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  CazNeerg

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"So, Lone Star, now you see that evil will always triumph, because good is dumb." Dark Helmet

1/22/14 1:45:19 PM#21
Originally posted by Po_gg

There's no disagreement between us. It's obviously good for EA, that's why they're sticking to it. And it's good for a decent chunk of the remaining subs as well (I wouldn't be surprised if the major part of that cash-shop income / year happened to arrive from the subscribers). Until they're spending the monthly sub + shop purchases on top of that, EA is fine with the current state. 

McD's also make a truckload of money, still, I can call their products junk :) As a customer, (unless being a devoted fanboi) noone should really care about the profit margins of a company. Personaly, all I care about is the quality of the product, and the pricing of it.

As the owner of 2 TOR boxes I cancelled after the second month. I like the game (somewhat), but it doesn't worth 15/month. For me, I mean. Of course there are folks who are on a different opinion and stayed subbed, which I respect. (on a sidenote, there were about 1.5million others with my views, based on the number of cancelled subs)

Since the switch I looked back maybe 3-4 times, and always left after a week. With this model (even after the revisions), I still don't feel to give them any money - let alone subbing. Again, there are other opinions, of course (and on a sidenote again, I don't really see those 1.5 million were rushing back to the game either...). 

To put in a contrast, I'm not a huge Rift fan, but after it switched to f2p I checked back, and dropped in the $15 sub. Simply because of the afforementioned honey vs. vinegar aspect. Rift's model is fully free for anyone, with minor advantages to former players, and with huge bonuses for subscribers. So much better than TOR's model, I can't even compare them, except saying TOR's f2p is a bad joke :) (regardles of EA's income)

Perfectly fair opinions.  But as a practical matter, TOR's F2P is objectively "better" than Rift's no matter how many people share your opinions, because it is making more money.

Peace is a lie, there is only passion.
Through passion, I gain strength.
Through strength, I gain power.
Through power, I gain victory.
Through victory, my chains are broken.
The Force shall free me.

  BadOrb

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1/22/14 1:46:57 PM#22
Originally posted by Po_gg
Originally posted by CazNeerg

So you can think it's a bad joke all you want, but EA is laughing all the way to the bank.

There's no disagreement between us. It's obviously good for EA, that's why they're sticking to it. And it's good for a decent chunk of the remaining subs as well (I wouldn't be surprised if the major part of that cash-shop income / year happened to arrive from the subscribers). Until they're spending the monthly sub + shop purchases on top of that, EA is fine with the current state.

 

McD's also make a truckload of money, still, I can call their products junk :) As a customer, (unless being a devoted fanboi) noone should really care about the profit margins of a company. Personaly, all I care about is the quality of the product, and the pricing of it.

As the owner of 2 TOR boxes I cancelled after the second month. I like the game (somewhat), but it doesn't worth 15/month. For me, I mean. Of course there are folks who are on a different opinion and stayed subbed, which I respect. (on a sidenote, there were about 1.5million others with my views, based on the number of cancelled subs)

Since the switch I looked back maybe 3-4 times, and always left after a week. With this model (even after the revisions), I still don't feel to give them any money - let alone subbing. Again, there are other opinions, of course (and on a sidenote again, I don't really see those 1.5 million were rushing back to the game either...).

 

To put in a contrast, I'm not a huge Rift fan, but after it switched to f2p I checked back, and dropped in the $15 sub. Simply because of the afforementioned honey vs. vinegar aspect. Rift's model is fully free for anyone, with minor advantages to former players, and with huge bonuses for subscribers. So much better than TOR's model, I can't even compare them, except saying TOR's f2p is a bad joke :) (regardles of EA's income)

Well at least SWTOR doesn't sell P2W items in it's cash shop , so maybe you think the SWTOR F2P model is garbage but their cash shop is far superior to Rift's , for that reason alone.

Cheers,

BadOrb.

PSO 4 years , EQOA 4 months , PSU 7 years , SWTOR launch ongoing , PSO2 SEA launch ongoing , Destiny 360 launch ongoing.
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  Cypruska

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1/22/14 2:11:33 PM#23

I believe that every game should be for free. This game in particular makes you wanna punch the wall. Because every player that pays for the game gets every race, and I'm stuck with Human, Cyborg and Zabrak, the worst.

If SWTOR is gonna charge up to $ 10 for this things, then don't charge any money at all. It's useless.

Cypruska Xfire Miniprofile
  Ghern

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1/22/14 2:41:04 PM#24

The ardent SWTOR defenders that show up in every thread about this game make me laugh.

Somehow, this pile of a game at launch, that this article references "HAD" to make the switch to f2p very early in its lifespan because it was bombing so badly these ardent defenders act as if it is now some crown jewel to gaming.

What a joke.

  Torvaldr

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1/22/14 3:05:44 PM#25
The F2P setup is pretty abysmal, at least compared to my other games. But with a sub I don't feel hounded by the Cartel market. I'll probably drop the sub when I'm done leveling through the stories and quests. Hopefully the Preferred status won't be too bad. I'll buy unlocks if necessary after that.

Curse you AquaScum!

  Dreamo84

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1/22/14 3:06:35 PM#26
Really does feel too restrictive without subbing. At least it doesn't pop up a window asking you to sub every 15 minutes like EQ2 that gets annoying really quick.

  BadOrb

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1/22/14 3:23:19 PM#27
Originally posted by Torvaldr
The F2P setup is pretty abysmal, at least compared to my other games. But with a sub I don't feel hounded by the Cartel market. I'll probably drop the sub when I'm done leveling through the stories and quests. Hopefully the Preferred status won't be too bad. I'll buy unlocks if necessary after that.

Remember to work out and buy them before you drop as you will have a credit cap :)

Cheers, 

BadOrb.

 

PSO 4 years , EQOA 4 months , PSU 7 years , SWTOR launch ongoing , PSO2 SEA launch ongoing , Destiny 360 launch ongoing.
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  CazNeerg

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"So, Lone Star, now you see that evil will always triumph, because good is dumb." Dark Helmet

1/22/14 3:29:03 PM#28
Originally posted by Ghern

The ardent SWTOR defenders that show up in every thread about this game make me laugh.

Somehow, this pile of a game at launch, that this article references "HAD" to make the switch to f2p very early in its lifespan because it was bombing so badly these ardent defenders act as if it is now some crown jewel to gaming.

What a joke.

The article doesn't "reference" that the game had to make the switch, it claims it.  Without providing any supporting evidence.  Was it a financially smart move to make the switch?  Yes, clearly, when doing so is bringing in 139 million a year in cash shop revenue which obviously wouldn't exist if there were no cash shop.  But we don't have one shred of proof that there was ever a point when the game wasn't profitable, only indications that EA wanted more profit.

Peace is a lie, there is only passion.
Through passion, I gain strength.
Through strength, I gain power.
Through power, I gain victory.
Through victory, my chains are broken.
The Force shall free me.

  treysmooth

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1/22/14 3:35:37 PM#29
Originally posted by museandali

As a Premium account holder and long time subscriber to SWTOR, I'd like to weigh in here.

Yes, the restrictions look really bad on paper, but realistically, if you're looking to play the game for the long haul and actually do endgame content, the restrictions aren't so bad.

 

The cash shop in SWTOR, anytime you buy something off of it, it's delivered to you as an item in your character's inventory, even account unlocks like more inventory slots, race unlocks and the like.    This also means that players looking to make easy credits can buy several things and put them on the auction house.

 

Case in point.   I had max inventory slots, all the races unlocked and a month's saved up Operations access (Ops are SWTOR-speak for Raids) and, outside of the $10 I spent for the cartel expansion when I was a subber, and the sub, I never paid a thin dime for the game. all of my unlocks, I got via the auction house, and I was, as a free player, still actively raiding and doing(and benefitting from) endgame content.

There's enough daily quests in SWTOR at level cap to get you to credit cap twice over.  Ultimately, the only thing I missed being a free to play player was the fact that I didnt' have access to all the emotes (I was on an RP server)

 

The way you try to rationalize the terrible model away is amazing to me.  I was there in beta I was there at launch and the things that are withheld are a giant issue.  Your post sounds like a advert.  Sure the cash shop is always asking for money but you can always farm cash in game and buy it on the market.  Well what about pvp?  5 matches per week lol?  I play rift, now and you know what pushed in me in the direction of rift?  the f2p model of Swtor.  My buddy and I would have come back if they weren't so greedy but instead we started fresh with rift and now when I don't want to sub in rift I still have access to everything.  Rift is the way to do f2p and SWTOR is the example of what not to do at all cost, it really is that simple.

  CazNeerg

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"So, Lone Star, now you see that evil will always triumph, because good is dumb." Dark Helmet

1/22/14 3:43:48 PM#30
Originally posted by treysmooth

The way you try to rationalize the terrible model away is amazing to me.  I was there in beta I was there at launch and the things that are withheld are a giant issue.  Your post sounds like a advert.  Sure the cash shop is always asking for money but you can always farm cash in game and buy it on the market.  Well what about pvp?  5 matches per week lol?  I play rift, now and you know what pushed in me in the direction of rift?  the f2p model of Swtor.  My buddy and I would have come back if they weren't so greedy but instead we started fresh with rift and now when I don't want to sub in rift I still have access to everything.  Rift is the way to do f2p and SWTOR is the example of what not to do at all cost, it really is that simple.

If Rift is the right way to do F2P, and TOR is the absolute wrong way, then why is TOR number eight on the top ten list of F2P revenue generators for 2013, and Rift isn't on the list at all?

Peace is a lie, there is only passion.
Through passion, I gain strength.
Through strength, I gain power.
Through power, I gain victory.
Through victory, my chains are broken.
The Force shall free me.

  neobahamut20

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We can only show them the path, but they have to be the ones to take it.

1/22/14 3:47:34 PM#31
Originally posted by CazNeerg
Originally posted by treysmooth

The way you try to rationalize the terrible model away is amazing to me.  I was there in beta I was there at launch and the things that are withheld are a giant issue.  Your post sounds like a advert.  Sure the cash shop is always asking for money but you can always farm cash in game and buy it on the market.  Well what about pvp?  5 matches per week lol?  I play rift, now and you know what pushed in me in the direction of rift?  the f2p model of Swtor.  My buddy and I would have come back if they weren't so greedy but instead we started fresh with rift and now when I don't want to sub in rift I still have access to everything.  Rift is the way to do f2p and SWTOR is the example of what not to do at all cost, it really is that simple.

If Rift is the right way to do F2P, and TOR is the absolute wrong way, then why is TOR number eight on the top ten list of F2P revenue generators for 2013, and Rift isn't on the list at all?

Because that list is made by people who made guesses based of some numbers that may or may not be accurate.

Boycotting EA. Why? They suck, even moreso since 2008.

  CazNeerg

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"So, Lone Star, now you see that evil will always triumph, because good is dumb." Dark Helmet

1/22/14 3:53:49 PM#32

Originally posted by neobahamut20

Because that list is made by people who made guesses based of some numbers that may or may not be accurate.

People who make those guesses for a living, based on data provided by the companies, which companies then turn around and pay lots of money for the reports because they believe the data is useful.  Is it possible it isn't 100% accurate?  Sure, but there is no reason to believe it's not a hell of a lot closer than the "analysis" of forum dwelling neckbeards.

Originally posted by ohcomeonnow

Oh come on now...dont you know that revenue has nothing to do with the quality of the game.  EA/BIO is holding SW IP hostage and SW fan have nothing else to play so they are forced to play SWTOR...well thats the logic some of these haters have.  

"Logic," lol.  Most of them don't appear to be familiar with the concept.

Peace is a lie, there is only passion.
Through passion, I gain strength.
Through strength, I gain power.
Through power, I gain victory.
Through victory, my chains are broken.
The Force shall free me.

  Po_gg

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1/22/14 4:03:34 PM#33
Originally posted by ohcomeonnow
Originally posted by CazNeerg

If Rift is the right way to do F2P, and TOR is the absolute wrong way, then why is TOR number eight on the top ten list of F2P revenue generators for 2013, and Rift isn't on the list at all?

Oh come on now...dont you know that revenue has nothing to do with the quality of the game.   

:) revenue indeed has nothing to do with quality, if you check that list everyone's referring to, Crossfire is on the first place, which is a very lame CS clone (emphasis on very lame), but it's admittedly pay2win and cash-shop heavy. Ideal for kidz who just want to shoot each others into the face with the newest, shiniest gun from the store. I think we can agree upon that its 1st place on the list doesn't tell anything about quality :)

edit: seriously, from that list there's maybe 2 games I'd play willingly (TOR and TF2), plus maybe CS:O if I'd have a huge reason to (as in 6 digits at least :) ). The rest are crap. For me, I mean. Yep, wow as well :) That list is maybe great for a shareholder or an investor, but as a gamer I think it's more like a wall of shame. Here's the 1st placed one, which is obviously the best according to you since it accumulated the most money from christmas grenades and snowman skins on the gun :)

http://youtu.be/7bjS1LaggDQ

 

For the valid question of CazNeerg, I think there can be a few anwers (and nope, I don't consider myself a hater :) ).

Rift went f2p this summer, so its cash shop had only 6-7 months. Rift is still focusing onto the subscription and with the benefits of it, not massively milking the free players with forced purchases (by this obviously generating less income than TOR). Add to that, Rift's shop is "micro"transaction to the letter, so if a free player even get the urge to turn towards the shop (since s/he get the whole game for free), the shop is stuffed with items in the 20cent - 2 dollars price range -> with it, obviously also falling behind TOR in the "getting out the most of the cash-shop" competition.

(edit: a bit strange to write all this, I'm not even like Rift that much... where are the Rift folks when they're needed? :) )

  neobahamut20

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1/22/14 4:11:52 PM#34
Originally posted by CazNeerg
 
People who make those guesses for a living, based on data provided by the companies, which companies then turn around and pay lots of money for the reports because they believe the data is useful.  Is it possible it isn't 100% accurate?  Sure, but there is no reason to believe it's not a hell of a lot closer than the "analysis" of forum dwelling neckbeards.

They have the same value to the scientific mind :  None.

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  CazNeerg

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1/22/14 4:25:58 PM#35
Originally posted by neobahamut20

They have the same value to the scientific mind :  None.

We have two options; base our conclusions on the best data we have access to, or don't reach any conclusions at all.  The second option wouldn't be much fun, and would kill most of the threads on this forum.  As for the first option, until someone provides an actual data source superior to the one that includes the "top ten F2P of 2013" chart that has been floating around, with a rational explanation for why would should consider that data superior, it's the best we have to work with.

On the issue of TOR specifically, on the one hand we have the report claiming 139 million in cash shop revenue for 2013, and unverified and not very recent reports of subscriber numbers being around half a million.  On the other hand, we have a mix of people who come across as frothing at the mouth tinfoil hat wearers, blatant trolls, and semi-professional skeptics who express disbelief of pretty much everything.  Oh, and the armchair experts who make declarative statements about how professionally produced reports are incorrect, without providing any actual data to support their claims, instead relying on us to trust in their supposed (but completely unsubstantiated) "expertise."

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  Sinkael

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1/22/14 4:36:34 PM#36

I recently went back to check out SWTOR and lasted all of about 5 minutes before I hit the uninstall button.

It wasn’t because SWTOR is a bad game, to be honest I didn’t even get far enough back into it to do any game play.  I uninstalled because the game wanted to nickel and dime me for every little thing, want to hide your helm, pay, want to match armor color, pay, want to add costume item to your companion, pay.  I got so frustrated with all these little pay walls that I just decided it wasn’t worth my time to continue playing, I sure as hell wasn’t going to pay them.

I understand the desire to make money, believe me I want them to make money so the game keeps going but when you start charging for basic options (hide your helm) then it just looks greedy and yes I know they are out to make money, again I don’t have a problem with that.

For some people this won’t be a big deal, but for me it was a deal breaker.

On the flip side after logging into Rift the other day I felt like this was how F2P should be done, I have already spent about $75.00 in one month for additional character slots and other vanity items like mounts and armor skins.  The game itself could have run a little smoother, and the merc system for PvP really got on my nerves but that’s just me.

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  Sinkael

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1/22/14 4:42:24 PM#37
Originally posted by BadOrb
Originally posted by Po_gg
Originally posted by CazNeerg

So you can think it's a bad joke all you want, but EA is laughing all the way to the bank.

There's no disagreement between us. It's obviously good for EA, that's why they're sticking to it. And it's good for a decent chunk of the remaining subs as well (I wouldn't be surprised if the major part of that cash-shop income / year happened to arrive from the subscribers). Until they're spending the monthly sub + shop purchases on top of that, EA is fine with the current state.

 

McD's also make a truckload of money, still, I can call their products junk :) As a customer, (unless being a devoted fanboi) noone should really care about the profit margins of a company. Personaly, all I care about is the quality of the product, and the pricing of it.

As the owner of 2 TOR boxes I cancelled after the second month. I like the game (somewhat), but it doesn't worth 15/month. For me, I mean. Of course there are folks who are on a different opinion and stayed subbed, which I respect. (on a sidenote, there were about 1.5million others with my views, based on the number of cancelled subs)

Since the switch I looked back maybe 3-4 times, and always left after a week. With this model (even after the revisions), I still don't feel to give them any money - let alone subbing. Again, there are other opinions, of course (and on a sidenote again, I don't really see those 1.5 million were rushing back to the game either...).

 

To put in a contrast, I'm not a huge Rift fan, but after it switched to f2p I checked back, and dropped in the $15 sub. Simply because of the afforementioned honey vs. vinegar aspect. Rift's model is fully free for anyone, with minor advantages to former players, and with huge bonuses for subscribers. So much better than TOR's model, I can't even compare them, except saying TOR's f2p is a bad joke :) (regardles of EA's income)

Well at least SWTOR doesn't sell P2W items in it's cash shop , so maybe you think the SWTOR F2P model is garbage but their cash shop is far superior to Rift's , for that reason alone.

Cheers,

BadOrb.

 

What Pay to win items are for sale in the Rift shop, I haven't seen anything in there that would be considered pay to win.  All the gear you can buy can also be purchased with in-game currency, pay to win would be when there is an item you can only with real money that you can't buy with in-game currency.  Also if I remember correctly all the highest end gear is in-game currency only, the tier below can be purchased with real world money but not top tier.

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  Torvaldr

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1/22/14 5:05:00 PM#38
Originally posted by BadOrb
Originally posted by Torvaldr
The F2P setup is pretty abysmal, at least compared to my other games. But with a sub I don't feel hounded by the Cartel market. I'll probably drop the sub when I'm done leveling through the stories and quests. Hopefully the Preferred status won't be too bad. I'll buy unlocks if necessary after that.

Remember to work out and buy them before you drop as you will have a credit cap :)

Cheers, 

BadOrb.

Good advice. I bought a scalable (adtaptable) speeder from the GTM for just under 50K. I wanted one that looked cooler than what you could get on from the npc vendors and I wanted it adaptable to my pilot skill.

I've been buying inventory and storage with credits as well.

One thing I've noticed is that I can actually sell junk on the GTM and make credits. I harvested some lowbie mats and made a quick 30k. I sold cheap to make a quick buck and suddenly I was relatively rich for a newbie. It was fun.

It's not too hard to make decent credits in the game just buy questing, mob kills, and vendoring trash.

Plus if I ever feel too limited I'll just drop another $30 and get 60 days premium. I really like that option. You get unrestricted game play and 1050CC for the Cartel Market.

Curse you AquaScum!

  rodingo

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1/22/14 5:38:29 PM#39

If EA would give me equal value in cartel coins to what I paid for the box and a couple of months of the subscription I had back at launch before they went f2p, then I would gladly keep playing.  I feel like I gave them a decent amount of money to only have "sprint", a few extra toolbars, and some storage to show for it.  Yes they give a little more for the preffered status on the account but I think you get my point. 

Basically someone can be a f2p player, spend $5 or whatever to unlock something, along with the account upgrade for spending the $5 and they will automatically have more than I will if I start playing as a f2p, and all the others who actually bought the box and paid for a couple of months of sub fees.

I actually like the game, though the pvp gear kind of erks me.  Just the payment model kills it for me.  At least give me the "hide helmet" option, match armor color, and allow me to wear purples without having to pay even more money.

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  daltanious

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1/22/14 5:59:49 PM#40
For me along with Wow best thing gaming industry created. Played Aoc for short, now I'm back to Wow, then I think will return to all my alts in SWTOR. About "too restrictive" I guess idea of some people is to company spend milllions and millions so they could enjoy for free. Wow. I really hate "free" games, mainly because they are actually not at all free. They are very expensive, usually much more then any sub. Law should ban manipulating term "free". If game is F2P then it should be free all the way up and down without any conditionals.
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