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General Discussion  » Everquest Next: Immersion Server Proposed Ruleset Poll

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  moguy2

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Wish I had something positive to say =(

10/22/13 5:48:08 AM#41
You are gonna have to fire back up Everquest if you want to get all your asking for. EQNext is going to be just like all the other new games being released these days. Catering to those that get frusterated easily and overall just a normal run of the mill game that you can smash stuff in. Woo hoo .
  sgtalon

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10/22/13 8:13:58 AM#42
Originally posted by moguy2
You are gonna have to fire back up Everquest if you want to get all your asking for. EQNext is going to be just like all the other new games being released these days. Catering to those that get frusterated easily and overall just a normal run of the mill game that you can smash stuff in. Woo hoo .

Unfortunately EQ is not EQ anymore. It is totally an easy mode game now. I actually did just fire EQ back up and started a new character. There are a couple hundred zones now, yet you only need to visit about a dozen to get to level 60 or so. 

Travel through the Plane of Knowledge means you can be where ever you want within 2 zones in minutes. Everything you need to buy is right there. Most people spend their time AFK in POK. 

Leveling is so fast that you can get a character to end game stuff in a week if you work at it. Gear is ridiculous. My friend is level 30 and has most of his stats maxed with the Defiant Gear he got at level 20.

Add in the new Mercenary healers and tanks and you can solo almost everything. I go in there with my Ranger and a Merc Healer and can solo red mobs or 3 or 4 yellows at a time. XP comes so fast that I usually don't bother to let my merc cleric Rez me so i don't have to re-buff. 

Most of the awesome gear drops off of random mobs instead of named. Quests are almost pointless since you can get great gear from random grindy mobs.

It is rather disappointing, yet still better than playing Rift or the Dragon whatever that is out now. I definitely miss the days of old when MMORPG meant some real action and excitement.

Hopefully, EQN Devs realize this and don't follow the crowd. The fact that they scrapped the game and started over leads me to believe that they are serious about making something better.

  Bivin

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Convenience corrupts; absolute convenience corrupts absolutely.

 
OP  10/22/13 9:12:40 AM#43
By the way, for anyone who didn't already catch it, the podcast with MMORPG of some of the devs (including Dave G. ) is very encouraging.

To jump to the meat concerning EQN, find between 17:40 and 25:00, where Dave G. says basically that the game is going to buck the MMO trend, encourage group play, and be harder overall. I can't find a transcript yet.

Here's the link:

http://www.mmorpg.com/gameon.cfm/cast/61 (Note especially Dave G.'s comments between about 17:40 and 24:00. Good stuff.)

In EQN, would an Immersion server (high risk) interest you?
Vote here:
http://www.wepolls.com/p/20521024/Would-you-create-a-character-on-an-Immersion-Server-in-Everquest-Next-%2C-EQ-Next-%28See-Blurb-below-for-proposed-server-rules.

  Scorchien

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10/22/13 9:18:57 AM#44
 Voted .. A..  and hell yea bring back a challenge to gaming  , instead of the easy-mode junk we have been getting for years..
  rojoArcueid

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"It is double pleasure to deceive the deceiver". - Niccolo Machiavelli

10/22/13 9:20:16 AM#45

i want every single one of these points in my mmorpg. So yes i want this game setup.

 

Also im not sure why point #6 is in discussion, it should be there!. Mounts break immersion when you are killed and they magically disappear. They break immersion when they are immortal and you arent, etc. Some mmorpgs already have done something similar with mounts where they can die if you dont feed them while others have made them fight on your side and take damage too.

My endgame begins with character creation and ends with a new mmorpg

  Nanfoodle

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Joined: 5/23/06
Posts: 3360

10/22/13 9:21:24 AM#46
Sad thing is SoE's round table has failed IMO as well. No matter the outcome of their own poll they say why it should be the way they intended. Its clear that EQ fans want a solid trinity game but I think they will put even less stock in this poll when they dont even care about the outcome of their own polls. I hope I am wrong but its the way things seem to be going!
  Ender4

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Joined: 5/18/08
Posts: 2044

10/22/13 10:00:36 AM#47


Originally posted by Nanfoodle
Sad thing is SoE's round table has failed IMO as well. No matter the outcome of their own poll they say why it should be the way they intended. Its clear that EQ fans want a solid trinity game but I think they will put even less stock in this poll when they dont even care about the outcome of their own polls. I hope I am wrong but its the way things seem to be going!

It is a poll not a vote. They care way more about the discussions about the polls than the polls themselves as well. It is sad to me that people keep saying this type of stuff without really trying to understand the process. The round table is working exactly as it should, I hope they keep it up.

Thanks for the link Bivin. It was really good to hear about the group based stuff and I'm looking forward to the info release that they said was coming in a week.

  sgtalon

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10/22/13 10:13:46 AM#48
Originally posted by Nanfoodle
Sad thing is SoE's round table has failed IMO as well. No matter the outcome of their own poll they say why it should be the way they intended. Its clear that EQ fans want a solid trinity game but I think they will put even less stock in this poll when they dont even care about the outcome of their own polls. I hope I am wrong but its the way things seem to be going!

This is one of the things i always get frustrated about. The votes that everyone is talking about were something like 60%-30% Sure there was a majority, but at least 40% of the people actively DIDN'T want that to happen. 

Add to it that the round table polls are just a way to get the mood of the people and start a discussion.

They did the same thing with Planetside 2. They had tons of discussions - pre-round table label - about how the players would like the game to go. But the most important thing about it was it started a discussion. Vets and New people all had input and had talks about the pros and cons of both sides of the argument. Sometimes, something was discussed and fleshed out that actually convinced the devs that there was a better way. 

The one that i remember specifically was giving Galaxy Air Transport ships the spawn point feature unstead of a ground vehicle. There were arguments on both sides and it didn't take long for the community to convince the devs that even though it was a cool feature, it was not right for the game and they changed it.

It is going to be the same for EQ:N. They are right now building the game up to an Alpha stage, once they get it all basically working they will give it to us in Beta. Then the real work begins to make sure nothing truly bad ends up in the final product. 

Patience is key here. If you just get freaked out about it, no one is going to pay attention.

 

  Ender4

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Posts: 2044

10/22/13 10:24:29 AM#49

Yep. Throwing a tantrum over the race poll is just bizarre. In effect 54% wanted restrictions and 44% didn't. At that point the discussion outweighs anything the poll could possibly say.

  Nanfoodle

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Joined: 5/23/06
Posts: 3360

10/22/13 10:24:31 AM#50
Originally posted by sgtalon
Originally posted by Nanfoodle
Sad thing is SoE's round table has failed IMO as well. No matter the outcome of their own poll they say why it should be the way they intended. Its clear that EQ fans want a solid trinity game but I think they will put even less stock in this poll when they dont even care about the outcome of their own polls. I hope I am wrong but its the way things seem to be going!

This is one of the things i always get frustrated about. The votes that everyone is talking about were something like 60%-30% Sure there was a majority, but at least 40% of the people actively DIDN'T want that to happen. 

Add to it that the round table polls are just a way to get the mood of the people and start a discussion.

They did the same thing with Planetside 2. They had tons of discussions - pre-round table label - about how the players would like the game to go. But the most important thing about it was it started a discussion. Vets and New people all had input and had talks about the pros and cons of both sides of the argument. Sometimes, something was discussed and fleshed out that actually convinced the devs that there was a better way. 

The one that i remember specifically was giving Galaxy Air Transport ships the spawn point feature unstead of a ground vehicle. There were arguments on both sides and it didn't take long for the community to convince the devs that even though it was a cool feature, it was not right for the game and they changed it.

It is going to be the same for EQ:N. They are right now building the game up to an Alpha stage, once they get it all basically working they will give it to us in Beta. Then the real work begins to make sure nothing truly bad ends up in the final product. 

Patience is key here. If you just get freaked out about it, no one is going to pay attention.

 

When a poll shows a majority and the video to follow just talks about why they are not going with the majority vote more the once, you have a problem! The round table is a joke at that points. You can justify it any way you want but when you give your fans a forum to help direct how the game is going and you dont listen. Well you can call it what you will but we know what it means. They have decided what the game will and wont be. At best some polls will go in the direction SoE wants and it will be enough they can point and say "See we listened" If your not really gona listen then dont ask. If you think other wise you have been fooled.

  Ender4

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10/22/13 10:25:51 AM#51


If you think other wise you have been fooled

Or you are just an intelligent person. A poll where 54% want something is certainly not some big deal when they go against it. Sounds more like you had an agenda going in and you were just looking for something to criticize. This is one of those cases where I feel like I'm in bizarro world because peoples opinions on this seem to be coming out of nowhere. They even said they were siding towards having restrictions and the discussions were so compelling they went the other way. This is more a case for the round table working than anything.

They polled the community, got a discussion going and the discussion finalized their decision.

  Sephastus

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10/22/13 11:34:17 AM#52

OP, that poll assumes way too many things about EQ:N that we just don't know, so it is faulty to want a server like that without feeling out the game first. Wait for Landmark, and then put in the proposals.

 

for example, "7) Put weight on items." Is this in an attempt to be realistic? In a sandbox game, you will have tons upon tons of material alone. If you can carry these with no problems, you should be able to carry your armor inventory with absolutely no effort.

  Nanfoodle

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10/22/13 11:38:15 AM#53
Originally posted by Ender4

 


If you think other wise you have been fooled

 

Or you are just an intelligent person. A poll where 54% want something is certainly not some big deal when they go against it. Sounds more like you had an agenda going in and you were just looking for something to criticize. This is one of those cases where I feel like I'm in bizarro world because peoples opinions on this seem to be coming out of nowhere. They even said they were siding towards having restrictions and the discussions were so compelling they went the other way. This is more a case for the round table working than anything.

They polled the community, got a discussion going and the discussion finalized their decision.

So an intelligent person expects a polled question to have the majority shot down repeatedly with "this is why we are ignoring the poll"? WOW your idea of intelligence and mine are very different. Round table is a farce. I stand by that polls like this mean very little when they ignore the results of their own poll showing a majority wanted something they had already decided. By their words and stance its clear they had picked a direction before the poll. Rewatch the round table videos and listen for it, its clear, very clear.

  Ender4

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10/22/13 12:23:20 PM#54


So an intelligent person expects a polled question to have the majority shot down repeatedly with "this is why we are ignoring the poll"? WOW your idea of intelligence and mine are very different

An intelligent person realizes that a poll is not a vote and that 54% is a pretty small majority. They also realize that the discussion about the poll is way more important than the poll itself. Your problem is you are going into this assuming that it is meaningless. If they ever changed something simply because of a poll it would be a failure on their part. If they get persuaded by the discussion that is a different matter completely.

  Nanfoodle

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10/22/13 12:26:36 PM#55
Originally posted by Ender4

 


So an intelligent person expects a polled question to have the majority shot down repeatedly with "this is why we are ignoring the poll"? WOW your idea of intelligence and mine are very different

 

An intelligent person realizes that a poll is not a vote and that 54% is a pretty small majority. They also realize that the discussion about the poll is way more important than the poll itself. Your problem is you are going into this assuming that it is meaningless.

I 100% disagree. Many more people will vote what they want but only a smaller number of people stick around to argue for what they want. Most people dont have time to spends days and days posting on forums about games. The numbers are way more important then the loudest group wins. 

  Galadourn

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10/22/13 12:31:39 PM#56
that's more like a new game instead of a server ruleset. That's not to say I don;t agree with some of the suggestions.

http://kck.st/Xo38HT

  Ender4

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10/22/13 12:40:30 PM#57


I 100% disagree. Many more people will vote what they want but only a smaller number of people stick around to argue for what they want. Most people dont have time to spends days and days posting on forums about games. The numbers are way more important then the loudest group wins

Not at all. It isn't about the loudest group, it is about the group that makes the most important points. I voted race restricted by lore to this poll and by the time I got through the forum discussion I now prefer no restrictions. There were no real compelling arguments for restrictions other than 'I like it'. There were tons of compelling arguments for no restrictions.

But again this is a POLL not a vote. This is getting an idea of what the players want not making the game exactly what the players want. Also I think you missed the final 90 seconds of the video where they state that originally they were going to have restrictions but the discussion itself changed their minds. Early in the video they said they were going to try to avoid making people feel their characters weren't viable but it wasn't until the discussion that they realized this is exactly what they were doing with the restrictions. The poll DID change the direction of the game, it just did it through the discussion.

  goldtoof

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10/22/13 12:41:57 PM#58
Isn't it too early for all this petitioning when no one knows what the actual ruleset will be for the game.
  User Deleted
10/22/13 12:49:17 PM#59
Originally posted by goldtoof
Isn't it too early for all this petitioning when no one knows what the actual ruleset will be for the game.

Besides the fact the SOE cares nothing for the opinions of the community. If anyone thinks the feature-set and game mechanics are not completely mapped out and set in stone, then I have some swamp land in Florida to sell you.

I guess it gives some people comfort in thinking they have a voice.

  Ender4

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10/22/13 12:51:25 PM#60


Originally posted by grimgryphon

Originally posted by goldtoof Isn't it too early for all this petitioning when no one knows what the actual ruleset will be for the game.
Besides the fact the SOE cares nothing for the opinions of the community. If anyone thinks the feature-set and game mechanics are not completely mapped out and set in stone, then I have some swamp land in Florida to sell you.

I guess it gives some people comfort in thinking they have a voice.



Anyone who thinks the game mechanics are completely mapped out is a complete fool. I don't know how much our feedback will help them but from everything I've seen they don't know exactly what they are going to do yet either. Most games change heavily from pre-alpha to release and this one will be no different.

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