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  Satimasu

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10/29/13 9:02:44 AM#41
You can play both if you don't mind a sub. So I don't see what the problem is. I like both, so I can't understand having to hate one or the other.


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  MadDemon64

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10/29/13 9:15:08 AM#42

Personally I would go with GW2.  FF14 was fun, but I prefer GW2 more for several reasons:

Combat offers more variety because you need to be able to accurately know which skills work against what enemies/in what situtaions (yes once you get to a certain level you don't need to worry about this as much regarding enemies, but the key to beating certain dungeons is use of proper skills).

Races aren't a rehash of the ones from the previous game in the series (except humans, but they never count).

Classes aren't restricted to one weappon type (this might not be a gamebreaker for you, and it isn't with me; just putting that out there).

Living world guarantees constant content updates, although some are better than others (also this is a negative to some people, but to me its a good thing).

No subscription fee.  Just pay $60 or however much it is right now and that's it.

 

I am not saying that FF14 is a bad game, its just that GW2 does a lot of things better in my opinion.  The only thing that FF14 does better is optimizing the game engine, but again, just my opinion.

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  Amjoco

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10/29/13 9:25:00 AM#43
Originally posted by Satimasu
You can play both if you don't mind a sub. So I don't see what the problem is. I like both, so I can't understand having to hate one or the other.

Very good answer! I like playing more than one game and both of these match up well together.

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  stevebombsquad

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10/29/13 11:36:54 AM#44
Originally posted by RizelStar
Originally posted by TangentPoint
Originally posted by Amjoco

Um... 4 hours time it took for me to realize GW2 wasn't a very fun game for me and had issues. I had 2 max level characters in the game as I drilled my way hoping for something to spark which it did not.  So yeah, just cause someone feels your favorite game isn't that great (both personally as well as looking critically upon it) doesn't mean you should miss quote them about it.  I played Mesmer and Thief both to 80 and I could never get into the game. I tried and tried but no, it didn't pan out. Yes, I know I'm stupid for wasting my time when I felt I wasn't big on it to start, but thus the masocist in me was seeking to find value in my purchase to no avail. 

 

Sorry, I'm not picking apart your message but I was wondering about your first paragraph. You say you have 2 max characters in GW2 in 4 hours? If this isn't the case and you didn't have fun in those first 4 hours, why would you play 2 characters to max level?

When it comes to "intolerance of a dissenting opinion", there's three main categories of people here, and on gaming forums in general. 

1. Will ask you if you've completed some arbitrary laundry-list of tasks, saying "your opinion doesn't matter" unless you have, and that you're basically not allowed to criticize or express dislike of a game unless you've gone all the way through the game and "have done everything". It's an obvious attempt to pre-emptively disqualify a dissenting opinion of a game by setting some arbitrarily high bar that - it's assumed - someone will not have reached.

2. In the event that the player has done everything (or at least the vast majority of it), the challenge then changes to something more in line with what you asked: "Well, if the game is so bad, then why did you play it for so long?"

3. The third category would be people who like a game but aren't insulted or threatened when someone else voices a negative or critical opinion of it. These people are very rare. Even more rare are those who can empathize and see how others might have the complaints they have, even if they don't share them.

Your question would fall under this 2nd category.

Items 1 and 2 most apply here, and are a blatant catch 22. No matter what the person says, their opinion will still be deemed irrelevant, because they're going to fall into either of the two categories. It's a completely obvious tactic used with an equally transparent motive.

The questions don't really matter, because those asking don't really what an answer. They're only interested in dismissing and invalidating an opinion they disagree with.

Interestingly, you'll only face those questions if you're critical of the game. If you're praising the game, it doesn't matter if you just installed it and haven't even gotten out of character creation. If you say "this is the absolute best MMO on the market", those same people issuing #1 and #2 above will not even second guess you. It's an interesting double-standard that happens constantly around here, with every game.

And in every case, it's indicative of people who can't tolerate negative opinions of a game they like.

 

 

You can not be serious right now...have you even...know what nevermind.

 

Actually he is spot on. Please do tell what part of that he got wrong. I think he nails it on the head.

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  vandal5627

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10/29/13 12:35:32 PM#45
Originally posted by stevebombsquad
Originally posted by RizelStar
Originally posted by TangentPoint
Originally posted by Amjoco

Um... 4 hours time it took for me to realize GW2 wasn't a very fun game for me and had issues. I had 2 max level characters in the game as I drilled my way hoping for something to spark which it did not.  So yeah, just cause someone feels your favorite game isn't that great (both personally as well as looking critically upon it) doesn't mean you should miss quote them about it.  I played Mesmer and Thief both to 80 and I could never get into the game. I tried and tried but no, it didn't pan out. Yes, I know I'm stupid for wasting my time when I felt I wasn't big on it to start, but thus the masocist in me was seeking to find value in my purchase to no avail. 

 

Sorry, I'm not picking apart your message but I was wondering about your first paragraph. You say you have 2 max characters in GW2 in 4 hours? If this isn't the case and you didn't have fun in those first 4 hours, why would you play 2 characters to max level?

When it comes to "intolerance of a dissenting opinion", there's three main categories of people here, and on gaming forums in general. 

1. Will ask you if you've completed some arbitrary laundry-list of tasks, saying "your opinion doesn't matter" unless you have, and that you're basically not allowed to criticize or express dislike of a game unless you've gone all the way through the game and "have done everything". It's an obvious attempt to pre-emptively disqualify a dissenting opinion of a game by setting some arbitrarily high bar that - it's assumed - someone will not have reached.

2. In the event that the player has done everything (or at least the vast majority of it), the challenge then changes to something more in line with what you asked: "Well, if the game is so bad, then why did you play it for so long?"

3. The third category would be people who like a game but aren't insulted or threatened when someone else voices a negative or critical opinion of it. These people are very rare. Even more rare are those who can empathize and see how others might have the complaints they have, even if they don't share them.

Your question would fall under this 2nd category.

Items 1 and 2 most apply here, and are a blatant catch 22. No matter what the person says, their opinion will still be deemed irrelevant, because they're going to fall into either of the two categories. It's a completely obvious tactic used with an equally transparent motive.

The questions don't really matter, because those asking don't really what an answer. They're only interested in dismissing and invalidating an opinion they disagree with.

Interestingly, you'll only face those questions if you're critical of the game. If you're praising the game, it doesn't matter if you just installed it and haven't even gotten out of character creation. If you say "this is the absolute best MMO on the market", those same people issuing #1 and #2 above will not even second guess you. It's an interesting double-standard that happens constantly around here, with every game.

And in every case, it's indicative of people who can't tolerate negative opinions of a game they like.

 

 

You can not be serious right now...have you even...know what nevermind.

 

Actually he is spot on. Please do tell what part of that he got wrong. I think he nails it on the head.

He's halfway correct, he seems to only see one side which is what people around here like to call White Knights.  You can basically take his 3 categories and pin it to the other end of the spectrum  (the haters is what people call that here) and you get the same results.  He likes to call out white knights but never call out the haters?  Why is that I wonder?

  EvolvedMonky

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10/29/13 1:37:05 PM#46
Originally posted by Bigdaddyx
Originally posted by EvolvedMonky
Originally posted by huihuhuhu2
ty all for the replies..it has been very beneficial..think i'll try going back to gw2 due to larger world,more content,and immersive combat.. i still have a place in my heart for ff 14 just dont think it's ready yet...gw2 makes me feel like i am in a huge world,ff makes me feel the opposite..again ty all

Lol You all fell for a troll....

Huh? so he didn't chose your precious FFXIV so he is a troll? 

No silly cause he has both and played both. But hes asking which one he should play.

 

"i like a little pvp but pve is what i like the most..i played ff 14 since launch but i keep feeling there is something missing"

and

"i'll try going back to gw2 due to larger..."

 

Who cares what he chooses.  LoL " Hay guys ive played both games so which game should I play of the two games ive already played...." Thats what you were replying to ... LOL

Tsk tsk so worried about the silly FFXIV forum war you don't see the obvious.  

LOL ....... still laughing on how the guy asks which game is better for him to play, when hes playing both games.... LOL

  DamonVile

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10/29/13 2:01:18 PM#47
Originally posted by EvolvedMonky
Originally posted by Bigdaddyx
Originally posted by EvolvedMonky
Originally posted by huihuhuhu2
ty all for the replies..it has been very beneficial..think i'll try going back to gw2 due to larger world,more content,and immersive combat.. i still have a place in my heart for ff 14 just dont think it's ready yet...gw2 makes me feel like i am in a huge world,ff makes me feel the opposite..again ty all

Lol You all fell for a troll....

Huh? so he didn't chose your precious FFXIV so he is a troll? 

No silly cause he has both and played both. But hes asking which one he should play.

 

"i like a little pvp but pve is what i like the most..i played ff 14 since launch but i keep feeling there is something missing"

and

"i'll try going back to gw2 due to larger..."

 

Who cares what he chooses.  LoL " Hay guys ive played both games so which game should I play of the two games ive already played...." Thats what you were replying to ... LOL

Tsk tsk so worried about the silly FFXIV forum war you don't see the obvious.  

LOL ....... still laughing on how the guy asks which game is better for him to play, when hes playing both games.... LOL

Are you actually laughing this much over this post or do you think in English we begin and end a sentence with lol ?....I can't tell.

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  Kayo45

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10/29/13 2:15:50 PM#48
Well, I bough GW2 at release, and stopped in 2 weeks. FFXIV im on my 2nd month. Nuff said I guess.

Yes, I realize GW2 is free and that I wasted my money if I dont play it a little longer at least. Dont care ... have no interest in playing.
  EvolvedMonky

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10/29/13 2:39:45 PM#49
Originally posted by DamonVile
Originally posted by EvolvedMonky
Originally posted by Bigdaddyx
Originally posted by EvolvedMonky
Originally posted by huihuhuhu2
ty all for the replies..it has been very beneficial..think i'll try going back to gw2 due to larger world,more content,and immersive combat.. i still have a place in my heart for ff 14 just dont think it's ready yet...gw2 makes me feel like i am in a huge world,ff makes me feel the opposite..again ty all

Lol You all fell for a troll....

Huh? so he didn't chose your precious FFXIV so he is a troll? 

No silly cause he has both and played both. But hes asking which one he should play.

 

"i like a little pvp but pve is what i like the most..i played ff 14 since launch but i keep feeling there is something missing"

and

"i'll try going back to gw2 due to larger..."

 

Who cares what he chooses.  LoL " Hay guys ive played both games so which game should I play of the two games ive already played...." Thats what you were replying to ... LOL

Tsk tsk so worried about the silly FFXIV forum war you don't see the obvious.  

LOL ....... still laughing on how the guy asks which game is better for him to play, when hes playing both games.... LOL

Are you actually laughing this much over this post or do you think in English we begin and end a sentence with lol ?....I can't tell.

So your saying in english  we end a sentence with lol but we just dont begin it with lol? or are you saying we cant begin  and end a sentence with lol?  

You brought up the grammatical use of lol in the english language so you tell me the rules.... I never brought up grammar.

I might be biased (just like a lot of posters in this thread)  but im going with is someone uses "lol" in there post there usually trying to express the action of laughing not a lesson in grammar.

  nerovipus32

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10/29/13 2:42:52 PM#50
I would pick gw2 solely based on the fact that it has no subscription. FF14 is not worth a subscription fee.
  Amjoco

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10/29/13 3:04:16 PM#51
Originally posted by nerovipus32
I would pick gw2 solely based on the fact that it has no subscription. FF14 is not worth a subscription fee.

I think it is worth a sub fee, just not as much as other games with way more content. FFXIV has (imho) about a $6.99 price tag. I would pay $14.99 for something like WoW simply because it has so much more to do than ARR.

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  EvolvedMonky

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10/29/13 3:15:29 PM#52
Originally posted by Amjoco
Originally posted by nerovipus32
I would pick gw2 solely based on the fact that it has no subscription. FF14 is not worth a subscription fee.

I think it is worth a sub fee, just not as much as other games with way more content. FFXIV has (imho) about a $6.99 price tag. I would pay $14.99 for something like WoW simply because it has so much more to do than ARR.

Each his own, I would pay $0 for WoW.... Hell I wouldnt play it for free. I hated Warcraft ever since War 3. When it went disney style.

 

Never roamed the WoW forums and trashed it or tried to play gaming messiah to the masses that played it.. cause why would I.   

 

  eyelolled

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10/29/13 3:26:11 PM#53
Originally posted by Purutzil

... I am bias against GW2...

I would have never guessed. In the hundreds of posts where you dictate how great your personal dislike is towards GW2 from your painfully endured four hours or less of gameplay, I would have never thought that you were biased.  I just thought you were a helpful person always willing to share the bountiful resources of your vast experience.  I like to use an acronym for this type of knowledge.

Gathered

For

Your

Studies

 

I think it works well to state that the information provided is to be of help.  You could even tag it  Purutzil GFYS or GFYS Purutzil.

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  ZizouX

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10/29/13 3:48:46 PM#54

FFXIV over GW2.  Apples and Oranges.

 

GW2 was an awesome game for 2 months.  Loved the story, jumping puzzles, dynamic events.  Crafting was lackluster.  I did a little bit of sPvP and enjoyed it.  8 abilities mix matched, a lot of variety in classes and specs.  It is well worth the initial investment of buying the game, and once you do, you have it forever (or until expansions come out).

 

Here's what I dislike about GW2 and why FFXIV is better (for me).  I didn't not like there was no clearly defined roles.  I did not like the action combat after 2 months because it was just spamming and dodging, spamming and dodging.  It became too repetitive and tiring on my hands.  As I've grown older (32) i realized twitched based mmo with 1.5 second cooldown or lower are not my thing.  

 

I didn't like the dungeons.  The designs were great, but they ALWAYS ended up being about dodging red circles on the ground, healing yourself, and raising downed party members.  No tanks, no healers, no dps.  This isn't a bad thing, it's just not my style.  Also, all the bosses, though they had different abilities were the same... it all ended up being dodging red circles on the ground.  In short, it was a cluster FU#@ of running around with yuour head cut off.

 

No raiding was a deal breaker because i like dungeons with party defined roles.  GW2 does not offer that.  It's new, it's shiny, and its the latest version of action combat.  The 2 week content patches for me in GW2 are lackluster.  Some are fun for a week, like the super fun box, or the Christmas event with puzzles and new dungeon, but they're designed to be consumed little at a time.  

 

Here's what I love about FFXIV and why I paid 6 month subscription and have no regrets.

-Clear party defined roles.

-One class can play every single class, gathering or crafting profession.

-Variety comes from switching jobs on the same character, instead of "specing" into another role on the same class.

-DEEP DEEP rewarding crafting system.

-FF Story and all the things I love about FF universe.

-Very well written quests.

-The dungeons are designed EXTREMELY well.  Even the first boss, in the first dungeon is not tank and spank.

-There is a variety of ways to level.  Though people CHOOSE to only FATE grind, you can do dungeons, quests, Fates, leves, etc.

-The upcoming Housing system looks like the best i've seen in any game.

-The game is challenging the higher and higher you go.  I' have beaten Titan yet and i've been trying for 4 weeks.

 

unlike GW2, I prefer big meaty patches with gigantic content updates with new classes, 10 boss raids that take maybe weeks and weeks to beat and challenging boss mechanics requiring everyone to work together and know their role.

 

Both GAME ARE excellent.  Both are worth the price of admission.  Some people do not feel FFXIV's sub is currently justified or will ever be justified.  I respectfully disagree.  The promise of Golden Saucer, New Jobs for existing classes, Crystal Tower, Housing, Arena PvP and Frontlines is worth it.

 

The different between GW2 and FFXIV is small "fun" short burst patches in GW2 vs. gigantic content patches in FFXIV.  My sub pays for the big content patches every 3 months.  

 

It really does come down to the style of game you like.  both games are excellent in their own right.

  MarzAttakz

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10/30/13 6:04:38 AM#55

I enjoy both games for different reasons:

GUILD WARS 2: For WvW exclusively, still some of the funnest pvp around. In my opinion PvE is boring and unimaginative.

FFXIV ARR: PvE only for obvious reasons but I missed my trinity roles too much to not play. Sure some of it is grindy and it has flaws but I believe, or hope rather, that given the right amount of time end game will be expanded and some quality of life improvements will be implemented.

Furthermore I honestly feel that The Secret World doesn't get the exposure or credit for how good it actually is. In my opinion it has one of the nicest class/skill based systems to date. The story and locations are a breath of fresh air (mostly). They also have some of the hardest quests I've ever come across (if you don't google everything). Regarding the dungeons, well, each and every one of them is unique in it's own way. They have some great mechanics, some incredible boss abilities and can be run on different difficulties.

Unfortunately it is B2P but I would highly recommend you give it a try.

  fivoroth

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10/30/13 7:48:45 AM#56
Gw 2 doesn't feel like an MMO. It's more like an action RPG (minus having to farm for fat loot). It does have a nice world which is broken down into zones (aka not seamless like say in wow). Lack of roles is a defining feature and if you like pew pew in other mmos (aka brain dead dps) you will love gw2.if you love tanking or healing you are out of lack. This game is for dps fan boys only.

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  Ridelynn

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10/30/13 9:17:22 AM#57


Originally posted by Satimasu
You can play both if you don't mind a sub. So I don't see what the problem is. I like both, so I can't understand having to hate one or the other.

This. Games aren't mutually exclusive. I don't understand the either-or mentality.

Even if you can't afford both today, there's nothing saying you can't try one out, then later on try the other out.

Even being a sub, sub games come with the first 30 days free with the box, so you don't have to pay the sub until you've basically figured out if you like it or not.

  fivoroth

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10/30/13 2:11:42 PM#58
Originally posted by Ridelynn

 


Originally posted by Satimasu
You can play both if you don't mind a sub. So I don't see what the problem is. I like both, so I can't understand having to hate one or the other.

 

This. Games aren't mutually exclusive. I don't understand the either-or mentality.

Even if you can't afford both today, there's nothing saying you can't try one out, then later on try the other out.

Even being a sub, sub games come with the first 30 days free with the box, so you don't have to pay the sub until you've basically figured out if you like it or not.

Time is also a factor. How many people have time to play 2 MMOs? MMOs are notorious for requiring players to spend crazy hours per week to get anywhere so it's very unlikely to play 2 MMOs at the same time. I found that even when playing 15 hours a week (which is still quite a bit) it was still not enough to get anywhere in an MMO. IF a first playthrough requires 100 hours it would take you 1.5-2 months. At least it didn't take ages like in some older MMOs. My first level 60 in wow during vanilla had 10 days /played when I hit max level. Now that toooook a long while :D

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  DamonVile

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10/30/13 2:19:59 PM#59
Originally posted by fivoroth
Originally posted by Ridelynn

 


Originally posted by Satimasu
You can play both if you don't mind a sub. So I don't see what the problem is. I like both, so I can't understand having to hate one or the other.

 

This. Games aren't mutually exclusive. I don't understand the either-or mentality.

Even if you can't afford both today, there's nothing saying you can't try one out, then later on try the other out.

Even being a sub, sub games come with the first 30 days free with the box, so you don't have to pay the sub until you've basically figured out if you like it or not.

Time is also a factor. How many people have time to play 2 MMOs? MMOs are notorious for requiring players to spend crazy hours per week to get anywhere so it's very unlikely to play 2 MMOs at the same time. I found that even when playing 15 hours a week (which is still quite a bit) it was still not enough to get anywhere in an MMO. IF a first playthrough requires 100 hours it would take you 1.5-2 months. At least it didn't take ages like in some older MMOs. My first level 60 in wow during vanilla had 10 days /played when I hit max level. Now that toooook a long while :D

I totally disagree. With the way mmos launch now, playing 2 or even 3 at a time means they might have some actual content added by the time you reach that point where it's grind gear or stand in town with nothing to do.

If I can get to max lvl in 2 months playing one mmo, playing 3 means it might take me 6. That's about how often some of these games get real content updates...and I don't include finding 10k candy bits or running the one single dungeon 40 times to get all your gear to drop content worth waiting for.

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  Husvik

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10/30/13 2:35:12 PM#60
FFXIV all the way. I played GW2 and was great for about month, even though there is no monthly fee i uninstalled it as it just sucking up hard drive.
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