Trending Games | Elder Scrolls Online | World of Warcraft | Swordsman | WildStar

  Network:  FPSguru RTSguru
Login:  Password:   Remember?  
Show Quick Gamelist Jump to Random Game
Members:2,736,938 Users Online:0
Games:714  Posts:6,175,910
Recent forum postsRSS
Active threads
Cloud view
List all forums
General Forums
Developers Corner General Discussion
Popular Game Forums
Click a status to find game forum
Game Forums
Click a letter to find game forum
A-C
2029 Online 2112: Revolution 2Moons 4Story 8BitMMO 9 Dragons A Mystical Land A Tale in the Desert III A3 ACE Online ARGO Online Aberoth Absolute Force Online Absolute Terror Achaea Adellion Aerrevan Aetolia, the Midnight Age Age of Armor Age of Conan Age of Empires Online Age of Mourning Age of Wulin Age of Wushu Aida Arenas Aika Aion Albion Online Alganon All Points Bulletin (APB) Allods Online Altis Gates Amazing World Anarchy Online Ancients of Fasaria Andromeda 5 Angels Online Anime Trumps Anmynor Anno Online Applo Arcane Hearts Arcane Legends ArchLord ArcheAge Archeblade Archlord X Asda 2 Asda Story Ashen Empires Asheron's Call Asheron's Call 2 Astera Online Astonia III Astro Empires Astro Lords: Oort CLoud Asura Force Atlantica Online Atriarch Aura Kingdom Aurora Blade Auto Assault Avatar Star Battle Dawn Battle Dawn Galaxies Battle for Graxia Battle of 3 Kingdoms Battle of the Immortals Battlecruiser Online Battlestar Galactica Online Battlestar Reloaded Beyond Protocol Black Aftermath Black Desert Black Gold Black Prophecy Black Prophecy Tactics: Nexus Conflict Blacklight Retribution Blade & Soul Blade Hunter Blade Wars Blazing Throne Bless Blitz 1941 Blood and Jade Bloodlines Champions Bounty Bay Online Brain Storm Brawl Busters. Brick-Force Bright Shadow Bullet Run Business Tycoon Online CTRacer Cabal Online Caesary Call of Camelot Call of Gods Call of Thrones Camelot Unchained Canaan Online Cardmon Hero Cartoon Universe CasinoRPG Castle Empire Castlot Celtic Heroes Champions Online Champions of Regnum Chaos Online Chrono Tales Citadel of Sorcery CitiesXL Citizen Zero City of Decay City of Heroes City of Steam City of Transformers City of Villains Civilization Online Clan Lord Clash of Clans Cloud Nine Club Penguin Colony of War Command & Conquer: Tiberium Alliances Company of Heroes Online Conquer Online Conquer Online 3 Continent of the Ninth (C9) Core Blaze Core Exiles Corum Online Craft of Gods Crimecraft Crimelife 2 Cronous Crota II Crusaders of Solaris Cultures Online Cyber Monster 2 Céiron Wars
D-F
D&D Online DC Universe DK Online DOTA DOTA 2 DUST 514 DV8: Exile Dalethaan Dance Groove Online Dark Age of Camelot Dark Ages Dark Legends Dark Orbit Dark Relic: Prelude Dark Solstice Dark and Light DarkEden Online DarkSpace Darkblood Online Darkest Dungeon Darkfall Darkfall: Unholy Wars Darkwind: War on Wheels Das Tal Dawn of Fantasy Dawntide DayZ Dead Earth Dead Frontier Deco Online Deepworld Defiance Deicide Online Dekaron Demons at the Horizon Desert Operations Destiny Diablo 3 Diamonin Digimon Battle Dino Storm Disciple Divergence Divina Divine Souls Dofus Dominus Online Dragon Ball Online Dragon Born Online Dragon Crusade Dragon Empires Dragon Eternity Dragon Nest Dragon Oath Dragon Pals Dragon Raja Dragon's Call Dragon's Call II Dragon's Prophet DragonSky DragonSoul Dragona Dragonica Dragons and Titans Dream of Mirror Online Dreamland Online Dreamlords: The Reawakening Drift City Duels Dungeon Blitz Dungeon Fighter Online Dungeon Overlord Dungeon Party Dungeon Rampage Dungeon Runners Dynastica Dynasty Warriors Online Dynasty of the Magi EIN (Epicus Incognitus) EVE Online Earth Eternal Earth and Beyond Earthrise Eclipse War Ecol Tactics Online Eden Eternal Edge of Space Einherjar - The Viking's Blood Elder Scrolls Online Eldevin Elf Online Elite: Dangerous Embers of Caerus Emil Chronicle Online Empire Empire & State Empire Craft Empire Universe 3 EmpireQuest Empires of Galldon End of Nations Endless Ages Endless Blue Moon Online Endless Online Entropia Universe EpicDuel Erebus: Travia Reborn Eredan Eternal Blade Eternal Lands Eternal Saga Ether Fields Ether Saga Online Eudemons Online EuroGangster EverEmber Online EverQuest Next EverQuest Online Adventures Evernight Everquest Everquest II Evony Exarch Exorace F.E.A.R. Online Face of Mankind Fairyland Online Fall of Rome Fallen Earth Fallen Sword Fallout Online Family Guy Online Fantage Fantasy Earth Zero Fantasy Realm Online Fantasy Tales Online Fantasy Worlds: Rhynn Faunasphere Faxion Online Ferentus Ferion Fiesta Online Final Fantasy XI Final Fantasy XIV: A Realm Reborn Firefall Fists of Fu Florensia Flyff Football Manager Live Football Superstars Force of Arms Forge Forsaken World Fortnite Fortuna Forum for Discussion of Everlight Freaky Creatures Free Realms Freesky Online Freeworld Fung Wan Online Furcadia Fury Fusion Fall
G-L
GalaXseeds Galactic Command Online Game of Thrones: Seven Kingdoms Gameglobe Gate To Heavens Gates of Andaron Gatheryn Gauntlet Gekkeiju Online Ghost Online Ghost Recon Online Gladiatus Glitch Global Agenda Global Soccer Gloria Victis Glory of Gods GoGoRacer Goal Line Blitz Gods and Heroes GodsWar Online Golemizer Golf Star GoonZu Online Graal Kingdoms Granado Espada Online Grand Chase Grand Fantasia Grepolis Grimlands Guild Wars Guild Wars 2 Guild Wars Factions Guild Wars Nightfall H1Z1 Habbo Hotel Hailan Rising HaloSphere2 Haven & Hearth Hawken Hearthstone: Heroes of Warcraft Helbreath Hellgate Hellgate: London Hello Kitty Online Hero Online Hero Zero Hero's Journey Hero: 108 Online HeroSmash Heroes & Generals Heroes in the Sky Heroes of Bestia Heroes of Gaia Heroes of Might and Magic Online Heroes of Thessalonica Heroes of Three Kingdoms Heroes of the Storm Hex Holic Online Hostile Space Hunter Blade Huxley Illutia Illyriad Immortals USA Imperator Imperian Inferno Legend Infestation: Survivor Stories Infinite Crisis Infinity Infinity Iris Online Iron Grip: Marauders Irth Worlds Island Forge Islands of War Istaria: Chronicles of the Gifted Jade Dynasty Jagged Alliance Online Juggernaut Jumpgate Jumpgate Evolution KAL Online Kakele Online Kaos War Karos Online Kartuga Kicks Online King of Kings 3 Kingdom Heroes Kingdom Under Fire II Kingdom of Drakkar Kingory Kings and Legends Kings of the Realm KingsRoad Kitsu Saga Kiwarriors Knight Age Knight Online Knights of Dream City Kothuria Kung Foo! Kunlun Online L.A.W. LEGO Universe La Tale Land of Chaos Online Landmark Lands of Hope: Phoenix Edition LastChaos League of Angels League of Legends - Clash of Fates Legend of Edda: Vengeance Legend of Golden Plume Legend of Katha Legend of Mir 2 Legend of Mir 3 Legendary Champions Lego Minifigures Online Life is Feudal Light of Nova Lime Odyssey Line of Defense Lineage Lineage Eternal: Twilight Resistance Lineage II Linkrealms Loong Online Lord of the Rings Online Lords Online Lost Saga Lucent Heart Lunia Lusternia: Age of Ascension Luvinia World
M-Q
MU Online Mabinogi Maestia: Rise of Keledus MagiKnights Magic Barrage Magic World Online Manga Fighter MapleStory Martial Heroes Marvel Heroes Marvel Super Hero Squad Online Marvel: Avengers Alliance MechWarrior Online Megaten Meridian 59 : Evolution Merlin MetalMercs Metaplace Metin 2 MicroVolts Midkemia Online Might & Magic Heroes: Kingdoms MilMo Minecraft Mini Fighter Minions of Mirth Ministry of War Monato Esprit Monkey King Online Monkey Quest Monster & Me Monster Madness Online MonsterMMORPG Moonlight Online: Tales of Eternal Blood Mordavia Mortal Online Mourning My Lands Myst Online: URU Live Myth Angels Online Myth War Myth War 2 Mytheon Mythic Saga Mythos N.E.O Online NIDA Online Nadirim Naviage: The Power of Capital Navy Field Need for Speed World Nemexia Neo's Land NeoSteam Neocron Nether Neverwinter Nexus: The Kingdom Of The Winds NinjaTrick NosTale Novus Aeterno Oberin Odin Quest Odyssey RPG Ogre Island Omerta 3 Online Boxing Manager Onverse Order & Chaos Online Order of Magic Original Blood Origins Return Origins of Malu Orion's Belt Otherland Forums OverSoul Overkings Oz Online Oz World Pandora Saga Pantheon: Rise of the Fallen Panzar Parabellum Parallel Kingdom Parfait Station Path of Exile Pathfinder Online Perfect World Perpetuum Online Phantasy Star Online 2 Phantasy Star Universe Phoenix Dynasty Online Phylon Pi Story Picaroon Pirate Galaxy Pirate Storm Pirate101 PirateKing Online Pirates of the Burning Sea Pirates of the Caribbean Online Pixie Hollow Planeshift Planet Arkadia Planet Calypso PlanetSide 2 Planetside Planets³ Playboy Manager Pocket Legends Pockie Ninja Pockie Pirates Pockie Saints PoxNora Prime World Prime: Battle for Dominus Priston Tale Priston Tale II Prius Online Project Blackout Project Powder Project Titan Forums Project Wiki Puzzle Pirates Quickhit Football
R-S
R2 Online RAN Online RF Online ROSE Online Rage of 3 Kingdoms Ragnarok Online Ragnarok Online II RaiderZ Rakion Rappelz RappelzSEA Ravenmarch Realm Fighter Realm of the Mad God Realm of the Titans Realms Online Reclamation Red Stone Red War: Edem's Curse Regnum Online Remnant Knights Renaissance Repulse Requiem: Memento Mori Rift RiotZone Rise Rise of Dragonian Era Rise of Empire Rise of the Tycoon Rising of King Risk Your Life Rivality Rockfree Rohan: Blood Feud Role Play Worlds Roll n Rock Roma Victor Romadoria Rosh Online Roto X Rubies of Eventide Ruin Online Rumble Fighter Runes of Magic Runescape Rust Rusty Hearts Ryzom S4 League SAGA SD Gundam Capsule Fighter Online SMITE SUN Sagramore Salem SaySayGirls Scarlet Blade Scions of Fate Seal Online: Evolution Second Life Secret of the Solstice Seed Serenia Fantasy Seven Seas Saga Seven Souls Online Sevencore Shadow of Legend Shadowbane Shadowrun Online Shaiya Shards Online Shattered Galaxy Sho Online Shot Online Shroud of the Avatar SideQuest Siege on Stars Sigonyth: Desert Eternity Silkroad Online Skyblade Skyforge SmashMuck Champions Smoo Online Soldier Front Soul Master Soul Order Online Soul of Guardian Space Heroes Universe Sparta: War of Empires Spellcasters Sphere Spiral Knights Spirit Tales Splash Fighters Squad Wars Star Citizen Star Sonata 2 Star Stable Star Supremacy Star Trek Online Star Trek: Infinite Space Star Wars Galaxies Star Wars: Clone Wars Adventures Star Wars: The Old Republic StarQuest Online Stargate Worlds Starlight Story Starpires State of Decay SteelWar Online Stone Age 2 Stormfall: Age of War Storybricks Stronghold Kingdoms Sudden Attack Supremacy 1914 Supreme Destiny Sword Girls Sword of Destiny: Rise of Aions SwordX Swords of Heavens Swordsman
T-Z
TERA TS Online Tabula Rasa Tactica Online Tales Runner Tales of Fantasy Tales of Pirates Tales of Pirates II Tales of Solaris Talisman Online Tamer Saga Tank Ace Tantra Online Tatsumaki: Land at War Terra Militaris TerraWorld Online Thang Online The 4th Coming The Agency The Aurora World The Black Watchmen The Chronicle The Chronicles of Spellborn The Crew The Division The Hammers End The Legend of Ares The Lost Titans The Matrix Online The Mighty Quest for Epic Loot The Missing Ink The Mummy Online The Myth of Soma The Pride of Taern The Realm Online The Repopulation The Secret World The Sims Online The Strategems The West Theralon There Therian Saga Thrones of Chaos Tibia Tibia Micro Edition Tiger Knight Titan Siege Titans of Time Toontown Online Top Speed Topia Online Torchlight Total Domination Transformers Universe Traveller AR Travia Online Travian Trials of Ascension Tribal Hero Tribal Wars Tribes Universe Trickster Online Trove Troy Online True Fantasy Live Online Turf Battles Twelve Sky Twelve Sky 2 Twilight War Tynon U.B. Funkeys UFO Online URDEAD Online Ultima Forever: Quest for the Avatar Ultima Online Ultima X: Odyssey Ultimate Naruto Ultimate Soccer Boss Uncharted Waters Online Undercover 2: Merc Wars Underlight Unification Wars Universe Online Utopia Valkyrie Sky Vampire Lord Online Vanguard: Saga of Heroes Vanquish Space Vector City Racers Vendetta Online Victory - Age of Racing Vindictus Virtonomics Vis Gladius Visions of Zosimos VoidExpanse Voyage Century Online W.E.L.L. Online WAR (Warhammer Online) WAR2 Glory WYD Global Wakfu War Thunder War of 2012 War of Angels War of Legends War of Mercenaries War of Thrones War of the Immortals WarFlow Waren Story Wargame1942 Warhammer 40,000: Eternal Crusade Warhammer 40K: Dark Millennium Online Warhammer Online: Wrath of Heroes Warkeepers Warrior Epic Wartune WebLords Wild West Online WildStar Wind of Luck WindSlayer 2 Wings of Destiny Wish Wizard101 Wizardry Online Wizards and Champions Wonder King Wonderland Online World Golf Tour World of Battles World of Darkness World of Heroes World of Kung Fu World of Pirates World of Speed World of Tanks World of Tanks Generals World of Warcraft World of Warplanes World of Warships World of the Living Dead WorldAlpha Wurm Online Xenocell Xiah Xsyon Xulu YS Online Yitien ZU Online Zentia Zero Online Zero Online: The Andromeda Crisis Zodiac Online Zombies Ate My Pizza eRepublik

MMORPG.com Discussion Forums

World of Warcraft

World of Warcraft 

General Discussion  » Of how i lost my WoW guild to Bob. (rant/vent)

7 Pages « 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 » Search
125 posts found
  Coman

Elite Member

Joined: 8/29/04
Posts: 1937

12/08/13 4:37:51 AM#21

The problem was that you had no vision or if you had you did not stick to it. You made it a raid guild because people wanted to. At that point you should have stood you ground and have said "No I want my guild to be this and this". Something like this happend to me as well. However I never lost my position because the two co-founder where good friends of mine. 

However I did lose grip of the guild (one of the biggest guild on the server in WAR at that point). Simply because we did not stick to the vision we wanted. I tried to still stand for it, but we lost and the guild merged with an other guild. The problem here as well was that we had a vision, but did not stick to it. 

We became to big for our own good. I however on the other hand did enjoy it. The politics and all (we had a bob like figure in our guild) . You enjoyed yourself in those 6 months I assume? If so then you did not waste 6 month, if you did not then being removed as a guild leader is a good thing for you.  It should be fun.

  zymurgeist

Elite Member

Joined: 12/24/04
Posts: 5177

12/08/13 4:41:11 AM#22
Originally posted by MmoFluff

By the way, it´s not that i am claiming i did nothing wrong, and i do acknowledge i should have been more proactive and  fought way harder to protect my interests,  i simply needed to vent because whichever the case is, it still sucks and is not a pleasant pill to swallow.

I have learned from the experience though.

Here's the thing. It's pretty easy to take over running something someone already built. It's much harder to build something from scratch. Maybe you should play to your strengths and build a new guild. A series of new guilds. Release them into the world like children and see if they thrive.  You brought people together be very proud of that but it's time to move on. Start anew you'll probably enjoy that more anyway.

"Strong and bitter words indicate a weak cause" ~Victor Hugo

  marz.at.play

Advanced Member

Joined: 5/08/08
Posts: 912

nanu nanu

12/08/13 5:01:07 AM#23
Meh, don't sweat it. I was a Guild leader of a number of different PvP guilds over the course of 7 years in the original GW . The first Guild loss is hardest but you get over it and move on. Look back at it and if you learned something from the experience then move on, don't look back, and like many here advise, start another Guild if that is what you enjoyed. Don't forget to have fun, it's only a game. 

  Stizzled

Gumshoe

Joined: 9/13/07
Posts: 982

Kill Your Heroes

12/08/13 5:04:03 AM#24

I went through something very similar myself. I ran a guild in vanilla for years, was quite proud of the group of people I had gathered up.

 

Like you, we tried to make the push into raiding. Really, it's pretty much the same story as yours. Recruited a very friendly and helpful guy into the guild, set him up as our raid leader and we did pretty well. That is until It got to the point where he wanted to make most, if not all, of the decisions about our guild. Then tried to take over the guild, asking me to hand over leadership, which I refused to do.

 

In the end most of my guild was gone. They followed him, created a guild that didn't do so well, and eventually were absorbed by another guild. I was left with the few members that the guild had started out with, those loyal friends that I had met and invited as we were leveling. But, it wasn't the same. Slowly we went separate ways, joining different raiding guilds, and it was all over.

 

So, I know how you feel. It's a funny thing to watch something you've built up crumble, or in your case, be left behind by it.

 

 

  AreWeLive

Advanced Member

Joined: 12/06/12
Posts: 68

12/08/13 5:18:24 AM#25

Well i would not really say this was your fault and certainly would not blame Bob.

 There are different types of players that have played WoW since the beginning, not all are hard core, not all care about end game, to some fishing, completing quests failing in instance runs but having fun laughing about it is what they are about. To some WoW is just a game, not serious stuff.

 Anyway, you made a casual leveling guild, after a while some of your members said they want to raid (happens in every guild) and you agreed,. Then after completing some runs and being successful things started to change. as time goes on new members came in and the next thing you know the guild has become a serious raiding guild and the serious members wanted the guy that led them there to become the new guild leader..

 I do not think Bob came into the guild expecting this, i do think as the guild progressed your raiders just wanted the guy that was actually leading the guild in this to run things, so votes happened and you went wit it.

 You did not do anything wrong except lose your focus/vision of your guild, you wanted a casual lvling guild but for what ever reason you decided to change your guilds mission. When you started to raid had you made it clear you wanted to keep it light and drama free you could have kept it as a casual and light guild. The guys that wanted to be serious about raiding would have moved on to other guilds that offered what they wanted.

 So, whats done is done and now you know more of what you want your game to be like, what you do from here is up to you, Time to just put it behind you and move on.

  Teh_Axi

Apprentice Member

Joined: 9/21/08
Posts: 403

12/08/13 5:36:02 AM#26

And?

You made a successful guild and it out grew you.

  User Deleted
12/08/13 5:53:21 AM#27
Originally posted by MmoFluff

 

And here i sit, thinking i have lost over half a year of gaming helping a bunch of ingrates.

This is just how people are. It's sad but true. Loyalty is an extremely rare and precious thing in this world. What you experienced is to be expected, sorry to say. Chalk it up to a lesson learned.

 

And WoW of all games caters to people who want shiny new items. Of course, they will support whoever they think will get them the items first. It's a gogogogo mentality.  It's all about the loot rolls.

 

Think about today's society. Have you ever worked at a company? Any job is just the same. Everything is "just business - nothing personal,"  now. 

 

Welcome to the real world. You're best off just forming a guild with RL friends, if you're lucky enough to have RL friends that play a game you like.

 

Edit: Solar_Prophet is right.

  aesperus

Elite Member

Joined: 1/04/05
Posts: 4575

12/08/13 5:54:40 AM#28
Originally posted by MmoFluff

Fast forward a  couple months, and about 70% of the guild "voted" him as the new Guild Master and pretty much pressured me into giving the mantle of leadership to him, and did so til i gave in and made him the leader.

One month later i lost my regular raid position as there were already two guildies with my class/spec that were way better geared than myself and i now find myself sitting in a forgotten corner of the guild i made to help this people, as they fly off to success with Bob, and will probably end up leaving it as there is no longer a place in it for me.

And here i sit, thinking i have lost over half a year of gaming helping a bunch of ingrates.

No offense, but it sounds like you're way too much of a pushover.

There's nothing wrong with being the nice guy, but you should not let that make you forget the things you want. For starters, you should never have given him guild lead, unless u were planning on stepping down anyway. It should not have even gotten far enough to be put to a vote.

This type of situation isn't unique to raiding, guilds, or Warcraft. This situation happens often, and will likely not be the last time you run into such a situation in life if you find yourself in leadership roles. Anytime you are a position of power / importance, there will be people who will want to take that from you.

In short you need to stand up for yourself. Take control of the situation. It's great that you are letting people help, but be aware of the social situation. If someone starts over stepping their boundaries, than put your foot down. You are (were) the guild leader after all.

As long as you are someone who is consistently being friendly & helpful to others, you will have people that will stand by you.

I used to run some guilds a few years back (before I decided it was too much time), and I always made my stance clear from the start. It was my guild, anyone who didn't like the guild's direction was free to leave, but I was open to suggestions & ideas from it's members. I had people who thought they knew better than me, and I told them they were free to leave if they weren't happy. Some did, some didn't. At the end of the day all that mattered were that people were having fun, and things were running smoothly. You can't let the 'Bob's run the show. It's entirely up to you.

  matiasvidal

Apprentice Member

Joined: 3/20/13
Posts: 19

12/08/13 6:08:18 AM#29

If your guildies made it into a raid guild when you didn't even want to, it means you never had a direction for the guild. You didn't lose it, because you never had it.

 

Think about it, you probably never were the leader of anyone, but Bob was. Now it just shows in-game rather than being a convention. It was always the same though, probably.

  User Deleted
12/08/13 6:10:37 AM#30

There is a lot of good advice in here.

 

Just /gquit and start another one. Sounds like you know what to do now. 

  Vonatar

Hard Core Member

Joined: 7/18/10
Posts: 553

12/08/13 6:12:07 AM#31

Sad story, although I confess to being the "Bob" in your story way back when I played WoW and was in a sleepy little guild that wanted to go raiding. I led them to ZG, AQ20 and MC and became so popular for it that the leader was always on my case, whining about how people liked me more than her and ignored her all the time. I didn't try to edge her out though, I just enjoyed having a fan base :P

 

It's true you didn't stand up for yourself, and you didn't play politics. The moral in this story is that nice guys (like yourself) don't make successful leaders because they bend too easily to public opinion and don't watch their backs.

  klash2def

Advanced Member

Joined: 11/15/11
Posts: 109

(/O_o)/ mods please close thread.

12/08/13 6:12:26 AM#32

Hey man i understand exactly what you must feel right now.. the burn and the sting of being pushed out of something you created is going to take some time. I started a very popular guild back in cata on WOW (which i havent played since partly cause of the guild thing/game changes) .. I wont name the guild but it was a RP-PVP guild on WRA that has since become very popular and is still active today i believe its been three years now.. but anyway.. same idea.. i started this new idea... it took off.. got some people in.. one of the people, i actually GAVE her lead to the guild because I was in college at the time and my schedule did not allow me to GM anymore. I choose her because of how helpful she was to the guild.

The guild was happy with us both sort of "co leading", but the problem was..the more i started being away for school stuff.. more things changed.  i had implemented a lot of ideas and the new GM was changing those ideas to something else causing a split in the guild.. the drama that happened because of this was one of the reasons i quit the game. I went from playing everyday for hours to only about 2-3 days a week for maybe 2 hour sessions..

I did not expect to be pushed into a corner of the guild either as the GM slowly got rid of "my supporters" one by one.. till it was only me vs "her people" and once that happened i realized my time was up.  

I  check the guild site from time to time (once every 12 months or so)  and they recently celebrated a three year anniversary.. go figure!  im glad the guild is still alive and kicking but if i were to return I would more than likely switch servers and go Horde.  I dont think I could return to guild even after all this time. Its too taxing. 

My advice to you is to just cut your losses.. accept what has happened and learn from it.. move on.. its going to bother you to see the guild in game im sure it is..because you created it.. the best thing to do is to take a break from the game, change servers, switch sides do anything like that but whatever you do dont sit around thinking about what couldve been or thinking about how bad you think you were treated.. at the end of the day its not going to change the fact that you arent wanted or needed anymore in the guild. Just try to move on. 

 

 

  Naowut

Novice Member

Joined: 1/17/07
Posts: 657

12/08/13 6:13:16 AM#33

As much as they like to deny it the hardcore players crave leadership.

Casuals want a friend but when you switched to raiding they wanted a leader. And apparently that just isnt you.

 

Also democracy is dumb, rule like a tyrant ;V

  Carnicide

Apprentice Member

Joined: 4/14/13
Posts: 195

12/08/13 6:52:36 AM#34
Hey MMOFluff Please if you start a new one could you let me know? It seems your'e setting up a guild environment I've been looking for. I'm experienced raider from the Vanilla days, and Cata days. However since then I just want a "home" with a bunch of people to have fun with. What server faction are you on?
  LittleBoot

Advanced Member

Joined: 11/08/13
Posts: 336

12/08/13 7:19:56 AM#35
Originally posted by MmoFluff

This is mostly a "vent" thread as this has just happened to me and i am not sure on how to take it on, and i wonder if anyone had a similar experience at some point in their MMO careers.

I am an old vanilla WoW player and after so much time playing the game i was feeling a bit bored and wanted to do something different to the usual progressing, so i decided to tackle a facet i had never considered before: Guild Leading.

I decided to make a guild where all the new/returning players could join to learn the ropes,  because i thought it would be fun to help and assist dozens of new players as they followed the path i followed so many years before.

Things went well and a few months into it the guild had grown solid and many players had become friends and wanted to transform the guild into something more, into a raiding guild, to which i agreed, and despite my lack of experience in the leading role, i did my best and we even got a few nice completions and kills.

It was then when this guy, let´s call him "Bob", joined my guild.

Bob was extremely experienced (raidwise), very helpful and had one of those magnetic personalities everyone (me included) seems to love, and a few weeks later and many successful boss kills (with his help) forward everyone wanted for him to become an officer, to which i agreed.

But then things turned sour for me.

Despite the fact i had been helping, supporting and providing for them for over half a year,  suddenly everything in the guild was about Bob and it felt like every single decision or activity that mattered was lead and organized by bob.

Since it mostly was good for the guild, i decided not to make a big fuss about it and i simply made myself as helpful as i could be ( as i always had done) but the more i did the less it was appreciated and Bob got the merit for everything.

Fast forward a  couple months, and about 70% of the guild "voted" him as the new Guild Master and pretty much pressured me into giving the mantle of leadership to him, and did so til i gave in and made him the leader.

One month later i lost my regular raid position as there were already two guildies with my class/spec that were way better geared than myself and i now find myself sitting in a forgotten corner of the guild i made to help this people, as they fly off to success with Bob, and will probably end up leaving it as there is no longer a place in it for me.

And here i sit, thinking i have lost over half a year of gaming helping a bunch of ingrates.

Its a game, people want to play with the person who will help them 'win' it.  Try not to take it personally, it is hard not to, but is is a bunch of people playing a game- it isn't Walking Dead.  

 

In fact, I'll add more.  I remember back in BC I joined a guild of older players.  The leader was a nice girl but a little absent/ inexperienced.  There were calls for me to become leader- I resisted (I am not an arsehat- I think).  The guild stumbled on being fairly casual.  Then in time it was torn apart by people leaving/ setting up different guilds etc.  That was the end of that.

People want leadership or power.  They crave it like a fat woman craves cake.   

  Terranah

Apprentice Member

Joined: 7/03/04
Posts: 3612

12/08/13 7:36:15 AM#36

Well you have my sympathies.  I was a guild leader too once and got screwed.  Never again.  You put too much time and emotion and energy into it.  If I want drama I can call my mother.

 

But to those who take the mantle and wear it well, you have my appreciation and admiration.

  LittleBoot

Advanced Member

Joined: 11/08/13
Posts: 336

12/08/13 7:42:23 AM#37
Originally posted by Robokapp
Originally posted by MmoFluff

This is mostly a "vent" thread as this has just happened to me and i am not sure on how to take it on, and i wonder if anyone had a similar experience at some point in their MMO careers.

I am an old vanilla WoW player and after so much time playing the game i was feeling a bit bored and wanted to do something different to the usual progressing, so i decided to tackle a facet i had never considered before: Guild Leading.

I decided to make a guild where all the new/returning players could join to learn the ropes,  because i thought it would be fun to help and assist dozens of new players as they followed the path i followed so many years before.

Things went well and a few months into it the guild had grown solid and many players had become friends and wanted to transform the guild into something more, into a raiding guild, to which i agreed, and despite my lack of experience in the leading role, i did my best and we even got a few nice completions and kills.

It was then when this guy, let´s call him "Bob", joined my guild.

Bob was extremely experienced (raidwise), very helpful and had one of those magnetic personalities everyone (me included) seems to love, and a few weeks later and many successful boss kills (with his help) forward everyone wanted for him to become an officer, to which i agreed.

But then things turned sour for me.

Despite the fact i had been helping, supporting and providing for them for over half a year,  suddenly everything in the guild was about Bob and it felt like every single decision or activity that mattered was lead and organized by bob.

Since it mostly was good for the guild, i decided not to make a big fuss about it and i simply made myself as helpful as i could be ( as i always had done) but the more i did the less it was appreciated and Bob got the merit for everything.

Fast forward a  couple months, and about 70% of the guild "voted" him as the new Guild Master and pretty much pressured me into giving the mantle of leadership to him, and did so til i gave in and made him the leader.

One month later i lost my regular raid position as there were already two guildies with my class/spec that were way better geared than myself and i now find myself sitting in a forgotten corner of the guild i made to help this people, as they fly off to success with Bob, and will probably end up leaving it as there is no longer a place in it for me.

And here i sit, thinking i have lost over half a year of gaming helping a bunch of ingrates.

so Bob pushed a full-on rise-to-power campaign and you did nothing to protect your own power.

 

what could have POSSIBLY happened ?

 

It's a little above the scope of games, but what you're looking at here is human beings interracting with one nother. Similar and far worse stories have echoed through New Eden countless times, where another BoB was in a elated situation...:)

 

point is, there's nothing wrong with it. The guy was driven from end to end and everyone else, yourself included went with it. So he became exactly what he wantd to be since nobody tried to stop him.

 

I'm not sure what are you upset about, how else could these actions have played out?  Bob is hardcore. he's motivated, driven and experienced. Anything you can do he can do better. There's a reason hardocre guild masters are typically very agressive and borderline para-military. Because they lead a group of people that every single one of them thinks he can do better. So these leaders must keep them under control or...Bob happens.

 

as an ex- hardcore guild officer, I can tell you I ascended to my position in a similar way. I was offered guild leadership twice, refused it both times. I knew my style and the guild's old style were too different and would rip it apart...but it's trivial to get an officer position in a guild that is below your skill level. TRIVIAL.

This is why everyone hates politicians and MD's- craving that sort of power generally means you are a shit.  

  Smikis

Advanced Member

Joined: 11/27/04
Posts: 1070

12/08/13 7:56:02 AM#38

make him raid leader, problem solved, heck I been in quite few top end guilds while playing wow and getting our server first, in pretty much all of those, guild leader wasnt raider leader, or wasnt best player, as long as he wasnt asshole noone cared

You can make up many official positions to even things out like that

  DMKano

Elite Member

Joined: 6/17/11
Posts: 4547

12/08/13 7:58:47 AM#39

Live and learn.

You can look at any painful event in life as a victim or as a victor.

Its up to each individual to look at their own actions and how they contributed to the event, then pick yourself up, dust yourself off and move on, having learned a valuable lesson.

Feeling sorry for yourself and seeking sympathy will only make you feel small and powerless, again, its everyone's choice.

  eldaris

Advanced Member

Joined: 6/21/06
Posts: 308

12/08/13 8:05:35 AM#40

As others said, you should have stayed guild master and after Bob and his cronies /gquit it to make their raiding guild, you would have a much smaller but friendlier/drama free guild. I saw a few friends doing the same mistake, starting a guild then giving up to pressure to start serious raiding and the whole guild transformed, usual raid guild drama - they had to disband or quit the guild. Unless you enjoy raiding a lot, better to say from the start that the guild will not be a raiding guild and who does not like it is free to leave. Even better is to keep the guild small, inviting only (online or offline) friends which share the same game style as you.

7 Pages « 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 » Search