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  emperorwings

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Joined: 12/25/06
Posts: 1345

12/29/13 4:18:18 AM#181
Only wrong choice you can make in rift is warrior, cleric, rogue or mage.

This isn't a signature, you just think it is.

  Muke

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Joined: 1/04/07
Posts: 1606

12/29/13 4:24:14 AM#182
Originally posted by intrinsc
WoW 2.0 already came out and it is called Rift.

That's why this game with WHO grpahics is already on life support?

Personally, I hope WOW stays around forever, then I won't have to deal with spoonfed themepark players running around in my favorite sandbox calling devs to nerf the steep learning curve.

 

On the other hand, I could kill them over and over again and take their stuff..........hmmmmm

"going into arguments with idiots is a lost cause, it requires you to stoop down to their level and you can't win"

  Robokapp

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Joined: 11/15/09
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The only luck I had today was to have you as my opponent.

12/29/13 4:38:05 AM#183
Originally posted by GeezerGamer

There hasn't been an MMO yet that hurt another MMO by stealing its active playerbase. Why do we still have this discussion?

eq2-wow.

 

it happened very long ago but it happened.

  simplius

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Joined: 12/12/12
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1/06/14 12:51:32 AM#184

this wont go anywhere, near wow

action-combat, raid focused..expect 300-400k subs

i wont buy it , without a free trial

  ImperialSun

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Joined: 9/05/12
Posts: 231

1/10/14 11:17:27 AM#185

Wow (pun intended!)

There certainly seems to be a lot of butt hurt WoW bum boys in this thread leaping to attack the OP for his opinion :)

I'd say that means WS must be doing something right :)

It's also one of the reasons the WoW community is so toxic and juvenile imo.

Driz

  ViperDragon

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Joined: 1/04/14
Posts: 102

1/10/14 12:41:51 PM#186
The OP makes some good points.  WoW was the first MMO I ever played, so it will always have a place in the ole heart, but WS is great; it gives me the same feeling that WoW did back whenever I first played it, years ago.

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  Nurofen

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Joined: 1/10/12
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1/10/14 5:20:53 PM#187
Originally posted by Daessar
Originally posted by slicknslim88

Here is a list of people who are playing WoW right now.  This makes up the 7 million subs that they have currently:

Yep you got it for the most part, you did leave out 1 group and that's the players who like to fully gear up with little effort, and want a game where their main and alts can all be geared out in a few weeks. Those players will not be switching to a game where they aren't able to do that.

I believe the largest group is players who play the content, un-sub, wait for new content, re-sub and so on. I can readily see this on the most popular EU server (Silvermoon) and from my guild that had 180 members and I think has been the pattern in WoW. That is why the WoW devs feversly release new content regularly but also patches that contain additional content in between major releases.

  Nurofen

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1/10/14 5:28:24 PM#188
Originally posted by Foomerang

I think this game may actually hit WoW's subs hard. Unlike so many other WoW clones, this seems to be doing what WoW did, but better. The stylized graphics are sharper, the combat more slick. It is adding housing which Blizzard is attempting to answer with their own version. The crafting is a more customizable version of WoW's tried and true system. I think this is less of a WoW clone and more of a WoW v2.0

They are doing what Blizzard did to EQ. And they may just beat them at their own game. I think Anet tried to beat WoW by going the polar opposite route. But Wildstar seems to have everything that a WoW fan enjoys, but better.

The storylines and characters are tounge in cheek and full of pop culture references, the raids seem bigger and badder, exploration is a career path.

I think WoW just may take its biggest subscription hit when this game launches. And I think Blizzard knows it.

 

I think for any game to hit WoW hard it has to prove it is worthy of the subscription, let alone worthy of the initial purchase. From what I have seen all these years (since 2002 and SWG) and all these MMOs, each had one or more catastrophic design flaws so as never to threaten WoW.

 

  sportsfan

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Joined: 8/20/12
Posts: 365

1/10/14 5:38:39 PM#189

Somebody needs to tell you guys that the age of new MMORPG's conquering the subscription markets came to an end with SWTOR.

There you had the perfect Lore, the perfect marketing and a perfect goal to reach 12.000.000 (sic) subs in the biggest franchise of the universe.

2 years later and we know better.

Or so I thought ....

 

  Nurofen

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Posts: 33

1/11/14 6:58:04 AM#190
Originally posted by sportsfan

Somebody needs to tell you guys that the age of new MMORPG's conquering the subscription markets came to an end with SWTOR.

There you had the perfect Lore, the perfect marketing and a perfect goal to reach 12.000.000 (sic) subs in the biggest franchise of the universe.

2 years later and we know better.

Or so I thought ....

 

Surely that is not what SWTOR is. SWTOR, like so many other MMOs since 2000, has catastrophic flaws, which even a three year old would tell you about!

1) It is extraordinarily linear. You cannot make a toon and go explore. You cannot go meet your friends on some other place. You have to keep doing a single line of quests and be limited to whichever zone these quests are in and only successful completion of those quests will allow you to exit the zone! If that is not the most idiotic design ever then I do not know what is. It's worse than games made in the 90s.

2) the maps are all fake - there is no 3D world, you are always constrained by invisible barriers so you have to travel on a certain path - even in year 2000 we had games with full open worlds you could wander in. Another terrible design reminiscent of 90's games.

So SWTOR may be OK as a single player game just to go through the lore maybe, but then why pay subscription and why be online for a single player game?

No wonder the game flopped.

  evryman13

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Joined: 1/05/14
Posts: 19

1/11/14 7:13:50 AM#191
There will never be another WoW, in terms of subs I mean.  Hell, WoW will never reach those sub numbers again.  WoW was considered wildly successful when TBC rolled out, maybe before, and we're talking about maybe 4 million subs.  WoW is so far removed from what is was, both good and bad, it's almost like there is no WoW anymore.  This WoW killer is a myth, perpetuated by people like us on forums.  WoW is going strong with 6 million subs or so.  The landscape is changing, MMO's are flooding the market.  I love what WS has to offer and I can't wait for release.  I like what ESO is doing.  There are numerous MMO's coming out that have the potential to stick around for a while.  Nothing killed WoW, we just have more choices now.  WoW will probably always have the strongest player base, but the gap is closing.  I hope WS is good, along with every other MMO coming out, just for the shear number of choices and flexibility in gaming ideology. 

"Those who stay will be champions"

  simplius

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Joined: 12/12/12
Posts: 979

1/13/14 4:51:03 AM#192
Originally posted by Nurofen
Originally posted by sportsfan

Somebody needs to tell you guys that the age of new MMORPG's conquering the subscription markets came to an end with SWTOR.

There you had the perfect Lore, the perfect marketing and a perfect goal to reach 12.000.000 (sic) subs in the biggest franchise of the universe.

2 years later and we know better.

Or so I thought ....

 

Surely that is not what SWTOR is. SWTOR, like so many other MMOs since 2000, has catastrophic flaws, which even a three year old would tell you about!

1) It is extraordinarily linear. You cannot make a toon and go explore. You cannot go meet your friends on some other place. You have to keep doing a single line of quests and be limited to whichever zone these quests are in and only successful completion of those quests will allow you to exit the zone! If that is not the most idiotic design ever then I do not know what is. It's worse than games made in the 90s.

2) the maps are all fake - there is no 3D world, you are always constrained by invisible barriers so you have to travel on a certain path - even in year 2000 we had games with full open worlds you could wander in. Another terrible design reminiscent of 90's games.

So SWTOR may be OK as a single player game just to go through the lore maybe, but then why pay subscription and why be online for a single player game?

No wonder the game flopped.

swtor had the possibility, but not the skills

next  chance will prolly be TITAN, in 2016

  Swanea

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Joined: 4/25/08
Posts: 2380

1/13/14 4:54:21 AM#193
If this takes more than a drop in the ocean from WoWs subs for more than the usual month or two, I'd be very surprised.
  Kayo45

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Joined: 7/01/13
Posts: 294

1/13/14 10:46:31 AM#194
If it wasnt for NCSoft id buy this game day one. Looks impressive and fun. The dev team is about as creative as it gets with its designs (love the videos!), the animations are cartoony but amazing, the features sound promising, and their future plans/direction seems solid. It does have a goood chance at taking the lead ... assuming NCSoft doesnt muck it all up.

Still, im going to wait it out a few months. If after 3-6 months the game is still booming then ill take a chance. I just dont trust anything NCSoft does anymore. They have the worst CSR rep I have ever heard of by a long shot and will screw their customers over if itll get them an extra penny. Theyre the EA of MMOs. I know theyre not the company thats developing the game ... but Carbine just chose to partner up with the dirtiest publisher of the MMO genre, and im not biting unless it proves itself first.
  User Deleted
1/13/14 10:49:05 AM#195
Is anyone else looking forward to the day when WoW-killer threads stop existing? I don't think it will be any time soon, but my god it will be glorious.
  simplius

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Joined: 12/12/12
Posts: 979

1/14/14 3:14:14 AM#196
Originally posted by evilastro
Is anyone else looking forward to the day when WoW-killer threads stop existing? I don't think it will be any time soon, but my god it will be glorious.

we cant talk boxing, without mentioning the champ..sorry dude

  Kabaal

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Joined: 8/02/05
Posts: 2947

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1/14/14 6:08:58 AM#197

The thread topic has been done to death already but it did give me one curious thought.

I wonder whether the attitude in the thread would be the same or the polar opposite if this game was being released (exactly as it is) by Blizzard as a spiritual successor to WoW. I'd put money on the thread being full of people falling over themselves wanting to play it

Always keep your words soft and sweet, just in case you have to eat them.

  exile01

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Joined: 1/27/13
Posts: 147

1/14/14 6:15:50 AM#198
WoW is like crack to WoW players. They cant get off that drug. Impossibru.
  Phry

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Joined: 7/01/04
Posts: 5226

1/14/14 6:17:50 AM#199
Originally posted by Kabaal

The thread topic has been done to death already but it did give me one curious thought.

I wonder whether the attitude in the thread would be the same or the polar opposite if this game was being released (exactly as it is) by Blizzard as a spiritual successor to WoW. I'd put money on the thread being full of people falling over themselves wanting to play it

Highly doubtful, even if it was Blizzard releasing this game, i would really not be interested. The graphics look too cartoony, and we have way too many games like that already, but even ignoring that, what i've seen so far just does not look interesting, whoever is doing the hype is doing a good job of destroying the game imo, the less seen of it the better.

  Dragnelus

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Posts: 306

1/14/14 6:26:39 AM#200
Disagree, it will be a good game for some ppl. And so will eso, I like eso more than wildstar. Wildstar is just a big looney tunes world for me. 
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