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  Talmagdon

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10/18/13 3:22:08 AM#21
Originally posted by TheRealDarkeus
Originally posted by Talmagdon
 

Ah, General Chat. Rule #1: If playing Republic switch this off asap. Only have General running on my imp toons because (on Red Eclipse) players there are actually cooperative and friendly. Well, for the most part.

 

Not sure about you, but I left after Rise of the Rakghouls in Jan '12 and came back  about 8 months later to quite a different game. Since then there have been changes to certain core mechanics and gameplay elements as well, so I can imagine that anyone returning after even as much as 4 months would see something different. Do you mind me asking when you left the game?


I played from launch until six months out from there.  I have a Jedi Knight around level 40 I believe and then I have an Imperial Agent who I am playing around with now (Never got her too leveled up).  I think I came back around Rise of the Rakghouls for a month

 

Ironically, this was on the Imperial side.  I can't remember what server I am on.  Lol, I need to check that.

And I will say, there has been changes to the game, I can feel that.

However, I will probably need to sub.  I really don't like how they remind you every turn, "You know, if you subscribe we won't annoy the hell out of you telling you to subscribe!"  However, I cam tell there have been changes to the game and my Gaming Computer plays it wonderfully. 

Nice! The agent is supposed to be one of the best stories in game, and definitely the best ship. Surprised to hear about the imp general chat though. I've never had any problems except the occasional Starter planet (Korriban and Hutta). Ah well, there are always exceptions.

 

To be honest, you don't need a subscription to play the game anymore. Quite a few people I know have been buying account unlocks on the GTN, stopping their subscription and then just applying all those unlocks to their account to continue playing as they always have. The only thing is that they need to farm credits every week to get their weekly passes and to access any funds in escrow ... not really an issue considering that a single 50-55 can earn 1.5 mil+ a week by doing dailies religiously.

 

As far as changes, f2p now have the kind of grind we had back at launch, preferred have it easier and subscribers can get a toon levelled from 1 to 55 in ridiculous amounts of time (a guildie of mine did his second toon in just a little over 50 hours). Lots more operations for end-game, new tiers of gear and a lot of the old end-game gear from when you played has been phased out. They've also added new warzones for PvP as well as smaller 4v4 arenas for faster combat. They've actually started having events in game, as well as achievements and a groupfinder queue that works for levelling as well as end-game. They finally implemented HK (the assassin droid following in the footsteps of HK-47 from KOTOR 1&2), but you need to go to an area called section x (a special daily area on Belsavis) to start the quest line to assemble him.

 

Combat changes ... Sage/Sorc dps is still recovering from the great nerf. Commandos/Mercenaries make a far more effective caster class ... they can't throw AoEs as often, but they hit harder (single target and AoE) and they have infinitely greater survivability. When 2.0 went live, the new DR on the crit curve made the stat not viable post level 50 (for DPS classes). Sentis/Maras are still the best single target melee DPS, but Slingers/Snipers now stand so far ahead on single target that there's no competition. Shadow/Assassin specs are a lot tougher to play optimally. Guardians/Juggs have become stand out tanks and their melee DPS is now one of the most lethal. Scoundrel/Operative healing is finally working well so all three healing classes are more balanced. Vanguards/Powertechs are being rebalanced a lot and still need work ... 2.0 boosted them quite a bit and the correctional measures nerfed them enough that Bioware reps have let the community know that work is being done to fix the balance with them.

 

Those are all the changes I can think of. Hope that helps.

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Some people think trading in the shotgun for the BFG2000 makes the game easier. It just allows you to enter a higher difficulty level.

  TheRealDarkeus

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Joined: 6/26/13
Posts: 277

“I thought what I'd do was, I'd pretend I was one of those deaf-mutes.

10/18/13 9:10:15 AM#22
Originally posted by Talmagdon
Originally posted by TheRealDarkeus
Originally posted by Talmagdon
 

Ah, General Chat. Rule #1: If playing Republic switch this off asap. Only have General running on my imp toons because (on Red Eclipse) players there are actually cooperative and friendly. Well, for the most part.

 

Not sure about you, but I left after Rise of the Rakghouls in Jan '12 and came back  about 8 months later to quite a different game. Since then there have been changes to certain core mechanics and gameplay elements as well, so I can imagine that anyone returning after even as much as 4 months would see something different. Do you mind me asking when you left the game?


I played from launch until six months out from there.  I have a Jedi Knight around level 40 I believe and then I have an Imperial Agent who I am playing around with now (Never got her too leveled up).  I think I came back around Rise of the Rakghouls for a month

 

Ironically, this was on the Imperial side.  I can't remember what server I am on.  Lol, I need to check that.

And I will say, there has been changes to the game, I can feel that.

However, I will probably need to sub.  I really don't like how they remind you every turn, "You know, if you subscribe we won't annoy the hell out of you telling you to subscribe!"  However, I cam tell there have been changes to the game and my Gaming Computer plays it wonderfully. 

Nice! The agent is supposed to be one of the best stories in game, and definitely the best ship. Surprised to hear about the imp general chat though. I've never had any problems except the occasional Starter planet (Korriban and Hutta). Ah well, there are always exceptions.

 

To be honest, you don't need a subscription to play the game anymore. Quite a few people I know have been buying account unlocks on the GTN, stopping their subscription and then just applying all those unlocks to their account to continue playing as they always have. The only thing is that they need to farm credits every week to get their weekly passes and to access any funds in escrow ... not really an issue considering that a single 50-55 can earn 1.5 mil+ a week by doing dailies religiously.

 

As far as changes, f2p now have the kind of grind we had back at launch, preferred have it easier and subscribers can get a toon levelled from 1 to 55 in ridiculous amounts of time (a guildie of mine did his second toon in just a little over 50 hours). Lots more operations for end-game, new tiers of gear and a lot of the old end-game gear from when you played has been phased out. They've also added new warzones for PvP as well as smaller 4v4 arenas for faster combat. They've actually started having events in game, as well as achievements and a groupfinder queue that works for levelling as well as end-game. They finally implemented HK (the assassin droid following in the footsteps of HK-47 from KOTOR 1&2), but you need to go to an area called section x (a special daily area on Belsavis) to start the quest line to assemble him.

 

Combat changes ... Sage/Sorc dps is still recovering from the great nerf. Commandos/Mercenaries make a far more effective caster class ... they can't throw AoEs as often, but they hit harder (single target and AoE) and they have infinitely greater survivability. When 2.0 went live, the new DR on the crit curve made the stat not viable post level 50 (for DPS classes). Sentis/Maras are still the best single target melee DPS, but Slingers/Snipers now stand so far ahead on single target that there's no competition. Shadow/Assassin specs are a lot tougher to play optimally. Guardians/Juggs have become stand out tanks and their melee DPS is now one of the most lethal. Scoundrel/Operative healing is finally working well so all three healing classes are more balanced. Vanguards/Powertechs are being rebalanced a lot and still need work ... 2.0 boosted them quite a bit and the correctional measures nerfed them enough that Bioware reps have let the community know that work is being done to fix the balance with them.

 

Those are all the changes I can think of. Hope that helps.

  Wow, that is a lot of stuff....  Hmm, so I have preferred player status.  What are these passes you speak of?  I have seen mentions of them but I am still not very familiar.

 

As for the Imperial General chat, well I was on Hutta.  :-)  That probably has something to do with it.  I have been playing off and on with the other games I am playing.  It looks like Bioware at least is trying to fix things.  I will admit that the triple funk of DA 2, SWTOR and ME3 left a bad taste in my mouth about them.

 

However, if they can show that they want to get back to what made them great, hopefully they can accomplish that.  Maybe with Disney supporting EA making Star Wars games that they will continue to improve. 

  BadOrb

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Joined: 1/11/13
Posts: 744

10/18/13 3:49:46 PM#23
Originally posted by LoverNoFighter
Originally posted by youvewasted2yrs
Red eclipse is a popular Europe server.  Also please ignore the SWG haters that will be hijacking this thread very soon. They are some desperate grown men who have been bashing this game they dont play for 2 years now.  

I'm a grown man. 

I'm a SWG vet.

I play SWTOR.

I still don't think SWTOR is more than a mediocre singleplayer game with a MMO backdrop and not even close to "awesomeness" or the overused and wrongly used hip term: epic.

 

You possibly should of played it with a couple of friends through from start to finish , mind you a 3 player party is far harder than a 1 or 2 player party. Not sure about 4 as we played in a group of 3 on certain characters and wow some missions get really tough. You remember the end of the story ark on Alderaan ? Well try it with 3 people , you'll see. Anyway it is an MMO but yeah , if you solo then it might seem like a single player game.

Cheers,

BadOrb.

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  Talmagdon

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Joined: 2/04/06
Posts: 21

10/19/13 2:38:43 AM#24
Originally posted by TheRealDarkeus
 

  Wow, that is a lot of stuff....  Hmm, so I have preferred player status.  What are these passes you speak of?  I have seen mentions of them but I am still not very familiar.

 

As for the Imperial General chat, well I was on Hutta.  :-)  That probably has something to do with it.  I have been playing off and on with the other games I am playing.  It looks like Bioware at least is trying to fix things.  I will admit that the triple funk of DA 2, SWTOR and ME3 left a bad taste in my mouth about them.

 

However, if they can show that they want to get back to what made them great, hopefully they can accomplish that.  Maybe with Disney supporting EA making Star Wars games that they will continue to improve. 

Alright, passes. So f2p and preferred players get a weekly quota of flashpoints, space missions and warzones. If they want to do more or participate in operations, there are weekly passes available (Operations, Flashpoints, Warzones, Space MIssions) on the cartel market (item mall equivalent). A lot of players buy these passes and put them up for sale on the GTN (player vending terminal) specifically for non-subscribers. How the pass works is that once you use it, you will gain subscriber-level access to that activity for 7 days.

 

In case you didn't see this before, this link compares the three account types: http://www.swtor.com/free/features

 

Virtually every unlock that you need to buy on the Cartel Market according to that link can be bought for in-game currency via the GTN instead.

 

I hear what you're saying about DA2 et. al. ... I'll even go one step further and say I didn't like ME2 (Not sure about the console version but the PC version of ME1 was so much more tactical and challenging). Bioware has been dumbing down their games so as to increase market share, but this has cost them their reputation. I'll be honest when I say that I don't think EA is evil, but I do know how cut-throat the publishing world can be and how decisions are taken there. You look more at percentage of market, share of shelf (at retailers), profit per unit sale and sales within the genre. It's not a healthy environment for creativity or challenging gameplay ... both those elements make a game niche which means a smaller market segment with less share of shelf and lower sales thus requiring a higher price point to be worth it to the publisher.

 

With SWTOR, it's evident that EA has reduced funding to Bioware for development. It's not pulling in the kind of money EA was hoping for, is a PR nightmare (every time a magazine or blogger flames the game, EA is held accountable) and isn't getting EA the share of market it was hoping for. However, in the last 2 months especially, the Bioware team and the devs have shown a lot more interest in fixing things. They've been honest about it taking time, but the latest patch alone has changes to 3 classes that factor in community feedback. It's a start.

*********************

Some people think trading in the shotgun for the BFG2000 makes the game easier. It just allows you to enter a higher difficulty level.

  TheRealDarkeus

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Joined: 6/26/13
Posts: 277

“I thought what I'd do was, I'd pretend I was one of those deaf-mutes.

10/19/13 7:30:23 AM#25
Interesting.  Thank you for all of the information!
  superniceguy

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Joined: 2/17/07
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NGE, LOTRO, STO, KOTOR, Lego Star Wars > NGE 2 (SWTOR). SWG>ALL. Above hopefully subject to change.

10/19/13 8:43:50 AM#26
Originally posted by BadOrb
Originally posted by LoverNoFighter
Originally posted by youvewasted2yrs
Red eclipse is a popular Europe server.  Also please ignore the SWG haters that will be hijacking this thread very soon. They are some desperate grown men who have been bashing this game they dont play for 2 years now.  

I'm a grown man. 

I'm a SWG vet.

I play SWTOR.

I still don't think SWTOR is more than a mediocre singleplayer game with a MMO backdrop and not even close to "awesomeness" or the overused and wrongly used hip term: epic.

 

You possibly should of played it with a couple of friends through from start to finish , mind you a 3 player party is far harder than a 1 or 2 player party. Not sure about 4 as we played in a group of 3 on certain characters and wow some missions get really tough. You remember the end of the story ark on Alderaan ? Well try it with 3 people , you'll see. Anyway it is an MMO but yeah , if you solo then it might seem like a single player game.

Cheers,

BadOrb.

Playing solo is not what makes it seem like a single player game. Playing with other people is like playing with other people in single player games that have multiplayer online modes, eg Lego Star Wars the Complete Saga, and that is not a MMO

GTA5 is a single player game yet it seems more of a MMO than a single player game. Fully explained here

SWG was pretty close especially to the People are People section - A stormtrooper regularly visited a cantina, and if no one threatening is in it (like a rebel) he reports out loud that it is all clear and nothing going on, but if you are a rebel (on leave) in there and he detects you are a rebel (which does not always happen) then they will attack you and you will be attackable by all imperial forces until go back on leave. Also many officers would stop and search you for contraband but if you are overt and high ranked then they will apologise and not search you. If you are rebel and human and /slap a stormtropper you get knocked down and fined, if you are a rebel wookiee and /slap a stormtrooper you get knocked down and fined, and fined some more and they say the extra fine is for being a stupid walking carpet.  If you are an imperial and /slap a stormtrooper they will apologise to you for being incompetent.There were many different things like this.

  F2Pelerin118

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OP  10/23/13 2:55:37 AM#27

Hey, I've been having a pretty good time playing. Level 22 now, have a Ship and some Companions - it's got a lot of cool features. I also have no trouble getting into any of the Flashpoints I can do with the Group-finder and there's plenty of people doing the group Quests, the population is much better than what I expected.

I think it's worth trying out the F2P if you haven't, but it's worth subbing if you want to play properly (IMO).

  catlana

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10/23/13 5:27:33 PM#28
Originally posted by F2Pelerin118

Hey, I've been having a pretty good time playing. Level 22 now, have a Ship and some Companions - it's got a lot of cool features. I also have no trouble getting into any of the Flashpoints I can do with the Group-finder and there's plenty of people doing the group Quests, the population is much better than what I expected.

I think it's worth trying out the F2P if you haven't, but it's worth subbing if you want to play properly (IMO).

I am glad to hear that you are enjoying yourself. I am subscriber myself. The community in SWToR is a very good group for the most part. My guildies are looking forward to PVPing in the Starfighter release.

  Masonic1

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10/23/13 7:54:52 PM#29
Really if you want to try out a real Star Wars MMO there's another one that's just so much more fun and better then TOR ever hopes to be and it's fully free, is well known for it's outstanding community and you really should check it out. Besides once you hit level 30 the game is boring and you'll be looking for something better
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