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  Onsaboo

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OP  1/20/14 8:02:01 AM#1
  • Right now there's spam threads and porn on the official boards which have been there for ages.
  • The last expansion was buggy as shit and STILL remains unfinished.
  • There is huge amounts of lag for many players which Turbine refuses to even acknowledge.
  • Turbine are consistently lying to its playerbase.
  • Turbine refuse to make any more group content and is bleeding players because of it; their replacement for end-game content, big battles, are shockingly bad.
It's time to give this beloved IP to another developer to salvage something from it. Turbine used to be an excellent dev but I no longer recognise this company.
  Malvious

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1/20/14 8:04:11 AM#2
well to bad they got the licence recently renewed until 2017.

Fine, we'll compromise. I'll get my way & you'll find a way to be okay with that.

  trancejeremy

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1/20/14 8:50:25 PM#3

I agree with most those points, except the group content one.

 

Only a small fraction of the game groups, and they only ever group with each other, so making new content for a small portion of the players is crazy.

 

Of course, Turbine's problem is they didn't make much content for anyone in HD. They really thought people would want to do the BB, I guess.

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  Siug

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1/20/14 9:16:31 PM#4
Originally posted by Malvious
well to bad they got the licence recently renewed until 2017.

Bad. I'd like to play a true Lord of the Rings game true to Tolkien's legacy. Lotro was even OK for a while but went right downhill after Moria imo.

  JJ82

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1/20/14 9:22:18 PM#5
Originally posted by Onsaboo
  • Right now there's spam threads and porn on the official boards which have been there for ages.
  • The last expansion was buggy as shit and STILL remains unfinished.
  • There is huge amounts of lag for many players which Turbine refuses to even acknowledge.
  • Turbine are consistently lying to its playerbase.
  • Turbine refuse to make any more group content and is bleeding players because of it; their replacement for end-game content, big battles, are shockingly bad.
It's time to give this beloved IP to another developer to salvage something from it. Turbine used to be an excellent dev but I no longer recognise this company.

 Turbine was bought by WB.

Its now a corporate run company, profit first, game second, players last.

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  ThomasN7

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1/20/14 9:27:53 PM#6
It is Turbine what did you expect ? It shocks me that people still think Turbine is actually good.
  Netspook

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1/20/14 9:40:38 PM#7
Originally posted by ThomasN7
It is Turbine what did you expect ? It shocks me that people still think Turbine is actually good.

 

Said the one with an avatar from an EA game...

  Jean-Luc_Picard

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1/21/14 5:26:40 AM#8
Originally posted by Wiha
Originally posted by Malvious
well to bad they got the licence recently renewed until 2017.

Bad. I'd like to play a true Lord of the Rings game true to Tolkien's legacy. Lotro was even OK for a while but went right downhill after Moria imo.

Tolkien deserves better than a sub par WoW clone with bad combat, to be honest. I liked the game when it was released, was a founder and pre-ordered, and even ran a fan site, but I always thought that Middle-Earth deserved better than that game.

And then the game went totally downhill of course, getting worse each new patch.

Playing now: WoW, Landmark, GW2

Got a refund: Archeage.

Top 3 MMORPGs played: UO, AC1 and WoW

Honorable mentions: AO, LotRO and GW2.

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  Seelinnikoi

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1/21/14 5:29:02 AM#9
Originally posted by JJ82

Its now a corporate run company, profit first, game second, players last.

Profits first.

Profits second.

Game and players last.

  User Deleted
1/21/14 6:02:41 AM#10

It has been a long time since I played LOTRO. It was one of my favorite games in spite of not being a die hard fan of the lore and disliking the amount of grind needed for traits. It just had a good combination of features, community, and mechanics for me. Honestly OP, I thought you were just trolling when I read your post as I couldn't imagine things being that bad with a game I loved. Then, I decided to go check the forums and I see there is truth in what you wrote to my dismay...

 

Unlike some I do think Turbine is a good MMORPG company in spite of issues that have occurred in the past. I think they have had some good game ideas and  for all the love Tolkein's IP gets I often felt it held them back from making a cool MMORPG with all the bells and whistles we like from flying mounts and booming spells onward.

 

I read the forums, saw the spam and porn, checked into the unusual lag... WTF? Really what's going on over there? And three years isn't a long time for the license agreement either.

 

I hope they can get it together and come back with a new game that builds on their strengths established with LOTRO. They do have the talent.

  Jean-Luc_Picard

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1/21/14 6:44:42 AM#11
Originally posted by Crazy_Stick

I hope they can get it together and come back with a new game that builds on their strengths established with LOTRO. They do have the talent.

I'm afraid the game is already ruined beyond any chance of recovery. Everything hints that the game is on life support, with as little developer resources as possible dedicated to it.

Playing now: WoW, Landmark, GW2

Got a refund: Archeage.

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  Lithuanian

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1/21/14 7:01:05 AM#12
Originally posted by Onsaboo
  • Right now there's spam threads and porn on the official boards which have been there for ages.
  • Just because no other forum on this planet is/was being attacked by spambots. Also, admins of any other forums on this planet never sleep/eat/go to toilet or kitchen
  • The last expansion was buggy as shit and STILL remains unfinished.
  • because OP thinks expansion is buggy and because there are few bugs, all reported. Also, only OP knows (yet does not share this knowledge) how to finish Helm's Deep
  • There is huge amounts of lag for many players which Turbine refuses to even acknowledge.
  • Lag may happen as long as game is played online. Servers may experience downtime etc.
  • Turbine are consistently lying to its playerbase.
  • Care about any proof?
  • Turbine refuse to make any more group content and is bleeding players because of it; their replacement for end-game content, big battles, are shockingly bad.
  • Turbine said clearly: they investigated player behaviour and players are not up to group content. Look at old regions' group content and you will see one shining word - Trouble. Why should Turbine be making things players do not really want?
It's time to give this beloved IP to another developer to salvage something from it. Turbine used to be an excellent dev but I no longer recognise this company.

Overall, yet another "because game does not fit MY genius, game is nonsense, unfinished, devs are lying and Apocalypse is near" post.

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  Sovrath

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1/21/14 7:07:29 AM#13
Originally posted by Onsaboo
  • Right now there's spam threads and porn on the official boards which have been there for ages.
  • The last expansion was buggy as shit and STILL remains unfinished.
  • There is huge amounts of lag for many players which Turbine refuses to even acknowledge.
  • Turbine are consistently lying to its playerbase.
  • Turbine refuse to make any more group content and is bleeding players because of it; their replacement for end-game content, big battles, are shockingly bad.
It's time to give this beloved IP to another developer to salvage something from it. Turbine used to be an excellent dev but I no longer recognise this company.

I actually do think that this game would be better off in another developer's hands or at least a developer with a different vision. However, I don't agree with a lot of your post.

I can't speak to the first one as I haven't been on the forums since before the expansion but at the time I saw no issue.

I think the last expansion is the best expansion they have ever done because it feels more like "lord of the rings" to me. Granted I think Helm's deep should have been either a pve or pvp map but it feels much more on par with being in the books than any other expansion.

There is lag and they have not only admitted it to me by an in game gm but also with a customer support ticket.

You would have to tell us why they are lying to us. For all I know you are lying to us.

It's true they should make more group content but I highly doubt that is the reason they are losing players if indeed they are losing players. I've been playing this game off and on since one of the earlier closed betas and since launch the game has always gained and lost players after new content has been introdcued.

I doubt another developer would make another Lord of the Rings mmo.

  killion81

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1/21/14 8:07:40 AM#14
Originally posted by Sovrath

I doubt another developer would make another Lord of the Rings mmo.

 

Not because they wouldn't want to, but rather Disney will NEVER let go of those rights.  Of all companies in existence, Disney has done more lobbying to extend patent duration and coverage than any other.  (OK, I may be wrong on that, maybe some other company has done more, but Disney has done a LOT.)  In fact, Disney is one of the companies spearheading the charge for everyone's favorite internet regulation changes, stuff like SOPA and everything that has spawned off of it.

  Mackaveli44

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1/21/14 8:12:08 AM#15
Originally posted by Onsaboo
  • Right now there's spam threads and porn on the official boards which have been there for ages.
  • The last expansion was buggy as shit and STILL remains unfinished.
  • There is huge amounts of lag for many players which Turbine refuses to even acknowledge.
  • Turbine are consistently lying to its playerbase.
  • Turbine refuse to make any more group content and is bleeding players because of it; their replacement for end-game content, big battles, are shockingly bad.
It's time to give this beloved IP to another developer to salvage something from it. Turbine used to be an excellent dev but I no longer recognise this company.

Sounds a LOT like the Everquest 2 Devs.... Sadly.  And I wouldnt even call eq2's last 3 expansions "expansions"   They are smaller then game updates....

  Sovrath

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1/21/14 9:16:50 AM#16
Originally posted by killion81
Originally posted by Sovrath

I doubt another developer would make another Lord of the Rings mmo.

 

Not because they wouldn't want to, but rather Disney will NEVER let go of those rights.  Of all companies in existence, Disney has done more lobbying to extend patent duration and coverage than any other.  (OK, I may be wrong on that, maybe some other company has done more, but Disney has done a LOT.)  In fact, Disney is one of the companies spearheading the charge for everyone's favorite internet regulation changes, stuff like SOPA and everything that has spawned off of it.

Well, I'm afraid I'm for extending patents being someone who does create and does get paid for it.

Having the owner of a patent or intellectual property retain their rights is always ok by me.

I think we will have to wait quite a few years before anyone is willing to invest in another Lord of the Rings mmo. I think it will eventually happen (look at the star wars IP) but it's going to be a while.

  Loktofeit

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1/21/14 9:22:15 AM#17
Originally posted by Netspook
Originally posted by ThomasN7
It is Turbine what did you expect ? It shocks me that people still think Turbine is actually good.

 

Said the one with an avatar from an EA game...

I got a kick out of that, too. :) 

 

I never found anything bad about Turbine. I mean, I did not like AC2 at all, but I'm not going to hate on a company because they made a game I didn't enjoy. 

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  Jean-Luc_Picard

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1/21/14 9:24:49 AM#18
Originally posted by Loktofeit
Originally posted by Netspook
Originally posted by ThomasN7
It is Turbine what did you expect ? It shocks me that people still think Turbine is actually good.

 

Said the one with an avatar from an EA game...

I got a kick out of that, too. :) 

 

I never found anything bad about Turbine. I mean, I did not like AC2 at all, but I'm not going to hate on a company because they made a game I didn't enjoy. 

Releasing a paid-for expansion for AC2 just a few months before shutting down the game was definitely a class act.

Playing now: WoW, Landmark, GW2

Got a refund: Archeage.

Top 3 MMORPGs played: UO, AC1 and WoW

Honorable mentions: AO, LotRO and GW2.

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  Asm0deus

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1/21/14 9:33:15 AM#19
Originally posted by Loktofeit
Originally posted by Netspook
Originally posted by ThomasN7
It is Turbine what did you expect ? It shocks me that people still think Turbine is actually good.

 

Said the one with an avatar from an EA game...

I got a kick out of that, too. :) 

 

I never found anything bad about Turbine. I mean, I did not like AC2 at all, but I'm not going to hate on a company because they made a game I didn't enjoy. 

Well as a DDO player I can say Turbine has more often than not  not tested stuff properly and releases buggy crap and this has gotten much worse since WB took over, at least for DDO.

It is ridiculous the amount of bugs that they just have no clue about or just plain don't care about.  DDO has mournlands and lammania to test things but mournlands is more a place the YES MEN go to stroke the devs egos and lamm is more a preview server rather than a feedback test server.

Turbine tests their stuff live and we are the ones that test it free of charge!

 

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1/21/14 9:46:44 AM#20
Don't know what all the doom and gloom are about here. Isn't LOTRO and DDO f2p (freemium)? As such, I thought they were so successful that they could not fail?

Let's party like it is 1863!

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