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  Badaboom

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OP  12/06/13 11:24:33 AM#21
Originally posted by Distopia
Originally posted by Badaboom
 

I doubt you would ever understand but MMO's should not have instances that remove people from the open world.  Random PVP is the best pvp.  This is where the best memories and stories are made.  For me, there is no point in playing an MMO that does not have this.  Why?  Because it is boring.  GW2 is a perfect example.  Beautiful huge game...but it lacks that edge which makes it boring for me. 

WoW did this right with the PVP servers, so the people who enjoy this type of game play had this option.  Some really fond memories of the Tarren Mill fights.  It kept you on edge. 

I currently play Darkfall and it takes it a step further with FFA full loot in an open world.  I was just checking to see what games coming down the pipe offer OWPVP.  No need to hate on that gameplay style as you have plenty of game options in the market open to you and we need to look harder.

From level 10 on you can play in cyrodil, which is nothing but OWPVP.  I'd also argue the best systems are those which allow people to opt out of PVPIng entirely. While also offering good PVP systems for those who want it. SWG and DAOC come to mind. There was no need for a different server ruleset to have the best of both worlds. Play ESO or don't but at least understand that there is OWPVP in the game.

Another thing I'd assume any PVPer would have an interest in is that the engine is designed to allow around 200 on screen at a time with little to no FPS loss, well supposedly.

Sounds like it has potential.  What I don't like about this system is that it's a concentrated pvp area which essentially will boil down to zerg blobs running around exchanging objectives.

  BearKnight

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12/06/13 11:26:35 AM#22
This game is essentially going to be GW2 set in the ElderScrolls universe. So, no, there most likely will not be OWPVP.
  Mardukk

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12/06/13 11:37:08 AM#23
Originally posted by Jimmy562
Originally posted by cura
Originally posted by evilastro
Originally posted by cura
Originally posted by Badaboom
As the title states.  From the little I have seen this game will be pve focused with arena/instanced pvp.  Is this correct?  So no open world pvp?

Unfortunately PVP is limited to only one zone

 

Which makes up 1/3rd of the world and comprises most of the end-game content.

Yeah but its disconnected from the pve part which is a big minus for me. I prefer random pvp when doing my stuff. And no, i didnt gank anybody even once. While taking keeps can entertain me for some time, its usually too zergy for my taste and it bores me after few days/weeks. Dont like instanced CTF and i wish implementing arenas were punished with a death sentence ;-). So, i still say ESOs pvp is pretty unfortunate.

There is PvE in cyrodiil as well so you can get your random pvp.

If this is the case, it is very promising.  I would see no reason to leave Cyro if you can PvE and not fall asleep while doing it.  Hopefully it is very large and packed with PvE content as well.  Also hoping that it is much larger than GW2 WvW.  If they are smart they will put the better gathering/PvE mob loot drops on that continent.

  Boreil

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12/06/13 11:41:07 AM#24
Originally posted by Badaboom
As the title states.  From the little I have seen this game will be pve focused with arena/instanced pvp.  Is this correct?  So no open world pvp?

To answer you question no the pvp is not arena/instance based  as far as cyrodill is concerned pvp is more open world than most other pvp games.

 

 Like has been said many many times by the dev's and on fansites, think Daoc frontiers. Each faction has its own huge open world pve lands to skill up quest explore the story  and  ruins,  dungeons and everything you expect in a ES game.

Then there is Cyrodil,  the center of the world, a huge fully open area full of forts and castles to siege mines farms  towns villages citys caves ruins etc etc, tons of  open world pvp/pve content you to enjoy. They have said you can go there at level 10 and if you wish you could stay there the rest of the game  if you wanted. They said they used the entire hightmap of oblivion  for just this one area so you can bet its going to be vast and not something you just run across in a 30 min trip.

  Holophonist

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12/06/13 11:41:18 AM#25
Originally posted by TalulaRose
Originally posted by cura
Originally posted by evilastro
Originally posted by cura
Originally posted by Badaboom
As the title states.  From the little I have seen this game will be pve focused with arena/instanced pvp.  Is this correct?  So no open world pvp?

Unfortunately PVP is limited to only one zone

 

Which makes up 1/3rd of the world and comprises most of the end-game content.

Yeah but its disconnected from the pve part which is a big minus for me. I prefer random pvp when doing my stuff. And no, i didnt gank anybody even once. While taking keeps can entertain me for some time, its usually too zergy for my taste and it bores me after few days/weeks. Dont like instanced CTF and i wish implementing arenas were punished with a death sentence ;-). So, i still say ESOs pvp is pretty unfortunate.

 

Why would anyone who wants to pvp want to go and hang in an area where the players don't want to PvP....to gank.

 

If you want to pvp then hang in the pvp area, don't see how not having access to people who don't want to pvp would impact your playstyle.

 

That's a pretty narrow opinion you have there.
  Lord.Bachus

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12/06/13 2:00:48 PM#26
Originally posted by cura
Originally posted by evilastro
Originally posted by cura
Originally posted by Badaboom
As the title states.  From the little I have seen this game will be pve focused with arena/instanced pvp.  Is this correct?  So no open world pvp?

Unfortunately PVP is limited to only one zone

 

Which makes up 1/3rd of the world and comprises most of the end-game content.

Yeah but its disconnected from the pve part which is a big minus for me. I prefer random pvp when doing my stuff. And no, i didnt gank anybody even once. While taking keeps can entertain me for some time, its usually too zergy for my taste and it bores me after few days/weeks. Dont like instanced CTF and i wish implementing arenas were punished with a death sentence ;-). So, i still say ESOs pvp is pretty unfortunate.

There is probably just as much PvE in Cyrodil as there is Pvp...

Best MMO experiences : EQ(PvE), DAoC(PvP), WoW(total package) LOTRO (worldfeel) GW2 (Artstyle and animations and worlddesign) SWTOR (Story immersion) TSW (story) ESO (character advancement)

  Iselin

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12/06/13 2:17:30 PM#27
Originally posted by Badaboom
Originally posted by Distopia
Originally posted by Badaboom
 

I doubt you would ever understand but MMO's should not have instances that remove people from the open world.  Random PVP is the best pvp.  This is where the best memories and stories are made.  For me, there is no point in playing an MMO that does not have this.  Why?  Because it is boring.  GW2 is a perfect example.  Beautiful huge game...but it lacks that edge which makes it boring for me. 

WoW did this right with the PVP servers, so the people who enjoy this type of game play had this option.  Some really fond memories of the Tarren Mill fights.  It kept you on edge. 

I currently play Darkfall and it takes it a step further with FFA full loot in an open world.  I was just checking to see what games coming down the pipe offer OWPVP.  No need to hate on that gameplay style as you have plenty of game options in the market open to you and we need to look harder.

From level 10 on you can play in cyrodil, which is nothing but OWPVP.  I'd also argue the best systems are those which allow people to opt out of PVPIng entirely. While also offering good PVP systems for those who want it. SWG and DAOC come to mind. There was no need for a different server ruleset to have the best of both worlds. Play ESO or don't but at least understand that there is OWPVP in the game.

Another thing I'd assume any PVPer would have an interest in is that the engine is designed to allow around 200 on screen at a time with little to no FPS loss, well supposedly.

Sounds like it has potential.  What I don't like about this system is that it's a concentrated pvp area which essentially will boil down to zerg blobs running around exchanging objectives.

If it's done badly like they did with Warhammer Online, yes it will be a keep-flipping chaotic clusterf**k. But WAR had several systemic problems that led to that:

  • No real incentive or significant rewards for holding on to a keep you just took. One of the unique things they're doing here is that the guild that claims a keep can set-up shop there and sell their wares to everyone - not just within the guild which is the default trading mechanics. In a game with no AH (there won't be AHs here) that's a pretty powerful economic incentive to not flip keeps. There may be more incentives we don't know about yet.
  • WAR had both, RvR and scenario PVP - there is no scenario PvP here... and the rewards were faster to get and better in the scenario PvP. Organized RvR had a constant drain of players every time the scenario people were queued for popped... it was ridiculous at times: you finally fight them off and are now ready to take the keep and...poof...there goes a third of your raid teleported away :)
  • WAR was 2-sided not 3. Much easier to scam and pervert the game system to farm points when you don't have to worry about what different ideas the 3rd guy might have.
  ElRenmazuo

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12/06/13 2:23:00 PM#28
Originally posted by cura
Originally posted by evilastro
Originally posted by cura
Originally posted by Badaboom
As the title states.  From the little I have seen this game will be pve focused with arena/instanced pvp.  Is this correct?  So no open world pvp?

Unfortunately PVP is limited to only one zone

 

Which makes up 1/3rd of the world and comprises most of the end-game content.

Yeah but its disconnected from the pve part which is a big minus for me. I prefer random pvp when doing my stuff. And no, i didnt gank anybody even once. While taking keeps can entertain me for some time, its usually too zergy for my taste and it bores me after few days/weeks. Dont like instanced CTF and i wish implementing arenas were punished with a death sentence ;-). So, i still say ESOs pvp is pretty unfortunate.

Cyrodiil also offers PvE content in towns, exploring caves, crumbling towers, and Ayleid ruins, and finding valuable crafting materials that can only be obtained in Cyrodiil.  Im sure you will get random PvP encounters while your doing one fo those in Cyrodil

  Ziegler

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12/06/13 2:35:26 PM#29
Originally posted by Badaboom

I currently play Darkfall and it takes it a step further with FFA full loot in an open world.  I was just checking to see what games coming down the pipe offer OWPVP.  No need to hate on that gameplay style as you have plenty of game options in the market open to you and we need to look harder.

 

 

Well...firstly...

It would need to have an open world . It doesnt.

 

Secondly....

Your..."third continent" will be a...campaign with players from other servers to keep the population high...but not instanced..... 

 

Thirdly...you shoulda asked this in OT. I am sure they have ripped it apart thoroughly by now.

  Iselin

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12/06/13 2:38:45 PM#30
Originally posted by Ziegler
Originally posted by Badaboom

I currently play Darkfall and it takes it a step further with FFA full loot in an open world.  I was just checking to see what games coming down the pipe offer OWPVP.  No need to hate on that gameplay style as you have plenty of game options in the market open to you and we need to look harder.

 

 

Well...firstly...

It would need to have an open world . It doesnt.

 

Secondly....

Your..."third continent" will be a...campaign with players from other servers to keep the population high...but not instanced..... 

 

Thirdly...you shoulda asked this in OT. I am sure they have ripped it apart thoroughly by now.

This is not GW2... there is no "third server"... and there is only one continent.

  Ziegler

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12/06/13 2:47:18 PM#31
Originally posted by Iselin
Originally posted by Ziegler
Originally posted by Badaboom

I currently play Darkfall and it takes it a step further with FFA full loot in an open world.  I was just checking to see what games coming down the pipe offer OWPVP.  No need to hate on that gameplay style as you have plenty of game options in the market open to you and we need to look harder.

 

 

Well...firstly...

It would need to have an open world . It doesnt.

 

Secondly....

Your..."third continent" will be a...campaign with players from other servers to keep the population high...but not instanced..... 

 

Thirdly...you shoulda asked this in OT. I am sure they have ripped it apart thoroughly by now.

This is not GW2... there is no "third server"... and there is only one continent.

http://elderscrolls.wikia.com/wiki/Cyrodiil_(Online)

http://skyrimfansite.com/elder-scrolls-online-pvp-where-do-you-stand/ Campaigns is a word we’ve been hearing a lot about for the last few months and there has been some confusion and questions regarding how the campaigns will work. Let me try and explain how it will work in regards to AvA. When I was speaking with Paul Sage (Creative Director for Elder Scrolls Online) at PAX East about Campaigns, he said the easiest way to explain them is to “think of them as servers”. So essentially, each Campaign is its own server, and what you do in your Campaign won’t affect someone else’s. In the event you and a friend are in different Campaigns you will have an option to transfer to his or his to yours. Campaigns will have a natural ending cycle; there has been no confirmed time for this, it could be anything from three months to six months or even longer. The natural ending for Campaigns are needed to ensure that no one team becomes over-powered by the Elder Scrolls.[/url]

 

 

Sure thing. What ever you say.

  Iselin

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12/06/13 3:47:14 PM#32
Originally posted by Ziegler
Originally posted by Iselin
Originally posted by Ziegler
Originally posted by Badaboom

I currently play Darkfall and it takes it a step further with FFA full loot in an open world.  I was just checking to see what games coming down the pipe offer OWPVP.  No need to hate on that gameplay style as you have plenty of game options in the market open to you and we need to look harder.

 

 

Well...firstly...

It would need to have an open world . It doesnt.

 

Secondly....

Your..."third continent" will be a...campaign with players from other servers to keep the population high...but not instanced..... 

 

Thirdly...you shoulda asked this in OT. I am sure they have ripped it apart thoroughly by now.

This is not GW2... there is no "third server"... and there is only one continent.

http://elderscrolls.wikia.com/wiki/Cyrodiil_(Online)

http://skyrimfansite.com/elder-scrolls-online-pvp-where-do-you-stand/ Campaigns is a word we’ve been hearing a lot about for the last few months and there has been some confusion and questions regarding how the campaigns will work. Let me try and explain how it will work in regards to AvA. When I was speaking with Paul Sage (Creative Director for Elder Scrolls Online) at PAX East about Campaigns, he said the easiest way to explain them is to “think of them as servers”. So essentially, each Campaign is its own server, and what you do in your Campaign won’t affect someone else’s. In the event you and a friend are in different Campaigns you will have an option to transfer to his or his to yours. Campaigns will have a natural ending cycle; there has been no confirmed time for this, it could be anything from three months to six months or even longer. The natural ending for Campaigns are needed to ensure that no one team becomes over-powered by the Elder Scrolls.[/url]

 

 

Sure thing. What ever you say.

Yes, I know all this.

But your "third server" phrase seems to imply that the 3-sides will come from 3 different campaign/servers as is the case in GW2 - they don't. Each Campaign (which can be thought of as a server) gets its 3 sides from the 3 separate factions that never mix except in Cyrodiil - not from 3 different servers/campaigns.

Unless you meant something else and I misunderstood?

  olepi

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12/06/13 3:53:33 PM#33
Is it going to be forced PvP? Or could I join up with ppl from another realm to do PvE in Cryodil?

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  Iselin

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12/06/13 4:25:54 PM#34
Originally posted by olepi
Is it going to be forced PvP? Or could I join up with ppl from another realm to do PvE in Cryodil?

Cyrodiil is always PVP. And you can only join up with people from your own alliance.

Anywhere other than Cyrodiil, there is no PVP...and you won't see anyone but players from your own alliance there.

  Lord.Bachus

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12/07/13 7:50:17 AM#35
Originally posted by Iselin
Originally posted by olepi
Is it going to be forced PvP? Or could I join up with ppl from another realm to do PvE in Cryodil?

Cyrodiil is always PVP. And you can only join up with people from your own alliance.

Anywhere other than Cyrodiil, there is no PVP...and you won't see anyone but players from your own alliance there.

You can also PvE in Cyrodil, just not join with people,of the other realms

 

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12/07/13 7:54:11 AM#36
Originally posted by Lord.Bachus
Originally posted by Iselin
Originally posted by olepi
Is it going to be forced PvP? Or could I join up with ppl from another realm to do PvE in Cryodil?

Cyrodiil is always PVP. And you can only join up with people from your own alliance.

Anywhere other than Cyrodiil, there is no PVP...and you won't see anyone but players from your own alliance there.

You can also PvE in Cyrodil, just not join with people,of the other realms

 

Also keep in mind that with the mega server technology, there will be many sepperated paralel versions of cyrodiil, and you are only allowed to get intoo the pvp shard you are assigned to...

Now assigning will happen based on your guild and friendslist, but if your real life friends are assigned to a different shard, i do not know if it will be possible to join up together for PvP.

 

every few months people are reassigned to pvp shards

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12/07/13 3:29:54 PM#37
Originally posted by Lord.Bachus
Originally posted by Lord.Bachus
Originally posted by Iselin
Originally posted by olepi
Is it going to be forced PvP? Or could I join up with ppl from another realm to do PvE in Cryodil?

Cyrodiil is always PVP. And you can only join up with people from your own alliance.

Anywhere other than Cyrodiil, there is no PVP...and you won't see anyone but players from your own alliance there.

You can also PvE in Cyrodil, just not join with people,of the other realms

 

Also keep in mind that with the mega server technology, there will be many sepperated paralel versions of cyrodiil, and you are only allowed to get intoo the pvp shard you are assigned to...

Now assigning will happen based on your guild and friendslist, but if your real life friends are assigned to a different shard, i do not know if it will be possible to join up together for PvP.

 

every few months people are reassigned to pvp shards

They've said that you can switch campaigns at a cost of "Alliance Points"... the same points that you would otherwise use to enhance your character. So it won't be cheap. There may be other limits on how often you can do it. They don't want people alliance hopping.

(from the Tamriel Foundry development FAQ)

Alliance Ranks

  • There is an alternate advancement system called Alliance Points which are acquired through PvP in Cyrodiil. There are 23 (subject to change) alliance ranks, and players can spend their Alliance points on equipment and character upgrades. High alliance ranks may give your character special titles or symbols next to your nameplate, identifying you as a considerable threat to your foes.
  • Alliance points accumulate through killing enemies and taking objectives in Cyrodiil. This constitutes an alternate advancement system through which the player can earn Alliance Ranks. There are 23 ranks planned for launch, although this number is subject to change.
  • Players will be able to spend Alliance Points on gear and character upgrades. The details of this system are still undergoing development and balancing.
 
 
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12/08/13 9:38:58 AM#38
Originally posted by Badaboom
Originally posted by evilastro

Seems to be a lot of misinformation being peddled about on here.  Badaboom - go read this page, it should give you all the information you need about PvP in ESO:

http://elderscrollsonline.info/pvp

 

A summary of the info is:

  • PvP is located in the central region of world, known as Cyrodiil.  The landmass is approximately 1/3 of the total landmass available in game. There are 3 smaller regions each bordering on Cyrodiil which are home to the 3 factions that will compete over the resources in Cyrodiil.  
  • This is not separate from levelling content, in fact you can level up through PvP much like in GW2 WvW, except that Cyrodiil is actually connected to the game world. You can head to Cyrodiil at level 10, and you will get scaled up to 50, although a level 50 will be more powerful due to having more skills etc.
  • You can support the war efforts through crafting, non-combat activities as well as PvP and assaulting bases (keeps, towns, mines, villages etc).
 
So there you have it.  The game does have open world PvP mixed with levelling content, but only in the contested area.  The lands owned by each alliance are safe PvP free zones, much like the starter areas in WoW and other games.
 
This way they can keep levelling content gank free for those that want it, and there is a place to level through PvP and with open world PvP for those who want that.  It caters to both worlds.

Thanks.  Sounds a little like a combo of GW2 and LOTRO.  Not ideally suited for me and my tastes though.  Appreciate the info.

 

The OP is just trolling. This is yet another 'if its not open world pvp everywhere, it sucks' thread, disguised as a question with umpteen statements to follow.

Comparing ESO PvP to LotRO is beyond stupid. They are nothing alike. LotRO PvP is confined to one relatively small zone. ESO is a huge PvP area where there will also be PvE. There will be keep battles as well as smaller skirmishes. ESO will look a lot like DAoC in terms of the geography and 'openness' of PvP, and DAoC is one of the most popular PvP games of all time. That doesn't even consider the 3 faction setup which sets ESO and DAoC apart from most other games too.

Elladan - ESO (AD)
Camring - SWTOR (Ebon Hawk)
Eol & Justinian - Rift (Faeblight)
Ceol and Duri - LotRO (Landroval)
Kili - WoW
Eol - Lineage 2
Camring - SWG
Justinian (Nimue), Camring - DAoC

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12/08/13 9:47:11 AM#39
Originally posted by Badaboom

Sounds like it has potential.  What I don't like about this system is that it's a concentrated pvp area which essentially will boil down to zerg blobs running around exchanging objectives.

 

You obviously never played DAoC... Yes in any large scale PvP game there will be large armies, that is unavoidable, especially when there are alliance objectives that affect the world (major keeps, etc). But DAoC also had a ton of small scale PvP, and ESO is making sure there are smaller objectives for people who want to play in smaller groups. And of course smaller groups will run around behind enemy lines attacking people moving up to join the main army. Besides, the PvP area is so massive that there is no way that one big army can zerg anything more than one small area at a time, so if you want to avoid the zerg, it shouldn't be hard.

And FYI, 'random' PvP does not need to consist of PvP players jumping PvE players, that is more like ganking than random PvP. Random PvP in DAoC and ESO will be more like stealthers and small groups behind enemy lines killing other small groups, or going after small objectives that can affect the zone campaign.

 

 

Elladan - ESO (AD)
Camring - SWTOR (Ebon Hawk)
Eol & Justinian - Rift (Faeblight)
Ceol and Duri - LotRO (Landroval)
Kili - WoW
Eol - Lineage 2
Camring - SWG
Justinian (Nimue), Camring - DAoC

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12/08/13 10:24:07 AM#40
Originally posted by Eol-
Originally posted by Badaboom
Originally posted by evilastro

Seems to be a lot of misinformation being peddled about on here.  Badaboom - go read this page, it should give you all the information you need about PvP in ESO:

http://elderscrollsonline.info/pvp

 

A summary of the info is:

  • PvP is located in the central region of world, known as Cyrodiil.  The landmass is approximately 1/3 of the total landmass available in game. There are 3 smaller regions each bordering on Cyrodiil which are home to the 3 factions that will compete over the resources in Cyrodiil.  
  • This is not separate from levelling content, in fact you can level up through PvP much like in GW2 WvW, except that Cyrodiil is actually connected to the game world. You can head to Cyrodiil at level 10, and you will get scaled up to 50, although a level 50 will be more powerful due to having more skills etc.
  • You can support the war efforts through crafting, non-combat activities as well as PvP and assaulting bases (keeps, towns, mines, villages etc).
 
So there you have it.  The game does have open world PvP mixed with levelling content, but only in the contested area.  The lands owned by each alliance are safe PvP free zones, much like the starter areas in WoW and other games.
 
This way they can keep levelling content gank free for those that want it, and there is a place to level through PvP and with open world PvP for those who want that.  It caters to both worlds.

Thanks.  Sounds a little like a combo of GW2 and LOTRO.  Not ideally suited for me and my tastes though.  Appreciate the info.

 

The OP is just trolling. This is yet another 'if its not open world pvp everywhere, it sucks' thread, disguised as a question with umpteen statements to follow.

Comparing ESO PvP to LotRO is beyond stupid. They are nothing alike. LotRO PvP is confined to one relatively small zone. ESO is a huge PvP area where there will also be PvE. There will be keep battles as well as smaller skirmishes. ESO will look a lot like DAoC in terms of the geography and 'openness' of PvP, and DAoC is one of the most popular PvP games of all time. That doesn't even consider the 3 faction setup which sets ESO and DAoC apart from most other games too.

On the first point that is probably true.

Secondly what is also true is all the talking points in the world still wont make it OW pvp, its just not. Its centralised RVR maybe coded differently, but it is still centralized RVR. It would be a lie to say if you have played GW2 you don't already have an idea of what is going on to some extent. 

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