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  reeereee

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12/09/13 10:50:54 PM#41

Between the hardcore Skyrim fans who hate this game and the sandbox crowd who certainly aren't going to like it, I'm kinda surprised there is anyone speaking well of this game here.

 

Personally I have high hopes for this game...  and by that I mean better than FFXIV and gw2.... which shouldn't be hard... I hope...

  azmundai

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12/09/13 11:00:05 PM#42

its just another elder scrolls game with some generic group content tacked on to make it appear to be an mmo .. i think the divide is basically between elder scrolls fans and mmo fans.

just like swotor was just another kotor game with generic group content tacked on to make it appear to be an mmo ..

LFD tools are great for cramming people into content, but quality > quantity.
I am, usually on the sandbox .. more "hardcore" side of things, but I also do just want to have fun. So lighten up already :)

  makasouleater69

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12/09/13 11:04:39 PM#43
                To be honest, If you want a elder scrolls online your gonna have a better bet playing everquest landmark, and making it into skyrim lol. The only place this game is gonna be popular is on the console. 
  Drew213

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12/09/13 11:07:52 PM#44

 

Having only played Skyrim and Oblivion PC wise, ESO has a hard road ahead. It better be freaking fantastical, i mean Skyrim alone has a following that can make or break the MMO. For that reason you can not take the middle road, or left or right. The problem I see is making it so MMOish or following a set standard when they themselves have set so many from their own uniqueness.

 

The game honestly is not either one of what you speak for MMO, WoW  or Skyrim. Its a failure to me as a pc gamer and honestly it should be extremely better than what i have seen. i would not wipe my dirty shoes with it~!

  makasouleater69

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12/09/13 11:08:50 PM#45
Originally posted by kabitoshin
After seeing how great FFXIV looks, and how smooth the game runs, ESO graphics kinda dissapoint.

    I dont understand this thing people have about mmos cant have good graphics. You got a good example there, final fantasy has great graphics. 

   Not to mention that vanguard saga of heros, has better graphics then ESO, and is more true to being realistic and skyrim style then ESO. 

  makasouleater69

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12/09/13 11:13:08 PM#46
Originally posted by Drew213

 

Having only played Skyrim and Oblivion PC wise, ESO has a hard road ahead. It better be freaking fantastical, i mean Skyrim alone has a following that can make or break the MMO. For that reason you can not take the middle road, or left or right. The problem I see is making it so MMOish or following a set standard when they themselves have set so many from their own uniqueness.

 

The game honestly is not either one of what you speak for MMO, WoW  or Skyrim. Its a failure to me as a pc gamer and honestly it should be extremely better than what i have seen. i would not wipe my dirty shoes with it~!

      They should of asked the Elder scrolls modding community, and the major modders in that for help in making the mmo lol. They would of had a much better game. 

  Mardukk

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12/09/13 11:19:46 PM#47
Originally posted by cnutemp
Originally posted by GPrestige

 

Anyone have any idea?

The game devs did a complete 180 gameplay flip and all their fans are pissed off.

I haven't been following the game all that closely but I do know TES has had a history of open world games and from what i have seem from forum complaints is that they made their MMO a linear quest grinder with zoned faction pvp.

It was like when the dragonball z mmo was announced and they first thing they said was saiyans were not a playable race and all their fans were in an uproar.

You can't build up a IP and then change the one aspect that made it popular in the first place.

Yeah linear quest grinder fans vs non linear quest grinder fans would be a more apt comparison.  The setting and combat are solid as well as the non cartoon gfx, however being told what to do (quest grinding) gets old after 1 hour max, for me.  There needs to be more on the line than safely quest grinding myself to sleep.

 

I'm not an ES fan.  I like the open world freedom but I can't force myself to play single player games after I discovered MMO's with EQ.  While we are all wasting our time, I feel like single player games are playing for no reason other than to impress myself....which is pointless.

  Sleepyfish

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12/09/13 11:22:10 PM#48
Originally posted by Sovrath

Is it a division between MMO players and hardcore TES fans?

yes

And those on the mmo side are concerned that it will be just another WoW clone.

Well maybe not a WOW clone I was more concerned with it being too much like GW2. Because I played GW2 and it was enjoyable at first, betas and 3 months later, you hit the ceiling. I am not hellbent against RVR I just don't like it done this way. the lack of any cross faction interaction in non Cyrodill zones and the combat system are sore points for me but that is only because I do like the Single player games and that seems washy to me lore wise. 

  Tibernicuspa

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12/09/13 11:28:23 PM#49

Its because its obvious its being run by publishers, not by devs.

 

Initially it looked to be a well designed DAOC remake in an Elderscrolls skin (which was its best chance). Then it started looking like a WOW clone, then press moved against it and it started sounding like GW2, then it started sounding like a singleplayer ES game with MMO bits tacked on. Its a mess and the devs don't seem to have any coherent vision.

  ThomasN7

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12/09/13 11:28:24 PM#50
We don't need an Elder Scrolls online. What  people would prefer is a 4 player co-op Elder Scrolls game.  In my opinion this game will fail harder than SWTOR.
  Ender4

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12/09/13 11:38:45 PM#51


Originally posted by makasouleater69

Originally posted by kabitoshin After seeing how great FFXIV looks, and how smooth the game runs, ESO graphics kinda dissapoint.
    I dont understand this thing people have about mmos cant have good graphics. You got a good example there, final fantasy has great graphics. 

   Not to mention that vanguard saga of heros, has better graphics then ESO, and is more true to being realistic and skyrim style then ESO. 


So two really awful MMORPG have good graphics so we are all set? There has never been a good MMORPG with high end graphics, the technology just isn't there yet. The best graphical MMORPG that is actually done right from a gameplay standpoint is GW2 and that isn't considered a great graphical game by most.

  Arglebargle

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12/10/13 12:56:14 AM#52
Originally posted by Tibernicuspa

Its because its obvious its being run by publishers, not by devs.

 

Initially it looked to be a well designed DAOC remake in an Elderscrolls skin (which was its best chance). Then it started looking like a WOW clone, then press moved against it and it started sounding like GW2, then it started sounding like a singleplayer ES game with MMO bits tacked on. Its a mess and the devs don't seem to have any coherent vision.

Don't think it had a good chance, period.   When you don the Elderscrolls skin, you get the Elderscrolls expectations.   They made a ton of decisions early in the process that ended up not sitting well with their fanbase.   They've tried to fix some (the easy fixes) but some are baked in.   While I expect that the developers are indeed responding to pressure from the publishers, it's probably because they're getting a lot of negative feedback on the original design.  Whether the grafted bits will work, who knows?   I could ignore the RvR, but the racial factioning was just a lazy, easy, out. Instead of having factions that you could join, they set them up in a slipshod manner. I understand one of the excuses for going racial factioning was that the players would have too hard a time telling warring parties apart. If that's not dumbing down....  

 

It's understandable them going for RvR as endgame, because no dev can create content fast enough for even moderate players.  But walling off the world, plus the inherent design decisions that brings with it, was a mistake.

 

They should really focus on the console market, where the expectations are lower.

If you are holding out for the perfect game, the only game you play will be the waiting one.

  Drew213

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12/10/13 1:35:25 AM#53

      They should of asked the Elder scrolls modding community, and the major modders in that for help in making the mmo lol. They would of had a much better game. 

 

Amen. I have seen this happen to many times were game makers think we had this great game so many years ago and we know what we are doing. Forget the hours of feedback from our community we help build. Lets forsake them for our own glory. Lets put console ahead of PC games now, lets forget the road that lead us to the new promise land and FORSAKE the PC gamers who put on their backs the GLORY of wealth and successes of what is now a Billion dollar industry. Lets forget what made us great, ordinal and O BTW different and lets do this because we think we can. Lets listen to the CFO/CEO they spend a lot of time with customers and they know whats best for us.

 

So sick of this horse crap attitude of PC gamers are forgotten, crapped on, beta game testers for our console empire. Lets strip them of what we bestowed on them with less and less of the value we can over sell to the console nation because we make $$$$.  

This is all true people, GREAT game, Time less games of history are not built on $$$$ or BS. They are Dreams/Creative art of visual remembrance. COD all that crap has done nothing but perpetuate the destruction of genuine and has created a content less accepted norm that as a whole is the very poison we are all speaking in here.

So guess what? DON'T BY THE GAME, Speak your mind in the forums and let those feelings out, even if the lock the thread and or delete it because its not sunshine GD it. ITs F******* truth, and truth hurts like lifes a B****

  Sephiroso

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12/10/13 2:25:42 AM#54
Originally posted by Ender4

 


Originally posted by makasouleater69

Originally posted by kabitoshin After seeing how great FFXIV looks, and how smooth the game runs, ESO graphics kinda dissapoint.
    I dont understand this thing people have about mmos cant have good graphics. You got a good example there, final fantasy has great graphics. 

 

   Not to mention that vanguard saga of heros, has better graphics then ESO, and is more true to being realistic and skyrim style then ESO. 


 

So two really awful MMORPG have good graphics so we are all set? There has never been a good MMORPG with high end graphics, the technology just isn't there yet. The best graphical MMORPG that is actually done right from a gameplay standpoint is GW2 and that isn't considered a great graphical game by most.

uhhhh....i'm sure me and quite a few others would argue your claim that GW2 was done right from a gameplay standpoint.


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  Purutzil

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12/10/13 2:55:37 AM#55
Originally posted by Sephiroso
Originally posted by Ender4

 


Originally posted by makasouleater69

Originally posted by kabitoshin After seeing how great FFXIV looks, and how smooth the game runs, ESO graphics kinda dissapoint.
    I dont understand this thing people have about mmos cant have good graphics. You got a good example there, final fantasy has great graphics. 

 

   Not to mention that vanguard saga of heros, has better graphics then ESO, and is more true to being realistic and skyrim style then ESO. 


 

So two really awful MMORPG have good graphics so we are all set? There has never been a good MMORPG with high end graphics, the technology just isn't there yet. The best graphical MMORPG that is actually done right from a gameplay standpoint is GW2 and that isn't considered a great graphical game by most.

uhhhh....i'm sure me and quite a few others would argue your claim that GW2 was done right from a gameplay standpoint.

This.... and I'd claim the graphics were done right (For the most part, more nitpick stuff). Heck, thats one of the few areas I think GW2 did an actual good job on. XD

  reef22

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12/10/13 3:10:53 AM#56

I was beta testing the other weekend and I don't think I'm suppose to say anything about the game.  Although one thing I can say is that it's great that they decided to make a MMO but the whole time I'm playing the game, I couldn't help but to compare it to Skyrim or Oblivion.  I'm not saying it's a good thing or a bad thing, I'm just saying that they need to be aware that they have big shoes to fill.  

  mad-hatter

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12/10/13 3:14:54 AM#57
IMO, game is trash.  The combat system is terrible, although I'd argue that even though I love the ES series, the combat has never been it's strong point.  Graphics were ok at best, everything just felt so rushed and you can clearly tell it's dumbed down for console play.  It might do well, but I for one am opting out of this one.  It's really the combat that got to me, being an avid pvper, it felt way too clunky even for it's style of combat.  Beta or not, we all know beta's nowadays rarely change much up to release.  Sad too, I had really high hopes for this one. 
  Tibernicuspa

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12/10/13 7:19:12 AM#58
Originally posted by Arglebargle
Originally posted by Tibernicuspa

Its because its obvious its being run by publishers, not by devs.

 

Initially it looked to be a well designed DAOC remake in an Elderscrolls skin (which was its best chance). Then it started looking like a WOW clone, then press moved against it and it started sounding like GW2, then it started sounding like a singleplayer ES game with MMO bits tacked on. Its a mess and the devs don't seem to have any coherent vision.

Don't think it had a good chance, period.   When you don the Elderscrolls skin, you get the Elderscrolls expectations.   They made a ton of decisions early in the process that ended up not sitting well with their fanbase. 

The singleplayer fanbase, aka, the fanbase that wouldn't stick with the game very long, regardless of how similar it was to ES singleplayer games. That isn't the fanbase they should have tried to please. SWTOR tried to please singleplayer fans and all that got them was bankrupt.

RvR is the best design decision this game has. There's a reason DAoC was one of the most popular, best loved MMOs of all time, and that requires locked factions.

  Phry

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12/10/13 7:36:27 AM#59
Originally posted by Tibernicuspa
Originally posted by Arglebargle
Originally posted by Tibernicuspa

Its because its obvious its being run by publishers, not by devs.

 

Initially it looked to be a well designed DAOC remake in an Elderscrolls skin (which was its best chance). Then it started looking like a WOW clone, then press moved against it and it started sounding like GW2, then it started sounding like a singleplayer ES game with MMO bits tacked on. Its a mess and the devs don't seem to have any coherent vision.

Don't think it had a good chance, period.   When you don the Elderscrolls skin, you get the Elderscrolls expectations.   They made a ton of decisions early in the process that ended up not sitting well with their fanbase. 

The singleplayer fanbase, aka, the fanbase that wouldn't stick with the game very long, regardless of how similar it was to ES singleplayer games. That isn't the fanbase they should have tried to please. SWTOR tried to please singleplayer fans and all that got them was bankrupt.

RvR is the best design decision this game has. There's a reason DAoC was one of the most popular, best loved MMOs of all time, and that requires locked factions.

RvR with locked factions however, was also one of the reasons why DAoC is, and remains a niche game, much the same way that Eve online is a niche game, and if thats the relative size of the playerbase that their aiming for, then chances are they will be moderately 'successful'.  But its worth bearing in mind however that this particular demographic, probably doesnt include the players that would normally play Elder Scrolls games, a rehash of DAoC was not going to be a winning or popular choice, particularly in a game that is so heavily instanced. And that is just the tip of the iceberg of the list of issues that fans of the Elder Scrolls games have. In a way, the fact that they are trying to use the TES ip in this fashion, might be a huge negative factor, they might have been better off not using it, at least that way, the TES crowd would not be on their case because, they actually want something in the game that is TES related in some way

or to put it another way, sticking a ferrari tag on a citroen wouldnt make the car popular with the sports car owning crowd, though it might get you a few laughs

 

  coretex666

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12/10/13 7:37:39 AM#60
Originally posted by Sovrath

Is it a division between MMO players and hardcore TES fans?

yes

And those on the mmo side are concerned that it will be just another WoW clone.

I do not think it is necessarily correct.

I would say it is more about:

a) People who are glad that an MMO from ES universe will come to existence which is somewhat enough for them to look forward to the game. These people are represented by ES fans. They are used to certain quality standard and level of entertainment offered by single player ES games and they simply like the lore / universe of ES.

b) Sceptics who have been disappointed by MMOs in the past who see ESO for what it really is. A bunch of developers came up with an MMO design based around 3 faction pvp. To make it more attractive for potential customers, they decided to put their game into an ES universe even though such design does not fit in ES universe at all (does it?). I am convinced that the original idea was not to make ES MMO, but to make an MMO with this design and then they simply wrapped it in ES package which is not how you make an Elder Scrolls MMORPG which the fans of the series deserve or desire, in my opinion. It puts me personally to group b) which means that I have practically zero interest in this game which is even amplified by the fact that they have not yet announced a single feature that would seem to be innovative, fresh, or promis longevity in any way.

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