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  Sovrath

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10/20/13 11:13:20 AM#61
Originally posted by Kyleran
 

No, the player base didn't change, at least not in the way you describe.  You started MMO gaming at a time in your life when you had more free time.  I was already much older and had far less time than you so I set aside what I could and focused on the aspects of older titles and skipped the others.

Time marches on, you no longer have the free time you did, but since my children grew up I now have much more free time so am looking for more time consuming content.

Also, a new generation has stepped in behind you to take your former slot and they  have as much time as you ever did and can devote the time required.

10-12 years ago, there was a large number of people who would not play these games due to their time consuming virtual world designs, and what really changed is the game designs themselves to draw them into the market since they actually were the larger segment as WOW proved so that's what every AAA developer has been chasing since.

Back to Vanguard.  It really was a reinvention of EQ 1, so I don't see it as the game changer the OP does, it's success might have drawn a few more dev's into creating more alternate versions of it, but WOW was the big dog in the room and it's features are what appealed to a far greater percentage of the market and even in VG was almost perfect, it would not have appealed to this new casual player base that Blizzard managed to unlock.

 

pretty much "all this".

  Doogiehowser

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10/20/13 11:15:40 AM#62
Originally posted by jfoytek

You need water to put out fire....

 

Ultima and Everquest were the polar opposites in the old days...

 

WoW has taken the Theampark thrown from EQ....

 

But the developers haven't made a sandbox game capable of taking the Sandbox Throne from Ultima Onile....

 

Mark my word the game that surpases WoW and knocks it off the stump will not be a theam park it will be a Sandbox!!!

Been hearing this for 10 years now. Still nothing but castle in the air.

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  Nadia

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10/20/13 11:30:45 AM#63
Originally posted by Neo_Viper

Calling EQ a hub based game is just beyond ridiculous to me.

Yet you were moving from level specific area to level specific area, without any other possible choice. You couldn't go back to a lower level area and be rewarded, you were forced to stick to the most efficient zone for your level. Linear progression, hub based. Same in WoW, you move from quest hub to quest hub. Which is in no way true for GW2.

I had plenty of options leveing in EQ and i dont consider public dungeons hubs

 

players porting around with Wizards spires and Druid rings going to different zones/dungeons for SAME level content

 

to you -- zone based gameplay is a hub based play

to me -- quest based game w hubs are the only "quest hubs" i recognize

  Soliloquy

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10/20/13 11:31:56 AM#64
Just a reminder to keep things civil.
  AIMonster

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10/20/13 11:34:36 AM#65

So let's just say Vanguard was an entirely different game is what I'm getting from the OP?

Couldn't we have said this about every MMO then?

What direction would you have liked old school MMOs to evolve to?  Can you give specific examples of features you'd like to see evolved?

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  mad-hatter

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10/20/13 11:41:48 AM#66
Ah, Vanguard, the original "WoW Killer". We all see how that turned out.
  Nadia

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10/20/13 11:50:00 AM#67
Originally posted by mad-hatter
Ah, Vanguard, the original "WoW Killer". We all see how that turned out.

as I already posted

Vanguard was never intended to be a WOW killer

 

http://web.archive.org/web/20070609181848/http://www.fohguild.org/forums/mmorpg-general-discussion/18145-sigil-defines-core-gamers-re-vanguard-6.html

Aradune: Does our core gamer = WoW's casual gamer? I don't have their internal data, obviously, but I doubt it.

 

  nariusseldon

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10/20/13 11:53:57 AM#68
big empty world with no instances? I will pass.
  RebelScum99

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10/20/13 11:55:52 AM#69
Originally posted by jfoytek

 

 Mark my word the game that surpases WoW and knocks it off the stump will not be a theam park it will be a Sandbox!!!

I can absolutely 100% guarantee that you're wrong about that.  A true sandbox game will never pull in the amount of players to surpass WoW, because the casuals will stay away from it.  And without the casuals, you won't get the kind of numbers you'd need to dethrone a game like WoW.  

No, the game that would have a chance to dethrone WoW would be a hybrid.  Enough player-made content to sustain itself indefinitely and with enough challenge to keep the hardcores around, yet also enough developer-created content, lore, and ease of gameplay to keep casuals happy and involved.  

 

  Neo_Viper

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If I agreed with you we'd both be wrong.

10/20/13 12:08:28 PM#70
Originally posted by RebelScum99
Originally posted by jfoytek

 

 Mark my word the game that surpases WoW and knocks it off the stump will not be a theam park it will be a Sandbox!!!

I can absolutely 100% guarantee that you're wrong about that.  A true sandbox game will never pull in the amount of players to surpass WoW, because the casuals will stay away from it.  And without the casuals, you won't get the kind of numbers you'd need to dethrone a game like WoW.  

No, the game that would have a chance to dethrone WoW would be a hybrid.  Enough player-made content to sustain itself indefinitely and with enough challenge to keep the hardcores around, yet also enough developer-created content, lore, and ease of gameplay to keep casuals happy and involved.  

 

 

Are you trying to say that a sandbox game can't be casual friendly? I think the millions who are playing Minecraft right now are disagreeing with you. "Sandbox" does mean "pain in the ass to play", or "FFA PvP", or any other crap significations some of the local crowd here gave it.

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  jfoytek

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10/20/13 12:11:23 PM#71
Originally posted by RebelScum99
Originally posted by jfoytek

 

 Mark my word the game that surpases WoW and knocks it off the stump will not be a theam park it will be a Sandbox!!!

I can absolutely 100% guarantee that you're wrong about that.  A true sandbox game will never pull in the amount of players to surpass WoW, because the casuals will stay away from it.  And without the casuals, you won't get the kind of numbers you'd need to dethrone a game like WoW.  

No, the game that would have a chance to dethrone WoW would be a hybrid.  Enough player-made content to sustain itself indefinitely and with enough challenge to keep the hardcores around, yet also enough developer-created content, lore, and ease of gameplay to keep casuals happy and involved.  

 

I don't know where you get the idea that Sandbox games don't work for casual players....

Ultima Online was awesome for casual players infact sandbox games in my opinion work way better for a casual player then a theampark with instances does any day of the week.....

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  page975

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OP  10/20/13 12:32:28 PM#72
Originally posted by jfoytek
Originally posted by RebelScum99
Originally posted by jfoytek

 

 Mark my word the game that surpases WoW and knocks it off the stump will not be a theam park it will be a Sandbox!!!

I can absolutely 100% guarantee that you're wrong about that.  A true sandbox game will never pull in the amount of players to surpass WoW, because the casuals will stay away from it.  And without the casuals, you won't get the kind of numbers you'd need to dethrone a game like WoW.  

No, the game that would have a chance to dethrone WoW would be a hybrid.  Enough player-made content to sustain itself indefinitely and with enough challenge to keep the hardcores around, yet also enough developer-created content, lore, and ease of gameplay to keep casuals happy and involved.  

 

I don't know where you get the idea that Sandbox games don't work for casual players....

Ultima Online was awesome for casual players infact sandbox games in my opinion work way better for a casual player then a theampark with instances does any day of the week.....

I 100% agree with you jfoytek,

I think the WoW killer will be a sandbox, but it would have to be a full size sandbox......FF14 Just got a huge following with most of us thinking it would be a sandbox.  But unfortunetly it's a small 30 game like the rest of them.

  Kyleran

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10/20/13 1:25:29 PM#73
Originally posted by nariusseldon
Originally posted by GregorMcgregor
 

Amen! Wisdom at last, sadly, it is to late and the "I want it NOW!" kids have won.

As an older gamer, and part of that "old school" I look back over the last few years of the MMOs that came out and sigh.

I am honestly thinking it's time to hang the sword and start messing about in normal *boring single player games. (*Boring beats funless chore, and anyway, most of these newer MMOs WERE single player!).

nah .. also the "I want it NOW!" adults have won.

As an older gamer, and part of that "old school" I look back over the last few years of the MMOs that came out and cheers.

 

 

LOL, you may have been playing MMORPGs back in the day, but you never were one of "us", meaning players who enjoyed those early titles as they were designed and delivered. You don't get to wave the old school flag. One feature I actually liked in VG were all the different starting areas, really gave the world character which has largely been discarded in more modem titles. (to your great joy, yes we know Nar)

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  nilden

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10/20/13 1:39:40 PM#74
Vanguard put Sigil games out of business and made sure some of the leading people behind it never worked in the industry again. It would not have changed anything even if it was a technical masterpiece. You know what might have changed the genre a game where everyone played as sea creatures trying to survive in the open ocean. Of course that would mean companies in this industry had to be creative and not just copy something, slim chance of that happening.

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  iridescence

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10/20/13 1:48:18 PM#75

I don't really have the perspective to know what Vanguard was supposed to be when it came out but I've tried the F2P version  out recently and I really find it quite enjoyable. The only real drawbacks being dated graphics, sparse population and occasional lag spikes. I think it's a game where they promoted it more and repolished it with 2013 technology it could get at least a cult following like EVE has. Certainly as a game design I find it far superior to both WoW and things like GW2.

 

But, I don't think it would have ever changed anything. It is more well designed and fully featured than most other themeparks out there but it is still a themepark MMO with many of the tropes you can find in all of that genre. What I'm really waiting for is the game that really perfects the virtual world fantasy sandbox. It will undoubtedly be a niche game because the only thing that will kill WoW is probably something even more dumbed down and made for consoles, but I will love this  niche game...

 

  thecapitaine

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10/20/13 1:49:26 PM#76

I'm not so sure that a perfected Vanguard would have done all that much, honestly.  SWG was in many ways the next sandbox step after UO and though it was popular and had a great IP it didn't pull in WoW-like numbers either.  Despite the popularity of sandboxes on places like MMORPG.com, I'm still unconvinced that the majority of current MMO players truly want the full-on sandbox experience in lieu of the themeparks that have cornered the market.  That's not to say that a good sandbox/hybrid couldn't come along to shake things up but I don't believe VG was ever poised to be that trendsetting game.

 

 

  Vermillion_Raventhal

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10/20/13 2:09:55 PM#77
Its a fallacy to say that you can't have themeparks or quest hubs in a sandbox. In fact themeparks/quest hubs were in SWG where the term themepark was invented.
  jiveturkey12

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10/20/13 2:16:19 PM#78

Could have but Brad Mcquaid fucked it up with his inability to make good on ANY of his promises.

 

I used to have a post on here that was directly quoted from the old Vanguard Forums, where Brad Mcquaid litterally stated they had a working system in the game that allowed Mage/Caster characters to "Steal" abilities from enemies.

 

The exact example he gave was a Goblin Shaman in a far off cave that used a powerful fireball spell, and the player could fight the Shaman and learn the Fireball simply by the Shaman attacking him with the ability until the character learned the spell.

 

Sounds awesome right?

 

There was NOTHING CLOSE to that in the game. 

 

IMO Diplomacy and Boats made Vanguard, ive never seen such an intricate system as the Diplomacy and the stories were intelligently written and well made, someone take THAT system and make it anew!

  jfoytek

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10/20/13 2:29:36 PM#79
Originally posted by Vermillion_Raventhal
Its a fallacy to say that you can't have themeparks or quest hubs in a sandbox. In fact themeparks/quest hubs were in SWG where the term themepark was invented.

There were several version's of SWG,

Unfortunatley Lucas Arts felt the initial subscription base wasn't enough for the Name Star War's although it was quite healthy, and on par with everquest....

 

No it wasn't on par with WoW but nothing has ever been....

 

The original SWG was most definitely a sandbox, and possibly the best game ever released, but as it went on it got dumbed down and the push to make it more theampark like consumed it till it was a flaming piece of poo......

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  Vermillion_Raventhal

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10/20/13 3:03:30 PM#80
Themeparks were always in SWG. SWG biggest problem was polish.
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