will now patiently wait to see what happens at release and couple weeks after before making a decision to buy or wait for it to go f2p/b2p months down the road.

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  alexhpy98721

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1/29/14 1:21:31 PM#50

I voted i may buy later but i will wait for a trial or something, as i did not get into the bets so far.

 

I want to see if they add Arena PvP, world pvp is fine but if its running around for 1 hour to meet a zerg and die... meh...

Also i`ll wait to see how the gameplay is, if its voice acted like SWTOR and the same quality, i will get it for the leveling experience alone.

 

But i need to see the game, either by playing it or seeing some live streams.

  Miblet

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1/29/14 1:23:27 PM#51
Originally posted by CazNeerg
It doesn't indicate that they think the game itself will be short term.  It only indicates they have recognized the new market reality that relying solely on box sales and subs is short term revenue device that needs to be abandoned at some point in a product's life cycle in order to maximize long term profitability.

I did say imply.  As in it implies to the consumer the company has no long term aim with the title.

As you said that they recognize such a point, and have decided the best time to begin the switch is before launch says what about their views of their own product?  What view does that cast for a consumer as opposed to someone looking for the most money, such practices hardly inspire belief they see the customer as anything more than walking wallets to be opened and emptied.

As I said perception can be just as damaging as reality.

  CazNeerg

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"So, Lone Star, now you see that evil will always triumph, because good is dumb." Dark Helmet

1/29/14 1:30:03 PM#52
Originally posted by Miblet

I did say imply.  As in it implies to the consumer the company has no long term aim with the title.

As you said that they recognize such a point, and have decided the best time to begin the switch is before launch says what about their views of their own product?  What view does that cast for a consumer as opposed to someone looking for the most money, such practices hardly inspire belief they see the customer as anything more than walking wallets to be opened and emptied.

As I said perception can be just as damaging as reality.

It doesn't imply a lack of long term aims, or a lack of belief in the quality of the product.  It implies only a recognition of the realities of the market.  Box sale + sub only is a highly efficient launch window strategy, but is just as inefficient in the long term.  I actually have more confidence in the product's future now that we have reason to believe they don't really have their heads in the proverbial sand about the role of subscriptions in games.  The transition to freemium tends to work better when it isn't cobbled together as an afterthought.

Peace is a lie, there is only passion.
Through passion, I gain strength.
Through strength, I gain power.
Through power, I gain victory.
Through victory, my chains are broken.
The Force shall free me.

  GeezerGamer

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1/29/14 1:33:52 PM#53
Originally posted by CazNeerg

Originally posted by GeezerGamer

So what would you suggest we use as a replacement term for when companies get greedy and release titles, that in some way, should not have been released as they were?

I would suggest people act like adults and stop thinking they have a right to dictate how companies "should" monetize their products.  If you think what they are selling is worth the price, pay it.  If you don't, don't.  If enough people don't pay, they will change their approach.  If enough people do pay, they didn't need to change their approach.

Originally posted by evilastro

No one is begrudging them from making money.  What they are opposed to are blatant cash-grabs. All games are not cash grabs, making a quality product and asking for a reasonable remuneration for it is not considered a cash grab.

Making a crappy product, locking key features and offering a limited time pay-to-win pre-order prior to dropping the NDA for your product is generally considered a cash-grab however. 

You are just arguing semantics at this point.  All games have, as their primary purpose, making money.  All companies will adopt whatever strategy they believe will optimize revenue and profits.  If you don't like the trends in the market, don't blame the companies, they are just doing their fiscal duty.  Blame the customers whose behavior led the companies to believe this is the best way to do things.

Originally posted by evilastro

 Guessing you didn't visit these forums during or immediately after any of the beta weekends. It was full of people breaking the NDA to say how horrible the game was.  The staff have since cleaned these up and removed any with actual NDA breaks.

Which tells us nothing.  What is the primary potential consequence of violating an NDA?  You don't get invited to more beta sessions.  Who, therefore, is least likely to break the NDA?  People who enjoy the game and want to play more.  There could be ten "haters" for every fan, or ten fans for every hater, and we have no way of knowing, because almost all of the people who violate the NDA are from the hater camp.

Originally posted by Miblet

The term is used to imply no intention of long term retention or survival.  Get in, get rich, get out.

For some products this is par for the course and as you said not a big deal as long as the customers are generally aware.

Many play MMORPGs though for an extended and protracted experience with others...hence the implication of short term can be worrying.  Not to mention the implications to quality and lack of concern from the parent company the term implies.

It doesn't indicate that they think the game itself will be short term.  It only indicates they have recognized the new market reality that relying solely on box sales and subs is short term revenue device that needs to be abandoned at some point in a product's life cycle in order to maximize long term profitability.

Your theory only holds true if the information consumers are using to make an "informed decision" is accurate. In cases where it's hidden or misleading, The company is trying to prevent such an informed decision in an attempt to get your money even though they know you are under the impression you are getting something else.

And yeah, it happens. It's called "Cash Grab"

 

 

It's the sad state of the genre. The next big title has as many threads discussing issues with it's business model than issues with the game itself.

  phjillee

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1/29/14 1:34:20 PM#54
Eh.. for reasons that I can't disclose I will wait this one out for a few months.
  Ghern

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1/29/14 1:34:53 PM#55

Once bitten, twice shy for me.

I was burned by SWTOR and GW2.

I am going to hold off until others play it, I get feedback and see some streams of actual post launch gameplay before investing.

  Jean-Luc_Picard

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There... are... four... lights!

 
OP  1/29/14 1:38:05 PM#56
Originally posted by colddog04
Originally posted by fistorm
Originally posted by Jean-Luc_Picard
See poll and title.

LOL CROOKED POLL.   I can tell you the results already,   90% I'm not going to buy the game and 10% buying collectors edition.

 

Wheres the I'm going to buy a STANDARD EDITION.    Your putting a small amount of people who are going to buy a collectors edition up against....     people who are not going to buy the game, without having a STANDARD edition in it (Which most people will buy a Standard Edtiton)  

 

 

I will be buying the collectors edtion. 

Question is in the title

 Pre-order PC Boxed imperial edition. - 12.8%

 Pre-order PC Boxed standard edition. - 2.1%

 Pre-order PC Digital imperial edition. - 19.1%

 Pre-order PC Digital standard edition. - 14.9%

 Pre-order Console imperial edition. - 2.1%

 Pre-order Console standard edition. - 2.1%

 I won't pre-order, but I may buy later. - 10.6%

 I will not buy this game at all. - 36.2%

Based on 47 votes.
 

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Anyway. Funny when someone says my poll is "crooked" (I will spare you the random capital letters), when it has 6 positive options, 1 neutral one and only one negative option. If my poll os "crooked", then it's biased in favor of the game.

Let me tell how I could have crooked my poll.

For instance, I could have changed the text of the imperial version to "I'm smarter than you lot, this game rocks, so I'm going to buy the imperial version because that's what any intelligent MMO player will do". Or I could have changed the text of the last option to "only a total moron would buy such a pile of dung". Then yes, it'd be "crooked".

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  CazNeerg

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1/29/14 1:40:03 PM#57
Originally posted by GeezerGamer

Your theory only holds true if the information consumers are using to make an "informed decision" is accurate. In cases where it's hidden or misleading, The company is trying to prevent such an informed decision in an attempt to get your money even though they know you are under the impression you are getting something else.

And yeah, it happens. It's called "Cash Grab" 

Where is the inaccurate information here?  They appear to be telling us what we are getting for the various investments, quite clearly.  They haven't given us all the specifics, but there is plenty of time before launch, people can easily either wait to pre-order, or pre-order now and cancel if they hear things they don't like.

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OP  1/29/14 1:41:39 PM#58
Originally posted by CazNeerg
Originally posted by GeezerGamer

Your theory only holds true if the information consumers are using to make an "informed decision" is accurate. In cases where it's hidden or misleading, The company is trying to prevent such an informed decision in an attempt to get your money even though they know you are under the impression you are getting something else.

And yeah, it happens. It's called "Cash Grab" 

Where is the inaccurate information here?  They appear to be telling us what we are getting for the various investments, quite clearly.

You may have missed, or conveniently ignore, the fact that they still haven't lifted the NDA, despite them already selling the game. That's definitely not clear at all.

 They haven't given us all the specifics, but there is plenty of time before launch, people can easily either wait to pre-order, or pre-order now and cancel if they hear things they don't like.

Granted, but considering how hard it was to get a refund in some previous games (not so long ago)... people are just cautious.

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  Adokas

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1/29/14 1:47:00 PM#59
Originally posted by Jean-Luc_Picard
Originally posted by CazNeerg
Originally posted by GeezerGamer

Your theory only holds true if the information consumers are using to make an "informed decision" is accurate. In cases where it's hidden or misleading, The company is trying to prevent such an informed decision in an attempt to get your money even though they know you are under the impression you are getting something else.

And yeah, it happens. It's called "Cash Grab" 

Where is the inaccurate information here?  They appear to be telling us what we are getting for the various investments, quite clearly.

You may have missed, or conveniently ignore, the fact that they still haven't lifted the NDA, despite them already selling the game. That's definitely not clear at all.

 They haven't given us all the specifics, but there is plenty of time before launch, people can easily either wait to pre-order, or pre-order now and cancel if they hear things they don't like.

Granted, but considering how hard it was to get a refund in some previous games (not so long ago)... people are just cautious.

I kinda agree that it's a bit early for them to sell it as pre-order now. On the other hand though, there are lots of people in the beta who know what they are getting or not getting, and can make an informed decision about purchasing or not based on that.

And people who don't know anything yet from having no information, well quite frankly no one is forcing them to purchase it now. There's still 2 months until release, during which time they will hopefully lift the NDA :-)

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1/29/14 1:49:53 PM#60
Originally posted by Jean-Luc_Picard

You may have missed, or conveniently ignore, the fact that they still haven't lifted the NDA, despite them already selling the game. That's definitely not clear at all.

 They haven't given us all the specifics, but there is plenty of time before launch, people can easily either wait to pre-order, or pre-order now and cancel if they hear things they don't like.

Granted, but considering how hard it was to get a refund in some previous games (not so long ago)... people are just cautious.

The NDA is only relevant in this discussion for people who haven't played the game.  And it doesn't result in inaccurate information, it only results in lack of information.  There will probably be an open beta at some point, people who haven't played should wait until then before making a final decision.

And your second point is why people should stick with Amazon and Best Buy, not mess around with ordering directly from Zenimax.

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Through passion, I gain strength.
Through strength, I gain power.
Through power, I gain victory.
Through victory, my chains are broken.
The Force shall free me.

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