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  Magiknight

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1/20/14 1:57:03 PM#41
I don't mind PVP but I'm more of a PVE player. I want to complete challenging content with a group of people. PVP can be nice to do on the side. But there SHOULD be a higher death penalty for dying to PVP or PVE.
  Kuinn

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1/20/14 2:15:21 PM#42
Originally posted by Abuz0r

I never understood why some people play PVE all the time and go "I don't PVP, PVP doesn't interest me, and this game is about slaying dragons and I'm here to slay dragons" then they get all high on the horse about how they don't associate with PVP players lol.

Even in WOW i bumped into these people, I had someone delete me from the friends list because I was in a battleground, I asked why did you delete me and he said "I don't hang out with PVP people sorry".

Over the years I've bumped into people who completely freak out if something happens to their game character.  Like they need to have a funeral before the respawn.

It's a video game and the only death penalty is like a 30 second wait,  I guess getting killed and respawning must take away from the role-playing aspect, but I've never played a game on anything but a PVP server so I don't understand why I'd encounter these folk.

I guess for league of legends BOT matches have a dual purpose here.

I like to speculate that they have a mortal fear of facing an opponent that actually thinks and reacts, and somehow they're going to be lesser of a person if they lose.

Anyway, are you 1 of these people?  Can you justify it for me so I understand?  Do you want to duel? :D

 

 

During my 15 years with mmorpgs I've never met a person who actually stops being your "friend" if they learn you PvP. Anyway, why do you care if some people dont like PvP? It's like with all things, apples and oranges you know. I used to mostly do PvP, but these days I dont PvP practically at all because I've turned way too casual to keep up with the gear race that most games seem to have.

  kakasaki

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1/20/14 2:19:29 PM#43
Originally posted by Sovrath
Originally posted by Abuz0r

I didn't come on here to express how much I love griefing other players (although I do).  I was just making a point of how deeply emotional people can be regarding their video game account.  

 

I think, given this added bit, that the reality is that they just don't like you.

I thought the same thing...

A man is his own easiest dupe, for what he wishes to be true he generally believes to be true...

  lizardbones

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1/20/14 2:23:55 PM#44
Originally posted by Kuinn
Originally posted by Abuz0r

I never understood why some people play PVE all the time and go "I don't PVP, PVP doesn't interest me, and this game is about slaying dragons and I'm here to slay dragons" then they get all high on the horse about how they don't associate with PVP players lol.

Even in WOW i bumped into these people, I had someone delete me from the friends list because I was in a battleground, I asked why did you delete me and he said "I don't hang out with PVP people sorry".

Over the years I've bumped into people who completely freak out if something happens to their game character.  Like they need to have a funeral before the respawn.

It's a video game and the only death penalty is like a 30 second wait,  I guess getting killed and respawning must take away from the role-playing aspect, but I've never played a game on anything but a PVP server so I don't understand why I'd encounter these folk.

I guess for league of legends BOT matches have a dual purpose here.

I like to speculate that they have a mortal fear of facing an opponent that actually thinks and reacts, and somehow they're going to be lesser of a person if they lose.

Anyway, are you 1 of these people?  Can you justify it for me so I understand?  Do you want to duel? :D

 

 

During my 15 years with mmorpgs I've never met a person who actually stops being your "friend" if they learn you PvP. Anyway, why do you care if some people dont like PvP? It's like with all things, apples and oranges you know. I used to mostly do PvP, but these days I dont PvP practically at all because I've turned way too casual to keep up with the gear race that most games seem to have.

I haven't met that many people who bother managing their friends list.

I can not remember winning or losing a single debate on the internet.

  cheyane

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1/20/14 2:41:36 PM#45

Being attached to my character brings that additional layer to the game because it matters to me that my character has a good reputation, has helped people,has tried hard not to die,has not been a jerk by stealing nodes or jacking chests.It matters to me that I have played it as well as I can and accumulated money and friends by my deeds and yes it upsets me when they die.

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  Iselin

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1/20/14 2:55:25 PM#46
Originally posted by cheyane

Being attached to my character brings that additional layer to the game because it matters to me that my character has a good reputation, has helped people,has tried hard not to die,has not been a jerk by stealing nodes or jacking chests.It matters to me that I have played it as well as I can and accumulated money and friends by my deeds and yes it upsets me when they die.

Hmm... you might be on to something there. There's quite a difference between the number of deaths / hour played in PVE vs. PVP.

 

I thought this was a silly thread, considering what the OP went on to describe. But there may be something to the title after all. Many deaths in PVE usually means that you're not paying attention or otherwise not playing very well but in PVP, especially quick, cramped, scenario PVP, multiple deaths are the norm.

 

Maybe that's why I prefer large scale organized PVP (RvR, AvA, WvW) where you don't normally die nearly as often as in scenarios... damn, you've made me think 

  jdizzle2k13

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1/21/14 9:57:47 AM#47

People do what they want to do.  People who love PvP are going to PvP, people who love PvE are going to PvE.

I love PvP.  Especially as a healer.  But I'm not one of those types of people to boast about my successes to the world.  There are people in both PvE and PvP camps that feel the need to be arrogant, but I'm not one of them.  I never did quite understand those that do, but I can't make them stop lol.

I don't like the fact that a few loud people give PvPers and PvEers a bad rep.



  SirPKsAlot

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1/21/14 10:22:42 AM#48
I guess in a sense, PvErs are builders and PvPers are destroyers. PvE people usually like to craft and tea-time roleplay. PvPers like to uhh, PvP. And a PvPer is really happy when he's stomping on a PvErs sand-castle.


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  Loktofeit

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1/21/14 10:26:57 AM#49
Originally posted by GwapoJosh
How the hell is it so hard to understand that some people don't like pvp?  Some people like apples and some don't.  This world would be extremely boring if everyone liked the same things.

Do you really think the OP was a genuine question and contention?  The subject line has nothing to do with the opening talking points. I don't expect the mods here to ever figure it out, but, Gwapo, I know you know better. :) 

 

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  catlana

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1/21/14 10:59:28 AM#50
Originally posted by SirPKsAlot
I guess in a sense, PvErs are builders and PvPers are destroyers. PvE people usually like to craft and tea-time roleplay. PvPers like to uhh, PvP. And a PvPer is really happy when he's stomping on a PvErs sand-castle.

Even there you have all types. You have pvpers who like the challenge of fighting the best that the game can offer (ala yes, I like arenas / warzones etc ). On the other hand, you have those that like to gank low level characters. There is absolutely no challenge in that so they must drive off of feelings of power. They also tend to run quickly when confronted with equal level opposition. I remember two people who ganking in Dun Morah village. They ran away when I showed up on my gladiator mage. 

  Markusrind

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1/21/14 11:09:28 AM#51

I love PvP. I am not great but I am pretty good. I like the challenge, especially PvP wih tactical considurations. If I want to PvP I play games that are specifically designed and balanced for enjoyable, competative, skill based PvP.

But I HATE PvP in MMO's for the very reasons I just mentioned. PvP in MMO's is unbalanced (MMORPGS are based on character progression not player skill), un-competative (Ever had a fair fight, one in the banace where either player could win? na me neither) and lacks any real skill (character levels, better equipment, better skills - all part of the PvE world but removes any real nead for skill in PvP...just be a higher level!).  

PvP has it's place but I have yet to play an MMORPG where it actually doesn't get abused or actually has a good design.

 

 

  IDontThinkSoNo

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1/21/14 11:12:33 AM#52
They don't want to get their fur suits all messy.
  Crazyhorsek

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1/21/14 12:21:26 PM#53

And this is why Dark Age of Camelot was great... and why Elder Scrolls Online will be great.

PvE players will PvE at their own pace without EVER being harassed... and PvP players will PvP all they want... and they will all play together without picking "different servers"... both can do the occasional "other side" if they feel like it, but then return to their habitat.

  lizardbones

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1/21/14 12:24:51 PM#54
So here's a question about the whole PvP dying thing.  If the idea is that PvE players are overly attached to their avatars and don't want them to die, and PvP players are not attached to their avatars so they don't care if they die, wouldn't that make PvE players in general better players since they are going to put the effort into making sure their characters don't die?  I mean, I know if my character dies, it's no big deal, right?  But I still don't want my character to die.  The urge to not die is why I bother putting in effort to get my characters out of hairy situations or to keep trying to win even if it surely looks like my character is doomed.

I can not remember winning or losing a single debate on the internet.

  thorwood

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1/21/14 12:44:13 PM#55

I prefer to play cooperatively rather pvp. 

I like to explore and have an adventure.

Combat is only a part of what I like in MMO's.

Also, I am at a low ping disadvantage as none of my game have servers that are located close to Australia. PvE  implementations are usually better at managing longer ping times.

  Iselin

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1/21/14 4:27:48 PM#56
Originally posted by thorwood

I prefer to play cooperatively rather pvp. 

I like to explore and have an adventure.

Combat is only a part of what I like in MMO's.

I like all of the things you like... and I also like cooperative PvP.

 

To me that's the real appeal of DAoC and ESO PVP (besides the fact that thyey also leave the PVErs alone in their separate area) It's raid sized PVP with a purpose not just the random ganking or mindless scenarios that is what PVP means in other games. Cooperation with the 50 or 100 others in your "raid" is what that type of PVP is all about.

 

  IGaveUp

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I can't pull it off. I gave up.

1/21/14 4:43:06 PM#57

No I don't want to duel, but thanks anyway.

 

I wouldn't delete a PVPer from my friends list.  But I'm no PVPer myself.  I just don't have the temperment for it.

 

 If I like downers and someone else likes stims, that doesn't make them uncool to me, nor do I feel it should make me wrong for not being a meth head.  I just don't find what they like to be pleasant.

 

I see a parallel between this example and PVE vs PVP.  Another person might find PVP exciting and a challenge.  I don't game for excitement and challenge.  I game to escape real world stress.  For me, PVP is just more stress.  Why would I play to have more stress, when stress is exactly what I'm trying to avoid?

 

I do find that both sides find reason to insult each other as amusing.  Too few realize that people and their motivations are greatly varied.

 

See ya, going back to my nod.  :-)

 

  maccarthur2004

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1/22/14 8:21:24 PM#58

In PVE the players always win while in PVP they can lose a big amount of times. This alone explains everything. Thread can be closed now. :)

 

 

 

 

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  monochrome19

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1/22/14 9:13:24 PM#59
I really dont understand PvErs, they dont like PvP because its boring but PvE is a lot more boring than PvP. PvPers are typically much funnier, at least in my experience.
  GregorMcgregor

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1/22/14 9:30:36 PM#60

I've always looked at as "PvE'ers are living the dream; they want a story/fantasy and they are apart of it".

PvP'ers on the other hand are more akin to slavering zombies.. kill! Murder! Braaaaaaains! As the charge off into the fight uncaring about themselves, all that matters is the victory! The win, normally so they can taunt the looser and show their epicness.

The Pve'er shows their greatness with shiny items, the top dungeon items and flashiest mount (which they stand about on the full view to "show off" their epeen).

Either way it's about fun; be it day dreaming or mindless slaughter; it's all about what floats your boat. :)

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