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  aspekx

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10/21/13 5:57:23 AM#81
Originally posted by nerovipus32
Ok when i saw the character models i didn't think it looked that cartoony and i liked the environments, but this just looks like something out of disney. I can see why they did it this way though. I went back to everquest 2 a week ago just to check out the new level 85 characters and the games looks really dated now. What was once a beautiful looking game is now really ugly looking. Wow on the other hand still looks modern.

^this.

 

EQ2 is great, but it looks extremely dated.

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  Ender4

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10/21/13 7:05:24 AM#82


Ok ask yourself this: how many times did you see the graphics of a MMO change CONSIDERABLY from beta to launch?

I mean, honestly.

I can't remember one single time


Every single one of them. Not a single game that I beta tested looked the same at release unless it was one of those silly betas that were just meant to load test. This game isn't even in beta yet either and those weren't even gameplay screenshots. The stuff they have shown us from the actual gameplay look fine. What they are working on is getting the structures to look better and they have already shown us it is still a work in progress. The graphics usually don't have graphic filters even set yet in early stages of beta. The lighting isn't done etc.


I went back to everquest 2 a week ago just to check out the new level 85 characters and the games looks really dated now. What was once a beautiful looking game is now really ugly looking

EQ2 never had good graphics. WoW looked better at release than EQ2 did and WoW has stayed better over time as well. Failed realistic graphics are just the worst and that is what we usually get. These games can't handle large crowds and true realistic looking graphics yet, and certainly not zoomed out realistic.

  masterbrood

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10/21/13 7:14:55 AM#83

Meh, art style is art style.  Still intrigued by the ideas the game has presented, also still heavily doubting itll make good on most of them.  Not just because that's become the norm in the business (Our game is SO DIFFERENT....not), but because of the company.

Personally I think this is a good direction to go.  At the end of the day performance trumps realism after all.

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  Elikal

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10/21/13 9:26:55 AM#84
Originally posted by Apraxis
Originally posted by Elikal

Ok ask yourself this: how many times did you see the graphics of a MMO change CONSIDERABLY from beta to launch?

I mean, honestly.

I can't remember one single time.

 

And we had this discussion 200 times, like "oh it's just beta, it will look better".

No. It won't. And sorry I am a visual person, and I do not feel like gameplay trumps graphics. Can I haz actually both? Sorry, but at least I can't play a visually unappealing game, no matter now great the "gameplay" may be. If that were so we all still play text adventures!

Well.. then i am really astonished that you have played MMOs at all. Because graphically they were all behind the cutting edge graphical single player games.. like any of the crysis games at their time.

For me graphic is important, but not that much, that i would not play a game with unique or superior gameplay.. games like Minecraft, Dwarfen Fortress, Ultima Online(at their time) and other. But thats me.

And for EQN.. it looks a lot better than Minecraft, and not really worse than any other recent MMO. Look, i always favoured games with a more seamless world over heavily instanced and limited (Age of Conan) just because of graphical reasons.

Edit:

And just a sidenote/question. Does EQN really look worst than Wildstar? Which do both have a similar graphical style? And although ESO is realistic, but does it look better? My answers to both are no, neither Wildstar looks better, nor ESO from a graphical standpoint.. of course you can always favor realistic over stylized, but that is a different question.

As I said, I see both TESO and EQN as extremes of the spectrum. I really need not photorealism. Look at Guild Wars 2, just in terms of graphics. That is a visual I find pleasing. It is as colourful and EQ2, but way more detailled. Not photorealistic, but realistic enough. The EQN screenshots look like barebone textures, totally flat. No dirt, no details of any sort.

I mean, I will certainly play both TESO and EQN just to see them. I always give MMOs a chance to convince me, and I am enough of a fan to try them out. But SO FAR, I find the EQN visuals bland and overly simplistic.

 

(Wildstar is so far out of my radar, I don't even consider it. I am sure it has it's target audience, but it just looks too "girlish" to me.)

A forum is a place where people can discuss about different opinions. So what I don't get is, how people react offended when they come to a forum and then find... well different opinions. If a different opinion offends you, what are you even doing here?

  Elikal

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10/21/13 9:29:23 AM#85
Originally posted by Galadourn

I suggest people devote 30min of their time and watch the SOE-live "creating worlds" panel. Explains a lot about why they chose the specific art style, and it's not a technical limitation that forced them, more like a limitation (or potential, depends how one views it) of the destructibility feature.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DR3NEsJzP_o

Lol.

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- Groucho Marx

A forum is a place where people can discuss about different opinions. So what I don't get is, how people react offended when they come to a forum and then find... well different opinions. If a different opinion offends you, what are you even doing here?

  Galadourn

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10/21/13 11:26:17 AM#86
Originally posted by Elikal
Originally posted by Galadourn

I suggest people devote 30min of their time and watch the SOE-live "creating worlds" panel. Explains a lot about why they chose the specific art style, and it's not a technical limitation that forced them, more like a limitation (or potential, depends how one views it) of the destructibility feature.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DR3NEsJzP_o

Lol.

"Who do you believe, my words or you own lying eyes?"

- Groucho Marx

And how's that related  to my post?

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  Elikal

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10/21/13 12:33:39 PM#87
Originally posted by Galadourn
Originally posted by Elikal
Originally posted by Galadourn

I suggest people devote 30min of their time and watch the SOE-live "creating worlds" panel. Explains a lot about why they chose the specific art style, and it's not a technical limitation that forced them, more like a limitation (or potential, depends how one views it) of the destructibility feature.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DR3NEsJzP_o

Lol.

"Who do you believe, my words or you own lying eyes?"

- Groucho Marx

And how's that related  to my post?

Well, I do not care about reasons and explanations when what I SEE looks ugly to me.

A forum is a place where people can discuss about different opinions. So what I don't get is, how people react offended when they come to a forum and then find... well different opinions. If a different opinion offends you, what are you even doing here?

  Galadourn

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10/21/13 12:50:44 PM#88
Originally posted by Elikal
Originally posted by Galadourn
Originally posted by Elikal
Originally posted by Galadourn

I suggest people devote 30min of their time and watch the SOE-live "creating worlds" panel. Explains a lot about why they chose the specific art style, and it's not a technical limitation that forced them, more like a limitation (or potential, depends how one views it) of the destructibility feature.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DR3NEsJzP_o

Lol.

"Who do you believe, my words or you own lying eyes?"

- Groucho Marx

And how's that related  to my post?

Well, I do not care about reasons and explanations when what I SEE looks ugly to me.

fair enough, I was simply answering to comments trying to explain the chosen art style on the grounds of technical limitations; that's not the case.

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  Metrobius

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10/21/13 2:33:15 PM#89
I think the people who dont like the art syle need to just admit that eqn is not the game for them and move on.
I understand if some folks are disappointed because they like the ideas presented so far but wont enjoy the game because of the art syle, but why constantly complain about something you cant change? Why complain about the air when there's nothing else to breathe?
  vzerov

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10/21/13 5:26:31 PM#90
Originally posted by Metrobius
I think the people who dont like the art syle need to just admit that eqn is not the game for them and move on.
I understand if some folks are disappointed because they like the ideas presented so far but wont enjoy the game because of the art syle, but why constantly
complain about something you cant change? Why complain about the air when there's nothing else to breathe?

Exactly what you are doing, no?

  Metrobius

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10/21/13 7:30:17 PM#91
Heh. You got me there vzerov
  mechtech256

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10/21/13 7:35:41 PM#92

It's clearly a WoW inspired art style. I love the ideas behind the game, but the art-direction is a huge turn off. I'm a grown adult, I simply don't like playing games that looks like this, it just doesn't immerse me in the experience :/

 

I think EQ2 looked just as good, it really looks terrible for a 2015 game.

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  Stizzled

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10/21/13 9:21:32 PM#93
Originally posted by mechtech256

It's clearly a WoW inspired art style. I love the ideas behind the game, but the art-direction is a huge turn off. I'm a grown adult, I simply don't like playing games that looks like this, it just doesn't immerse me in the experience :/

 

I think EQ2 looked just as good, it really looks terrible for a 2015 game.

I'm a grown man and, so far, I'm liking the art style. There's a difference between being grown up and trying to act grown up. Just because your an adult doesn't mean you can't enjoy some childish things. For example, I still enjoy some of the Disney and Pixar films, as I'm sure most adults do. Not to mention, we're all sitting here discussing video games, something which is still widely considered to be for children.

 

So, it's fine to not like the art style, but don't try to act as if your too grown up for it, or that just because it has a cartoony look it means that it must be a children's game.

  kruler

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10/21/13 9:35:48 PM#94
Originally posted by Stizzled
Originally posted by mechtech256

It's clearly a WoW inspired art style. I love the ideas behind the game, but the art-direction is a huge turn off. I'm a grown adult, I simply don't like playing games that looks like this, it just doesn't immerse me in the experience :/

 

I think EQ2 looked just as good, it really looks terrible for a 2015 game.

I'm a grown man and, so far, I'm liking the art style. There's a difference between being grown up and trying to act grown up. Just because your an adult doesn't mean you can't enjoy some childish things. For example, I still enjoy some of the Disney and Pixar films, as I'm sure most adults do. Not to mention, we're all sitting here discussing video games, something which is still widely considered to be for children.

 

So, it's fine to not like the art style, but don't try to act as if your too grown up for it, or that just because it has a cartoony look it means that it must be a children's game.

All art in whatever form is subjective, to say its childish is silly, because then you would have to find some other art and say, "Oh that's grown up" , makes no sense.

 The look is a personnel thing, I don't like it looks wise, but by the same token I understand the considerations of the voxel and mesh, so over all I'm intrigued by the game, not the look.

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  Ice-Queen

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10/21/13 9:47:14 PM#95
I don't care what it looks like, as long as the gameplay and especially the housing is done right. I played Asheron's Call for years as well as still having an account to Ultima Online. Both games very aged and neither very pretty but they were 2 of the best mmo's I've ever played as far as content and housing went.

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  Kremchek

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10/21/13 9:51:16 PM#96
Originally posted by Stizzled
Originally posted by mechtech256

It's clearly a WoW inspired art style. I love the ideas behind the game, but the art-direction is a huge turn off. I'm a grown adult, I simply don't like playing games that looks like this, it just doesn't immerse me in the experience :/

 

I think EQ2 looked just as good, it really looks terrible for a 2015 game.

I'm a grown man and, so far, I'm liking the art style. There's a difference between being grown up and trying to act grown up. Just because your an adult doesn't mean you can't enjoy some childish things. For example, I still enjoy some of the Disney and Pixar films, as I'm sure most adults do. Not to mention, we're all sitting here discussing video games, something which is still widely considered to be for children.

 

So, it's fine to not like the art style, but don't try to act as if your too grown up for it, or that just because it has a cartoony look it means that it must be a children's game.

Thank you!

  FinalFikus

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10/23/13 7:59:27 PM#97

The screenshots look as good as swtor. A little childish, but no reason to dismiss the game yet.

The art style is acceptable. If the world is immersive, and the gameplay decent, the art style will take a back seat.

If its another static world with linear gameplay, then art style will need to compensate.

I wish we could get the total package, but world and gameplay are higher priorities for me personally.

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  CalmOceans

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10/29/13 6:12:31 AM#98
I come back to this forum maybe once a month for 5 minutes, I look at some news of EQNext and I'm gone 5 minutes later in more disappointment. This game fails to deliver. Looks way too cartoony.
  Galadourn

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10/29/13 6:18:31 AM#99
Originally posted by CalmOceans
I come back to this forum maybe once a month for 5 minutes, I look at some news of EQNext and I'm gone 5 minutes later in more disappointment. This game fails to deliver. Looks way too cartoony.

ok, there's a list of 100's of other games on the left, pick yours.

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  Ender4

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10/29/13 8:09:56 AM#100

This thread is a good example of why the MMO market is so awful these days. You should be looking at the features in the game, the graphics should never keep you away from a good game. It doesn't matter what an awesome game looks like it is still an awesome game. A pile of junk game like Rift is going to be a pile of junk no matter how good the graphics.

Also as I said above, you are judging these by pre-alpha screen shots of an unfinished game engine being made by some guy who isn't even part of the art team. Judge the game when you see actual game play screenshots from beta. Giving up on a game due to graphics before it goes alpha is just ridiculous. They showed a 3 month time lapse of how the graphics have changed and they look nothing like they used to and they are still working on them.

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