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  nerovipus32

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12/01/13 2:01:20 PM#21
Big time OP. I remember dying so many times trying to kill jagger jack, now you can pretty much just stroll into his base and kill him along with 5 or 6 of his henchmen.
  iridescence

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12/01/13 2:01:29 PM#22
Originally posted by page975

 

This can only be for one reasion.....To get you to buy every expantion !

 

They made the combat  easier and in effect boring to get people to buy more expansions...OK? I think Turbine just messed up their balancing big time. Certainly wouldn't be the first time. 

 

  nerovipus32

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12/01/13 2:04:26 PM#23
Originally posted by Jean-Luc_Picard
Originally posted by deniter

Lotro was wowified in last patch. Autolearn skills, instance finder,.. uninstall.

WoW is more complex than LOTRO even now. And always had better combat anyway.

I one shot every mob in wow while pve questing, it takes at least 3 shots in lotro to kill a mob.

  Sovrath

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12/01/13 2:12:33 PM#24
Originally posted by Scorchien
Its as easy as you want it to be , the challenge is there if you want to challenge yourself, do Skirms 5 lvls higher at T2 , duo Goblin Seat etc, quest 5 lvls higher ...

I suppose there is some truth to that. I was doing the goblin skirmish which was a 6 person skirmish but set it at a lower level and for my guardian I was finding it challenging.

Standard quests are pretty easy.

Some of the Rohan roving bands (can't remember what they are called) can be challenging solo.

  Torvaldr

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12/01/13 2:23:42 PM#25
Originally posted by iridescence
Originally posted by page975

This can only be for one reasion.....To get you to buy every expantion !

They made the combat  easier and in effect boring to get people to buy more expansions...OK? I think Turbine just messed up their balancing big time. Certainly wouldn't be the first time. 

The mess up balance in this way every time they release an xpac and then "fix" it a month or two later after the initial sales period dies down. It has been like this since Moria.

I'm going to see if I can solo Baugarch in the Chetwood. That will really be telling. That warg was the bane of my undying so many times, forcing a reroll just to get the title.

Curse you AquaScum!

  Jean-Luc_Picard

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12/01/13 2:28:28 PM#26
Originally posted by nerovipus32
Originally posted by Jean-Luc_Picard
Originally posted by deniter

Lotro was wowified in last patch. Autolearn skills, instance finder,.. uninstall.

WoW is more complex than LOTRO even now. And always had better combat anyway.

I one shot every mob in wow while pve questing, it takes at least 3 shots in lotro to kill a mob.

Unless you only kill mobs 3+ levels below you in WoW and 3+ levels higher in LOTRO, that's definitely not true.

And even if it was... the amount of times you have to hit a mob to kill it is irrelevant to the discussion at hand.

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  Sovrath

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12/01/13 2:38:30 PM#27
Originally posted by Jean-Luc_Picard
Originally posted by nerovipus32
Originally posted by Jean-Luc_Picard
Originally posted by deniter

Lotro was wowified in last patch. Autolearn skills, instance finder,.. uninstall.

WoW is more complex than LOTRO even now. And always had better combat anyway.

I one shot every mob in wow while pve questing, it takes at least 3 shots in lotro to kill a mob.

Unless you only kill mobs 3+ levels below you in WoW and 3+ levels higher in LOTRO, that's definitely not true.

And even if it was... the amount of times you have to hit a mob to kill it is irrelevant to the discussion at hand.

 It's not completely irrelevant. He's saying that it's easier to kill mobs in one game as opposed to another where it takes more hits and therefore, theoretically, more difficult to kill allowing them more time to do damage on him. However, in LOTRO, (and I suppose wow) mobs are made to be killed so they aren't really that hard. Maybe enmasse if there are a lot of archers. I did have a lotro moment (though I think it was a bug) where I found a destroyed carriage on the road when all of a sudden all these orc archers started coming in waves and picking my health off.

I say it was a bug because I had clicked on the carriage and nothing happened. Then kept clicking on it and suddenly wave after wave of archers starter showing up.

  fodell54

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12/01/13 2:39:19 PM#28
Originally posted by Jean-Luc_Picard
Originally posted by nerovipus32
Originally posted by Jean-Luc_Picard
Originally posted by deniter

Lotro was wowified in last patch. Autolearn skills, instance finder,.. uninstall.

WoW is more complex than LOTRO even now. And always had better combat anyway.

I one shot every mob in wow while pve questing, it takes at least 3 shots in lotro to kill a mob.

Unless you only kill mobs 3+ levels below you in WoW and 3+ levels higher in LOTRO, that's definitely not true.

And even if it was... the amount of times you have to hit a mob to kill it is irrelevant to the discussion at hand.

The complexity in WoW is no greater then the complexity in Rift. Last time I played I pushed no more then 3-4 buttons on both a hunter and monk.

Even though the combat is slower in Lotro it is still more complex then WoW. Shit, Minecraft is more complex then anything in WoW.

  fascism

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12/01/13 2:55:39 PM#29
as a lore master I dont even cast abilities any more, not because I dont want to but because my pet one shots anything at my level
  iridescence

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12/01/13 3:00:29 PM#30
Originally posted by fascism
as a lore master I dont even cast abilities any more, not because I dont want to but because my pet one shots anything at my level

True, while the LM retains a lot of its cool abilities it now has so much DPS that the incentive to use those abilities (at least in solo play) is pretty much gone. However, I strongly believe the huge DPS spike is a mistake and Turbine will bring it back closer to what it was before in the next patch.

 

 

  Sovrath

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12/01/13 3:30:13 PM#31

I'm starting to wonder if the minstrel is a dps machine. I made one recently and can one or two shot a lot of mobs in "dissonance" stance.

I first I thought it was just the mobs I was picking but I'm finding that dissonance stance allows the minstrel to kill faster than my champion.

  Po_gg

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12/01/13 4:37:25 PM#32

Actually you're a bit late with wondering, minis are a champ-rival dps-machine since Isengard, with a slightly less dps which is compensated with they're being ranged and mobile (dishing out cries on the move). Even before HD, if played right, they were better dps than rk's, and could heal on the side without giving up dps capabilities.

 

Or, at least this is what I saw on my fellows' minis, since I put mine on the shelf after the RoI revamp. And yep, I started one yesterday, it's shocking. Archet intro, Calder Cobb (the first sig. boss), a year ago it was an entry-like moderate fight on that level, now it was 1 cry... and his two adds died as well with that one shot. Pathetic... and that's supposed to be the main healer of the game.

  BMBender

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12/01/13 4:50:02 PM#33

To the OP is it easier?

There once was a title called the Undying upon reaching lvl 20 without dying.  People used to cheer anytime some1 said in ooc that they achieved it.

 

Even before HD it had become a mere pulse check,  if one could breathe unassisted one could get the title.

 

Haven't played HD on live as LOTRO is un-installed and HD remains un-purchased, but unless there was a massive change since the last beta round; yea if you have 1 eye and four fingers your probably good.

  aesperus

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12/01/13 4:55:45 PM#34
Originally posted by Jean-Luc_Picard
Originally posted by nerovipus32
Originally posted by Jean-Luc_Picard
Originally posted by deniter

Lotro was wowified in last patch. Autolearn skills, instance finder,.. uninstall.

WoW is more complex than LOTRO even now. And always had better combat anyway.

I one shot every mob in wow while pve questing, it takes at least 3 shots in lotro to kill a mob.

Unless you only kill mobs 3+ levels below you in WoW and 3+ levels higher in LOTRO, that's definitely not true.

And even if it was... the amount of times you have to hit a mob to kill it is irrelevant to the discussion at hand.

I think you're confusing mob difficulty with game complexity.

Not to mention, I think you'd be surprised at how easy killing enemies in WoW currently is. Games like LotRO aren't the only ones getting the WoW bat, even WoW has been systematically dumbing itself down over the years, to the point where we now have 3 year olds mastering the game. (tiny exaggeration, but I think u get my point)

  Po_gg

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12/01/13 4:59:42 PM#35

If you put Undying as the measure, then the easy-fication started right at the f2p switch, since then it got easier and easier to get that title with every update.

I lost only one Undying during the last 3 years, when my router froze mid-combat and the client lost connection :) yep, accidents can happen...

  BMBender

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12/01/13 5:40:58 PM#36
Originally posted by Po_gg

If you put Undying as the measure, then the easy-fication started right at the f2p switch, since then it got easier and easier to get that title with every update.

I lost only one Undying during the last 3 years, when my router froze mid-combat and the client lost connection :) yep, accidents can happen...

agreed it was an extended trend, my only point was that, from my observations during the beta rounds, HD merely stuck the fork in it.

  Rhoklaw

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12/01/13 6:00:42 PM#37
Sounds exactly like GW2's non trinity system to me where everyone is a DPS machine.

  IMBanks

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12/01/13 9:42:26 PM#38
Originally posted by Jean-Luc_Picard
I dunno for other classes, but my champion got completely ruined by the move to "trait trees", it's all about bashing 3 keys now. I heard other classes went through the carnage better than champion though.

Don't know about Champ, just know my Warden has been ruined.  Granted, the Warden has had a colourful path since it came out with Moria, but whether it was up or down, broken or OP, there was always and elegance, complexity and joy to its play.  Now it's basically just taunting and dpsing.

  IMBanks

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12/01/13 9:45:11 PM#39
Originally posted by Po_gg

If you put Undying as the measure, then the easy-fication started right at the f2p switch, since then it got easier and easier to get that title with every update.

I lost only one Undying during the last 3 years, when my router froze mid-combat and the client lost connection :) yep, accidents can happen...

'Undying' breathed its last when Turbine started granting xp for crafting.  Half a year ago I got my cooking alt to undying in one day, unintentionally, by leveling up her farming and cooking.

  Schnizle

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12/02/13 1:56:16 AM#40
Yeah they made it easier, but they dumbed the game down by removing skills, which is worse IMO.  It made me quit.
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