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  Badaboom

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OP  12/06/13 9:55:06 AM#1
As the title states.  From the little I have seen this game will be pve focused with arena/instanced pvp.  Is this correct?  So no open world pvp?
  Tibbz

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12/06/13 10:15:45 AM#2
Originally posted by Badaboom
As the title states.  From the little I have seen this game will be pve focused with arena/instanced pvp.  Is this correct?  So no open world pvp?

PvP will be on the massive content of cryodill (you can visit and sty in if you like at 10)  the other regions are pve only.  

  cura

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12/06/13 10:18:39 AM#3
Originally posted by Badaboom
As the title states.  From the little I have seen this game will be pve focused with arena/instanced pvp.  Is this correct?  So no open world pvp?

Unfortunately PVP is limited to only one zone

  Badaboom

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OP  12/06/13 10:23:45 AM#4
thanks guys.
  User Deleted
12/06/13 10:34:49 AM#5
Originally posted by cura
Originally posted by Badaboom
As the title states.  From the little I have seen this game will be pve focused with arena/instanced pvp.  Is this correct?  So no open world pvp?

Unfortunately PVP is limited to only one zone

 

Which makes up 1/3rd of the world and comprises most of the end-game content.

  olepi

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12/06/13 10:40:35 AM#6
PvP is not instanced and not arena based. A large continent is devoted to PvP, and each of the 3 realms borders this large central area.

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RIP City of Heroes. One of my favorite MMO's.

  cura

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12/06/13 11:24:30 AM#7
Originally posted by evilastro
Originally posted by cura
Originally posted by Badaboom
As the title states.  From the little I have seen this game will be pve focused with arena/instanced pvp.  Is this correct?  So no open world pvp?

Unfortunately PVP is limited to only one zone

 

Which makes up 1/3rd of the world and comprises most of the end-game content.

Yeah but its disconnected from the pve part which is a big minus for me. I prefer random pvp when doing my stuff. And no, i didnt gank anybody even once. While taking keeps can entertain me for some time, its usually too zergy for my taste and it bores me after few days/weeks. Dont like instanced CTF and i wish implementing arenas were punished with a death sentence ;-). So, i still say ESOs pvp is pretty unfortunate.

  Jimmy562

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12/06/13 11:32:14 AM#8
Originally posted by cura
Originally posted by evilastro
Originally posted by cura
Originally posted by Badaboom
As the title states.  From the little I have seen this game will be pve focused with arena/instanced pvp.  Is this correct?  So no open world pvp?

Unfortunately PVP is limited to only one zone

 

Which makes up 1/3rd of the world and comprises most of the end-game content.

Yeah but its disconnected from the pve part which is a big minus for me. I prefer random pvp when doing my stuff. And no, i didnt gank anybody even once. While taking keeps can entertain me for some time, its usually too zergy for my taste and it bores me after few days/weeks. Dont like instanced CTF and i wish implementing arenas were punished with a death sentence ;-). So, i still say ESOs pvp is pretty unfortunate.

There is PvE in cyrodiil as well so you can get your random pvp.

  TalulaRose

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12/06/13 11:34:11 AM#9
Originally posted by cura
Originally posted by evilastro
Originally posted by cura
Originally posted by Badaboom
As the title states.  From the little I have seen this game will be pve focused with arena/instanced pvp.  Is this correct?  So no open world pvp?

Unfortunately PVP is limited to only one zone

 

Which makes up 1/3rd of the world and comprises most of the end-game content.

Yeah but its disconnected from the pve part which is a big minus for me. I prefer random pvp when doing my stuff. And no, i didnt gank anybody even once. While taking keeps can entertain me for some time, its usually too zergy for my taste and it bores me after few days/weeks. Dont like instanced CTF and i wish implementing arenas were punished with a death sentence ;-). So, i still say ESOs pvp is pretty unfortunate.

 

Why would anyone who wants to pvp want to go and hang in an area where the players don't want to PvP....to gank.

 

If you want to pvp then hang in the pvp area, don't see how not having access to people who don't want to pvp would impact your playstyle.

  Vidir

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12/06/13 11:41:24 AM#10
Originally posted

Why would anyone who wants to pvp want to go and hang in an area where the players don't want to PvP....to gank.

 

Those who want pvp usually dont play pure pvp games but complain about every other game that is mostly pve for let pvp free in those games so they can bother people that dont want to pvp at all.

  Badaboom

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OP  12/06/13 11:48:24 AM#11
Originally posted by TalulaRose
Originally posted by cura
Originally posted by evilastro
Originally posted by cura
Originally posted by Badaboom
As the title states.  From the little I have seen this game will be pve focused with arena/instanced pvp.  Is this correct?  So no open world pvp?

Unfortunately PVP is limited to only one zone

 

Which makes up 1/3rd of the world and comprises most of the end-game content.

Yeah but its disconnected from the pve part which is a big minus for me. I prefer random pvp when doing my stuff. And no, i didnt gank anybody even once. While taking keeps can entertain me for some time, its usually too zergy for my taste and it bores me after few days/weeks. Dont like instanced CTF and i wish implementing arenas were punished with a death sentence ;-). So, i still say ESOs pvp is pretty unfortunate.

 

Why would anyone who wants to pvp want to go and hang in an area where the players don't want to PvP....to gank.

 

If you want to pvp then hang in the pvp area, don't see how not having access to people who don't want to pvp would impact your playstyle.

I doubt you would ever understand but MMO's should not have instances that remove people from the open world.  Random PVP is the best pvp.  This is where the best memories and stories are made.  For me, there is no point in playing an MMO that does not have this.  Why?  Because it is boring.  GW2 is a perfect example.  Beautiful huge game...but it lacks that edge which makes it boring for me. 

WoW did this right with the PVP servers, so the people who enjoy this type of game play had this option.  Some really fond memories of the Tarren Mill fights.  It kept you on edge. 

I currently play Darkfall and it takes it a step further with FFA full loot in an open world.  I was just checking to see what games coming down the pipe offer OWPVP.  No need to hate on that gameplay style as you have plenty of game options in the market open to you and we need to look harder.

  cura

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12/06/13 11:49:45 AM#12
Originally posted by TalulaRose
Originally posted by cura
Originally posted by evilastro
Originally posted by cura
Originally posted by Badaboom
As the title states.  From the little I have seen this game will be pve focused with arena/instanced pvp.  Is this correct?  So no open world pvp?

Unfortunately PVP is limited to only one zone

 

Which makes up 1/3rd of the world and comprises most of the end-game content.

Yeah but its disconnected from the pve part which is a big minus for me. I prefer random pvp when doing my stuff. And no, i didnt gank anybody even once. While taking keeps can entertain me for some time, its usually too zergy for my taste and it bores me after few days/weeks. Dont like instanced CTF and i wish implementing arenas were punished with a death sentence ;-). So, i still say ESOs pvp is pretty unfortunate.

 

Why would anyone who wants to pvp want to go and hang in an area where the players don't want to PvP....to gank.

 

If you want to pvp then hang in the pvp area, don't see how not having access to people who don't want to pvp would impact your playstyle.

Do i said i want to play with people who prefer other playstyle? No. I want to play with people like me. I dont give a shit about people like you, becouse you obviously are too limited to embrace the idea of having different prefferences.

 

Originally posted by Vidir
Originally posted 

Why would anyone who wants to pvp want to go and hang in an area where the players don't want to PvP....to gank.

 

Those who want pvp usually dont play pure pvp games but complain about every other game that is mostly pve for let pvp free in those games so they can bother people that dont want to pvp at all.

 

Heres an example of another genius. So by your limited world perception i shouldnt even exist becouse how is it possible to like pve and pvp and god forbid maybe some other things like crafting and roleplaying? 

  Vidir

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12/06/13 11:54:28 AM#13
Originally posted by cura
Originally posted by TalulaRose
Originally posted by cura
Originally posted by evilastro
Originally posted by cura
Originally posted by Badaboom
As the title states.  From the little I have seen this game will be pve focused with arena/instanced pvp.  Is this correct?  So no open world pvp?

Unfortunately PVP is limited to only one zone

 

Which makes up 1/3rd of the world and comprises most of the end-game content.

Yeah but its disconnected from the pve part which is a big minus for me. I prefer random pvp when doing my stuff. And no, i didnt gank anybody even once. While taking keeps can entertain me for some time, its usually too zergy for my taste and it bores me after few days/weeks. Dont like instanced CTF and i wish implementing arenas were punished with a death sentence ;-). So, i still say ESOs pvp is pretty unfortunate.

 

Why would anyone who wants to pvp want to go and hang in an area where the players don't want to PvP....to gank.

 

If you want to pvp then hang in the pvp area, don't see how not having access to people who don't want to pvp would impact your playstyle.

Do i said i want to play with people who prefer other playstyle? No. I want to play with people like me. I dont give a shit about people like you, becouse you obviously are too limited to embrace the idea of having different prefferences.

There are many games that are world pvp,why dont you stick to those instead of complayning about games that the devs obviously want to make a pve game.

  bcbully

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12/06/13 11:54:47 AM#14

AreaPvP. Now it seems this area may be 1/3 or maybe 1/2 of the total game space. I a fan of ffa world pvp, you may be able to live in cryodill though, we'll see. I'm not ready to call ESO a pve focused mmorpg either. 

 

  cura

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12/06/13 12:00:40 PM#15
Originally posted by Vidir
Originally posted by cura
Originally posted by TalulaRose
Originally posted by cura
Originally posted by evilastro
Originally posted by cura
Originally posted by Badaboom
As the title states.  From the little I have seen this game will be pve focused with arena/instanced pvp.  Is this correct?  So no open world pvp?

Unfortunately PVP is limited to only one zone

 

Which makes up 1/3rd of the world and comprises most of the end-game content.

Yeah but its disconnected from the pve part which is a big minus for me. I prefer random pvp when doing my stuff. And no, i didnt gank anybody even once. While taking keeps can entertain me for some time, its usually too zergy for my taste and it bores me after few days/weeks. Dont like instanced CTF and i wish implementing arenas were punished with a death sentence ;-). So, i still say ESOs pvp is pretty unfortunate.

 

Why would anyone who wants to pvp want to go and hang in an area where the players don't want to PvP....to gank.

 

If you want to pvp then hang in the pvp area, don't see how not having access to people who don't want to pvp would impact your playstyle.

Do i said i want to play with people who prefer other playstyle? No. I want to play with people like me. I dont give a shit about people like you, becouse you obviously are too limited to embrace the idea of having different prefferences.

There are many games that are world pvp,why dont you stick to those instead of complayning about games that the devs obviously want to make a pve game.

Im not complaining, just answered OP question and then explained my point of view becouse somebody felt obliged to say that my point of view is wrong while hes right. Its not anybodys private forum so if somone dont like what i say, feel free to not read. There is a block user feature aswell.

  bcbully

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12/06/13 12:06:13 PM#16
Originally posted by TalulaRose
Originally posted by cura
Originally posted by evilastro
Originally posted by cura
Originally posted by Badaboom
As the title states.  From the little I have seen this game will be pve focused with arena/instanced pvp.  Is this correct?  So no open world pvp?

Unfortunately PVP is limited to only one zone

 

Which makes up 1/3rd of the world and comprises most of the end-game content.

Yeah but its disconnected from the pve part which is a big minus for me. I prefer random pvp when doing my stuff. And no, i didnt gank anybody even once. While taking keeps can entertain me for some time, its usually too zergy for my taste and it bores me after few days/weeks. Dont like instanced CTF and i wish implementing arenas were punished with a death sentence ;-). So, i still say ESOs pvp is pretty unfortunate.

 

Why would anyone who wants to pvp want to go and hang in an area where the players don't want to PvP....to gank.

 

If you want to pvp then hang in the pvp area, don't see how not having access to people who don't want to pvp would impact your playstyle.

Believe it or not as a pvpr, I don't want to pvp all the time. When the situation arises though, I hate being told by some magical being "You are not allowed to attack this target". 

 

Besides that, role play. Seriously, if I played a nightbalde, I would play as wickedly cleaver murderer, quick and efficient. This is how I would make a name for myself. There should of couse be a penal system, that allows the chvalrous do gooder the oppertunity to clean the streets of villains. 

 

In short player driven, dynamic game play. Now if this can be created by being able to live in Cryodill, I'm all for it.

  User Deleted
12/06/13 12:09:03 PM#17

Seems to be a lot of misinformation being peddled about on here.  Badaboom - go read this page, it should give you all the information you need about PvP in ESO:

http://elderscrollsonline.info/pvp

 

A summary of the info is:

  • PvP is located in the central region of world, known as Cyrodiil.  The landmass is approximately 1/3 of the total landmass available in game. There are 3 smaller regions each bordering on Cyrodiil which are home to the 3 factions that will compete over the resources in Cyrodiil.  
  • This is not separate from levelling content, in fact you can level up through PvP much like in GW2 WvW, except that Cyrodiil is actually connected to the game world. You can head to Cyrodiil at level 10, and you will get scaled up to 50, although a level 50 will be more powerful due to having more skills etc.
  • You can support the war efforts through crafting, non-combat activities as well as PvP and assaulting bases (keeps, towns, mines, villages etc).
 
So there you have it.  The game does have open world PvP mixed with levelling content, but only in the contested area.  The lands owned by each alliance are safe PvP free zones, much like the starter areas in WoW and other games.
 
This way they can keep levelling content gank free for those that want it, and there is a place to level through PvP and with open world PvP for those who want that.  It caters to both worlds.
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OP  12/06/13 12:14:39 PM#18
Originally posted by evilastro

Seems to be a lot of misinformation being peddled about on here.  Badaboom - go read this page, it should give you all the information you need about PvP in ESO:

http://elderscrollsonline.info/pvp

 

A summary of the info is:

  • PvP is located in the central region of world, known as Cyrodiil.  The landmass is approximately 1/3 of the total landmass available in game. There are 3 smaller regions each bordering on Cyrodiil which are home to the 3 factions that will compete over the resources in Cyrodiil.  
  • This is not separate from levelling content, in fact you can level up through PvP much like in GW2 WvW, except that Cyrodiil is actually connected to the game world. You can head to Cyrodiil at level 10, and you will get scaled up to 50, although a level 50 will be more powerful due to having more skills etc.
  • You can support the war efforts through crafting, non-combat activities as well as PvP and assaulting bases (keeps, towns, mines, villages etc).
 
So there you have it.  The game does have open world PvP mixed with levelling content, but only in the contested area.  The lands owned by each alliance are safe PvP free zones, much like the starter areas in WoW and other games.
 
This way they can keep levelling content gank free for those that want it, and there is a place to level through PvP and with open world PvP for those who want that.  It caters to both worlds.

Thanks.  Sounds a little like a combo of GW2 and LOTRO.  Not ideally suited for me and my tastes though.  Appreciate the info.

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12/06/13 12:14:53 PM#19
Originally posted by Badaboom
 

I doubt you would ever understand but MMO's should not have instances that remove people from the open world.  Random PVP is the best pvp.  This is where the best memories and stories are made.  For me, there is no point in playing an MMO that does not have this.  Why?  Because it is boring.  GW2 is a perfect example.  Beautiful huge game...but it lacks that edge which makes it boring for me. 

WoW did this right with the PVP servers, so the people who enjoy this type of game play had this option.  Some really fond memories of the Tarren Mill fights.  It kept you on edge. 

I currently play Darkfall and it takes it a step further with FFA full loot in an open world.  I was just checking to see what games coming down the pipe offer OWPVP.  No need to hate on that gameplay style as you have plenty of game options in the market open to you and we need to look harder.

From level 10 on you can play in cyrodil, which is nothing but OWPVP.  I'd also argue the best systems are those which allow people to opt out of PVPIng entirely. While also offering good PVP systems for those who want it. SWG and DAOC come to mind. There was no need for a different server ruleset to have the best of both worlds. Play ESO or don't but at least understand that there is OWPVP in the game.

Another thing I'd assume any PVPer would have an interest in is that the engine is designed to allow around 200 on screen at a time with little to no FPS loss, well supposedly.

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12/06/13 12:19:41 PM#20
Originally posted by Badaboom
Originally posted by evilastro

Seems to be a lot of misinformation being peddled about on here.  Badaboom - go read this page, it should give you all the information you need about PvP in ESO:

http://elderscrollsonline.info/pvp

 

A summary of the info is:

  • PvP is located in the central region of world, known as Cyrodiil.  The landmass is approximately 1/3 of the total landmass available in game. There are 3 smaller regions each bordering on Cyrodiil which are home to the 3 factions that will compete over the resources in Cyrodiil.  
  • This is not separate from levelling content, in fact you can level up through PvP much like in GW2 WvW, except that Cyrodiil is actually connected to the game world. You can head to Cyrodiil at level 10, and you will get scaled up to 50, although a level 50 will be more powerful due to having more skills etc.
  • You can support the war efforts through crafting, non-combat activities as well as PvP and assaulting bases (keeps, towns, mines, villages etc).
 
So there you have it.  The game does have open world PvP mixed with levelling content, but only in the contested area.  The lands owned by each alliance are safe PvP free zones, much like the starter areas in WoW and other games.
 
This way they can keep levelling content gank free for those that want it, and there is a place to level through PvP and with open world PvP for those who want that.  It caters to both worlds.

Thanks.  Sounds a little like a combo of GW2 and LOTRO.  Not ideally suited for me and my tastes though.  Appreciate the info.

 

An important differentiation is that Cyrodiil actually has significant PvE content as well, and has been said to have greater rewards than the safe areas.  End game content will be in Cyrodiil, it isn't some separated zone only for PvP players.  The whole game is based on the conflict between the three factions.  

Whereas GW2 and LOTRO PvP zones are completely optional and separate from the PvE end game.

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