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  Zairu

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11/30/13 11:37:11 AM#41
Originally posted by Jafotron
Originally posted by nerovipus32
How is paying one way better than another? Some gamers are so brainwashed by the subscription model they some how think it makes for a better game. A game is good or bad regardless of the payment model.

I would disagree, every time i play a F2p game i never feel a sense of community, most people just hop from game to game because they have no reason to commit and put time into the game.

 

 

 

 

 

so it is better to play with burnt-out players that only stick with a game because they have a sub. becuase that is the flip side of your argument.

 

paying a sub to play with other people that are tired of the game but are only playing because they are 'paying a sub'. as opposed to playing with people just looking for a good time. video games are about fun, not finacial obligations...

  STYNKFYST

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11/30/13 11:38:49 AM#42
Originally posted by nerovipus32
Originally posted by Distopia
Originally posted by nerovipus32
How is paying one way better than another? Some gamers are so brainwashed by the subscription model they some how think it makes for a better game. A game is good or bad regardless of the payment model.

I have no delusion that it makes for a better game. Yet it can make for a better service experience IMO as one price buys me all there is to buy. I prefer that over a cash shop and piecemeal services.

Some people like a choice when they buy, i don't like raiding but with a subscription i am forced to pay for the few that do. Every month my sub will go to new raids that i won't do.

That's like saying when you go to a buffet, you don't want to pay for others to eat shrimp because don't like shrimp. You pay the sub to get in the door. No one makes you raid and the raids would be there even if you weren't.

  arunasme

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11/30/13 11:39:09 AM#43

"Glad ESO will be subscription model, so I can support the developers before coming here a month after the launch and making a wall of text on how this game brings nothing new to the table and is as boring as any other mmo out there in the market right now"

Fixed that for you.

  cowhead

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11/30/13 11:39:52 AM#44
Originally posted by skyline385
Originally posted by ElRenmazuo
Because not only will it be an insult to the series and make it seem cheap if it was either f2p or b2p with cash shop, it would personally kill the kind of immersion I get from playing an elder scrolls title.  Just imagine logging in and the first thing that pops up is a window saying deals of the day lol.  Or zoning to a new area only to be stopped and reminded I need to buy this area to go on further.  Or seeing people with hair styles that werent available in character creation.  I think even the console fans would have been like WTF is this.

I am really interested in knowing which game you possibly played where you need to buy access to regions. Or even a game which forcefully pops up a window telling the deals of the day as soon as you login. You actually sound like you have never played a F2P MMO.

And if they are doing a Sub, then they have a shit ton to do to improve the game. The last beta left the majority of the crowd disappointed and bored. So, unless they can turn the game around in the 6 months they have, they are looking at a huge failure.

 

LOTRO for the unlocking of regions and EQ/EQ2 for deals of the day.

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  Nitth

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11/30/13 11:40:26 AM#45

Idk, i used to really like the sub model, but now im kinda wanted a b2p/f2p hybrid.

When you think about the sub model these days, you really don't see much return on your payments in the way of content and such. I mean look at the WoW cycle of content, months without meaningful content.

Seems to reason, you could buy a box, don't pay a sub, but buy content in installments or DLC so your guaranteed your money is going straight into the content you want.

Of course the problem is companies wont settle for that, they want to nickle and dime you for all the small things as well, bagslots, cosmetics, boosters...


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  nerovipus32

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11/30/13 11:42:18 AM#46
Originally posted by STYNKFYST
Originally posted by nerovipus32
Originally posted by Distopia
Originally posted by nerovipus32
How is paying one way better than another? Some gamers are so brainwashed by the subscription model they some how think it makes for a better game. A game is good or bad regardless of the payment model.

I have no delusion that it makes for a better game. Yet it can make for a better service experience IMO as one price buys me all there is to buy. I prefer that over a cash shop and piecemeal services.

Some people like a choice when they buy, i don't like raiding but with a subscription i am forced to pay for the few that do. Every month my sub will go to new raids that i won't do.

That's like saying when you go to a buffet, you don't want to pay for others to eat shrimp because don't like shrimp. You pay the sub to get in the door. No one makes you raid and the raids would be there even if you weren't.

No it's actually more like if shrimp was included in my bill, even though i don't like shrimp.

  Zairu

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11/30/13 11:43:21 AM#47
Originally posted by Nitth

 

Seems to reason, you could buy a box, don't pay a sub, but buy content in installments or DLC so your guaranteed your money is going straight into the content you want.

 

 

this is the only way that it should work.

 

anything else is a scam. whether cash shop or sub fee.

  STYNKFYST

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11/30/13 11:44:10 AM#48

[quote] Originally posted by Zairu [quote] [b]paying a sub to play with other people that are tired of the game but are only playing because they are 'paying a sub'. as opposed to playing with people just looking for a good time. video games are about fun, not finacial obligations...[/quote] 

Oh...you mean like WoW players....

People like me WANT a sub game if it goes back to when people that liked/loved a game are paying to play it and not a bunch of bored kids creating a character to...well, as like bored kids.

  Zairu

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Yes, this is a personal attack.

11/30/13 11:46:04 AM#49
Originally posted by nerovipus32
Originally posted by STYNKFYST
Originally posted by nerovipus32
Originally posted by Distopia
Originally posted by nerovipus32
How is paying one way better than another? Some gamers are so brainwashed by the subscription model they some how think it makes for a better game. A game is good or bad regardless of the payment model.

I have no delusion that it makes for a better game. Yet it can make for a better service experience IMO as one price buys me all there is to buy. I prefer that over a cash shop and piecemeal services.

Some people like a choice when they buy, i don't like raiding but with a subscription i am forced to pay for the few that do. Every month my sub will go to new raids that i won't do.

That's like saying when you go to a buffet, you don't want to pay for others to eat shrimp because don't like shrimp. You pay the sub to get in the door. No one makes you raid and the raids would be there even if you weren't.

No it's actually more like if shrimp was included in my bill, even though i don't like shrimp.

all i learned from these compariosn is that it is a waste of time to use pointless comparisons.

 

it is not food. it is not pop music. if you can't hold a debate using pure subject matter relevant to the debate, then you have no reason to speak about said debate.

 

  STYNKFYST

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11/30/13 11:47:52 AM#50
Originally posted by nerovipus32
Originally posted by STYNKFYST
Originally posted by nerovipus32
Originally posted by Distopia
Originally posted by nerovipus32
How is paying one way better than another? Some gamers are so brainwashed by the subscription model they some how think it makes for a better game. A game is good or bad regardless of the payment model.

I have no delusion that it makes for a better game. Yet it can make for a better service experience IMO as one price buys me all there is to buy. I prefer that over a cash shop and piecemeal services.

Some people like a choice when they buy, i don't like raiding but with a subscription i am forced to pay for the few that do. Every month my sub will go to new raids that i won't do.

That's like saying when you go to a buffet, you don't want to pay for others to eat shrimp because don't like shrimp. You pay the sub to get in the door. No one makes you raid and the raids would be there even if you weren't.

No it's actually more like if shrimp was included in my bill, even though i don't like shrimp.

This is what you don't get. Shrimp are NOT included. You pay the price to try what you want. No one made you pay for any one item. You get to sample what you want. Not really getting why you think you are paying for what others do.

 

 

  Zairu

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Yes, this is a personal attack.

11/30/13 11:49:39 AM#51
Originally posted by STYNKFYST

[quote] Originally posted by Zairu [quote] [b]paying a sub to play with other people that are tired of the game but are only playing because they are 'paying a sub'. as opposed to playing with people just looking for a good time. video games are about fun, not finacial obligations...[/quote] 

Oh...you mean like WoW players....

People like me WANT a sub game if it goes back to when people that liked/loved a game are paying to play it and not a bunch of bored kids creating a character to...well, as like bored kids.

 

yes. i DO mean WOW players.

 

not sure how you thought that pointing that out actually helped the 'pro-subs' debate.

 

your second comment is just assuming that everyone will 'love' a game just because it is sub based, OR! - that somehow games are going back to some golden age that will offer you an experince of unending 'love'. (purely subjective to each person)

  Torvaldr

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11/30/13 11:50:08 AM#52
Originally posted by Distopia
Originally posted by cura
 

If you have problems controlling your spendings maybe you shoudl visit a psychologist. I have no problem with it. I spent twenty times or more on worthless subscriptions then ftp games.

Never bought something on impulse? It's quite common.

Have you ever gone through angst over a $5 impulse buy? I'm walking through Walmart and see a DVD I don't have in the $5 bin and buy it. I don't go home later and froth and churn over it. I certainly don't send Walmart letters condemning them for offering cheap stuff.

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I don't see a value in renting my games anymore. I used to buy them before these publishers tried the "rent your mmo" deal. They didn't live up their end of the bargain of providing a return for that $180 per year, not to mention the box fees they started adding in to that cost so it's more like $240 per year. I never spent $240 for single player title with multi-player components (Doom, DukeNukem, NWN, Starcraft), let alone that much per year.

I see B2P and F2P with a cash shop as a way I can control my spending. I spend what I want when I want. If it's not worth much to me I won't spend much. If it is worth more and I appreciate the game then I'll spend more than that $240/yr. You don't control your spending with a mandatory monthly rental fee unless you stop playing. And then what, all that you've spent is null and void unless you pony up more cash. No thanks.

But with all that said, I don't care if this game is sub-locked. I think more options are good. There seem to be a lot of people here who like renting their games and I think it's good some publishers cater to that. I don't have to play every game and every publisher doesn't have to monetize my way. There is nothing wrong with them choosing this payment model in my opinion.

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  nerovipus32

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11/30/13 11:51:05 AM#53
Originally posted by STYNKFYST
Originally posted by nerovipus32
Originally posted by STYNKFYST
Originally posted by nerovipus32
Originally posted by Distopia
Originally posted by nerovipus32
How is paying one way better than another? Some gamers are so brainwashed by the subscription model they some how think it makes for a better game. A game is good or bad regardless of the payment model.

I have no delusion that it makes for a better game. Yet it can make for a better service experience IMO as one price buys me all there is to buy. I prefer that over a cash shop and piecemeal services.

Some people like a choice when they buy, i don't like raiding but with a subscription i am forced to pay for the few that do. Every month my sub will go to new raids that i won't do.

That's like saying when you go to a buffet, you don't want to pay for others to eat shrimp because don't like shrimp. You pay the sub to get in the door. No one makes you raid and the raids would be there even if you weren't.

No it's actually more like if shrimp was included in my bill, even though i don't like shrimp.

This is what you don't get. Shrimp are NOT included. You pay the price to try what you want. No one made you pay for any one item. You get to sample what you want. Not really getting why you think you are paying for what others do.

 

 

I could say the very same thing for b2p and f2p that you some how think are an inferior way to spend your money.

  iridescence

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11/30/13 11:52:23 AM#54
Originally posted by nerovipus32
 

Giving money over to a sub par service is in no way intelligent regardless of the way you pay. Prefering a subscription model does not make you less of an idiot than any other sucker who pays for these repetitive games. p2p is as much p2w as f2p is. If you don't pay every month you can't win.

I'll only pay for a game as long as I'm enjoying it. The minute I don't enjoy it anymore /unsub.

Wasting time playing a game you're not enjoying just because it's free seems like the idiotic thing to me.

I don't play a persistent  MMO to "win". I play it to enjoy myself. $15 a month is pretty cheap for something that really keeps me entertained. 1 cent a month is too expensive for something that doesn't.

 

  Mtibbs1989

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11/30/13 11:53:45 AM#55
Originally posted by ElRenmazuo
Because not only will it be an insult to the series and make it seem cheap if it was either f2p or b2p with cash shop, it would personally kill the kind of immersion I get from playing an elder scrolls title.  Just imagine logging in and the first thing that pops up is a window saying deals of the day lol.  Or zoning to a new area only to be stopped and reminded I need to buy this area to go on further.  Or seeing people with hair styles that werent available in character creation.  I think even the console fans would have been like WTF is this.

 Yeah, you know what would also kill the immersion? That little pop up message requiring you to pay that 15.00 fee every month ;).


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  eyelolled

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11/30/13 11:55:40 AM#56
I'm glad that this game will be a subscription model because the game developers need a good source of income to work out all the initial bugs that come after launch. I won't play it at all until it goes B2P though. I do think the P2P until it's fixed then B2P/F2P is a great revenue model nowadays.

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  nerovipus32

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11/30/13 11:56:14 AM#57
Originally posted by iridescence
Originally posted by nerovipus32
 

Giving money over to a sub par service is in no way intelligent regardless of the way you pay. Prefering a subscription model does not make you less of an idiot than any other sucker who pays for these repetitive games. p2p is as much p2w as f2p is. If you don't pay every month you can't win.

I'll only pay for a game as long as I'm enjoying it. The minute I don't enjoy it anymore /unsub.

Wasting time playing a game you're not enjoying just because it's free seems like the idiotic thing to me.

I don't play a persistent  MMO to "win". I play it to enjoy myself. $15 a month is pretty cheap for something that really keeps me entertained. 1 cent a month is too expensive for something that doesn't.

 

Paying for something each month when you could possibly get the same entertainment for free or cheaper is stupid. If an mmo wants to justify a monthly sub then it has to be much better than the mmo's that are free. At this point in time p2p is not any better than f2p mmo's. They are all the bloody same game.

  Zairu

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Yes, this is a personal attack.

11/30/13 12:01:32 PM#58
Originally posted by iridescence
Originally posted by nerovipus32
 

Giving money over to a sub par service is in no way intelligent regardless of the way you pay. Prefering a subscription model does not make you less of an idiot than any other sucker who pays for these repetitive games. p2p is as much p2w as f2p is. If you don't pay every month you can't win.

 

Wasting time playing a game you're not enjoying just because it's free seems like the idiotic thing to me.

 

people don't keep playing free games that they don't enjoy just because they are free, and if they do, then yes that is idiotic.

 

it is stupid to do ANYTHING that you don't enjoy when looking for entertainment.

 

in my experience, i have never met an unhappy player playing something just because it is 'free'. but i have met many unhappy players playing just because they are in a sub agreement and feel obligated to 'keep going'.

 

again. to reinerate. if you do anything for entertain that is not 'entertaing' then you are a fucking moron.

  raiders95

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11/30/13 12:02:11 PM#59

I prefer to pay 15$ rather than experiencing once more what I saw in F2P !!!

F2P always make you pay way more money to get what you can get for on any mmo with subs.

Whatever the reason F2P will make you pay for  more character slot, inventory space, map, mounts, companion, crafting etc.

Beside that, on F2P the community is usually the one I would prefer to avoid (to say the least)

 

That being said, at the end it's just a matter of choice.

If you don't like paying for a subs, just move on and keep playing with a F2P mmo.

 

  Zairu

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Yes, this is a personal attack.

11/30/13 12:03:34 PM#60
Originally posted by raiders95

I prefer to pay 15$ rather than experiencing once more what I saw in F2P !!!

F2P always make you pay way more money to get what you can get for on any mmo with subs.

Whatever the reason F2P will make you pay for  more character slot, inventory space, map, mounts, companion, crafting etc.

Beside that, on F2P the community is usually the one I would prefer to avoid (to say the least)

 

That being said, at the end it's just a matter of choice.

If you don't like paying for a subs, just move on and keep playing with a F2P mmo.

 

 

the difference in community is all in your mind.

 

 

 

 

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