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  Reham79

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OP  1/29/14 6:58:45 AM#1

Back in December a website found that Sony has a 79%! chance of going bankrupt.  And now this week their credit rating got downgraded to "junk".  If this happens where will it lead EQN, EQ1, EQ2, PS4 and any future games they may be working on.  

 

http://gaminrealm.com/2013/12/30/sony-79-chance-bankrupt-2-years/

 

Currently the PS4 has sold 300,000 more units then Xbox one but it's also in 48 territories compared to Xboxs 13.  In their largest market the US the xbox outsold the PS4 in December.  Most financial analyst do not believe the PS4 will save Sony based on their 18$ profit margin per unit.  

http://www.ibtimes.com/xbox-one-vs-ps4-next-gen-consoles-may-be-close-sales-1547658

http://www.forbes.com/sites/davidthier/2014/01/16/xbox-one-outsells-ps4-in-us-for-holiday-season/

 

In my opinion competition is good I think both consoles will be a success and sell well as they currently are.  I will be picking up EQN when it launched but where can Sony go.  They have been struggling for years and things don't seem to be getting better but worse.  

 

 

 

 

  Sephros

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1/29/14 7:01:39 AM#2
PS4 will insta brick.

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  Horusra

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1/29/14 7:09:12 AM#3
Bankrupt does not close the doors of big companies. In somevwas it helps them with employment laws. They reorganize and cut jobs and projects not making profit or potential profit. If the ps4 market will bring more money in from other aspects besides box sales it stays and gets developed. Same with eqn.
  Reham79

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OP  1/29/14 7:14:27 AM#4
Originally posted by Horusra
Bankrupt does not close the doors of big companies. In somevwas it helps them with employment laws. They reorganize and cut jobs and projects not making profit or potential profit. If the ps4 market will bring more money in from other aspects besides box sales it stays and gets developed. Same with eqn.

I agree with this.  I think the larger issue is their credit rating downgrade to junk.  This will cause issues collecting funding to work on projects they keep.  They need to find away to get out of the "junk" standing.  

  kruler

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1/29/14 7:20:50 AM#5

They will declare a technical bankruptcy, gives them some clear air as entrenched company rules can be suspended, they do lay offs some musical chairs then refloat stocks after a spin blitz.

 

Its a good way to get out of dead weight contracts.

 

As a brand name and with "certain other brands" closely linked will be retained to continue brand name awareness etc etc.

 

In the business world the rules of having a healthy bank account do not apply...

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  Horusra

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1/29/14 7:26:42 AM#6
@dewguy79. Guess that depends on cash on hand in the project budget vs projected cash needed. But it could curb some development of costly features. But hey there is always kickstarter or pre.....like 1 year in advance no guarantee you get the gsme....order.
  oubers

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1/29/14 7:27:30 AM#7

sony......bankrupt?.....rly?.......not even replying to nonsence like that.......maybe i just did......anyways.....meh!

 

  Nadia

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1/29/14 7:30:41 AM#8
Originally posted by Dewguy79

Back in December a website found that Sony has a 79%! chance of going bankrupt.

counter opinion

 

SONY bankrupt in 2 years? When a simple formula fools the gaming community

http://www.insiderp.com/sony-bankrupt-in-2-years.html

The company in recent years posted loss solely because of the exchange rate and the same was true for other tech giants like Panasonic, Hitachi, Toshiba and so on .

 

i took a look at Toshiba,  same site claims 75% chance of bankrupt

http://www.macroaxis.com/invest/ratio/TOSBF.PK--Probability_Of_Bankruptcy

  SpottyGekko

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1/29/14 7:33:15 AM#9

Sony's gaming business is an insignificant part of the electronics giant. They may well sell off the IP and games in the SOE stable if it generates some needed cash for the parent company, but that point has not been reached yet.

Sony has cut their profit forecast, they're still making profit though.

  Phry

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1/29/14 7:35:06 AM#10
If the PS4 had been less of a success, i guess anything is possible. But that hasn't been the case, instead the PS4 is winning the console wars, with every likelihood that the gap between it and the XBone will be even greater once more titles are available. As for EQN, i don't think what happens to that particular title, will impact one way or the other, which is probably just as well
  Alber_gamer

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1/29/14 7:35:10 AM#11
Microsoft has more chances of going bankrupt than Sony, and in fact they are considering to stop XBox support if it keeps returning deficit as it's been doing lately. I wouldn't be worry about Sony, they're not going to go down anytime soon.

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  Reham79

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OP  1/29/14 7:37:03 AM#12
Originally posted by Nadia
Originally posted by Dewguy79

Back in December a website found that Sony has a 79%! chance of going bankrupt.

counter opinion

 

SONY bankrupt in 2 years? When a simple formula fools the gaming community

http://www.insiderp.com/sony-bankrupt-in-2-years.html

The company in recent years posted loss solely because of the exchange rate and the same was true for other tech giants like Panasonic, Hitachi, Toshiba and so on .

 

i took a look at Toshiba,  same site claims 75% chance of bankrupt

http://www.macroaxis.com/invest/ratio/TOSBF.PK--Probability_Of_Bankruptcy

No I agree this site may not be 100% accurate but when you start adding things up like closing games, years of financial struggles, and credit downgrade I think it's a valid concern. 

  Nadia

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1/29/14 7:38:05 AM#13
SONY and SOE are at financial risk - no denying that
  Kabaal

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1/29/14 7:41:44 AM#14
Originally posted by Alber_gamer
Microsoft has more chances of going bankrupt than Sony, and in fact they are considering to stop XBox support if it keeps returning deficit as it's been doing lately. I wouldn't be worry about Sony, they're not going to go down anytime soon.

The main Sony company (not Sony Entertainment) may well go down. Once they were market leaders and their name was associated with most audio and visual equipment, nowadays they are an afterthought in a market saturated with better quality brands. Things are not going well for them at all.

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  psiic

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1/29/14 7:42:33 AM#15

Understand Sony and SOE are two separate entities now.

 

Sony Corp and the privately held SOE LLC.

 

They are basically doing what every publicly traded corporation does eventually, they are stealing the company, money, and profits out from under the small investors.

 

They create a privately held LLC, and funnel off all the money from the parent corporation into the LLC, then the execs and mega investors walk away laughing while the middle class investors 401k and IRAs lose all their value.

 

Happens over and over and over these days, and the politicians don't care because they are owned by the powers that be.

 

Just went thru it with Covanta, the execs intentionally tanked the company so they could buy up the stock at a devalued rate, they plundered the pension plan to pay for it, then turned it into a privately held LLC that is making record profits while the small investors and employees are sitting there with stock that now has zero value.

Reason I pulled all my money out of the stock market and put it into Gold.

  Phry

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1/29/14 7:44:41 AM#16
Originally posted by Dewguy79
Originally posted by Nadia
Originally posted by Dewguy79

Back in December a website found that Sony has a 79%! chance of going bankrupt.

counter opinion

 

SONY bankrupt in 2 years? When a simple formula fools the gaming community

http://www.insiderp.com/sony-bankrupt-in-2-years.html

The company in recent years posted loss solely because of the exchange rate and the same was true for other tech giants like Panasonic, Hitachi, Toshiba and so on .

 

i took a look at Toshiba,  same site claims 75% chance of bankrupt

http://www.macroaxis.com/invest/ratio/TOSBF.PK--Probability_Of_Bankruptcy

No I agree this site may not be 100% accurate but when you start adding things up like closing games, years of financial struggles, and credit downgrade I think it's a valid concern. 

if only the sources quoted were reliable ones

The only thing clear is how little the OP actually understands about the whole subject, take microsoft for instance, how much of a loss did they take with surface, by reducing the price and selling them at a loss in order to gain capital, all well and good, but what happens when the stock finally runs out, and the surface 2 or whatever its called, still isn't selling.  You could even make an argument that Microsoft is in danger of going bankrupt

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  Azaron_Nightblade

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1/29/14 7:45:06 AM#17

I don't see it happening.

But IF it did... some other companies would simply buy up parts of it; some company would acquire the PS4 (maybe Valve, Logitech, or some other big tech firm) while another would assimilate their MMO division (possibly EA or one of the other giants out there).

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  Reham79

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OP  1/29/14 7:45:09 AM#18
Originally posted by Alber_gamer
Microsoft has more chances of going bankrupt than Sony, and in fact they are considering to stop XBox support if it keeps returning deficit as it's been doing lately. I wouldn't be worry about Sony, they're not going to go down anytime soon.

Usually when you state things as "facts" they are followed with links.  Xbox one will break even or have a small profit on each unit sold just like Sonys $18 margin.  According to the link I posted before Microsoft has a 1% chance unless you have a link to show different we know where to put your post.  So feel free to post some links to back up your opinions. .  Again I never said Sony will I said "if" so settle down I'm not attacking Sony.

 

http://www.forbes.com/sites/insertcoin/2013/09/06/at-500-microsoft-says-the-xbox-one-will-break-even-or-make-a-profit/

  Nadia

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1/29/14 7:47:03 AM#19
Originally posted by psiic

Understand Sony and SOE are two separate entities now.

Sony Corp and the privately held SOE LLC.

true

but Op had a valid point about SOE recently closing 4 mmos as part of financial restructuring

  Phry

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1/29/14 7:52:07 AM#20
Originally posted by psiic

Understand Sony and SOE are two separate entities now.

 

Sony Corp and the privately held SOE LLC.

 

They are basically doing what every publicly traded corporation does eventually, they are stealing the company, money, and profits out from under the small investors.

 

They create a privately held LLC, and funnel off all the money from the parent corporation into the LLC, then the execs and mega investors walk away laughing while the middle class investors 401k and IRAs lose all their value.

 

Happens over and over and over these days, and the politicians don't care because they are owned by the powers that be.

 

Just went thru it with Covanta, the execs intentionally tanked the company so they could buy up the stock at a devalued rate, they plundered the pension plan to pay for it, then turned it into a privately held LLC that is making record profits while the small investors and employees are sitting there with stock that now has zero value.

Reason I pulled all my money out of the stock market and put it into Gold.

I hope you don't lose your shirt then, thing about gold is, its a leveraged item, so unless you have the physical item yourself, rather than a 'certificate' that is 'redeemable' against a said amount of gold, then you might find that should the worst occur, you either have a possibly valuable paperweight, or an interesting piece of paper thats of undetermined value, possibly none.

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