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  Reham79

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OP  1/29/14 7:52:49 AM#21
Originally posted by Phry
Originally posted by Dewguy79
Originally posted by Nadia
Originally posted by Dewguy79

Back in December a website found that Sony has a 79%! chance of going bankrupt.

counter opinion

 

SONY bankrupt in 2 years? When a simple formula fools the gaming community

http://www.insiderp.com/sony-bankrupt-in-2-years.html

The company in recent years posted loss solely because of the exchange rate and the same was true for other tech giants like Panasonic, Hitachi, Toshiba and so on .

 

i took a look at Toshiba,  same site claims 75% chance of bankrupt

http://www.macroaxis.com/invest/ratio/TOSBF.PK--Probability_Of_Bankruptcy

No I agree this site may not be 100% accurate but when you start adding things up like closing games, years of financial struggles, and credit downgrade I think it's a valid concern. 

if only the sources quoted were reliable ones

The only thing clear is how little the OP actually understands about the whole subject, take microsoft for instance, how much of a loss did they take with surface, by reducing the price and selling them at a loss in order to gain capital, all well and good, but what happens when the stock finally runs out, and the surface 2 or whatever its called, still isn't selling.  You could even make an argument that Microsoft is in danger of going bankrupt

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I never said Sony will I said "if" and as for your comments about Microsoft and their tablets I have some reading for you to do.  Now if you have links to back up what you said please post them.  

 

http://www.independent.co.uk/life-style/gadgets-and-tech/microsoft-beats-market-expectations-9083175.html

  Renoaku

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1/29/14 7:53:14 AM#22

I honestly wouldn't care if sony went bankrupt I will tell you why.

EverQuest 2, is a waste of money likely to even keep open given the fact they can't upgrade to support multi-core pc's to work on newer technology get rid of it.

Planet Side 2, Massive Failure I like the concept, but you need to develop it better, new character models, customizations, less lag, Planet Side 1, for being outdated works a lot better than PS2, and it isn't my hardware that is the problem its your game design.

If Sony wants to do better they need to start thinking about hiring more serious developers, I know other game companies like Blizzard have their faults, I know CCP GM's are dumb, and I know Dark Fall Unholy Wars isn't a Triple A MMO game, but these 3 companies do better than Sony in terms of game development they know what they are doing although I personally Hate Blizzards WOW Expansions and failure to keep it how it originally was.

For example Planet Side 2 could have been much more, but instead its games like (APB Reloaded) that I want to see redeveloped and made popular. 

Imagine Right now, what it would be like if the (Occulus) Worked with (APB Reloaded) but a new developed game, on a new game engine made to feel more real, now think about (Star Citizen) (Eve Online) (Dark Fall Unholy Wars) These are the companies going in the right direction while all these (F2P) Games are going down the drain slowly loosing players or not having as good potential as they could.

Problem goes back to one thing, A lot of developers have no Idea what they are doing, I wouldn't mind seeing Sony loose a lot for these reasons and then other reasons related to the PS3 Issues and telling players they have no right to MOD their PS3, I don't give 2 cents about Sony anymore.

Will "Sony Fall" Likely not, It is likely other investors "Rich People" would come in and bail them out, but a lot of things would change for sure.

  Uhwop

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Posts: 1597

1/29/14 7:56:59 AM#23

Macroaxis isn't a determination of whether or not the company will actually go bankrupt.  It's a risk evaluation algorithm.   

 

Today, they're at 45%; not 79%.

 

OP is rather far off base. 

 

 

PS:  EQ2 isn't likely to keep open?  What?  Games 10 years old! 

 

 

  psiic

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Posts: 550

1/29/14 7:57:08 AM#24
Originally posted by Nadia
Originally posted by psiic

Understand Sony and SOE are two separate entities now.

Sony Corp and the privately held SOE LLC.

true

but Op had a valid point about SOE recently closing 4 mmos as part of financial restructuring

 

Yea I've been trying to convince my lawyer friend there is a 100 million lawsuit on the game shutdowns if he would just get his bosses to look into it. 

I really think a judge would uphold the precedent ruling that virtual property has the same rights and protections as physical property, and that fair access must be provided to said property in a reasonable manner.

Closing down the games does not constitute fair and reasonable access to our digital property.

 

 

  Draemos

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Posts: 1457

1/29/14 8:14:16 AM#25

That same report gave Nintendo a 22% chance at going bankrupt, and Nintendo has something like 10 billion in the bank.

In otherwords, Macroaxis is just another trash "financial analytics" company that spins trash data to try and con individuals into giving them money.

  Reham79

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Joined: 1/10/14
Posts: 463

 
OP  1/29/14 8:17:44 AM#26
Originally posted by Uhwop

Macroaxis isn't a determination of whether or not the company will actually go bankrupt.  It's a risk evaluation algorithm.   

 

Today, they're at 45%; not 79%.

 

OP is rather far off base. 

 

 

PS:  EQ2 isn't likely to keep open?  What?  Games 10 years old! 

 

 

 

Hey I never said it's was 100% accurate I understand what the website is and does.  I didn't find where it said 49% if that's the case post the link.  

 

Also I never said sony would it was a "if" based on all the information coming out recently, credit downgrade, closing games, the 79% or 49% if that's the new number, etc. 

  Nadia

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1/29/14 8:18:14 AM#27
Originally posted by Dewguy79

 as for your comments about Microsoft and their tablets I have some reading for you to do.  Now if you have links to back up what you said please post them.  

http://www.independent.co.uk/life-style/gadgets-and-tech/microsoft-beats-market-expectations-9083175.html

counter point

http://www.theregister.co.uk/2014/01/24/microsoft_q2_results_losing_the_consumer/

Even though Microsoft whistled through on Surface RT, things bode ill for its future.

Surface RT is now discontinued, having been replaced by the Surface 2 – also ARM-based and also running Windows RT, but a different product.

Further, it was heavy discounting that drove Surface RT sales. In the second half of 2013 Microsoft cut the price of Surface RT and began heavily discounting for schools.

US mega retailer BestBuy slashed Surface RT prices by 75 per cent in November, taking them below the psychologically and commercially important $200 barrier.

You can get a flavour of how much Microsoft was selling at a loss from the margins of the Surface group, that devices and consumer hardware unit, for the second quarter: they were down 46 per cent (to $411m) compared to a year ago.

Microsoft permitted the fire sale because it had to claw back money.

In the summer Microsoft wrote off nearly $1bn on Surfaces that had not sold.

 

The worry for Microsoft is two fold.

One, is that Surface RT’s successor, Surface 2, along with its companion Surface Pro 2 are all over priced. It’s low-priced Android tabs that are shipping in volume. The fact Surface RT only began moving in big numbers once it was cut by 75 per cent was telling. Microsoft, though, has not learned: Surface 2 – the successor to Surface RT – starts at $359 and it doesn’t even have apps. Even Apple is lower, with an iPad Mini starting at $299.

This creates a second problem: what does Microsoft fill the gap if/when Surface RT is sold out? And, further, will it have to discount the Surface 2 and Pro 2?

  Phry

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Joined: 7/01/04
Posts: 5031

1/29/14 8:18:43 AM#28
Originally posted by Dewguy79
Originally posted by Phry
Originally posted by Dewguy79
Originally posted by Nadia
Originally posted by Dewguy79

Back in December a website found that Sony has a 79%! chance of going bankrupt.

counter opinion

 

SONY bankrupt in 2 years? When a simple formula fools the gaming community

http://www.insiderp.com/sony-bankrupt-in-2-years.html

The company in recent years posted loss solely because of the exchange rate and the same was true for other tech giants like Panasonic, Hitachi, Toshiba and so on .

 

i took a look at Toshiba,  same site claims 75% chance of bankrupt

http://www.macroaxis.com/invest/ratio/TOSBF.PK--Probability_Of_Bankruptcy

No I agree this site may not be 100% accurate but when you start adding things up like closing games, years of financial struggles, and credit downgrade I think it's a valid concern. 

if only the sources quoted were reliable ones

The only thing clear is how little the OP actually understands about the whole subject, take microsoft for instance, how much of a loss did they take with surface, by reducing the price and selling them at a loss in order to gain capital, all well and good, but what happens when the stock finally runs out, and the surface 2 or whatever its called, still isn't selling.  You could even make an argument that Microsoft is in danger of going bankrupt

i hate to call people idiots, but, you know, sometimes its clearly earned

You know just because you don't agree with the links I posted and think you know what's actually going on doesn't give you the right to call others idiots.  I understand some people don't like to listen to facts and will make personal attacks when someone disagrees with them like you do.  

 

I never said Sony will I said "if" and as for your comments about Microsoft and their tablets I have some reading for you to do.  Now if you have links to back up what you said please post them.  

 

http://www.independent.co.uk/life-style/gadgets-and-tech/microsoft-beats-market-expectations-9083175.html

again, your just quoting opinions, not facts, you might just as well have linked a quote from one of the forums here. And their not even entirely in context anyway, there is always this danger when your quoting from things you don't entirely understand.

  Tygranir

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1/29/14 8:26:59 AM#29
Originally posted by psiic
Originally posted by Nadia
Originally posted by psiic

Understand Sony and SOE are two separate entities now.

Sony Corp and the privately held SOE LLC.

true

but Op had a valid point about SOE recently closing 4 mmos as part of financial restructuring

 

Yea I've been trying to convince my lawyer friend there is a 100 million lawsuit on the game shutdowns if he would just get his bosses to look into it. 

I really think a judge would uphold the precedent ruling that virtual property has the same rights and protections as physical property, and that fair access must be provided to said property in a reasonable manner.

Closing down the games does not constitute fair and reasonable access to our digital property.

 

 

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  Reham79

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OP  1/29/14 8:27:22 AM#30
Originally posted by Draemos

That same report gave Nintendo a 22% chance at going bankrupt, and Nintendo has something like 10 billion in the bank.

In otherwords, Macroaxis is just another trash "financial analytics" company that spins trash data to try and con individuals into giving them money.

Having money in the bank is not everything, that's why they have a 22% rating.  Things are not all roses right now with Nintendo.

 

http://m.techradar.com/news/gaming/consoles/nintendo-in-deep-trouble-as-wii-u-drags-its-financials-through-the-mud-1216214 

  Reham79

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OP  1/29/14 8:31:42 AM#31
Originally posted by Phry
Originally posted by Dewguy79
Originally posted by Phry
Originally posted by Dewguy79
Originally posted by Nadia
Originally posted by Dewguy79

Back in December a website found that Sony has a 79%! chance of going bankrupt.

counter opinion

 

SONY bankrupt in 2 years? When a simple formula fools the gaming community

http://www.insiderp.com/sony-bankrupt-in-2-years.html

The company in recent years posted loss solely because of the exchange rate and the same was true for other tech giants like Panasonic, Hitachi, Toshiba and so on .

 

i took a look at Toshiba,  same site claims 75% chance of bankrupt

http://www.macroaxis.com/invest/ratio/TOSBF.PK--Probability_Of_Bankruptcy

No I agree this site may not be 100% accurate but when you start adding things up like closing games, years of financial struggles, and credit downgrade I think it's a valid concern. 

if only the sources quoted were reliable ones

The only thing clear is how little the OP actually understands about the whole subject, take microsoft for instance, how much of a loss did they take with surface, by reducing the price and selling them at a loss in order to gain capital, all well and good, but what happens when the stock finally runs out, and the surface 2 or whatever its called, still isn't selling.  You could even make an argument that Microsoft is in danger of going bankrupt

i hate to call people idiots, but, you know, sometimes its clearly earned

You know just because you don't agree with the links I posted and think you know what's actually going on doesn't give you the right to call others idiots.  I understand some people don't like to listen to facts and will make personal attacks when someone disagrees with them like you do.  

 

I never said Sony will I said "if" and as for your comments about Microsoft and their tablets I have some reading for you to do.  Now if you have links to back up what you said please post them.  

 

http://www.independent.co.uk/life-style/gadgets-and-tech/microsoft-beats-market-expectations-9083175.html

again, your just quoting opinions, not facts, you might just as well have linked a quote from one of the forums here. And their not even entirely in context anyway, there is always this danger when your quoting from things you don't entirely understand.

Again nothing but personal attacks on links with facts you don't like.  What is not in it's context,  what have I posted that is my opinion?  What exactly don't I understand?  I understand when you don't like links that other post you resort to personal attacks, I understand that spouting off things and not providing links would be an opinion.  

  Uhwop

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1/29/14 8:34:31 AM#32
Originally posted by Dewguy79
Originally posted by Uhwop

Macroaxis isn't a determination of whether or not the company will actually go bankrupt.  It's a risk evaluation algorithm.   

 

Today, they're at 45%; not 79%.

 

OP is rather far off base. 

 

 

PS:  EQ2 isn't likely to keep open?  What?  Games 10 years old! 

 

 

 

Hey I never said it's was 100% accurate I understand what the website is and does.  I didn't find where it said 49% if that's the case post the link.  

 

Also I never said sony would it was a "if" based on all the information coming out recently, credit downgrade, closing games, the 79% or 49% if that's the new number, etc. 

Try going to the macroaxis website.  You can get there right from the article you linked. 

 

http://www.macroaxis.com/invest/ratio/SNE--Probability-Of-Bankruptcy

 

 

(forum is being a hassle with the copy/ past for some reason)

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

  Phry

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Joined: 7/01/04
Posts: 5031

1/29/14 8:36:03 AM#33
Originally posted by Dewguy79
Originally posted by Phry
Originally posted by Dewguy79
Originally posted by Phry
Originally posted by Dewguy79
Originally posted by Nadia
Originally posted by Dewguy79

Back in December a website found that Sony has a 79%! chance of going bankrupt.

counter opinion

 

SONY bankrupt in 2 years? When a simple formula fools the gaming community

http://www.insiderp.com/sony-bankrupt-in-2-years.html

The company in recent years posted loss solely because of the exchange rate and the same was true for other tech giants like Panasonic, Hitachi, Toshiba and so on .

 

i took a look at Toshiba,  same site claims 75% chance of bankrupt

http://www.macroaxis.com/invest/ratio/TOSBF.PK--Probability_Of_Bankruptcy

No I agree this site may not be 100% accurate but when you start adding things up like closing games, years of financial struggles, and credit downgrade I think it's a valid concern. 

if only the sources quoted were reliable ones

The only thing clear is how little the OP actually understands about the whole subject, take microsoft for instance, how much of a loss did they take with surface, by reducing the price and selling them at a loss in order to gain capital, all well and good, but what happens when the stock finally runs out, and the surface 2 or whatever its called, still isn't selling.  You could even make an argument that Microsoft is in danger of going bankrupt

i hate to call people idiots, but, you know, sometimes its clearly earned

You know just because you don't agree with the links I posted and think you know what's actually going on doesn't give you the right to call others idiots.  I understand some people don't like to listen to facts and will make personal attacks when someone disagrees with them like you do.  

 

I never said Sony will I said "if" and as for your comments about Microsoft and their tablets I have some reading for you to do.  Now if you have links to back up what you said please post them.  

 

http://www.independent.co.uk/life-style/gadgets-and-tech/microsoft-beats-market-expectations-9083175.html

again, your just quoting opinions, not facts, you might just as well have linked a quote from one of the forums here. And their not even entirely in context anyway, there is always this danger when your quoting from things you don't entirely understand.

Again nothing but personal attacks on links with facts you don't like.  What is not in it's context,  what have I posted that is my opinion?  What exactly don't I understand?  I understand when you don't like links that other post you resort to personal attacks, I understand that spouting off things and not providing links would be an opinion.  

continuing this argument is clearly pointless as you don't seem to be understanding what the argument is even about.

/facepalm.

  Uhwop

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1/29/14 8:38:37 AM#34
Originally posted by Dewguy79
Originally posted by Phry
Originally posted by Dewguy79
Originally posted by Phry
Originally posted by Dewguy79
Originally posted by Nadia
Originally posted by Dewguy79

Back in December a website found that Sony has a 79%! chance of going bankrupt.

counter opinion

 

SONY bankrupt in 2 years? When a simple formula fools the gaming community

http://www.insiderp.com/sony-bankrupt-in-2-years.html

The company in recent years posted loss solely because of the exchange rate and the same was true for other tech giants like Panasonic, Hitachi, Toshiba and so on .

 

i took a look at Toshiba,  same site claims 75% chance of bankrupt

http://www.macroaxis.com/invest/ratio/TOSBF.PK--Probability_Of_Bankruptcy

No I agree this site may not be 100% accurate but when you start adding things up like closing games, years of financial struggles, and credit downgrade I think it's a valid concern. 

if only the sources quoted were reliable ones

The only thing clear is how little the OP actually understands about the whole subject, take microsoft for instance, how much of a loss did they take with surface, by reducing the price and selling them at a loss in order to gain capital, all well and good, but what happens when the stock finally runs out, and the surface 2 or whatever its called, still isn't selling.  You could even make an argument that Microsoft is in danger of going bankrupt

i hate to call people idiots, but, you know, sometimes its clearly earned

You know just because you don't agree with the links I posted and think you know what's actually going on doesn't give you the right to call others idiots.  I understand some people don't like to listen to facts and will make personal attacks when someone disagrees with them like you do.  

 

I never said Sony will I said "if" and as for your comments about Microsoft and their tablets I have some reading for you to do.  Now if you have links to back up what you said please post them.  

 

http://www.independent.co.uk/life-style/gadgets-and-tech/microsoft-beats-market-expectations-9083175.html

again, your just quoting opinions, not facts, you might just as well have linked a quote from one of the forums here. And their not even entirely in context anyway, there is always this danger when your quoting from things you don't entirely understand.

Again nothing but personal attacks on links with facts you don't like.  What is not in it's context,  what have I posted that is my opinion?  What exactly don't I understand?  I understand when you don't like links that other post you resort to personal attacks, I understand that spouting off things and not providing links would be an opinion.  

Facts imply a truth, the website you linked didn't provide fact.  It provided a statistic used to determine the risk of investing in a company and stated it as it's chance of bankruptcy, which isn't correct. 

 

Macroaxis is not used to determine if a company will go bankrupt, it's a risk evaluation algorithm for investing.  It does not determine if a company is going to go bankrupt. 

 

The site you linked wasn't providing actual fact, it was using dramatic reporting to generate traffic. 

  Uhwop

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1/29/14 8:40:45 AM#35

 Macroaxis now reports 46%. 

It's almost like it has something to do with STOCK PRICES. 

  Reham79

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OP  1/29/14 8:43:02 AM#36
Originally posted by Phry
Originally posted by Dewguy79
Originally posted by Phry
Originally posted by Dewguy79
Originally posted by Phry
Originally posted by Dewguy79
Originally posted by Nadia
Originally posted by Dewguy79

Back in December a website found that Sony has a 79%! chance of going bankrupt.

counter opinion

 

SONY bankrupt in 2 years? When a simple formula fools the gaming community

http://www.insiderp.com/sony-bankrupt-in-2-years.html

The company in recent years posted loss solely because of the exchange rate and the same was true for other tech giants like Panasonic, Hitachi, Toshiba and so on .

 

i took a look at Toshiba,  same site claims 75% chance of bankrupt

http://www.macroaxis.com/invest/ratio/TOSBF.PK--Probability_Of_Bankruptcy

No I agree this site may not be 100% accurate but when you start adding things up like closing games, years of financial struggles, and credit downgrade I think it's a valid concern. 

if only the sources quoted were reliable ones

The only thing clear is how little the OP actually understands about the whole subject, take microsoft for instance, how much of a loss did they take with surface, by reducing the price and selling them at a loss in order to gain capital, all well and good, but what happens when the stock finally runs out, and the surface 2 or whatever its called, still isn't selling.  You could even make an argument that Microsoft is in danger of going bankrupt

i hate to call people idiots, but, you know, sometimes its clearly earned

You know just because you don't agree with the links I posted and think you know what's actually going on doesn't give you the right to call others idiots.  I understand some people don't like to listen to facts and will make personal attacks when someone disagrees with them like you do.  

 

I never said Sony will I said "if" and as for your comments about Microsoft and their tablets I have some reading for you to do.  Now if you have links to back up what you said please post them.  

 

http://www.independent.co.uk/life-style/gadgets-and-tech/microsoft-beats-market-expectations-9083175.html

again, your just quoting opinions, not facts, you might just as well have linked a quote from one of the forums here. And their not even entirely in context anyway, there is always this danger when your quoting from things you don't entirely understand.

Again nothing but personal attacks on links with facts you don't like.  What is not in it's context,  what have I posted that is my opinion?  What exactly don't I understand?  I understand when you don't like links that other post you resort to personal attacks, I understand that spouting off things and not providing links would be an opinion.  

continuing this argument is clearly pointless as you don't seem to be understanding what the argument is even about.

/facepalm.

It's about you not liking the links I posted (I understand the 79% is not fact) the other 5 I posted do have facts you don't like so all you've done is try and resort to childish name calling. 

  Hanthos

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PROUD P2P Elitist...

1/29/14 8:46:28 AM#37

Seeing EQN "sunsetted" due to bankruptcy, that would be funny...

  Reham79

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Posts: 463

 
OP  1/29/14 8:52:00 AM#38
Originally posted by Uhwop
Originally posted by Dewguy79
Originally posted by Uhwop

Macroaxis isn't a determination of whether or not the company will actually go bankrupt.  It's a risk evaluation algorithm.   

 

Today, they're at 45%; not 79%.

 

OP is rather far off base. 

 

 

PS:  EQ2 isn't likely to keep open?  What?  Games 10 years old! 

 

 

 

Hey I never said it's was 100% accurate I understand what the website is and does.  I didn't find where it said 49% if that's the case post the link.  

 

Also I never said sony would it was a "if" based on all the information coming out recently, credit downgrade, closing games, the 79% or 49% if that's the new number, etc. 

Try going to the macroaxis website.  You can get there right from the article you linked. 

 

http://www.macroaxis.com/invest/ratio/SNE--Probability-Of-Bankruptcy

 

 

(forum is being a hassle with the copy/ past for some reason)

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Hey thanks for brining this up.  I understand this site is not 100% accurate that's why I posted other information also that has come up recently.  

 

I never said it would I said "if" not sure why some here get all hostile and resort to name calling because they didn't like a few links.  

 

But thanks again for getting that number up to date.  

  Uhwop

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1/29/14 8:52:24 AM#39

SOE is a publisher, not just developer. 

One of the games they just shut down isn't there's, they simply published for it.  No one was playing the game, why would they keep it open. 

Vanguard was already on life support, they switched to F2P and still it wasn't making money, so they shut it down. 

SOE didn't do anything that NCsoft didn't do.  It's not an indication of financial problems, it means they're dropping non earners, and just like NCsoft, when they drop games that aren't earning it usually means developers get laid off as well. 

 

If they already have their development staff in place for EQ:N/L, then they don't need the ones who were working on VG. 

Smedley also stated they're working on an as yet unannounced game that is supposed to be something SWG vets would be interested in. 

 

I'm sorry OP, but you're doing the same thing the website you linked is doing, misconstruing facts. 

  Reham79

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OP  1/29/14 8:59:53 AM#40
Originally posted by Uhwop

SOE is a publisher, not just developer. 

One of the games they just shut down isn't there's, they simply published for it.  No one was playing the game, why would they keep it open. 

Vanguard was already on life support, they switched to F2P and still it wasn't making money, so they shut it down. 

SOE didn't do anything that NCsoft didn't do.  It's not an indication of financial problems, it means they're dropping non earners, and just like NCsoft, when they drop games that aren't earning it usually means developers get laid off as well. 

 

If they already have their development staff in place for EQ:N/L, then they don't need the ones who were working on VG. 

Smedley also stated they're working on an as yet unannounced game that is supposed to be something SWG vets would be interested in. 

 

I'm sorry OP, but you're doing the same thing the website you linked is doing, misconstruing facts. 

 

Yeah I'm not misconstruing anything, I posted more then one link and asked a simple question "if".  And you answered it with your opinion who says your opinions are not misconstruing? 
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