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  Holophonist

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10/19/13 9:19:25 PM#61
Originally posted by DamonVile
Originally posted by Holophonist
Originally posted by Ujirik
League of Legends is a Free to Play game.  Of course it has more players but that doesn't mean it's more successful.  I highly doubt LoL is more profitable than WoW.  Basically, there are a ton of crappy F2P games that can boast about WoW numbers or better but they aren't bringing in as much money.  It's only more popular because it doesn't have any fees attached.

If I had to guess I'd say that LoL is currently more profitable than WoW. I have a number of friends who play LoL and I'm sure they've all spent somewhere in the neighborhood of a couple hundred dollars buying champions/skins... and LoL has more than 3x the players.

3x the players right now. wows 12 million subs isn't the total of everyone that ever played the game or subed at one time. It was 12 milllion at that time.

If you consider how many people bought the box+ ex packs and paid subs for years. At 7 million subs that's still $105 mil a month. Just guessing but...I don't think wow has lost it's throne just yet.

then you have to factor in the fact that WoW has simply been around longer. That's why I think it's best to just look at a snapshot at any point in time. That's why I deliberately said "currently more profitable than WoW."

 

Whether or not WoW has "lost its throne" isn't gonna be decided by another company making more than WoW has in total, it's when another company beats it at all. But even if LoL is more popular than WoW, I don't consider that to be WoW losing its title as top dog because MOBAs simply aren't MMORPGs. They're not even close really.

  Ender4

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10/19/13 9:46:30 PM#62


There is a mistake in the new fanmade graphic. Its not 32m daily active user but monthly active user

That would make a lot more sense. There was no way the original numbers could be correct.

  AIMonster

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10/19/13 11:47:29 PM#63

I'd hazard a guess and say League of Legends is more profitable than WoW, but unless we get concrete data there is no conclusive proof here.  Keep in mind that not all of WoW's subs are in the $15 a month category as they count "subs" in internet cafes in places like China towards the total that aren't paying the same payment plans and only play for a few hours each month.  League of Legends may have the majority of players playing free, but they also have whales which spend a lot more per month than someone subbed to WoW.

League of Legends probably has to deal with less costs than WoW also.  A full featured MMO requires a much larger customer support staff such as GMs.  Every expansion they deliver makes them more money of course, but they do lose some of it to distribution costs which for League which is a purely digital game (ignoring the riot point cards and the collector's edition box when the game first released) is very low.

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  Otomox

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10/20/13 7:38:02 AM#64
LoL propaganda at its best. A trashy free to lay game with fake numbers and nowhere as much users as they claim.
  cura

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10/20/13 7:40:16 AM#65
Originally posted by nariusseldon

http://www.ign.com/articles/2013/10/18/league-of-legends-infographic-highlights-eye-popping-numbers

70M registered users. Well, you say, do they actually play the game?

32.5M daily active users. That is almost half of the 70M register users play daily. That is almost 4x wow's sub numbers, and not every sub player play wow everyday.

1.3B hours played a month. Divided by 70M. On average each register user plays 18.6 hours a month.

And obviously LoL e-sport is big.

The only question is ... whether LoL is making more money than WoW? Since the daily active users is like 4x of the wow sub number, you only need each person (active daily ones, not register user) to spend like $3.75 a month to beat wow's sub revenue.

Anyone knows what is the average spent of a LoL user?

 

 

What it tells me is the worse game is the more users it has.

  Reklaw

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10/20/13 9:34:02 AM#66

I am curious as to why you bring up a none MMO game comparing popularity with a MMO as a topic in the pub?

There are plenty of other genre of games more populair then WoW.

Does that mean MMO's should take note of those games so that they can become even more just combat oriented online games where rankings and leaderboards rule?

 

  sumdumguy1

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10/20/13 9:46:41 AM#67
A troll post?
  darkhalf357x

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10/20/13 9:49:09 AM#68
Originally posted by nariusseldon

http://www.ign.com/articles/2013/10/18/league-of-legends-infographic-highlights-eye-popping-numbers

70M registered users. Well, you say, do they actually play the game?

32.5M daily active users. That is almost half of the 70M register users play daily. That is almost 4x wow's sub numbers, and not every sub player play wow everyday.

1.3B hours played a month. Divided by 70M. On average each register user plays 18.6 hours a month.

And obviously LoL e-sport is big.

The only question is ... whether LoL is making more money than WoW? Since the daily active users is like 4x of the wow sub number, you only need each person (active daily ones, not register user) to spend like $3.75 a month to beat wow's sub revenue.

Anyone knows what is the average spent of a LoL user?

 

 

I'm really trying to understand why people care how much money or how popular a game is?  I don't know, I grew up in an era where we just played games. Some sucked others were awesome with some in between. 

I mean when we sat down to play double dragon or street fighter II we didn't  talk about what it's budget was or if it was going to fail or not. We just wanted bragging rights.

guess times have changed.

  bcbully

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10/20/13 9:49:17 AM#69
Originally posted by TribeofOne
thats like saying peppermint schnapps is way more popular than orange juice

Ahahaaa, but washing machines are waaaay more popular than toasters!

When I eat chocolate chip pie it just doesn't feel like chocolate chip cookies. The texture, the consistency, it's just not the same and this is disappointing.

  Apraxis

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10/20/13 10:13:54 AM#70
Originally posted by nariusseldon

http://www.ign.com/articles/2013/10/18/league-of-legends-infographic-highlights-eye-popping-numbers

70M registered users. Well, you say, do they actually play the game?

32.5M daily active users. That is almost half of the 70M register users play daily. That is almost 4x wow's sub numbers, and not every sub player play wow everyday.

1.3B hours played a month. Divided by 70M. On average each register user plays 18.6 hours a month.

And obviously LoL e-sport is big.

The only question is ... whether LoL is making more money than WoW? Since the daily active users is like 4x of the wow sub number, you only need each person (active daily ones, not register user) to spend like $3.75 a month to beat wow's sub revenue.

Anyone knows what is the average spent of a LoL user?

It is funny, isn't it. Although DoTA2 is in more or less any aspect the better game in comparsion to LoL. Gameplay, Cashshop, Tactic, Strategy, Action, Characters, Graphics, Friendlist and Tools. And the blizzard MOBA Hereos of the Storm will be announced this Nov. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eThSo670cas which will be a by far better comparsion.

WoW and LoL comparsion is like apples and courgette. The one is F2P, a MOBA, with a lot less of development cost, and a lot less of annual revenue, the other is a MMORPG, with a extremely high development cost(factor 10 and more), P2P, and a annual revenue like no other game before and after it.

Why not compare Pacman with Call of Duty instead?

  Dr_Shivinski

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10/20/13 10:19:37 AM#71

I don't understand why people try to compare games of entirely different genres to one another. Who cares which game is more "popular" than the other? Shut the hell up and play your damn game. Besides it's not as though something being popular makes it a great thing, Glee is massively popular, The Jersey Shore was pretty damn popular. Reality TV in general gets the highest ratings these days, but I'm sure most of us can agree that they all stink. So one might argue that League's popularity is a testament to how terrible it really is. But that is for another thread.

 

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  nariusseldon

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OP  10/20/13 10:21:59 AM#72
Originally posted by Panther2103

Compare them once wow goes free to play, I know if it did the community size would change, but who knows maybe league would still have more players.

Oh, i am sure said comparison will be made once wow goes F2P.

  nariusseldon

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OP  10/20/13 10:23:22 AM#73
Originally posted by Dr_Shivinski

I don't understand why people try to compare games of entirely different genres to one another. Who cares which game is more "popular" than the other?

 

Why not? There is a overlapped audience.

Who cares? Devs, and people who watch market trends.

You don't think everyone is jumping into the MOBA band wagon just because ... do you?

  Dr_Shivinski

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10/20/13 10:25:25 AM#74
Originally posted by nariusseldon
Originally posted by Dr_Shivinski

I don't understand why people try to compare games of entirely different genres to one another. Who cares which game is more "popular" than the other?

 

Why not? There is a overlapped audience.

Who cares? Devs, and people who watch market trends.

You don't think everyone is jumping into the MOBA band wagon just because ... do you?

No not "just because" but because "everyone else seems to be" it's easily accessible because it is overly simple. 

Here Siggy Siggy!

  Vapors

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10/20/13 10:34:58 AM#75

basicly known that LoL's community is much bigger then WoWs one.

Point is that most MOBA gamers dont even want to play MMO's or even never played. On the other side MMO gamers like to play some MOBA's sometimes (not all for sure).

while WOW is a typical Boston Consulting Matrix - Cashcow which gets milked till the end while LoL is keep getting bigger

  jfoytek

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10/20/13 10:43:11 AM#76
Originally posted by Vapors

basicly known that LoL's community is much bigger then WoWs one.

Point is that most MOBA gamers dont even want to play MMO's or even never played. On the other side MMO gamers like to play some MOBA's sometimes (not all for sure).

while WOW is a typical Boston Consulting Matrix - Cashcow which gets milked till the end while LoL is keep getting bigger

Really its basically known is it???  Reference's please???  Where do you come by your numbers???

 

I guess World of Tanks is even better the LoL they have an ever larger player base!!!  And likely make a lot more money with there Cash shop then LoL.... 

 

But neither are the quality of game or make the amount of money that World of Warcraft makes....  And I pretty much hate WoW because its caused the last 10 years of games to be nothing but Theamparked instanced garbage!!!

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  Vapors

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10/20/13 10:47:56 AM#77
Originally posted by jfoytek
Originally posted by Vapors

basicly known that LoL's community is much bigger then WoWs one.

Point is that most MOBA gamers dont even want to play MMO's or even never played. On the other side MMO gamers like to play some MOBA's sometimes (not all for sure).

while WOW is a typical Boston Consulting Matrix - Cashcow which gets milked till the end while LoL is keep getting bigger

Really its basically known is it???  Reference's please???  Where do you come by your numbers???

 

I guess World of Tanks is even better the LoL they have an ever larger player base!!!  And likely make a lot more money with there Cash shop then LoL.... 

 

But neither are the quality of game or make the amount of money that World of Warcraft makes....  And I pretty much hate WoW because its caused the last 10 years of games to be nothing but Theamparked instanced garbage!!!

Well when I go outside walking in big cities driving trains, I hear people talk about LoL and stuff - (LoL is a game which gets played even by non typical gamers). I actually never heard anyone talking about WoW the recent years. Sure on forums but forums are some type of an intern talk platform.

World of tanks has also a large community thats true, but also a much higher average rate of older people, while I was playing it felt like only 15 years olds or 50 years olds play it...

  rojoArcueid

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10/20/13 10:52:11 AM#78
i think it doesnt matter how popular LoL. It is not an mmorpg so it doesnt compare to WoW and other mmorpgs. LoL (i think) its the most popular game of its genre (moba). WoW its the most popular game of its specific genre too (3D open world subscription based mmorpg).

My endgame begins with character creation and ends with a new mmorpg

  jfoytek

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10/20/13 10:56:57 AM#79
Originally posted by Vapors
Originally posted by jfoytek
Originally posted by Vapors

basicly known that LoL's community is much bigger then WoWs one.

Point is that most MOBA gamers dont even want to play MMO's or even never played. On the other side MMO gamers like to play some MOBA's sometimes (not all for sure).

while WOW is a typical Boston Consulting Matrix - Cashcow which gets milked till the end while LoL is keep getting bigger

Really its basically known is it???  Reference's please???  Where do you come by your numbers???

 

I guess World of Tanks is even better the LoL they have an ever larger player base!!!  And likely make a lot more money with there Cash shop then LoL.... 

 

But neither are the quality of game or make the amount of money that World of Warcraft makes....  And I pretty much hate WoW because its caused the last 10 years of games to be nothing but Theamparked instanced garbage!!!

Well when I go outside walking in big cities driving trains, I hear people talk about LoL and stuff - (LoL is a game which gets played even by non typical gamers). I actually never heard anyone talking about WoW the recent years. Sure on forums but forums are some type of an intern talk platform.

World of tanks has also a large community thats true, but also a much higher average rate of older people, while I was playing it felt like only 15 years olds or 50 years olds play it...

So I have easily deduced 2 things from your post....

 

A) You are a Teenager likely around 15 years of age thus you hear a lot of LoL in your peer group and circle of friends....  Well duh!  The game targets your age range..... 

B) You and your friends have grown up after WoW's "Hay day if you will"  Kids must play the games that are trending also in the current market were so many games a Free to Play parents are not as likely to Pay a Subscription fee for you to play WoW...

 

So your idea that LoL is bigger then WoW is based off the perception of the environment around you.... how often do you hang out with Aged 27-47 year old gamers??? 

 

You likely don't, infact that idea may seem odd to you.  But there are more then teenagers that play video games!  I am 44 years old and I have been playing Games Since Mud's which is a Text based online game you likely have never heard of....

 

Point being the WoW audience is made of up people from Mid 20's thru to there 50's in age and you believe that there are more 15, 16, 17, 18 year old gamers then there are gamers between the ages of 25-50???  if you really think that is true then your really bad at math....

 

So to sum up your perception based idea is flawed !!!

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  coretex666

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10/20/13 11:09:00 AM#80

Can someone explain to me what point is being made here?

Did not really get it from the OP.

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