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  DamonVile

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1/20/14 5:46:41 PM#41

You all know that chart just shows how much money f2p games earned right ? it's not a comparison to p2p in any way. If people want to argue that f2p games fail and don't earn money...well the chart shows they're wrong. If you want to show which game earns the most....you're not looking at the full picture with just that chart.

 

Who earns more money only shows what people pick more often.

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  CazNeerg

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1/20/14 5:46:58 PM#42
Originally posted by SuperNick

Loaded statistics because your company is in cahoots with a top F2P game? Never!

No company has ever skewered their statistics to make what they want to look better!

/rollseyes

Interesting theory.  Please, give us your link to a report summarizing 2013 that contradicts this one.

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  Gilllean

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1/20/14 5:49:58 PM#43

Crossfire   TOP?  957 mil? micro-transaction sales in 2013 ?     

Think about it how many mind less people buy trash from this cash shop. I don't believe numbers to be honest I know people are retarded but I never expected they can be so stupid.

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  Theodwulf

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1/20/14 5:50:07 PM#44
Does it make the game  a better  product? The one F2P I have played and payed for, Planetside 2 , I regret every penny and played so long ONLY because I was fool enough to give SOE my money and wanted to get something back. What has long term viability the scammy F2P model or a P2P with a quality product?
  Hellidol

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1/20/14 5:51:12 PM#45
Originally posted by CazNeerg
Originally posted by Hellidol
 

To suggest that one authors findings settles the debate over f2p vs p2p of which makes more then the other is  small minded. This would suggest through these finds that we the community of MMO gamers are dumb for supporting f2p when in return everyone would pay more then you would for a sub.

f2p is evil, I always  have said this and this is a example of how evil corps that use this model exploit the end game player. One stamen that i predict will be said is "not everyone is a end game gamer". This is true but, how many of us strive to be close to that end game as possible and why else play a game if you don't want to see end game content?

I love most of the kickstarters that have popped up, I have faith that the ones that succeed will face law suits from companies like EA crying about lose of revenue due to kickstarters success. Much like what Microsoft does they will  keep them in court and run them dry, thats where we come in as the consumer, we speak best with our money, stop buying crap from large corps and they lose all their power.

You just used the word evil to refer to people trying to make money.  Credibility, gone.

You seem very confused or just simply blind def and dumb to what is considered " trying to make money" and people trying to make a ton of money with cheap tricks. As far as evil part of it all just do a  good search for " greed and money" something tells me that  about 100 or so creditable websites will pop-up telling you how "evil" it is for people to be greedy and  what it brings. 

Back on topic, F2p is only can only be done if every thing you can make is on par with everything you can buy, swtor and neverwinter are by far the worst of the worst when it comes to the market and showing how evil they really can get. In swtor if  you are a F2p person you have to pay money for more then 1 casting bar if i remember right, wtf is that? In neverwinter you have to pay $5.00 for a health stone that last 5 or 10 charges while the ones you can buy with in game currency are about half as good. 

I personally will stop supporting the evil Corps. and focus my time, effort and money toward kickstarters.

  VengeSunsoar

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1/20/14 5:52:49 PM#46
Playing a game that charges me a sub and still has all the same issues of a cash shop and then whining that a game that lets me play for free but has those same cash shop issues strikes me as irrational

Quit worrying about other players in a game and just play.

  lizardbones

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1/20/14 5:53:46 PM#47
Originally posted by DamonVile

You all know that chart just shows how much money f2p games earned right ? it's not a comparison to p2p in any way. If people want to argue that f2p games fail and don't earn money...well the chart shows they're wrong. If you want to show which game earns the most....you're not looking at the full picture with just that chart.

 

Who earns more money only shows what people pick more often.

It's a comparison of digitally distributed games.  F2P vs Subscriptions is actually in there.

 

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  CazNeerg

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"So, Lone Star, now you see that evil will always triumph, because good is dumb." Dark Helmet

1/20/14 5:54:27 PM#48
Originally posted by DamonVile

You all know that chart just shows how much money f2p games earned right ? it's not a comparison to p2p in any way. If people want to argue that f2p games fail and don't earn money...well the chart shows they're wrong. If you want to show which game earns the most....you're not looking at the full picture with just that chart.

Who earns more money only shows what people pick more often.

It doesn't give a list of top ten sub games, but if you go further down the page, it does compare the total revenue of sub vs. cash shops.  Cash shop ("free") was almost three times as much as sub. (For all games combined, obviously.)  With a total number of subscribers, for all games combined, of 5.3 million.

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  Apokanier

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1/20/14 5:56:44 PM#49
Originally posted by nariusseldon

reposting the link from another topic:

http://www.superdataresearch.com/blog/us-digital-games-market/

But the point is:

In the top 10 money making games (and most listed here on MMORPG.com), all but ONE is sub-only (WOW).

And wow is only #7, and making less than half compared to LoL.

This pretty much shows that to make money, F2P beats P2P, and often you don't even need a virtual world.

 

That WoW income is only from their microtransaction not the subs included  :)

  VengeSunsoar

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1/20/14 5:57:27 PM#50
People who believe a payment model for an optional game that people play in their spare time for entertainment or the company doing it are evil are definitely irrational with no real concept of what evil actually is.

Quit worrying about other players in a game and just play.

  drbaltazar

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1/20/14 5:58:07 PM#51
ROFL! Comparing lol for making money is like comparing wow for making money but both have one issue ! They aren't the rule . true all strive and want to be like those cash cow . but the truth is not many do .hell blizzard it self is having a hard time competing with wow
  CazNeerg

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"So, Lone Star, now you see that evil will always triumph, because good is dumb." Dark Helmet

1/20/14 5:59:17 PM#52
Originally posted by Hellidol
 

You seem very confused or just simply blind def and dumb to what is considered " trying to make money" and people trying to make a ton of money with cheap tricks. As far as evil part of it all just do a  good search for " greed and money" something tells me that  about 100 or so creditable websites will pop-up telling you how "evil" it is for people to be greedy and  what it brings. 

...

I personally will stop supporting the evil Corps. and focus my time, effort and money toward kickstarters.

Blah blah, blah blah blah.  Don't use words like evil in a discussion if you want anyone rational to take you seriously.

That said, I love kickstarter.  I think it would be nice if all games, including those from major companies, went the Kickstarter route.  That way the only games that would ever get produced (assuming the project managers accurately calculated how much the kickstarter needed to raise) would be ones that were already profitable before the first day of real work had even been done.

Peace is a lie, there is only passion.
Through passion, I gain strength.
Through strength, I gain power.
Through power, I gain victory.
Through victory, my chains are broken.
The Force shall free me.

  DamonVile

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1/20/14 6:02:38 PM#53
Originally posted by CazNeerg
Originally posted by DamonVile

You all know that chart just shows how much money f2p games earned right ? it's not a comparison to p2p in any way. If people want to argue that f2p games fail and don't earn money...well the chart shows they're wrong. If you want to show which game earns the most....you're not looking at the full picture with just that chart.

Who earns more money only shows what people pick more often.

It doesn't give a list of top ten sub games, but if you go further down the page, it does compare the total revenue of sub vs. cash shops.  Cash shop ("free") was almost three times as much as sub. (For all games combined, obviously.)  With a total number of subscribers, for all games combined, of 5.3 million.

which doesn't mean anything close to what people are trying to make it mean. The OP might as well have said f2p makes more money than your mom.

For the record I find peoples attempts to make one out to be better than the other totally stupid. Everyone doing it does it because they want their choice to mean something about them. It has nothing at all to do with the dumb ass reasons they actually type out. What I like is good so I am a real mmo gamer. What you pick is bad so you must be stupid.and your games sucks...pretty much sums up 90% of the posts on this topic.

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  CazNeerg

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1/20/14 6:08:48 PM#54
Originally posted by DamonVile
 

which doesn't mean anything close to what people are trying to make it mean. The OP might as well have said f2p makes more money than your mom.

For the record I find peoples attempts to make one out to be better than the other totally stupid. Everyone doing it does it because they want their choice to mean something about them. It has nothing at all to do with the dumb ass reasons they actually type out. What I like is good so I am a real mmo gamer. What you pick is bad so you must be stupid.and your games sucks...pretty much sums up 90% of the posts on this topic.

There are two different issues here; having a personal preference for a given revenue model, and the practical discussion of which model is more successful.  Having a personal preference for a revenue model is, as far as I can tell, stupid.  If you enjoy a game, that should be all that matters, not how you pay for it, and if you don't enjoy a game, you shouldn't be paying in any form.

That said, if what we are looking at is the practicalities of what makes more sense for game developers/publishers to do in order to have long, financially healthy lives for their products, it seems pretty clear that relying *solely* on subscriptions for your revenue is a model that is going the way of the dodo.  It's not about whether that is "good" or "bad," it is simply reality.  Even WoW has a limited hybrid model, and if they hadn't added the cash shop, they would have left more than 200 million on the table last year alone.  It's kind of a no brainer.

Peace is a lie, there is only passion.
Through passion, I gain strength.
Through strength, I gain power.
Through power, I gain victory.
Through victory, my chains are broken.
The Force shall free me.

  User Deleted
1/20/14 6:09:16 PM#55
All that chart tell us is that a sub game is still the most profitable I.E wow or SWTOR.
  seafirex

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1/20/14 6:12:56 PM#56

P2P makes less actually , if you take time to read it says they took the numbers from the cash shop portion ( how much they sold from it ) . Of course F2P games they sell more in there cash shop, again they don't make more money they only sell more because they have nothing else to sell other then items in there shop. no where it will say they make more cash monthly or by year for the game itself only in there cash shop they do.

But when it comes to subs, sub game makes way more per month and yearly in total revenue and if they have a cash shop for mounts things like that like WoW has then they do more cash even there. What others are trying to say to you OP is that wow make millions only in sub and that is without counting the sub part of the sells per month. in total per year the amount blow off the F2P games revenue definitively .

  DamonVile

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1/20/14 6:21:23 PM#57
Originally posted by CazNeerg

 

 

That said, if what we are looking at is the practicalities of what makes more sense for game developers/publishers to do in order to have long, financially healthy lives for their products, it seems pretty clear that relying *solely* on subscriptions for your revenue is a model that is going the way of the dodo.  It's not about whether that is "good" or "bad," it is simply reality.  Even WoW has a limited hybrid model, and if they hadn't added the cash shop, they would have left more than 200 million on the table last year alone.  It's kind of a no brainer.

I agree with the part I cut out.

This data shows how much the games earned. It doesn't predict how much a game could earn if it was designed for the right payment model.

Wow is the most successful mmo so sure p2p can be successful. Obviously just trying to copy it doesn't work out so well. f2p obviously makes money. But what works well in a f2p game and what works well in a p2p game seems more like trying to compare apples and oranges despite how hard people try and show which is better.

A sub works better in a virtual world that appeals to people who want to live in it..full or part time. EQ, WOW, VG...if it wasn't a mess are example of games that where for subs

f2p works better in a game that you play and then  log out. ..just about every mmo in the last 5 years worked better as a f2p.

That is what is so stupid about trying to make these numbers say anything other than how much the game earned. They don't take into account the type of world the game created or the type of player they appealed to. All they are is just numbers that show $$ and that they can make it. So they don't really show that subs can't work anymore. They show that the games the devs are making don't work with a sub.

People get so hung up in trying to make what they like seem better than what someone else likes they lose focus on what's important...and that's supporting what you want not bitching about what you don't.

 

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  Boreil

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1/20/14 6:28:13 PM#58
Originally posted by lizardbones
Originally posted by Myria

So basically F2P makes more money than P2P as long as you ignore pesky little things like income from subs?

 

Definitely useful information.

This would be the relevent information for you to see.  This is the U.S. digital games market.

 

 

F2P and DLC make more money than subscriptions for digital games.  Even if all of WoW's remaining subscribers bought boxes, that doesn't make up the difference between Subscriptions and F2P revenues.

 

So so wrong, not even worth going into how much so.

  CazNeerg

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1/20/14 6:31:43 PM#59
Originally posted by seafirex

P2P makes less actually , if you take time to read it says they took the numbers from the cash shop portion ( how much they sold from it ) . Of course F2P games they sell more in there cash shop, again they don't make more money they only sell more because they have nothing else to sell other then items in there shop. no where it will say they make more cash monthly or by year for the game itself only in there cash shop they do.

But when it comes to subs, sub game makes way more per month and yearly in total revenue and if they have a cash shop for mounts things like that like WoW has then they do more cash even there. What others are trying to say to you OP is that wow make millions only in sub and that is without counting the sub part of the sells per month. in total per year the amount blow off the F2P games revenue definitively .

Read the whole report.  It doesn't say which portion is WoW subscribers, but it does say the total number of subscribers, for all sub games, was only 5.3 million in 2013.  EvE and TOR supposedly have around half a million subs each, leaving 4.3 million.  WoW would have to have almost all of those subs just to tie the number one game in that list when adding together their sub and F2P revenue.

Originally posted by DamonVile

 

This data shows how much the games earned. It doesn't predict how much a game could earn if it was designed for the right payment model.

Wow is the most successful mmo so sure p2p can be successful. Obviously just trying to copy it doesn't work out so well. f2p obviously makes money. But what works well in a f2p game and what works well in a p2p game seems more like trying to compare apples and oranges despite how hard people try and show which is better.

A sub works better in a virtual world that appeals to people who want to live in it..full or part time. EQ, WOW, VG...if it wasn't a mess are example of games that where for subs

f2p works better in a game that you play and then  log out. ..just about every mmo in the last 5 years worked better as a f2p.

That is what is so stupid about trying to make these numbers say anything other than how much the game earned. They don't take into account the type of world the game created or the type of player they appealed to. All they are is just numbers that show $$ and that they can make it. So they don't really show that subs can't work anymore. They show that the games the devs are making don't work with a sub.

People get so hung up in trying to make what they like seem better than what someone else likes they lose focus on what's important...and that's supporting what you want not bitching about what you don't. 

I think all WoW proves is that a game launched in 2004 with almost no competition, had a peak of 12 million subscribers, and has had a decade to build customer loyalty can still get a fair number to sub.  It proves absolute nothing about what a brand new game, with a brand new game's amount of content, can manage to accomplish.  Whenever I play a game that has a sub option, I sub.  For me that is categorically the better experience as compared to free options.  But it still appears to be the reality that the market has undergone a fundamental change, and the time when any substantial number of people were willing to sub long-term to new games seems to be over.

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1/20/14 6:33:48 PM#60
Originally posted by DamonVile
Originally posted by CazNeerg

 

 

That said, if what we are looking at is the practicalities of what makes more sense for game developers/publishers to do in order to have long, financially healthy lives for their products, it seems pretty clear that relying *solely* on subscriptions for your revenue is a model that is going the way of the dodo.  It's not about whether that is "good" or "bad," it is simply reality.  Even WoW has a limited hybrid model, and if they hadn't added the cash shop, they would have left more than 200 million on the table last year alone.  It's kind of a no brainer.

I agree with the part I cut out.

This data shows how much the games earned. It doesn't predict how much a game could earn if it was designed for the right payment model.

Wow is the most successful mmo so sure p2p can be successful. Obviously just trying to copy it doesn't work out so well. f2p obviously makes money. But what works well in a f2p game and what works well in a p2p game seems more like trying to compare apples and oranges despite how hard people try and show which is better.

A sub works better in a virtual world that appeals to people who want to live in it..full or part time. EQ, WOW, VG...if it wasn't a mess are example of games that where for subs

f2p works better in a game that you play and then  log out. ..just about every mmo in the last 5 years worked better as a f2p.

That is what is so stupid about trying to make these numbers say anything other than how much the game earned. They don't take into account the type of world the game created or the type of player they appealed to. All they are is just numbers that show $$ and that they can make it. So they don't really show that subs can't work anymore. They show that the games the devs are making don't work with a sub.

People get so hung up in trying to make what they like seem better than what someone else likes they lose focus on what's important...and that's supporting what you want not bitching about what you don't.

 

I agree with different games having different payments that work "best" for those games. I do think that you are missing a distinction thou. There are P2P, F2P, and Hybrid games.  Hybrid games are where f2p and p2p exist in the same environment. 

I prefer to sub for SWToR. I do not have time to deal with the restrictions. I just want to blow enemy ships up. I pay for my monthly sub in less than fifteen minutes. For me, the sub is the best way to go. I have guild mates who vastly prefer the f2p method because it costs them nothing. For them, F2P is the way to go. The game allows both methods to work. 

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