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  Dragonantis

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Joined: 12/16/10
Posts: 973

1/30/14 1:20:07 PM#41
I watched the first couple of hours under cloak, such a fast escalation, I even had popcorn, but then I lost connection and was pretty :(
  RefMinor

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1/30/14 1:27:14 PM#42
Originally posted by DathanKnight
I don't play EVE Online.  All I can think when I see articles like this is:  this is the company working on World of Darkness?  It makes me concerned...

No need to be concerned, WoD is just not for you.

  Quirhid

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Correcting wrongs on the Internet...

1/30/14 1:41:06 PM#43
Originally posted by hfztt

SIgh, how many times does this have to be explained so even the really slow ones in the back gets it?

EVE is not P2W. Those who say it is does not grasp what P2W is. P2W is when there are game altering items that can ONLY be bought using real money. Nothing in eve qualifies for this one. (Not even PLEX as plex can be bought for ISK from other players.) So not P2W.

EVE does not have (legal) RMT. Those who say that does not grasp what RMT is. RMT is when one player from another player buys stuff for real money. The PLEX is an item bought from CCP  for real money and then traded to other players for ISK. So not RMT.

KTHXBYE

It is not "only" as you say it. Usually, P2W means that you can buy yourself an edge, or the same advantage is not obtainable by other, sensible means. Now - what constitutes an advantage and not a mere shortcut or what is sensible and what is not is a matter of perception.

And buying stuff with real money, whether it is from a player or from the company doesn't change the definition of RMT. It is still Real-Money Trading.

I skate to where the puck is going to be, not where it has been -Wayne Gretzky

  Evgireon

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Joined: 7/13/05
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3/04/14 1:07:56 AM#44
People lose money when they buy PLEX, not when stuff explodes.
  Bladestrom

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Joined: 4/04/11
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3/04/14 2:22:12 AM#45
Quir it is what it is, Eve is a grown up sandbox where adults play hard in a game in a game that has no economic constraints. In real life the rich get richer, and eve is perhaps the only successful sandbox/virtual world out there - can you see the correlation?

rpg/mmorg history: Dun Darach>Bloodwych>Bards Tale 1-3>Eye of the beholder > Might and Magic 2,3,5 > FFVII> Baldur's Gate 1, 2 > Planescape Torment >Morrowind > WOW > oblivion > LOTR > Guild Wars (1900hrs elementalist) Vanguard. > GW2(1000 elementalist), Wildstar

Now playing GW2, AOW 3, ESO, LOTR, Elite D

  Muke

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Joined: 1/04/07
Posts: 2004

3/04/14 2:31:02 AM#46
Originally posted by Evgireon
People lose money when they buy PLEX, not when stuff explodes.

Many of those ships represent real money, bougth with those PLEX you mentioned.

Add to that that in sov wars alliances lose space, they lose renters, which means less income and let's be honest:

a LOT -if not all- of those alliance leaderships skim from those moneypools to RMT or buy PLEX.

 

And yes, I have seen it happen, and I see it happen right now, as a director I see my CEO take ISK to buy PLEX and characters through the EVE forums, let those characters transfer to a new account and then sell off that account for real money on auction sites or through ingame contacts.

Another 'friend' of mine used to be a alliance director, when it folded he took all ISK from the wallets and he used it for his house mortgage.

 

EVE Economy is as real as it gets.

 

 

"going into arguments with idiots is a lost cause, it requires you to stoop down to their level and you can't win"

  Phry

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Joined: 7/01/04
Posts: 6185

3/04/14 2:42:06 AM#47
Originally posted by Quirhid
Originally posted by hfztt

SIgh, how many times does this have to be explained so even the really slow ones in the back gets it?

EVE is not P2W. Those who say it is does not grasp what P2W is. P2W is when there are game altering items that can ONLY be bought using real money. Nothing in eve qualifies for this one. (Not even PLEX as plex can be bought for ISK from other players.) So not P2W.

EVE does not have (legal) RMT. Those who say that does not grasp what RMT is. RMT is when one player from another player buys stuff for real money. The PLEX is an item bought from CCP  for real money and then traded to other players for ISK. So not RMT.

KTHXBYE

It is not "only" as you say it. Usually, P2W means that you can buy yourself an edge, or the same advantage is not obtainable by other, sensible means. Now - what constitutes an advantage and not a mere shortcut or what is sensible and what is not is a matter of perception.

And buying stuff with real money, whether it is from a player or from the company doesn't change the definition of RMT. It is still Real-Money Trading.

No, i think you failed to understand, Plex can be bought from CCP for cash, it can then be used to pay for 30 days play time, or it can be sold to another player for Isk so they can use it to pay for 30 days play time, nothing more. You cannot buy a win with it, nor can you buy an advantage with it, you can only buy 30 days of play time. That is not pay to win, that is pay to play.

  Muke

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Joined: 1/04/07
Posts: 2004

3/04/14 2:59:11 AM#48
Originally posted by Phry
Originally posted by Quirhid
Originally posted by hfztt

SIgh, how many times does this have to be explained so even the really slow ones in the back gets it?

EVE is not P2W. Those who say it is does not grasp what P2W is. P2W is when there are game altering items that can ONLY be bought using real money. Nothing in eve qualifies for this one. (Not even PLEX as plex can be bought for ISK from other players.) So not P2W.

EVE does not have (legal) RMT. Those who say that does not grasp what RMT is. RMT is when one player from another player buys stuff for real money. The PLEX is an item bought from CCP  for real money and then traded to other players for ISK. So not RMT.

KTHXBYE

It is not "only" as you say it. Usually, P2W means that you can buy yourself an edge, or the same advantage is not obtainable by other, sensible means. Now - what constitutes an advantage and not a mere shortcut or what is sensible and what is not is a matter of perception.

And buying stuff with real money, whether it is from a player or from the company doesn't change the definition of RMT. It is still Real-Money Trading.

No, i think you failed to understand, Plex can be bought from CCP for cash, it can then be used to pay for 30 days play time, or it can be sold to another player for Isk so they can use it to pay for 30 days play time, nothing more. You cannot buy a win with it, nor can you buy an advantage with it, you can only buy 30 days of play time. That is not pay to win, that is pay to play.

If certain shiptypes are the FOTM, and very expensive, and you have many players buying PLEX through CCP and selling them ingame for billions in order to buy those ships immediately, this is some sort of "P2W"...

"going into arguments with idiots is a lost cause, it requires you to stoop down to their level and you can't win"

  Agent_Joseph

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Joined: 11/11/06
Posts: 1067

3/04/14 3:03:17 AM#49

you can spend 1000$ monthly on plex ,fly bigest or  overpowered  t3 ships , but it cant help you if you are bad player,you ll be looser.

 

Eve is unique ,best & only real MMO game on market named   MMO.

only EVE is real MMO...but I am impressive with TSW

  Phry

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Joined: 7/01/04
Posts: 6185

3/04/14 3:26:27 AM#50
Originally posted by Muke
Originally posted by Phry
Originally posted by Quirhid
Originally posted by hfztt

SIgh, how many times does this have to be explained so even the really slow ones in the back gets it?

EVE is not P2W. Those who say it is does not grasp what P2W is. P2W is when there are game altering items that can ONLY be bought using real money. Nothing in eve qualifies for this one. (Not even PLEX as plex can be bought for ISK from other players.) So not P2W.

EVE does not have (legal) RMT. Those who say that does not grasp what RMT is. RMT is when one player from another player buys stuff for real money. The PLEX is an item bought from CCP  for real money and then traded to other players for ISK. So not RMT.

KTHXBYE

It is not "only" as you say it. Usually, P2W means that you can buy yourself an edge, or the same advantage is not obtainable by other, sensible means. Now - what constitutes an advantage and not a mere shortcut or what is sensible and what is not is a matter of perception.

And buying stuff with real money, whether it is from a player or from the company doesn't change the definition of RMT. It is still Real-Money Trading.

No, i think you failed to understand, Plex can be bought from CCP for cash, it can then be used to pay for 30 days play time, or it can be sold to another player for Isk so they can use it to pay for 30 days play time, nothing more. You cannot buy a win with it, nor can you buy an advantage with it, you can only buy 30 days of play time. That is not pay to win, that is pay to play.

If certain shiptypes are the FOTM, and very expensive, and you have many players buying PLEX through CCP and selling them ingame for billions in order to buy those ships immediately, this is some sort of "P2W"...

except certain shiptypes are not FOTM,  there is no ship that gives an edge or will somehow magically give you a 'win' and ships are not all that expensive, unless your going for capitols, and that's not as straight forward as you might think, buying titans can be a lengthy process after all. Most PvP is in cruiser sized or smaller ships, and their not near as valuable as you might think. Even the Tech II ones. in short, there is no P2W in Eve, unless of course your trying to bribe another player to take a fall which oddly enough, has happened *cough* alliance tournaments *cough*

There is no golden ammo, there is no golden ships. there is.. no pay to win. unlike in various F2P games where there most definitely is.

  pj2501

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Joined: 8/27/05
Posts: 12

3/04/14 4:01:25 AM#51
cant agree more with you! well said! there is no P2W in EVE guys...i play this game 8 years and when i read that im sure the guy who say EVE is p2w, his not even played EVE, not even trial
  Hazelle

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Joined: 1/20/11
Posts: 773

3/05/14 2:12:14 AM#52
Originally posted by Agent_Joseph

you can spend 1000$ monthly on plex ,fly bigest or  overpowered  t3 ships , but it cant help you if you are bad player,you ll be looser.

 

Eve is unique ,best & only real MMO game on market named   MMO.

It's not really even a about being a bad player.

More likely your fitting was weak against another ship or you were out numbered.

You can't be prepared for everything because there's no one ship that handles every situation that can arise; each ship has it's strengths and weaknesses and when you add that to the modules that people apply to their ships and you can quickly see how a good fit flown by a competent pilot can still quickly be destroyed.

This is also why even with billions of ISK eve can never be considered P2W.

  Phry

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Joined: 7/01/04
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3/05/14 3:21:15 AM#53
Originally posted by Hazelle
Originally posted by Agent_Joseph

you can spend 1000$ monthly on plex ,fly bigest or  overpowered  t3 ships , but it cant help you if you are bad player,you ll be looser.

 

Eve is unique ,best & only real MMO game on market named   MMO.

It's not really even a about being a bad player.

More likely your fitting was weak against another ship or you were out numbered.

You can't be prepared for everything because there's no one ship that handles every situation that can arise; each ship has it's strengths and weaknesses and when you add that to the modules that people apply to their ships and you can quickly see how a good fit flown by a competent pilot can still quickly be destroyed.

This is also why even with billions of ISK eve can never be considered P2W.

Once you also take into account that how much a ship costs in isk has nothing to do with how good it will be in combat, that in itself just highlights how wrong the whole P2W accusations are. Combat in Eve will always be determined by a mix of tactics and teamwork. Besides, if there is one thing that 'bigger' more 'expensive' ships have trouble dealing with, its the smaller cheaper ones, sig radius also affects how much damage is incurred after all, along with relative velocity. Which probably has a lot to do with why a couple of small ships, ie, frigates, can take on a cruiser most of the time and win, even though they cost a fraction of the amount to buy/fit. Basically any Billy No Mates with lots of isk will get pwned if they don't make a few friends, or else the only thing that isk will be useful for is paying the ransom on the hull of their shiny 'expensive' ship

  Agent_Joseph

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3/05/14 6:23:08 AM#54

http://themittani.com/features/alod-go-back-wow

very interesting story how much is EVE  P2W !

only EVE is real MMO...but I am impressive with TSW

  Hazelle

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3/06/14 2:17:50 AM#55
Originally posted by Agent_Joseph

http://themittani.com/features/alod-go-back-wow

very interesting story how much is EVE  P2W !

It's a good kill but the scamming of his second ship might be a violation if it's true.

He stated that he's only played the game for two months and not very often in those two months which means he's basically a new player and they exploited his ignorance of the game.

He also stated that he'd take real life actions against the people that ganked him so he committed his own violations.

I guess the pirates are the heroes in this story since everyone else involved isn't playing the game properly.

  Phry

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3/06/14 2:41:39 AM#56
Originally posted by Hazelle
Originally posted by Agent_Joseph

http://themittani.com/features/alod-go-back-wow

very interesting story how much is EVE  P2W !

It's a good kill but the scamming of his second ship might be a violation if it's true.

He stated that he's only played the game for two months and not very often in those two months which means he's basically a new player and they exploited his ignorance of the game.

He also stated that he'd take real life actions against the people that ganked him so he committed his own violations.

I guess the pirates are the heroes in this story since everyone else involved isn't playing the game properly.

Scamming through social engineering in Eve is, afaik, not illegal, its just another form of in game PVP, and a fool and their money as always, are easily parted, would have thought someone who was a lawyer had more intelligence than was displayed really. But have to say, how stupid was that fit anyway, officer mods cost a huge amount, but they don't make a ship 'unkillable' or give such a significant bonus either, a tech II fitted ship would have been cheaper, and have very similar characteristics, though have to say, the fit itself was stupid.. besides, for mission running a golem is far better

  socalsk8tr

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3/06/14 3:01:23 AM#57

obviously you never heard about that ripoff scheme some players pulled on investors years ago that got somewhere around 60 grand in investments for Eve this game is huge for scamming though its a niche game it kinda stays under the radar but people always like to boast that its the only current MMO thats growing but having seen reddit convo's about players talking about having something like 10 accounts for one uniqe IP I still doubt they have a 500k playerbase of unique IP's logging. 

One such scam article for reference 

 

http://gamerant.com/eve-online-scame-trillion-isk-johnj-99836/

  Hazelle

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Joined: 1/20/11
Posts: 773

3/06/14 4:21:33 AM#58
Originally posted by Phry
Originally posted by Hazelle
Originally posted by Agent_Joseph

http://themittani.com/features/alod-go-back-wow

very interesting story how much is EVE  P2W !

It's a good kill but the scamming of his second ship might be a violation if it's true.

He stated that he's only played the game for two months and not very often in those two months which means he's basically a new player and they exploited his ignorance of the game.

He also stated that he'd take real life actions against the people that ganked him so he committed his own violations.

I guess the pirates are the heroes in this story since everyone else involved isn't playing the game properly.

Scamming through social engineering in Eve is, afaik, not illegal, its just another form of in game PVP, and a fool and their money as always, are easily parted, would have thought someone who was a lawyer had more intelligence than was displayed really. But have to say, how stupid was that fit anyway, officer mods cost a huge amount, but they don't make a ship 'unkillable' or give such a significant bonus either, a tech II fitted ship would have been cheaper, and have very similar characteristics, though have to say, the fit itself was stupid.. besides, for mission running a golem is far better

I condone scamming in eve but not when it comes to a new player and in my opinion that guy is a new player with a start date of Jan 12.

Since he's been only playing for 2 months his fit actually makes sense since he wouldn't have the skills to use a typical fit for that ship (there's no way he'd be in a golem).

  Phry

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Joined: 7/01/04
Posts: 6185

3/06/14 4:53:39 AM#59
Originally posted by Hazelle
Originally posted by Phry
Originally posted by Hazelle
Originally posted by Agent_Joseph

http://themittani.com/features/alod-go-back-wow

very interesting story how much is EVE  P2W !

It's a good kill but the scamming of his second ship might be a violation if it's true.

He stated that he's only played the game for two months and not very often in those two months which means he's basically a new player and they exploited his ignorance of the game.

He also stated that he'd take real life actions against the people that ganked him so he committed his own violations.

I guess the pirates are the heroes in this story since everyone else involved isn't playing the game properly.

Scamming through social engineering in Eve is, afaik, not illegal, its just another form of in game PVP, and a fool and their money as always, are easily parted, would have thought someone who was a lawyer had more intelligence than was displayed really. But have to say, how stupid was that fit anyway, officer mods cost a huge amount, but they don't make a ship 'unkillable' or give such a significant bonus either, a tech II fitted ship would have been cheaper, and have very similar characteristics, though have to say, the fit itself was stupid.. besides, for mission running a golem is far better

I condone scamming in eve but not when it comes to a new player and in my opinion that guy is a new player with a start date of Jan 12.

Since he's been only playing for 2 months his fit actually makes sense since he wouldn't have the skills to use a typical fit for that ship (there's no way he'd be in a golem).

True there is no way he would be able to fly a golem, but a regular raven is easily capable of handling level 4's even if you limit yourself to tech I mods, the officer mods are just excessive, 'bling' the guy probably thought he was 'twinking' himself, something that happens in WoW a lot, and where doing that actually makes a huge amount of difference, in Eve its just painting a target on yourself because a high value KM is very desirable, not to mention the possibility of looting several officer mods from the wreck. But if you read the convo the guy had, both of them, the guy is a tool, does anyone really have any sympathy for him after reading those? i mean, i am not one to cheer on the goons, but in that case i think i'd probably buy them a round of drinks in the nearest pub

  Hazelle

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Joined: 1/20/11
Posts: 773

3/07/14 12:35:29 AM#60
Originally posted by Phry
Originally posted by Hazelle
Originally posted by Phry
Originally posted by Hazelle
Originally posted by Agent_Joseph

http://themittani.com/features/alod-go-back-wow

very interesting story how much is EVE  P2W !

It's a good kill but the scamming of his second ship might be a violation if it's true.

He stated that he's only played the game for two months and not very often in those two months which means he's basically a new player and they exploited his ignorance of the game.

He also stated that he'd take real life actions against the people that ganked him so he committed his own violations.

I guess the pirates are the heroes in this story since everyone else involved isn't playing the game properly.

Scamming through social engineering in Eve is, afaik, not illegal, its just another form of in game PVP, and a fool and their money as always, are easily parted, would have thought someone who was a lawyer had more intelligence than was displayed really. But have to say, how stupid was that fit anyway, officer mods cost a huge amount, but they don't make a ship 'unkillable' or give such a significant bonus either, a tech II fitted ship would have been cheaper, and have very similar characteristics, though have to say, the fit itself was stupid.. besides, for mission running a golem is far better

I condone scamming in eve but not when it comes to a new player and in my opinion that guy is a new player with a start date of Jan 12.

Since he's been only playing for 2 months his fit actually makes sense since he wouldn't have the skills to use a typical fit for that ship (there's no way he'd be in a golem).

True there is no way he would be able to fly a golem, but a regular raven is easily capable of handling level 4's even if you limit yourself to tech I mods, the officer mods are just excessive, 'bling' the guy probably thought he was 'twinking' himself, something that happens in WoW a lot, and where doing that actually makes a huge amount of difference, in Eve its just painting a target on yourself because a high value KM is very desirable, not to mention the possibility of looting several officer mods from the wreck. But if you read the convo the guy had, both of them, the guy is a tool, does anyone really have any sympathy for him after reading those? i mean, i am not one to cheer on the goons, but in that case i think i'd probably buy them a round of drinks in the nearest pub

He pretty much confirmed what your saying.  He's from WoW.  He bought PLEX.  He made an epic ship with purple and blue gear and then lost it all because he didn't bother to read the warning when he left the rookie system, or the new FAQ CCP just made, or the eve forum, or this forum,or any other eve related forum or blog in existence.

Like I said I'm a fan of the pirates, but I will cut the guy a little bit of slack and post that for a guy that just blew 1,200 dollars he took it well.  Hell, I've seen people rage quit over a mining barge gank while this dude fitting another ship and went back out there, or at least he tried to go back out there.

I dug up the CCP policy it was in their rookie system wiki page:

"Attempting to abuse a new player’s lack of knowledge of the game and its mechanic for your personal gain or simply for their harm is prohibited in these solar systems. This includes, but is not limited to; tricking new players into situations where you or others may open fire on them freely or scamming ISK or assets from them.

Pilots found to pursue activities against new players in other areas may be subject to further restrictions as deemed necessary by CCP Games Customer Support Team."

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