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  Dren_Utogi

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OP  12/15/13 1:55:04 AM#1

After playing both superhero games from cryptic, I am surprised the at the depth of this game.

This game has a lot of features that franl;y. I was expecting. I'm huge on character progression , attribute systems and clsass systems, and this game has it. The mini games have been the best mini games to date with each class possessing it's pwn ability to be OP. 

 

Good work Cryptic , don't F it up please !

 

I can see this filling a void in my top f2p list ....

reviews are !@#$ing stupid. Play what you love.

  Hokie

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Hey Devs, just so you know. The more you give us to play with, the more we play.

12/15/13 2:05:37 AM#2

Umm sorry bro. Cryptic doesnt get the credit for the "depth" of this game.

That goes to TSR and then Wizards of the Coast for publishing (A)D&D.

 

"I understand that if I hear any more words come pouring out of your **** mouth, Ill have to eat every fucking chicken in this room."

  Jacxolope

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12/15/13 2:10:07 AM#3
Originally posted by Dren_Utogi

After playing both superhero games from cryptic, I am surprised the at the depth of this game.

This game has a lot of features that franl;y. I was expecting. I'm huge on character progression , attribute systems and clsass systems, and this game has it. The mini games have been the best mini games to date with each class possessing it's pwn ability to be OP. 

 

Good work Cryptic , don't F it up please !

 

I can see this filling a void in my top f2p list ....

Gary Gygax just rolled over in his grave.

  Dren_Utogi

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OP  12/15/13 2:35:52 AM#4
Originally posted by Hokie

Umm sorry bro. Cryptic doesnt get the credit for the "depth" of this game.

That goes to TSR and then Wizards of the Coast for publishing (A)D&D.

 

The depth as in the character progression attribute system ect.

I;m not your bro.

reviews are !@#$ing stupid. Play what you love.

  MrMelGibson

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Joined: 12/13/13
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12/15/13 3:19:44 AM#5
Originally posted by Dren_Utogi
Originally posted by Hokie

Umm sorry bro. Cryptic doesnt get the credit for the "depth" of this game.

That goes to TSR and then Wizards of the Coast for publishing (A)D&D.

 

The depth as in the character progression attribute system ect.

I;m not your bro.

I played from launch to a couple months after.  Let me tell you, the only depth that game has is how expensive and ridiculous the cash shop prices are.  It's not a bad game by any means, but it's a pretty shallow game at best.  You'll see, give it a month.

  AwDiddums

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12/15/13 3:37:02 AM#6
Originally posted by MrMelGibson
Originally posted by Dren_Utogi
Originally posted by Hokie

Umm sorry bro. Cryptic doesnt get the credit for the "depth" of this game.

That goes to TSR and then Wizards of the Coast for publishing (A)D&D.

 

The depth as in the character progression attribute system ect.

I;m not your bro.

I played from launch to a couple months after.  Let me tell you, the only depth that game has is how expensive and ridiculous the cash shop prices are.  It's not a bad game by any means, but it's a pretty shallow game at best.  You'll see, give it a month.

That's why I quit the game, it just came across as a greedy game that just wanted to mug my wallet every time I wanted to improve my character, either through opening the lockboxes or upgrading the enchants.

However I returned after doing a little research on the games economy and I found that with a little more effort on my part that I could create my own wealth without having to resort to spending ridiculous amounts of RL money.

I play the AH,  I even play the Zen/AD market (although it's a lot slower to amass wealth that way) but I've put just as much effort into wealth creation as I have in improving my character.

Yes the game is geared to rip you off if you let it, but be savvy, have some patience and it will pay off in the long term.

  Po_gg

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12/15/13 3:45:19 AM#7

Put it here first: Don't get me wrong, I like Neverwinter and its place among the Cryptic titles.

However, in character building it's not even on the same page as CO's Freeform system (nor the late CoH's Powersets, and  STO has more depth as well)

Neverwinter's main advantage is (I mean imo) exactly that it's easier than the former games, much more straightforward. Easier to hone your build, the systems are simpler, gear has a bigger significance.

Powers, you can get all of them (or skip a few and get all the rest on rank3). Feats have only 1-2 "good" configurations (and maybe 1-2 more with less viability, but fun), and there's the 3 Paragon paths.

And with Shadowmantle, a second paragon for DC, CW and TR. (fighters got each others' paragon...)

 

I'm not really dived into the Artifacts so far, but it smells a lot like LotRO's LIs... which is not good :) Same with the new companion stats. I guess we'll see on the long run, how those will turn out.

  Newfr

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12/15/13 3:54:06 AM#8
Originally posted by AwDiddums

I play the AH,  I even play the Zen/AD market (although it's a lot slower to amass wealth that way) but I've put just as much effort into wealth creation as I have in improving my character.

Are you playing RPG or some stock market simulator?

And yes, NWO is an awful game.

  fantasyfreak112

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12/15/13 3:56:26 AM#9

Gary Gygax just rolled over in his grave.

This

  aspekx

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12/15/13 4:03:44 AM#10
Originally posted by Po_gg

Put it here first: Don't get me wrong, I like Neverwinter and its place among the Cryptic titles.

However, in character building it's not even on the same page as CO's Freeform system (nor the late CoH's Powersets, and  STO has more depth as well)

Neverwinter's main advantage is (I mean imo) exactly that it's easier than the former games, much more straightforward. Easier to hone your build, the systems are simpler, gear has a bigger significance.

Powers, you can get all of them (or skip a few and get all the rest on rank3). Feats have only 1-2 "good" configurations (and maybe 1-2 more with less viability, but fun), and there's the 3 Paragon paths.

 

and this is a concise description of what was wrong and right with DnD 4.0. the 4th ed. failed not because of its combat mechanics, nor the Spellplague, but b/c of the complete lack of real character customization allowed in 3.5 ed.

 

tabletop players went from a wide variety of individually crafted builds that were designed around the story and the character the player wanted to put into the story, to being a dumbed down version of a tabletop miniatures campaign.

 

my friends and i didn't care for it mostly, but we all agreed it would more than likely make a decent mmo.

 

(btw: i play NW off and on, it's a fun little game and i don't spend any cash on it. so its admirable for what it does, imo.)

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One could be called finite, the other infinite.
A finite game is played for the purpose of winning,
an infinite game for the purpose of continuing play."
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  Po_gg

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12/15/13 4:22:34 AM#11
Originally posted by aspekx
 

and this is a concise description of what was wrong and right with DnD 4.0. the 4th ed. failed not because of its combat mechanics, nor the Spellplague, but b/c of the complete lack of real character customization allowed in 3.5 ed.

Yep, we stopped at 3.0 back in the days :)

 

What I tried to say with my post, while Neverwinter is a nice game, I like to play it on and off, but definitely not because it has a deep character building... CO and STO is much better for theory crafting.

  Darkholme

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12/15/13 4:51:08 AM#12
They have been dumbing down "D&D" since 2nd edition to try and "mainstream" and appeal to the masses (aka make more money) and it hasn't really worked all that well, so that is on WotC. As a D&D game Neverwinter is yet another franchise cash grab from Cryptic and really leaves a bad taste in this old school D&D players mouth. As a Cryptic game it's alright, if you can get past them using a slightly modified version of the same engine, and that incessant dramatic music playing (which I always shut off anyhow). It just leaves a bad taste because game play is so clearly built around the cash shop... I will not lie though, I do enjoy the game play, it's just such a shallow game for an MMORPG.

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  Dren_Utogi

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OP  12/15/13 6:00:59 AM#13

Some of the crtical posts I just am not finding any of that true. 

 

I personal am a points precise person, and the fact that you have to reroll if you mess up is a lot of fun for me. Rerolled my trickster 4 times now :D, Thats just how I am :D

reviews are !@#$ing stupid. Play what you love.

  Po_gg

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12/15/13 6:22:42 AM#14

If you reroll that frequently, and don't want to spend 3 bucks for every token, you can join to the test server.

With that you can try out every point allotment configuration that comes to mind (but there aren't that much) for free.

  Dren_Utogi

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OP  12/15/13 7:25:48 AM#15
Originally posted by Po_gg

If you reroll that frequently, and don't want to spend 3 bucks for every token, you can join to the test server.

With that you can try out every point allotment configuration that comes to mind (but there aren't that much) for free.

makes it more crucial for me to have to reroll, it is just one of those things I do in games. Makes me think more about wwere to put the points :).

reviews are !@#$ing stupid. Play what you love.

  Po_gg

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12/15/13 10:30:42 AM#16
Originally posted by furbans
[mod edit]

This atrocity is actually a pretty fun game. I agree with the rest. DDO's character development is great, but as you wrote yourself, it has issues on other areas...

At the bottom line I guess what only matters is the fun factor. For me (as a perfectly neutral one, since I like both Turbine and Cryptic, and don't like 3.5 nor 4.0) it's clear: I haven't played DDO since months, and I log into Neverwinter every couple of days. None of them are perfect games, but Neverwinter is more suited for having fun in random, short, occasional sessions.

And if I'm in theory crafting mood, then there's TSW :)

 

Edit: slip of the tongue... :) "since I like both Turbine and Cryptic"  their games, I mean. Lol

  MrMelGibson

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12/15/13 1:03:24 PM#17
Originally posted by Dren_Utogi

Some of the crtical posts I just am not finding any of that true. 

 

I personal am a points precise person, and the fact that you have to reroll if you mess up is a lot of fun for me. Rerolled my trickster 4 times now :D, Thats just how I am :D

Funny thing, in the majority of mmos (F2P or P2P) you will never have to pay for a respec.  This is just yet another example of the greed.  Don't get me wrong, I don't mind a company making some money for their hard work.  But, to ask about $6 for a respec is pretty ridiculous.   You can try to justify it however you want, but no one is buying it.

 

P.S. I was one of the foolish people who purchased the $60 guardian founder packs before the game launched.  So, I'm not some freeloader who plays F2P and just complains about spending money on them.  When a game is good, I don't feel bad spending $.  This game with all the exploits and cash grab around every corner just killed the game for me.  I did enjoy the combat though.

  Dren_Utogi

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OP  12/16/13 1:24:30 AM#18
Originally posted by Po_gg
Originally posted by furbans
[mod edit]

This atrocity is actually a pretty fun game. I agree with the rest. DDO's character development is great, but as you wrote yourself, it has issues on other areas...

At the bottom line I guess what only matters is the fun factor. For me (as a perfectly neutral one, since I like both Turbine and Cryptic, and don't like 3.5 nor 4.0) it's clear: I haven't played DDO since months, and I log into Neverwinter every couple of days. None of them are perfect games, but Neverwinter is more suited for having fun in random, short, occasional sessions.

And if I'm in theory crafting mood, then there's TSW :)

 

Edit: slip of the tongue... :) "since I like both Turbine and Cryptic"  their games, I mean. Lol

I like the game and find it fun.  I like the that I'm not dealing with 30 hotbars and 100 skills,  it makes it more refined in what skill sI'm using and were to focus my points,

 

Graphics are great. I good blend of style and realism make it like a gw2 meats eq2 kind of feel. Texturing is superb and the foliage is well done. Trees are really important to me when I play a n mmorpg (cause I just like trees :D ) and these are on par with AAA trees.

 

Neverwinter filling a void that was left with LotrO update, Aoc merger and my Tera break. :)

 

I think Neverwinter is probably the 3rd best f2p on the market right now.

reviews are !@#$ing stupid. Play what you love.

  ropenice

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12/16/13 1:47:37 AM#19
Originally posted by Newfr
Originally posted by AwDiddums

I play the AH,  I even play the Zen/AD market (although it's a lot slower to amass wealth that way) but I've put just as much effort into wealth creation as I have in improving my character.

Are you playing RPG or some stock market simulator?

And yes, NWO is an awful game.

Yeah, this made it sound really fun. F2P models just keep getting worse and worse. I'm not bashing all F2P, started out as a neat idea, but it just seems to be getting more invasive and restricting, where you have to work just as much as you get to play (or spend a fortune just to have what should come with the game). 15 a month is sounding better and better. I do think the genre should have many options for pricing models, to fit the vast variety of gamers, but f2p is getting more lopsided toward the bad.

  ropenice

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12/16/13 2:05:57 AM#20
Originally posted by furbans
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And the quests (not all of course but most-especially the higher levs) are the best IMO in any mmo. Classes too, as they stick fairly close to DnD- rogues actually do rogue things (secret doors, find/disarm traps that will kill you on elite setting) and not just dps, the amount of wizard spells are amazing (and not just damage spells, but support or offbeat like dimension door), etc. Does have problems- like melee combat, no open world and more, but for depth of classes and well-crafted quests can't be beat.

Not to be insulting, but the Op and others that throw money at mediocre, overpriced cash-grab type game, only create an environment where devs/companies will keep making them as why wouldn't they when they can make a ton without high dev costs or any attempt at innovation or worry about having too high of quality. Just keep pumping items/services into CS (resources which devs used to put into the games themselves). If people wouldn't put up with this stuff, they'd have to try something else to get our money, and maybe something better would be the result.

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