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  DamonVile

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12/11/13 10:26:29 PM#41
Originally posted by DarLorkar
Originally posted by Wizardry

What makes it very odd is that CCP is making a killing with Eve, a game that runs for pennies raking in millions.

point being that if they truly were committed and cared about WOD,they most certainly could afford to do it full steam ahead.

It really makes me wonder wth is CCP doing with all the money they make,are these guys filling up offshore accounts ready to sink the ship soon?When you have a lot of money and lay guys off from an unfnished product,there is something seriously wrong under the hood.

To me it is a no brainer,they couldn't care less about this game anymore but they will tell you they do because they want  to make something out of this investment.

Eve costs more to run than most games. They spend tons each year trying to keep up with the lag/server builds to make the big battles and everyone playing on one world thing work.

Eve,Dust, and WOD..

Too many irons in the fire for one high cost game to support fully.

But hopefully, they can continue working on WOD .

 

How do you know the operating costs of any of the mmos ?

  Vasel

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12/12/13 12:23:30 AM#42
When i saw the presentation of nothing  that they had I knew this was vaporware.
  ZombieKen

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12/12/13 12:29:34 AM#43

I think we have some CCPers here on the forum.  Hope they missed the axe.  Sorry that any had to get it, and talk about crappy timing.

 

 

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  Kossuth

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12/12/13 12:54:48 AM#44
They own White Wolf so sadly can't lose the license.

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  Lobotomist

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12/12/13 1:59:44 AM#45

First of, firing people just before christmas is sucker move of gigantic proportions.

Second they forgot to add that whole team consisted of 16 people. And they fired 15...

  JeroKane

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12/12/13 2:44:07 AM#46
Originally posted by DarLorkar
Originally posted by Wizardry

What makes it very odd is that CCP is making a killing with Eve, a game that runs for pennies raking in millions.

point being that if they truly were committed and cared about WOD,they most certainly could afford to do it full steam ahead.

It really makes me wonder wth is CCP doing with all the money they make,are these guys filling up offshore accounts ready to sink the ship soon?When you have a lot of money and lay guys off from an unfnished product,there is something seriously wrong under the hood.

To me it is a no brainer,they couldn't care less about this game anymore but they will tell you they do because they want  to make something out of this investment.

Eve costs more to run than most games. They spend tons each year trying to keep up with the lag/server builds to make the big battles and everyone playing on one world thing work.

Eve,Dust, and WOD..

Too many irons in the fire for one high cost game to support fully.

But hopefully, they can continue working on WOD .

 

Have you seen the houses the devs at CCP Iceland live in? Have you seen the cars they drive?

That´s where Your Money goes.

The iceland Office has a very strong core of People that have been there since the startup of the Company and they take the biggest chunk of the Money the Company is making.

The CCP many know from years ago, no longer exist. Like so often happens, greed has gone into their heads long ago and now the entire Company is driven by greed mongering fools, that are being held hostage by a very strong hardcore Group of EVE players (who spend hundreds to thousands of dollars a month) from the likes of Goon and other terrible EVE Corps dictating the direction of CCP´s Development.

A lot of People (me included) wanted WIS to be fully developed and Integrated into the game.

It´s this very vocal Group of EVE players that litterly threatened CCP to stop it and change Development direction and continue do the same old same old that benefits the largest Corps in the game.

I used to be a fanatic EVE player years ago, but With all the controversies between EVE employees and these large corps over the years, the "real" corruption, PLEX controversities, Monoclegate, etc...... Mehh.

WoD will never see the light of day. What another poster already said. They basically fired the entire WoD team. Take it for what you will.

  Thorqemada

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Joined: 8/30/04
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12/12/13 3:01:30 AM#47

Well, that sucks - i hoped WoD could be something fresh in the MMOrpg-world!

There are not many values left in our "Cutthroat Capitalsm Me World Of Lies" but to "Air Out" People in december is even today bad business behavior and should be judged accordingly.

I allways knew that these CCP Folks are of a strange kind bcs i played EvE a few months and the Soul of the game represents the Soul of its Devs and EvE is a dark, cold and technocratic game that rewards all kinds of ingame crimes while totally missing any Wonders of Space, Mystery of the Universe and their Shipdesign is at best "weird".

"WiS" and according gameplay could have increased my motivation to play EvE despite the horrible "Soul" of the game but yeah, that and Dust and all their acting show what CCP is worth for...

All People live in the Hell they build themself - enjoy yours CCP.

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  hfztt

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12/12/13 3:03:56 AM#48

The mix of EVE and Tin Foil Hats never stops to entertain.

*Graps Popcorn*

  hfztt

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12/12/13 3:11:58 AM#49
Originally posted by Thorqemada

Well, that sucks - i hoped WoD could be something fresh in the MMOrpg-world!

To be honest, so does CCP. And that is the real issue here.

This is the second time they cut of the asset team from the game, which basicly means they STILL dont have a lock on how the core mechanics of the game should work.

I will rather wait until they think they got it right than get something half baked. CCP have too many times been forced into delivereing a half backed product due to thier PR department overselling something way before it was even done and thus comitting the company to delivering "something" rather than delay or even scrap bad ideas. (Incarna, Planetary Interaction, DUST and I fear Valkyrie)

  Solar_Prophet

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Joined: 11/10/13
Posts: 733

WAAAGH!

12/12/13 5:07:52 AM#50
Originally posted by JeroKane
Originally posted by DarLorkar
Originally posted by Wizardry

What makes it very odd is that CCP is making a killing with Eve, a game that runs for pennies raking in millions.

point being that if they truly were committed and cared about WOD,they most certainly could afford to do it full steam ahead.

It really makes me wonder wth is CCP doing with all the money they make,are these guys filling up offshore accounts ready to sink the ship soon?When you have a lot of money and lay guys off from an unfnished product,there is something seriously wrong under the hood.

To me it is a no brainer,they couldn't care less about this game anymore but they will tell you they do because they want  to make something out of this investment.

Eve costs more to run than most games. They spend tons each year trying to keep up with the lag/server builds to make the big battles and everyone playing on one world thing work.

Eve,Dust, and WOD..

Too many irons in the fire for one high cost game to support fully.

But hopefully, they can continue working on WOD .

 

Have you seen the houses the devs at CCP Iceland live in? Have you seen the cars they drive?

That´s where Your Money goes.

The iceland Office has a very strong core of People that have been there since the startup of the Company and they take the biggest chunk of the Money the Company is making.

The CCP many know from years ago, no longer exist. Like so often happens, greed has gone into their heads long ago and now the entire Company is driven by greed mongering fools, that are being held hostage by a very strong hardcore Group of EVE players (who spend hundreds to thousands of dollars a month) from the likes of Goon and other terrible EVE Corps dictating the direction of CCP´s Development.

A lot of People (me included) wanted WIS to be fully developed and Integrated into the game.

It´s this very vocal Group of EVE players that litterly threatened CCP to stop it and change Development direction and continue do the same old same old that benefits the largest Corps in the game.

I used to be a fanatic EVE player years ago, but With all the controversies between EVE employees and these large corps over the years, the "real" corruption, PLEX controversities, Monoclegate, etc...... Mehh.

WoD will never see the light of day. What another poster already said. They basically fired the entire WoD team. Take it for what you will.

Agreed. One of the reasons I left the game was because of the fact that CCP as a whole lets the big corps dominate the direction of the game's development, especially in regards to WIS. When I think of what they could've accomplished with that by now, I can only shake my head in disappointment. Disappointment that the community reacted in such a bigoted fashion, and disappointment that CCP didn't have the balls to tell the vocal minority to shove off, but instead altered their focus & left their own vision behind just to cater to a few short-sighted whiners.

Hell, the Goons threatened to leave over it... although I can't see that as anything but a positive.

Anyway, to the topic at hand, I hope those who were discharged from the company can find work quickly. Pretty shitty of CCP to fire them right before Christmas; they couldn't have at least waited until January? They had to free up those funds RIGHT NOW? I don't even think EA has stooped that low yet, correct me if I'm wrong. Talk about cold-hearted.

Ah well, I'm sure they'll find new positions before too long, probably working on an actual game instead of a piece of vaporware.

Oh, and screw you CCP. Here's hoping you get visited by three ghosts before this holiday season is concluded.

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  MumboJumbo

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12/12/13 5:20:04 AM#51
Doing too much too soon; something is going to get dropped.

That said CCP have produced some awesome stuff in this genre so can't be too hard on them when things don't pan out.

Still WoD is Top 5 Most anticipated in this sterile genre. Hope they just release a smaller
Game and let the players build/run it.
  Muke

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Joined: 1/04/07
Posts: 1641

12/12/13 5:29:58 AM#52
Originally posted by Vorthanion
Originally posted by Muke
Originally posted by AndrewGoat
This game was seriously one of the few MMOs I was truly looking forward to, as we don't actually have very many if any dark, vampire/werewolf type games in the MMO genre. If they screw this up, it will be an epic failure. I can't understand how a company would continue to work on a sandbox of trolls(EVE Online) instead of getting this game up and running. Makes no sense.

Because their only successful venture is called EVE Online, it is unique in the gaming world, especially the MMO scene which likes to copy the well known sandbox milking cow.

EVE is their flagship and main money sink , their 2nd venture WOD isnt even Live yet -probably never will- and their 3rd -DUST- is a massive failure so far.

So yes, why shouldn't they ditch EVE Online as they have so many other good titles to look after?

 

Shouldn't that "flagship" be making enough money to keep their employees?  Something about that flagship or its business model is making it less profitable than they expected.  Even heartless companies hate firing people during the Holidays, if not for reasons of conscience, then for public relations and image.

just pointing out that mr Goat hints at stopping pouring money into their main income.

Always a smart move to abandon your main income to free up resources for a questionable project. :S

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  aspekx

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12/12/13 5:36:44 AM#53
Originally posted by DamonVile
Strategic adjustment.... Why do I picture someone getting kicked in the face while they cling to a raft that's starting to sink.

^this.

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  jagd1

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12/12/13 7:37:03 AM#54
Originally posted by JeroKane

A lot of People (me included) wanted WIS to be fully developed and Integrated into the game.

It´s this very vocal Group of EVE players that litterly threatened CCP to stop it and change Development direction and continue do the same old same old that benefits the largest Corps in the game.

I dont know when you started to play eve but WIS announced at 2007  http://www.tentonhammer.com/node/11409 promised a lot  and 4 years later delivered nothing , only inside a  room with an avatar  can do nothing .  And before 18-24 months it was released eve was a ghost ship / abondened by devs with full of bugs waiting to fixed.

CCP  took to money from eve players and focused on dust514 and WOD  and gave nothing back that period ( 2009-2011)  than and than ''Greed is good '' happened and they pulled another ostrich  and angered whole player base .Basicly CCP took money and   gave back nothing for  2 years  and angered  players , it was not WIS alone (and probably it was last thing on list )  and  i say this someone not interested with WIS .

Players was against CCP  and all the moronic things they did, not just  WIS  (  although it was no purpose with that crappy implamantation i think ) even just store fronts could save WIS . You should ask CCP what happenedl to all promised things , dont blame players for that crap.

 

What players wanted working and bug free game ,if they want to make another game ok as long as they had been keep eve at working condition and i think nobody can argue against it . You should ask to CCP why they did this moronic thing and abondoned eve at that time .

 

 

  mgilbrtsn

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He who fights and runs away... misses out on the loot

12/12/13 7:43:24 AM#55
an awful lot of guessing and assumptions.  Like an early poster said, we would have to know the reason the layoffs occurred and what positions were involved.  Until we get concrete info, we're all just peeing in the wind.

They are coming for you!

  Darquegryn

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12/12/13 7:45:37 AM#56
<<<Huge WoD fan...gave up on this title ages ago :(
  DMKano

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12/12/13 8:01:43 AM#57

As far s WOD, Maybe CCP realized that the whole vampires and werewolf thing sort of peaked several years ago and has been played out for a long time now.

I know there are still fans who cling on to this IP - but it's time to move on.

Underworld - 2003, than with Twilight/True Blood resurgance in 2008 - now it's just not popular anymore.

The best flick is still the original Nosferatu from 1922 imo

 

 

  Wolfhammer

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Bleh!

12/12/13 8:09:34 AM#58
Originally posted by MumboJumbo


Still WoD is Top 5 Most anticipated in this sterile genre. Hope they just release a smaller
Game and let the players build/run it.

Doomed to failure from the start.  We all know gamers in general have no clue what they want, they just shout about what they think they want.  When they get it they disappear onto something else because they didnt like it.

Us gamers are arseholes !

 

  Asm0deus

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12/12/13 8:10:18 AM#59
I am/was interested in this game but have since pretty much relegated it to the "vaporware" category sadly.

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  atuerstar

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Joined: 5/12/10
Posts: 240

12/12/13 8:16:23 AM#60

Ill go out on a limb and say this - You dont need as many Devs when you decide you are only making a cheap console cash in.

 

Like everything else CCP does now.

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