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  laserit

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10/22/13 12:49:15 PM#21

Hahaha

 

Some of the crap on this site, just cracks me up ;)

 

I guess I'm a  little younger and a little less rude than Neo, I'm a paltry 49 years of age but I still can remember the day that the beatles broke up ;)

 

I started with Pong moved up to an Atari 2600, Tandy TRS80, Intellivision, Colecovision, Amiga 1000, 286, Sega, 386, 486, Pentium, Pentium II blah blah blah

I love good games... Table top, console, PC, doesn't matter what the hell they're played on. As far as Dicks go... they come in all colors. The biggest Dicks are the ones that think they're better then everyone else.

 

MMORPG's on consoles? Bring it on, the more the merrier.

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  Silverchild

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10/22/13 12:59:59 PM#22
Originally posted by Neo_Viper

And see your reaction? "yes I'm talking about FF14, which has been seriously hurt because of PC users and their exploits". Pretty much what I was talking about. You can't move as precisely and fast with a controller than you can with a mouse+keyboard, and that's what the console games consider "exploits". It's just like someone back in time trying to play Doom 100% with the keyboard against someone playing with a mouse - he would be utterly owned.

 

It isnt about KB+mouse vs Controller. Its an MMO we are talking about, there is no need for "precise and fast" movement.

 

PC users can more easily run hacks / bots, etc. In the case of FF14, we see "bots" gathering 24/7, and teleporting between nodes. Not sure how someone could do that on a console.

 

This is definitely one advantage of "console MMOs". They make cheating harder than on PC.

 

  Silverchild

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10/22/13 1:02:20 PM#23
Originally posted by Hatefull

 

Agreed. I want nothing to do with a console in an MMO with me. Defiance and FFXIV have proven (to me anyway) they do not mix well. Give the consoles their own server, let PC have theirs.

Whats wrong with it?

 

I play FFXIV and I enjoy the fact that I can play it, on my PC, with friends that own it on PS3.

 

So far, its only been "we dont want console MMO, console has bad community".... thats it? No other reason?

  User Deleted
10/22/13 1:13:34 PM#24

I will say it is much easier to navigate maps, menus, crafting logs, etc with a mouse. Keyboards are easier to type with than a gamepad. But as far as combat, game pads vs kb/mouse, its just personal preference... and the game itself for that matter.

  Vermillion_Raventhal

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10/22/13 1:29:16 PM#25
Lol PC vs. Console is retard. A game is a game is a game. I play games where ever when ever computer, phone, consoles. If you can't properly transition you're just not a diverse gamer.
  dave6660

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"Next time I see you, remind me not to talk to you."

10/22/13 1:33:52 PM#26

The "nobody will be suffering from lag" part was funny.

I still don't see what consoles can do better than PC's as far as MMORPG's.  I've been playing PC games on a big screen TV for years now.

"Why so serious?"
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  DamonVile

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10/22/13 1:34:58 PM#27

If I'm understanding the OP correctly what he's saying is MMOs will be great again because there is a whole new market of people that they can feed the same tired old bull shit too because they've never seen it before!!!

That doesn't sound like a fix fro what's wrong. It sounds like anew market to peddle your crappy drugs in.

People are like cats. When they die, you get a new one.

  Quirhid

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10/22/13 2:00:58 PM#28
Originally posted by dave6660

The "nobody will be suffering from lag" part was funny.

I still don't see what consoles can do better than PC's as far as MMORPG's.  I've been playing PC games on a big screen TV for years now.

Its the controller. For some games (driving, flying, sports...), it works better than mouse & keyboard. You don't have the option to alt-tab either, which oddly makes my gaming sessions lengthier. It is somehow more relaxed.

I skate to where the puck is going to be, not where it has been -Wayne Gretzky

  nariusseldon

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10/22/13 2:01:07 PM#29
Originally posted by dave6660

The "nobody will be suffering from lag" part was funny.

I still don't see what consoles can do better than PC's as far as MMORPG's.  I've been playing PC games on a big screen TV for years now.

To reach the console players?

To side-step any software technical issues?

 

  Swedish_Chef

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Bort bort bort!

10/22/13 2:02:26 PM#30
Originally posted by Neo_Viper
Originally posted by SavageHorizon
Originally posted by Neo_Viper
Originally posted by immodium
Originally posted by Neo_Viper

As long as the console servers are separated from the PC servers, I couldn't care less. I just don't want the console crowd to invade games I play.

And EQ Next has never been announced on consoles yet. There have only been assumptions and theories by some gaming web sites, nothing more.

Why wouldn't you want console gamers to invade your game? PC players are just as annoying. :)

Compared to places like (e.g.) XBox Live, the worse MMO communities look like they are full of highly intelligent people.

Yes it has got a bad community, thankfully i have a PS3 as well as my PC and don't have to put up with Xbox live.

To make it short, the MMO community is already bad enough, it doesn't need to be made worse by the invasion of console teenagers.

This above line makes you just as bad as the so called teenagers you are moaning about, stones and glass houses come to mind.

Not to mention that keyboard+mouse is infinitely superior to a gamepad to control a MMO, and it would create imbalances and massive whining from the console crowd resulting in dumbing down the game to adapt to them.

Total fabrication on your part lol, you have no proof of the part i've highlighted in red.

Think you will find that the average age of console gamer's is around the 30 years of age mark.

How old are you?

Older than the age you mention, and most likely older than you (my age is in my profile).

 

Originally posted by vmoped
Originally posted by Neo_Viper

As long as the console servers are separated from the PC servers, I couldn't care less. I just don't want the console crowd to invade games I play. A MMORPG which releases and shares the same servers between PC and console gamers will be a MMORPG I won't even try.

And EQ Next has never been announced on consoles yet. There have only been assumptions and theories by some gaming web sites, nothing more.

 The irony of this statement is the ffxi has one of the best communities and is shared across consoles and pcs, ffxiv also has a great community as well.  Regardless of the game's mechanics, the communities are fabulous, regardless of what hardware the player uses.  Hardware does not correlate with personality mate.  I have met awesome people on both, and not so awesome people on both.  Assuming one crowd is more mature than the other is just plan ignorance.  People once tried that with races as well...

Cheers!

You possibly have been lucky with your guild there, but my experience with those games was pretty horrible - it made WoW's barren chat sound like a highly intellectual discussion between two scientists.

Hardware does correlate with personality, and I'm definitely not your "mate". Consoles = easily accessible, plug in and play. PC = harder to configure and to maintain properly (even if that has become easier past 2005). People with not a clue about how a computer works and who have a low education level play console games. Not saying that about people posting here, but in general.

Sorry, I don't enjoy the company of the "LOL WTF ROFLCOPTER" crowd, and console gamers would only make that even worse than it is today. I hope developers will keep servers separated, and I will petition for that on the forums of future games I'm interested in.

To make it clear, I don't talk about discrimination here. I have no problem with console gamers having access to MMORPGs too, as long as it doesn't mean the PC version being dumbed down to adapt to consoles. I just don't want those people in my community (=server), just as I don't want the nightclub crowd and its loud music to invade my favorite pub and it's celtic, jazz and rock music. Different people, different tastes, different places. I don't force people to come to my pub, and I won't accept people trying to force me to go to their nightclub. If a game tries that, I will just not give it any of my money.

I'd rather put up with a hundred console players then just one ridiculous, elitist, immature person such as yourself. People with your snobbish, childish attitude make me ashamed to be a PC gamer sometimes.

Hate to break it to you pal, but communities from games which came along years before Xbox  LIVE & other console networks generally make the people on those services appear positively angelic by comparison. You have absolutely no room whatsoever to hold yourself above anyone who chooses, either by preference or circumstance, a different gaming platform than yourself.

I've met some arseholes on XBL, but people like you piss me off more than they ever have or could. If making MMOs accessible to console gamers means I don't have to deal with people such as yourself in them, then I say that day cannot come soon enough.

  Falcomith

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10/22/13 2:03:05 PM#31
Originally posted by Silverchild
Originally posted by Hatefull

 

Agreed. I want nothing to do with a console in an MMO with me. Defiance and FFXIV have proven (to me anyway) they do not mix well. Give the consoles their own server, let PC have theirs.

Whats wrong with it?

 

I play FFXIV and I enjoy the fact that I can play it, on my PC, with friends that own it on PS3.

 

So far, its only been "we dont want console MMO, console has bad community".... thats it? No other reason?

My biggest gripe is communication. Since you mentioned FFXIV. Have you ran dungeons where no one talks? You try to give instructions and ask if everyone understood and get no answer? I tanked several dungeons in FFXIV and was wondering why I wasnt getting any responses. Then I remembered, I was with some that had the console version while I was on my PC and chatting is not as easy for console users as it is on PC.

Now thats not a reason to not make MMORPGs for console, nor is it a reason not to play one that is cross platformed. But it is a drawback if you want some organization in group content where every one has easy access to some form of communication with each other. Those little keypads for consoles suck. I know, I have one. :)

  dave6660

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10/22/13 2:03:59 PM#32
Originally posted by Quirhid
Originally posted by dave6660

The "nobody will be suffering from lag" part was funny.

I still don't see what consoles can do better than PC's as far as MMORPG's.  I've been playing PC games on a big screen TV for years now.

Its the controller. For some games (driving, flying, sports...), it works better than mouse & keyboard. You don't have the option to alt-tab either, which oddly makes my gaming sessions lengthier. It is somehow more relaxed.

I own a game pad, flight stick, racing wheel and an arcade fighting stick for my computer.  These devices are not console exclusive.

"Why so serious?"
-- The Joker

  dave6660

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10/22/13 2:04:45 PM#33
Originally posted by nariusseldon
Originally posted by dave6660

The "nobody will be suffering from lag" part was funny.

I still don't see what consoles can do better than PC's as far as MMORPG's.  I've been playing PC games on a big screen TV for years now.

To reach the console players?

To side-step any software technical issues?

 

That's not better, that's a different audience.  Consoles don't have their own technical issues?

"Why so serious?"
-- The Joker

  Neo_Viper

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If I agreed with you we'd both be wrong.

10/22/13 2:13:50 PM#34
Originally posted by Swedish_Chef
Originally posted by Neo_Viper
Originally posted by SavageHorizon
Originally posted by Neo_Viper
Originally posted by immodium
Originally posted by Neo_Viper

As long as the console servers are separated from the PC servers, I couldn't care less. I just don't want the console crowd to invade games I play.

And EQ Next has never been announced on consoles yet. There have only been assumptions and theories by some gaming web sites, nothing more.

Why wouldn't you want console gamers to invade your game? PC players are just as annoying. :)

Compared to places like (e.g.) XBox Live, the worse MMO communities look like they are full of highly intelligent people.

Yes it has got a bad community, thankfully i have a PS3 as well as my PC and don't have to put up with Xbox live.

To make it short, the MMO community is already bad enough, it doesn't need to be made worse by the invasion of console teenagers.

This above line makes you just as bad as the so called teenagers you are moaning about, stones and glass houses come to mind.

Not to mention that keyboard+mouse is infinitely superior to a gamepad to control a MMO, and it would create imbalances and massive whining from the console crowd resulting in dumbing down the game to adapt to them.

Total fabrication on your part lol, you have no proof of the part i've highlighted in red.

Think you will find that the average age of console gamer's is around the 30 years of age mark.

How old are you?

Older than the age you mention, and most likely older than you (my age is in my profile).

 

Originally posted by vmoped
Originally posted by Neo_Viper

As long as the console servers are separated from the PC servers, I couldn't care less. I just don't want the console crowd to invade games I play. A MMORPG which releases and shares the same servers between PC and console gamers will be a MMORPG I won't even try.

And EQ Next has never been announced on consoles yet. There have only been assumptions and theories by some gaming web sites, nothing more.

 The irony of this statement is the ffxi has one of the best communities and is shared across consoles and pcs, ffxiv also has a great community as well.  Regardless of the game's mechanics, the communities are fabulous, regardless of what hardware the player uses.  Hardware does not correlate with personality mate.  I have met awesome people on both, and not so awesome people on both.  Assuming one crowd is more mature than the other is just plan ignorance.  People once tried that with races as well...

Cheers!

You possibly have been lucky with your guild there, but my experience with those games was pretty horrible - it made WoW's barren chat sound like a highly intellectual discussion between two scientists.

Hardware does correlate with personality, and I'm definitely not your "mate". Consoles = easily accessible, plug in and play. PC = harder to configure and to maintain properly (even if that has become easier past 2005). People with not a clue about how a computer works and who have a low education level play console games. Not saying that about people posting here, but in general.

Sorry, I don't enjoy the company of the "LOL WTF ROFLCOPTER" crowd, and console gamers would only make that even worse than it is today. I hope developers will keep servers separated, and I will petition for that on the forums of future games I'm interested in.

To make it clear, I don't talk about discrimination here. I have no problem with console gamers having access to MMORPGs too, as long as it doesn't mean the PC version being dumbed down to adapt to consoles. I just don't want those people in my community (=server), just as I don't want the nightclub crowd and its loud music to invade my favorite pub and it's celtic, jazz and rock music. Different people, different tastes, different places. I don't force people to come to my pub, and I won't accept people trying to force me to go to their nightclub. If a game tries that, I will just not give it any of my money.

I'd rather put up with a hundred console players then just one ridiculous, elitist, immature person such as yourself. People with your snobbish, childish attitude make me ashamed to be a PC gamer sometimes.

Hate to break it to you pal, but communities from games which came along years before Xbox  LIVE & other console networks generally make the people on those services appear positively angelic by comparison. You have absolutely no room whatsoever to hold yourself above anyone who chooses, either by preference or circumstance, a different gaming platform than yourself.

I've met some arseholes on XBL, but people like you piss me off more than they ever have or could. If making MMOs accessible to console gamers means I don't have to deal with people such as yourself in them, then I say that day cannot come soon enough.

So we agree that the servers should be separated?

Thanks a lot for agreeing with me.

And believe me or not, I'm a very nice and helpful person in games. I just don't tolerate immature people (no matter their age) to ruin my gaming time, so I join guilds that fit my age and play style, and I do not like the general attitude of the console crowd either, I don't think they fit the MMORPG style well and they will only drag it lower than it already is, dumbing down the games and making them less and less about being a "RPG".

Reread my pub vs nightclub analogy, there's enough room for everyone to have fun without stepping on each other's toes. I really hope you will be happy on console servers, as I will be on PC servers. Maybe in the same games. Isn't it a "win win" situation for both of us?

My computer is better than yours.

  nariusseldon

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10/22/13 2:16:09 PM#35
Originally posted by dave6660
Originally posted by nariusseldon
Originally posted by dave6660

The "nobody will be suffering from lag" part was funny.

I still don't see what consoles can do better than PC's as far as MMORPG's.  I've been playing PC games on a big screen TV for years now.

To reach the console players?

To side-step any software technical issues?

 

That's not better, that's a different audience.  Consoles don't have their own technical issues?

Better at getting a different audience? That is certainly "better" in the eyes of devs.

Console have fewer technical issues. I have problemes with some PC games before which requires updating of drivers & DirectX and stuff like that (or even have to turn off anti-aliasing).

I never have a problem in a console game that i have to trouble shoot.

 

  nariusseldon

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10/22/13 2:17:33 PM#36
Originally posted by Neo_Viper

And believe me or not, I'm a very nice and helpful person in games. I just don't tolerate immature people (no matter their age) to ruin my gaming time, so I join guilds that fit my age and play style, and I do not like the general attitude of the console crowd either, I don't think they fit the MMORPG style well and they will only drag it lower than it already is, dumbing down the games and making them less and less about being a "RPG".

 

What MMORPG style?

Solo style? Epleen style? elite style? I think they will fit just right in.

 

  Conley

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10/22/13 2:19:38 PM#37
Originally posted by Neo_Viper
 

To make it short, the MMO community is already bad enough, it doesn't need to be made worse by the invasion of console teenagers.

Not to mention that keyboard+mouse is infinitely superior to a gamepad to control a MMO, and it would create imbalances and massive whining from the console crowd resulting in dumbing down the game to adapt to them.

First of all, I'm a console (and also PC gamer) and I'm 36. I'm planning to buy a PS4, but I'm hardly an old console user. The average age of the PS3 user is 44! If you call that teenager then you must be really old!

http://www.joystiq.com/2008/06/23/new-study-compares-360-ps3-consumers/

Secondly wether or not to mix PC and console users really depends on the game. For many games have combat systems that really don't give much of an advantage to keyboard mouse users, an excellent example is FF14 a game that allows PC and PS3 users to mix and thats working like a dream! Many would argue that FF11 has better controls for PS3 even. 

On the other hand there are also games that are more twitch based and especially if they require fast targetting keyboard and mouse could have an advantage. Example would be first person shooters. In such games i would also rather see the servers being console only. 

 

 

  immodium

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10/22/13 2:20:20 PM#38
Originally posted by nariusseldon
Originally posted by Neo_Viper

And believe me or not, I'm a very nice and helpful person in games. I just don't tolerate immature people (no matter their age) to ruin my gaming time, so I join guilds that fit my age and play style, and I do not like the general attitude of the console crowd either, I don't think they fit the MMORPG style well and they will only drag it lower than it already is, dumbing down the games and making them less and less about being a "RPG".

 

What MMORPG style?

Solo style? Epleen style? elite style? I think they will fit just right in.

 

Exactly. Its totally preposterous to think you have to have a higher intelligence level to play MMORPG's.

  Neo_Viper

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If I agreed with you we'd both be wrong.

10/22/13 2:24:59 PM#39
Originally posted by immodium
Originally posted by nariusseldon
Originally posted by Neo_Viper

And believe me or not, I'm a very nice and helpful person in games. I just don't tolerate immature people (no matter their age) to ruin my gaming time, so I join guilds that fit my age and play style, and I do not like the general attitude of the console crowd either, I don't think they fit the MMORPG style well and they will only drag it lower than it already is, dumbing down the games and making them less and less about being a "RPG".

 

What MMORPG style?

Solo style? Epleen style? elite style? I think they will fit just right in.

 

Exactly. Its totally preposterous to think you have to have a higher intelligence level to play MMORPG's.

It's not a problem of intelligence. I'm sure there are scientists and other very intelligent people playing on consoles.

It's a problem of taking the game for what it is, a MMO, but also a RPG. The concept console gamers have of RPGs are very different from what a pen and paper and PC MMORPG veteran have.

Some people here seem to think the MMORPG genre has been dumbed down by games like WoW, mostly the RPG part. Well, they have seen nothing. If the console crowd ever takes over the genre, you will know what dumbing down really means. No more roleplaying, no communication either, dungeons run 100% like single player mario bross levels, no player interaction other than bashing mobs to earn phat loot.

That's why I do not want to play my MMORPGs with console gamers. Would you talk about 3rd person shooters, or other arcade games, I wouldn't mind. But a MMORPG on a console is just a MMO, and no longer a RPG.

My computer is better than yours.

  nariusseldon

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10/22/13 2:26:04 PM#40
Originally posted by immodium
Originally posted by nariusseldon
Originally posted by Neo_Viper

And believe me or not, I'm a very nice and helpful person in games. I just don't tolerate immature people (no matter their age) to ruin my gaming time, so I join guilds that fit my age and play style, and I do not like the general attitude of the console crowd either, I don't think they fit the MMORPG style well and they will only drag it lower than it already is, dumbing down the games and making them less and less about being a "RPG".

 

What MMORPG style?

Solo style? Epleen style? elite style? I think they will fit just right in.

 

Exactly. Its totally preposterous to think you have to have a higher intelligence level to play MMORPG's.

hehehe... intelligence level ... for using an entertainment product?

You are right on. I hope people don't think that getting something in a pve game is a real achievement. It is just an illusion created by the dev to make you feel good .. part of the entertainment experience.

 

 

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