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  GeezerGamer

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Posts: 5696

1/28/14 9:44:24 AM#21
Originally posted by free2play

Setting aside the optic real world value of Titan kills, based on Plex prices, the time sink value of 60 titans is how I view these kinds of fish in a barrel battles that EVE is notorious for. Add in, CCP actually take pride in their ability to rope thousands (of accounts) in to these over the top zerg-fests knowing the nodes can't support it and the end result is PvP locks that leave you for all intent and purpose, AFK in the battle because you are not really there except for 1 in 200 frames of it, assuming you are not outright disconnected. Add in the ISBoxing that dominates these fights and there we NOT thousands in the field, just thousands of accounts being mitigated by maybe 200 people. Everyone stonewalls the truth when everyone knows the way things really work in EVE Online. It's a miracle this game is even around.

 

Using Hype of massive real world loss failed to do anything productive in the other RMT factory called Entropia Online. It will fail to do anything for this game as well.

The thing that becomes so ironic, is EVE players will fight tooth and nail to counter the notion that EVE is P2W. The only thing I can say to that is.......If that's so, then stop throwing real world monetary figures around when calculating the cost of PVP battles.  

  daemon

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From all the things I''ve lost I miss my mind the most.

1/28/14 10:15:08 AM#22
Originally posted by free2play

Setting aside the optic real world value of Titan kills, based on Plex prices, the time sink value of 60 titans is how I view these kinds of fish in a barrel battles that EVE is notorious for. Add in, CCP actually take pride in their ability to rope thousands (of accounts) in to these over the top zerg-fests knowing the nodes can't support it and the end result is PvP locks that leave you for all intent and purpose, AFK in the battle because you are not really there except for 1 in 200 frames of it, assuming you are not outright disconnected. Add in the ISBoxing that dominates these fights and there we NOT thousands in the field, just thousands of accounts being mitigated by maybe 200 people. Everyone stonewalls the truth when everyone knows the way things really work in EVE Online. It's a miracle this game is even around.

 

Using Hype of massive real world loss failed to do anything productive in the other RMT factory called Entropia Online. It will fail to do anything for this game as well.

well said.

  Beatnik59

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"Playing things I shouldn''t be playing since 1977."

1/28/14 10:34:06 AM#23
Originally posted by jpnz

 

Which other genre can you lose a cost of a small house in 12 hours? :)

 

Extending this thought, what are your stance on 'ownership of digitial goods'.

I can think of two: Second Life and Entropia Universe.

The kind of deals that went on...and still might be going on...in those two games makes EVE look like a flea market.  When virtual real-estate deals are made and unmade for hundreds of thousands of dollars, it makes you wonder why we even invest in REAL real estate anymore.

Well, if we thought the housing bubble was a tragedy, the "virtual housing" bubble is a whole new level of tragedy.  Because at least real housing is something still attached to necessity.  The value of virtual goods, however, is subject to fashion, the current build du jour, and the desire of the publisher to keep the game open long term.

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"Its sad when people use religion to feel superior, its even worse to see people using a video game to do it."
--Arcken

"...when it comes to pimping EVE I have little restraints."
--Hellmar, CEO of CCP.

"It's like they took a gun, put it to their nugget sack and pulled the trigger over and over again, each time telling us how great it was that they were shooting themselves in the balls."
--Exar_Kun on SWG's NGE

  Markusrind

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1/28/14 10:42:32 AM#24

...as if millions of Excel spreadsheets suddenly cried out in terror and were suddenly silenced...

  kitarad

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Posts: 1737

1/28/14 10:45:08 AM#25

This is why Bitcoin worries me. I still hide money under my mattress.

  drbaltazar

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Posts: 7989

1/28/14 10:53:05 AM#26

it was a lag fast ! even those with intel 2011 lagged  to irelevency .no skill was required just luck !

  killion81

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Joined: 8/31/06
Posts: 995

1/28/14 11:05:47 AM#27
Originally posted by GeezerGamer

Just a little sensationalism? Nobody lost $100K. Just because that's what it would cost to buy the ISK with real money,doesn't mean that's what it's worth. I am sure those ships were created through other means in the 1st place.

The only thing people lost is a lot of hobby time.

 

But the "awesome community" wouldn't feel so proud of their "accomplishments" if they didn't believe that a real person somewhere lost tons of real money.  I think it's as much for the players as for anything else.  EVE has always drawn the "best community" as stated earlier in this thread.

  User Deleted
1/28/14 11:08:50 AM#28
I don't play EVE Online.  All I can think when I see articles like this is:  this is the company working on World of Darkness?  It makes me concerned...
  Calfis

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Joined: 12/15/11
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1/28/14 2:33:54 PM#29
Originally posted by Quirhid

Many Eve players avoid fights just like this because they are so boring and take ages to resolve. And you're right the streams are not that interesting to watch.

I would go just for the killmail whoring, I'm sure many people did. Also reading the smug shatpoasting on out-of-game forums is hilarious, one of the 'winners' posting this image especially made me laugh, half of the fun in EVE PvP is rubbing it in afterwards.

  Loktofeit

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Joined: 1/13/10
Posts: 13668

Currently playing EVE, SMITE, ArcheAge, and Combat Arms

1/28/14 2:51:00 PM#30
Originally posted by GeezerGamer
Originally posted by free2play

Setting aside the optic real world value of Titan kills, based on Plex prices, the time sink value of 60 titans is how I view these kinds of fish in a barrel battles that EVE is notorious for. Add in, CCP actually take pride in their ability to rope thousands (of accounts) in to these over the top zerg-fests knowing the nodes can't support it and the end result is PvP locks that leave you for all intent and purpose, AFK in the battle because you are not really there except for 1 in 200 frames of it, assuming you are not outright disconnected. Add in the ISBoxing that dominates these fights and there we NOT thousands in the field, just thousands of accounts being mitigated by maybe 200 people. Everyone stonewalls the truth when everyone knows the way things really work in EVE Online. It's a miracle this game is even around.

Using Hype of massive real world loss failed to do anything productive in the other RMT factory called Entropia Online. It will fail to do anything for this game as well.

The thing that becomes so ironic, is EVE players will fight tooth and nail to counter the notion that EVE is P2W. The only thing I can say to that is.......If that's so, then stop throwing real world monetary figures around when calculating the cost of PVP battles.  

EVE players say it isn't P2W.

Media talks about EVE in dollars.

Therefore EVE players should stop saying it's not P2W until media stops the sensationalism?

 

You didn't think this one through. 

There isn't a "right" or "wrong" way to play, if you want to use a screwdriver to put nails into wood, have at it, simply don't complain when the guy next to you with the hammer is doing it much better and easier. - Allein

  Loktofeit

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Joined: 1/13/10
Posts: 13668

Currently playing EVE, SMITE, ArcheAge, and Combat Arms

1/28/14 2:52:44 PM#31
Originally posted by drbaltazar

it was a lag fast ! even those with intel 2011 lagged  to irelevency .no skill was required just luck !

they should the stonybrook !

There isn't a "right" or "wrong" way to play, if you want to use a screwdriver to put nails into wood, have at it, simply don't complain when the guy next to you with the hammer is doing it much better and easier. - Allein

  GeezerGamer

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Joined: 4/03/12
Posts: 5696

1/28/14 5:06:14 PM#32
Originally posted by Loktofeit
Originally posted by GeezerGamer
Originally posted by free2play

Setting aside the optic real world value of Titan kills, based on Plex prices, the time sink value of 60 titans is how I view these kinds of fish in a barrel battles that EVE is notorious for. Add in, CCP actually take pride in their ability to rope thousands (of accounts) in to these over the top zerg-fests knowing the nodes can't support it and the end result is PvP locks that leave you for all intent and purpose, AFK in the battle because you are not really there except for 1 in 200 frames of it, assuming you are not outright disconnected. Add in the ISBoxing that dominates these fights and there we NOT thousands in the field, just thousands of accounts being mitigated by maybe 200 people. Everyone stonewalls the truth when everyone knows the way things really work in EVE Online. It's a miracle this game is even around.

Using Hype of massive real world loss failed to do anything productive in the other RMT factory called Entropia Online. It will fail to do anything for this game as well.

The thing that becomes so ironic, is EVE players will fight tooth and nail to counter the notion that EVE is P2W. The only thing I can say to that is.......If that's so, then stop throwing real world monetary figures around when calculating the cost of PVP battles.  

EVE players say it isn't P2W.

Media talks about EVE in dollars.

Therefore EVE players should stop saying it's not P2W until media stops the sensationalism?

 

You didn't think this one through. 

LOL, Yeah, OK. There's nothing to "think through".  I'm pretty sure the media didn't post this thread here. Nor is this the 1st time I've seen threads like this here. So no, it's not just the media. 

 

  Hazelle

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Joined: 1/20/11
Posts: 773

1/28/14 8:24:54 PM#33
Originally posted by GeezerGamer
Originally posted by free2play

Setting aside the optic real world value of Titan kills, based on Plex prices, the time sink value of 60 titans is how I view these kinds of fish in a barrel battles that EVE is notorious for. Add in, CCP actually take pride in their ability to rope thousands (of accounts) in to these over the top zerg-fests knowing the nodes can't support it and the end result is PvP locks that leave you for all intent and purpose, AFK in the battle because you are not really there except for 1 in 200 frames of it, assuming you are not outright disconnected. Add in the ISBoxing that dominates these fights and there we NOT thousands in the field, just thousands of accounts being mitigated by maybe 200 people. Everyone stonewalls the truth when everyone knows the way things really work in EVE Online. It's a miracle this game is even around.

 

Using Hype of massive real world loss failed to do anything productive in the other RMT factory called Entropia Online. It will fail to do anything for this game as well.

The thing that becomes so ironic, is EVE players will fight tooth and nail to counter the notion that EVE is P2W. The only thing I can say to that is.......If that's so, then stop throwing real world monetary figures around when calculating the cost of PVP battles.  

Although they're all eve players they probably aren't the same people.

Two people can have different views on a topic and still be part of a larger group.

It's silly to point to the larger group and claim that it contradicts itself when infact it's different people with differing views within the group.

Also, "You didn't think this one through."

  GeezerGamer

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Joined: 4/03/12
Posts: 5696

1/28/14 8:48:06 PM#34
Originally posted by Hazelle
Originally posted by GeezerGamer
Originally posted by free2play

 

 

Although they're all eve players they probably aren't the same people.

Two people can have different views on a topic and still be part of a larger group.

It's silly to point to the larger group and claim that it contradicts itself when infact it's different people with differing views within the group.

Also, "You didn't think this one through."

LOL. That's Irony right there.

  Hazelle

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Joined: 1/20/11
Posts: 773

1/28/14 10:07:24 PM#35
Originally posted by GeezerGamer
Originally posted by Hazelle
Originally posted by GeezerGamer
Originally posted by free2play

 

 

Although they're all eve players they probably aren't the same people.

Two people can have different views on a topic and still be part of a larger group.

It's silly to point to the larger group and claim that it contradicts itself when infact it's different people with differing views within the group.

Also, "You didn't think this one through."

LOL. That's Irony right there.

Not really.

The top one is specific to the topic at hand and the other is generalized to the concept that I'm trying to explain to you.

It would be redundant but given the circumstances I think most people would forgive it.

  GeezerGamer

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Joined: 4/03/12
Posts: 5696

1/28/14 11:45:32 PM#36
Originally posted by Hazelle
Originally posted by GeezerGamer
Originally posted by Hazelle
Originally posted by GeezerGamer
Originally posted by free2play

 

 

Although they're all eve players they probably aren't the same people.

Two people can have different views on a topic and still be part of a larger group.

It's silly to point to the larger group and claim that it contradicts itself when infact it's different people with differing views within the group.

Also, "You didn't think this one through."

LOL. That's Irony right there.

Not really.

The top one is specific to the topic at hand and the other is generalized to the concept that I'm trying to explain to you.

It would be redundant but given the circumstances I think most people would forgive it.

But you still have to make broad assumptions to make the claims you made. That's why you said "probably" because you really don't know.

As if to say Eve players won't ever contradict themselves.

  Hazelle

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1/29/14 12:36:37 AM#37
Originally posted by GeezerGamer
Originally posted by Hazelle
Originally posted by GeezerGamer
Originally posted by Hazelle
Originally posted by GeezerGamer
Originally posted by free2play

 

 

Although they're all eve players they probably aren't the same people.

Two people can have different views on a topic and still be part of a larger group.

It's silly to point to the larger group and claim that it contradicts itself when infact it's different people with differing views within the group.

Also, "You didn't think this one through."

LOL. That's Irony right there.

Not really.

The top one is specific to the topic at hand and the other is generalized to the concept that I'm trying to explain to you.

It would be redundant but given the circumstances I think most people would forgive it.

But you still have to make broad assumptions to make the claims you made. That's why you said "probably" because you really don't know.

As if to say Eve players won't ever contradict themselves.

Eve is a game with a massive learning curve so I accept that it's possible for a person to not get a full understanding of the game but still voice an opinion on the topic.

I also accept that a person might place a dollar value on an eve item when speaking to a person that doesn't play eve to put it in a context that they'd understand.

In the context that you described initially a player that understands the game also understands why PLEX isn't pay to win and when speaking to other eve players would put an ISK value on the loss and not a dollar value since they'd further know that CCP owns everything related to the game - ISK, PLEX and all.

  uplink4242

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1/29/14 3:47:24 AM#38

The thing that becomes so ironic, is EVE players will fight tooth and nail to counter the notion that EVE is P2W. The only thing I can say to that is.......If that's so, then stop throwing real world monetary figures around when calculating the cost of PVP battles.  

It's simple, they use the dollar figures to create flush on the press.DO you think people that never heard about the game would get an idea how much 15 trillion ISK is worth? No

In reality nobody is dumping all of that money in the game at once. It's not p2w at all because the grand majority of those influential people are so space rich that don't spend a single cent in the game at all. Who the heck would spend 200$ a month on a game just to afford 10 or more accounts?

To get you an idea, the losing side of this battle lost about 26% of their supercap reserves. Have fun funding your own alliance by PLEXing $1m.

  Quirhid

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1/30/14 12:58:51 PM#39

Too true.

I skate to where the puck is going to be, not where it has been -Wayne Gretzky

  hfztt

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1/30/14 1:14:23 PM#40

SIgh, how many times does this have to be explained so even the really slow ones in the back gets it?

EVE is not P2W. Those who say it is does not grasp what P2W is. P2W is when there are game altering items that can ONLY be bought using real money. Nothing in eve qualifies for this one. (Not even PLEX as plex can be bought for ISK from other players.) So not P2W.

EVE does not have (legal) RMT. Those who say that does not grasp what RMT is. RMT is when one player from another player buys stuff for real money. The PLEX is an item bought from CCP  for real money and then traded to other players for ISK. So not RMT.

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