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  Mtibbs1989

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11/13/13 1:24:21 PM#21
Originally posted by PieRad
Originally posted by agnostic4eve

I'm trying to understand the issue, please bear with me and correct me where I am wrong.

 

SOE put certain Camo's into the game...

Some players used it to "Hide in plain sight"

SOE fixes the camo so it can still be used as it was originally intended, but saw no need to refund the funds used to exploit the system.

Someone gets mad because they can no longer use the item for what 'they intended' which was to purchase items to gain an unfair advantage in combat

 

I thought we hated P2Win systems and rewarded games for not having them, looks like SOE realized players were utilizing a P2Win item that they unintentionally added to the game and then fixed it. This is a good thing, right? Can you still use the camo scheme? and by that I mean, apply it to the vehicle.

 

Am I right? Or way off?

way off....

SOE makes camo, you buy camo, SOE changes camo to only cover small parts of your vehicle... now your vehicle doesn't look like it has much camo on at all.. waste of money, your vehicle looks horrible.

You then buy appearance items for your sunderer, SOE removes the items from the game, and doesn't give you any SC in compensation for the money spend... you got fucked.

 

I heard that they improved the FPS for this game with the newest patch by a whopping 30%. Does that mean that they finally allowed their players to turn off their god awful FXAA? The FXAA take almost 30-40 FPS from the games performance.


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  Agnostic42

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11/13/13 1:24:44 PM#22
Originally posted by PieRad
Originally posted by agnostic4eve

I'm trying to understand the issue, please bear with me and correct me where I am wrong.

 

SOE put certain Camo's into the game...

Some players used it to "Hide in plain sight"

SOE fixes the camo so it can still be used as it was originally intended, but saw no need to refund the funds used to exploit the system.

Someone gets mad because they can no longer use the item for what 'they intended' which was to purchase items to gain an unfair advantage in combat

 

I thought we hated P2Win systems and rewarded games for not having them, looks like SOE realized players were utilizing a P2Win item that they unintentionally added to the game and then fixed it. This is a good thing, right? Can you still use the camo scheme? and by that I mean, apply it to the vehicle.

 

Am I right? Or way off?

way off....

SOE makes camo, you buy camo, SOE changes camo to only cover small parts of your vehicle... now your vehicle doesn't look like it has much camo on at all.. waste of money.

You then buy appearance items for your sunderer, SOE removes the items from the game, and doesn't give you any SC in compensation for the money spend... you got fucked.

 

Ahh, Okay. I haven't played PS2 in a while. Just this sounds rather unusual for SOE's new marketplaces, I haven't seen them do this before. there might be a good reason for what they did that you just aren't seeing. /shrug

 

 

Edit: maybe the camo was incompatible with the engine upgrades they did. Petition the problem and ask for a refund, they may give it to you. I mean you can still apply the camo, just not the way you thought. Have you tried asking for a refund, or just blew up as your first response?

Honestly not trying to get under any skin here, just trying to rationally approach the problem.

  monochrome19

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11/13/13 1:26:19 PM#23
Originally posted by PieRad
SOE don't stop to think about their customers, they don't give a shit about their players.

 

People waiting for EQN/L, you're next in line, pull your pants down!

LAWL!!!

I laughed more than I should have at this.

Your probably right though, in which case its 1000x funnier.

  Muke

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11/13/13 1:27:42 PM#24
Originally posted by PieRad

This new Operation Make Faster Game didn't just come with new better optimization, it came with a few twists.

 

They changed all the VS vehicles, they look absolutely horrible now, and the camo coverage is now so small that every one who bought a camo have wasted their money.

There is an item for the Sunderer, a spare tire that you could have on the back of your sunderer that is now completely removed from the game, those who bought it were not compensated, they took peoples money and removed the item.

 

SOE don't stop to think about their customers, they don't give a shit about their players.

 

 

People waiting for EQN/L, you're next in line, pull your pants down!

You bought the stuff in the free game, with the terrible reputation SOE has earned over the years in MMO gaming really only you are to blame.

As far as your claim towards EQN users is concerned, as far as I know it is a free game, if you don't spend a single coin on any cashshop there, you have nothing to be afraid of.

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  PieRad

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Posts: 1169

 
OP  11/13/13 1:31:51 PM#25
Originally posted by Mtibbs1989
Originally posted by PieRad
Originally posted by agnostic4eve

I'm trying to understand the issue, please bear with me and correct me where I am wrong.

 

SOE put certain Camo's into the game...

Some players used it to "Hide in plain sight"

SOE fixes the camo so it can still be used as it was originally intended, but saw no need to refund the funds used to exploit the system.

Someone gets mad because they can no longer use the item for what 'they intended' which was to purchase items to gain an unfair advantage in combat

 

I thought we hated P2Win systems and rewarded games for not having them, looks like SOE realized players were utilizing a P2Win item that they unintentionally added to the game and then fixed it. This is a good thing, right? Can you still use the camo scheme? and by that I mean, apply it to the vehicle.

 

Am I right? Or way off?

way off....

SOE makes camo, you buy camo, SOE changes camo to only cover small parts of your vehicle... now your vehicle doesn't look like it has much camo on at all.. waste of money, your vehicle looks horrible.

You then buy appearance items for your sunderer, SOE removes the items from the game, and doesn't give you any SC in compensation for the money spend... you got fucked.

 

I heard that they improved the FPS for this game with the newest patch by a whopping 30%. Does that mean that they finally allowed their players to turn off their god awful FXAA? The FXAA take almost 30-40 FPS from the games performance.

I did see a big increase in FPS myself...

I'm not sure you can do that without some third party program, and they ban people for that, to SOE it looks like cheating software.

  Mtibbs1989

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Joined: 12/17/10
Posts: 2566

11/13/13 1:33:35 PM#26
Originally posted by PieRad
Originally posted by Mtibbs1989
Originally posted by PieRad
Originally posted by agnostic4eve

I'm trying to understand the issue, please bear with me and correct me where I am wrong.

 

SOE put certain Camo's into the game...

Some players used it to "Hide in plain sight"

SOE fixes the camo so it can still be used as it was originally intended, but saw no need to refund the funds used to exploit the system.

Someone gets mad because they can no longer use the item for what 'they intended' which was to purchase items to gain an unfair advantage in combat

 

I thought we hated P2Win systems and rewarded games for not having them, looks like SOE realized players were utilizing a P2Win item that they unintentionally added to the game and then fixed it. This is a good thing, right? Can you still use the camo scheme? and by that I mean, apply it to the vehicle.

 

Am I right? Or way off?

way off....

SOE makes camo, you buy camo, SOE changes camo to only cover small parts of your vehicle... now your vehicle doesn't look like it has much camo on at all.. waste of money, your vehicle looks horrible.

You then buy appearance items for your sunderer, SOE removes the items from the game, and doesn't give you any SC in compensation for the money spend... you got fucked.

 

I heard that they improved the FPS for this game with the newest patch by a whopping 30%. Does that mean that they finally allowed their players to turn off their god awful FXAA? The FXAA take almost 30-40 FPS from the games performance.

I did see a big increase in FPS myself...

I'm not sure you can do that without some third party program, and they ban people for that, to SOE it looks like cheating software.

 Yeah, people use SweetFX to increase their performance because SOE's FXAA is god awful.


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  Raquis

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Joined: 3/18/13
Posts: 303

11/13/13 1:43:35 PM#27
ill keep this in mind when investigating EQN their is no way I am buying EQL
  goldtoof

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Joined: 10/18/13
Posts: 338

11/13/13 1:49:32 PM#28
Right I checked it out.

Originally your camo was on about 75% of your vehicle. Now its on around 40%.

But this is probably due to the optimisation - they can take 60% of the vehicle as stock and only have to display the customised bit on 40% of it. It probably helps with loading models and increasing fps.

This Is also probably why they removed that tyre. I wouldn't sweat on that, they will issue a refund, just like the one I got when they reconfigured how the light assault certs worked.
  goldtoof

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Posts: 338

11/13/13 1:51:38 PM#29
You can turn aa off by going in your nvidia or AMD settings and forcing no aa. This is a good thing to learn how to do anyway, with older games where you can force aa on and make them look better.
  Mtibbs1989

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Joined: 12/17/10
Posts: 2566

11/13/13 1:56:03 PM#30
Originally posted by goldtoof
You can turn aa off by going in your nvidia or AMD settings and forcing no aa. This is a good thing to learn how to do anyway, with older games where you can force aa on and make them look better.

 Well I have that globally turned off for all games that I play, due to my graphics card starting to get a bit old. However, the FXAA is still on for their game.


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  Agnostic42

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Posts: 324

11/13/13 2:21:06 PM#31
Originally posted by MrHaaken
Originally posted by agnostic4eve
Originally posted by PieRad
Originally posted by agnostic4eve
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snipped bit

They temp banned my account, so answering on this one.


I don't want a refund for the camo, I just think it's uncool to basically change how camo's apply on vehicles, then it's not really the look you bought, and making it cover so little of the vehicle is shooting yourself in the foot when you live off of people wanting to customize their vehicles...

With that said, it is what it is...

 

My real problem is the items removed, I think this is so disrespectful towards the people who put money into their company.

No one should have to open a ticket, SOE should check who have bought the items before they permanently remove them from the game, and then send those players SC equal to the amount spend on those items, I don't think that's unreasonable.

Someone else mentioned that SWTOR seems to comp their players with a new item if things like this, or similar to this happens, and that is showing customers that they care about the players and that they really appreciate the players spending their hard earned money in their game.

I've spent quite a bit in the EQ1, EQ2 and Vanguard Marketplaces as well as have 3 All-Access passes for SOE on different accounts. I have had them reconstruct entire accounts within an hour of the problem being noticed when my youngest son wiped it clean when he wanted to 'play on dad's PC"

 

So, I have had great experiences with SOE's customer service, they are very understanding. Also, Maybe when they were implementing the patch it never occurred to them that there would be such an outrage over the camo and figured that people would understand that they found part of the problem that was causing FPS problems and fixed it. They probably expected the players to be happy over the changes, hey, you can shoot people without much video lag now.

 

Who knows, humans and all, right? Big companies have a lot of personalities to service, and blowing up isn't the best response. Take a moment, have a cigarette or a vape, maybe a beer, and come back once the initial shock wears off.

  GriggsC123

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11/15/13 8:34:10 AM#32
SOE Customer Service.
  TeknoBug

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11/17/13 10:53:23 AM#33


Originally posted by rodingo

Originally posted by PieRad . Camo's are now only covering very small parts of the vehicles... basically waste of money.
You didn't actually think that camo actually worked as "camo" in this game did you?  It's just for looks.


Camo is very useful, pick the right one for the environment you're in and you're going to be hard to spot.


However changing the way camo works on vehicles is pretty stupid, Magrider and Scythe show a lot of purple no matter what camo you put on them.


  bcbully

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11/17/13 11:03:19 AM#34

Complaining about the art change in camo for some vehicles with this patch, is the equivalent of me getting my son a ps4 (not gonna happen) and him ranting endlessly on how much he hates the animation on the load up screen. These will not be the cause of any of these people from playing hours on end.

 

If this was needed to improve performance (somthing like 500 camos in the game), so be it.

When I eat chocolate chip pie it just doesn't feel like chocolate chip cookies. The texture, the consistency, it's just not the same and this is disappointing.

  PieRad

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OP  11/18/13 4:26:02 PM#35
Originally posted by bcbully

Complaining about the art change in camo for some vehicles with this patch, is the equivalent of me getting my son a ps4 (not gonna happen) and him ranting endlessly on how much he hates the animation on the load up screen. These will not be the cause of any of these people from playing hours on end.

 

If this was needed to improve performance (somthing like 500 camos in the game), so be it.

That is not the equivalent, but don't be selfish, go get your son a ps4.

 

 

They only change camos on Vanu vehicles, not the other 2 factions, it wasn't needed.. And this wasn't the main problem, read it again.

  Benjola

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11/24/13 1:09:22 PM#36

It took me few weeks, maybe a month after launch to figure out how big of a money grab this game is.

People that still play and waste money on it are the suckers of PS2 lol.

And I guess those that managed to resist the urge to drop money on this blatant customer rape and still play for free are the smart ones.

The suckers on the other hand are footing the bill for everyone.

I could go in-depth on all the psychological tricks and traps they use but meh, it's a gaming forum I'll skip it.

 

EDIT: And yeah EQN wont be any different, you have been warned!

 

I care about your gaming 'problems' and teenage anxieties, just not today.

  Amarsir

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11/26/13 7:43:37 AM#37

SOE's customer service is famously horrible. Every game, across the board. BUT, the camo change is a work in progress. Between optimization and issues over lack of faction identification they have some adjustments to make and aren't done yet. Wait until it's settled before deciding your camo coverage is irrelevant.

(And the tire thing was a bug, acknowledged if not fixed already.)

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  Hatefull

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11/26/13 7:49:45 AM#38


Originally posted by PieRad
This new Operation Make Faster Game didn't just come with new better optimization, it came with a few twists.

 

They changed all the VS vehicles, they look absolutely horrible now, and the camo coverage is now so small that every one who bought a camo have wasted their money.

There is an item for the Sunderer, a spare tire that you could have on the back of your sunderer that is now completely removed from the game, those who bought it were not compensated, they took peoples money and removed the item.

 

SOE don't stop to think about their customers, they don't give a shit about their players.

 

 

People waiting for EQN/L, you're next in line, pull your pants down!


So...the most money hungry corporation in on-line gaming does not care about their player base? Interesting, I have never seen this before. Dude, wake up! SOE ONLY Cares about cash, and bringing it in as fast as possible. They have never nor will they ever give two shits about the consumer farther than the consumers wallet.

Seriously. This news is like 10 years old.

EDIT: Just logged into my VS toon. The armor change is not that bad. Definitely not worth crying about.

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  Holophonist

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11/26/13 7:53:24 AM#39
Originally posted by PieRad
Originally posted by bcbully

Complaining about the art change in camo for some vehicles with this patch, is the equivalent of me getting my son a ps4 (not gonna happen) and him ranting endlessly on how much he hates the animation on the load up screen. These will not be the cause of any of these people from playing hours on end.

 

If this was needed to improve performance (somthing like 500 camos in the game), so be it.

That is not the equivalent, but don't be selfish, go get your son a ps4.

 

 

They only change camos on Vanu vehicles, not the other 2 factions, it wasn't needed.. And this wasn't the main problem, read it again.

Why do you think they changed that camo and not the others?

  tixylix

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12/05/13 5:08:07 PM#40
Has no one learnt anything from SOEs history? Do not waste a single penny on their games.
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