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  Loktofeit

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10/15/13 8:45:50 AM#41
Originally posted by Arclan


Originally posted by nariusseldon
http://www.superdataresearch.com/blog/everquest-next-claim-free-to-play-mmo/

 

"it’s clear that Sony has no intention of slowing down, setting its sights on claiming a piece of the free-to-play MMO market. Our early estimates for the US market put the total spending for 2013E at $2.5 billion, growing 57% year-over-year."

"said John Smedley: There is no purer way to see whether you have a good game or not than by saying 'this is free, do you want to play it?'"


Thanks for posting more garbage from that site which has been shown time and again here, through debate, that it's data are at best misleading and at worst categorically false. Though I've no interest in rekindling that debate here. Any interested parties can search the forums.

Drown that eel, boy!

 

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  DamonVile

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10/15/13 9:19:53 AM#42
Originally posted by Arclan

 


Originally posted by nariusseldon
http://www.superdataresearch.com/blog/everquest-next-claim-free-to-play-mmo/

 

"it’s clear that Sony has no intention of slowing down, setting its sights on claiming a piece of the free-to-play MMO market. Our early estimates for the US market put the total spending for 2013E at $2.5 billion, growing 57% year-over-year."

"said John Smedley: There is no purer way to see whether you have a good game or not than by saying 'this is free, do you want to play it?'"

 

 


 

Thanks for posting more garbage from that site which has been shown time and again here, through debate, that it's data are at best misleading and at worst categorically false. Though I've no interest in rekindling that debate here. Any interested parties can search the forums.

I laughed out loud....

  nariusseldon

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OP  10/15/13 10:40:14 AM#43
Originally posted by goboygo
Its not free to play if they are projecting 2.5B in revenue now is it.

You are confused.

It is not free for the whales, but free for me. "Free" can apply to some.

 

  nariusseldon

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OP  10/15/13 10:42:38 AM#44
Originally posted by VengeSunsoar
Those are MMO's, just not mmoRPG.

So?

LoL is listed in the game list on this site, isn't it?

  laserit

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10/15/13 11:22:48 AM#45

Ever hear of the old adage "You don't get something for nothing" ?

 

Most people saying "I never pay anything, I play for free"  are full of shit. And just like most things in life, most will play and pay moderately and a percentage have  (dial 1-800-I-need-help-with-my-addiction)  issues. 

 

IMHO in F2P I think it's more a case of the game's trying to play the player's.

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  GrumpyMel2

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10/15/13 11:38:40 AM#46
Originally posted by nariusseldon

http://www.superdataresearch.com/blog/everquest-next-claim-free-to-play-mmo/

"it’s clear that Sony has no intention of slowing down, setting its sights on claiming a piece of the free-to-play MMO market. Our early estimates for the US market put the total spending for 2013E at $2.5 billion, growing 57% year-over-year."

"said John Smedley: There is no purer way to see whether you have a good game or not than by saying 'this is free, do you want to play it?'"

 

 

LOL, I think Smedley is engaging in a good bit of PR there. I think any product or service can be better judged upon whether someone is willing to spend some of thier hard earned cash on it.....and more importantly would they be willing to do so again after having had experience of the product or service. That is not to say that free things can't be good, even great......it's just not a particularly accurate criterea for judging anything. Something good could be available for free and you're playing it because it's the best thing since sliced bread.....something free could be barely passable and you are playing it simply because you aren't willing to or can't afford anything better.

 

 

  nariusseldon

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OP  10/15/13 12:20:16 PM#47
Originally posted by laserit

Ever hear of the old adage "You don't get something for nothing" ?

 

it is old and it is wrong.

I finished Marvel Heroes' story content a while back. 30 hours of free fun. I paid exactly zero. Tell me how i am not getting something for nothing?

Heck, every morning i read the CNN website, and i am paying nothing.

 

  laserit

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10/15/13 1:11:21 PM#48
Originally posted by nariusseldon
Originally posted by laserit

Ever hear of the old adage "You don't get something for nothing" ?

 

it is old and it is wrong.

I finished Marvel Heroes' story content a while back. 30 hours of free fun. I paid exactly zero. Tell me how i am not getting something for nothing?

Heck, every morning i read the CNN website, and i am paying nothing.

 

It's not free

 

Your CNN content is payed for by advertiser's which in turn is reflected in the cost of the products you buy.

I made a double sided USB cable and I plugged my Console into my PC... or did I plug my PC into my Console? Anyway I can now play Console games on my PC! and play PC games on my Console!

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  nariusseldon

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OP  10/15/13 1:54:29 PM#49
Originally posted by laserit
Originally posted by nariusseldon
Originally posted by laserit

Ever hear of the old adage "You don't get something for nothing" ?

 

it is old and it is wrong.

I finished Marvel Heroes' story content a while back. 30 hours of free fun. I paid exactly zero. Tell me how i am not getting something for nothing?

Heck, every morning i read the CNN website, and i am paying nothing.

 

It's not free

 

Your CNN content is payed for by advertiser's which in turn is reflected in the cost of the products you buy.

Not if i don't buy the products advertised on the CNN page.

Just like F2P games .. someone else (the whales) are paying for me.

 

  Arclan

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10/15/13 4:20:15 PM#50


Originally posted by laserit
...IMHO in F2P I think it's more a case of the game's trying to play the player's.


Best post of the day.



Originally posted by laserit
It's not free

Your CNN content is payed for by advertiser's which in turn is reflected in the cost of the products you buy.



Second best post of the day.

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In F2P I think it's more a case of the game's trying to play the player's. -laserit
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  Loktofeit

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10/15/13 4:44:52 PM#51
Originally posted by DamonVile
Originally posted by Arclan

Originally posted by nariusseldon
http://www.superdataresearch.com/blog/everquest-next-claim-free-to-play-mmo/

 

"it’s clear that Sony has no intention of slowing down, setting its sights on claiming a piece of the free-to-play MMO market. Our early estimates for the US market put the total spending for 2013E at $2.5 billion, growing 57% year-over-year."

"said John Smedley: There is no purer way to see whether you have a good game or not than by saying 'this is free, do you want to play it?'"


Thanks for posting more garbage from that site which has been shown time and again here, through debate, that it's data are at best misleading and at worst categorically false. Though I've no interest in rekindling that debate here. Any interested parties can search the forums.

I laughed out loud....

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  rojoArcueid

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10/15/13 4:51:40 PM#52
i believe that if a game is very good, not just decent, very good then its worth the cost. On the other hand, no matter how good or bad a game is, it isnt worth the milking. I have never supported subscriptions but i will always chose to purchase a game over getting milked by microtransactions in a "free" game. B2P forever, at least until the sub based ones get back to reality and evolve from the generic crap we keep getting every year for the same price.

  TenebraeAeterna

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10/15/13 4:59:47 PM#53
Originally posted by stayBlind

I hope that we have to pay for each life we use as a character; I would really like to see a move back to the arcade era. I really liked the fact that when I died playing Pac Man I had to pay more money to keep playing the game.

I think that the MMO market is moving in the right direction. Game companies should offer the gameplay for free and allow the user to purchase things like allowing their character to have running animations and animations for when a character jumps: purely cosmetic things. 

I really enjoy free to play games, and I enjoy them because said games allow me to play it my way. Free to play games do not force me to pay for cosmetic things that I find useless like spell effects or textures. Instead, I can get the important stuff for FREE (how awesome is that)!

Anyways, I am really looking forward to EQ: Next because I believe that it will everything that I am looking for in a game. I have always wanted to play an eight foot tall Ogre character with charmingly good looks that could sneak up on people and assassinate them, and no game has allowed me to do something like this before. I believe that EQ: Next will be the next WoW killer.

Your shoddy satire brought on apathy towards reading through the various pages of replies before deciding to post. People like you are continuing to hold back progression, and based off what: pay to play flash based browser games and failed free to play models of the past. If you were too unintelligent to realize that flash based games are PAY TO PLAY and not free to play, well...you deserved your anguish and utter frustration. Anyone with half a brain would realize that these models aren't free to play and are, in fact, pay to win models under the guise of free to play in order to rope people into paying for the items they NEED.

Guildwars 2 (Last I checked.) and Planetside 2 are completely free to play game models...the latter of which works great in combination with their new Player Studio concept that lets common players make money off things they, themselves, design for the game. T-Ray is a Nazi when it comes to what's incorporated, so he ensures that nothing enters PS2 that doesn't follow suit with the feel of the game.

A Free to Play model can be done, and done right...we know this.

Hell, you could probably fund an entire MMORPG off a well designed player Housing system by having shop options for furnature and other vanity items. I can guarantee you that it would rake in a substantial amount of cash if the entire player housing system was done right and with depth.

That's just one option.

You could also give unlimited server transfers to players who actually subscribe to the game, along with other non-gameplay oriented perks.

The potential is there.

Edit:

I will admit, Buy to Play is a far more stable model...which is what Guildwars 2 did. It's free to play once you've purchased the game, and I do feel that it's a much more stable free to play model. However, Planetside 2 seems to be doing quite well after a rushed launch that could have been held back a bit...

Still a great game, and looking better as time progresses.

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  Yamota

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10/15/13 5:40:43 PM#54
Originally posted by VengeSunsoar
Originally posted by Yamota

F2P is a sham. It is a way for corporations to suck out money from weakminded people who sink more and more money into a video game. Granted not all, I would say even most, F2P players are like that, but they are who are keeping F2P games up.

 

Funny,  You can say this exact same phrase almost word for word and be talking about p2p.

Nope. In a traditional P2P, not the one's which have a cash shop and thus double dipping, you pay a small fixed amount per month and every couple of years you pay a fixed amount for an expansion. So there is no way for them to charge you more than that, which you have in so called F2P games which are often built up in a way to nickle and dime you if you want this or that item/bonus etc. 

Sure not everyone needs to pay, and thus get a less than ideal experience, but the fact that they are projecting a 2.5 billion revenue shows that a lot of people are.

  lizardbones

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10/15/13 5:56:30 PM#55


Originally posted by Yamota

Originally posted by VengeSunsoar

Originally posted by Yamota F2P is a sham. It is a way for corporations to suck out money from weakminded people who sink more and more money into a video game. Granted not all, I would say even most, F2P players are like that, but they are who are keeping F2P games up.  
Funny,  You can say this exact same phrase almost word for word and be talking about p2p.
Nope. In a traditional P2P, not the one's which have a cash shop and thus double dipping, you pay a small fixed amount per month and every couple of years you pay a fixed amount for an expansion. So there is no way for them to charge you more than that, which you have in so called F2P games which are often built up in a way to nickle and dime you if you want this or that item/bonus etc. 

Sure not everyone needs to pay, and thus get a less than ideal experience, but the fact that they are projecting a 2.5 billion revenue shows that a lot of people are.




Cash shops for additional features have existed nearly as long as the games and subscription services themselves. The thing with F2P games is the same thing with P2P games. It all depends on the implementation. You can have a good F2P implementation and a bad F2P implementation. Ditto for P2P. You can have a good P2P implementation and a bad one. Good games and bad games. And so on.

The biggest difference between P2P and F2P is that there is actually some variation. People have a chance to see what games are bad and what games have bad implementations without spending any money. This is not true with P2P games. In order to find out if a game is bad, or good, but not for the player is by spending the money in the first place.

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  Cecropia

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10/15/13 6:04:31 PM#56
Originally posted by nariusseldon
Originally posted by VengeSunsoar
Those are MMO's, just not mmoRPG.

So?

LoL is listed in the game list on this site, isn't it?

This has been explained to you countless times. This site is a business, and they want as many people coming here as possible, so they do cover non-genre titles that people who play MMORPGs might have an interest in. A lot of MMOs are being targeted at MMORPG players (shocker, I know), sometimes going so far as to even market them as MMORPGs. This also has to do with business and cashing on the MMORPG crowd. For whatever reason, you seem to be really thrown off by all of this.

Say a random literary internet site starts classifying Sherlock Holmes novels as Erotica, this doesn't change the fact that they are Mystery novels. This is some pretty basic stuff, man.

It's the internet, lol, don't be so easily confused.

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10/15/13 6:28:26 PM#57
Originally posted by Yamota
Originally posted by VengeSunsoar
Originally posted by Yamota

F2P is a sham. It is a way for corporations to suck out money from weakminded people who sink more and more money into a video game. Granted not all, I would say even most, F2P players are like that, but they are who are keeping F2P games up.

 

Funny,  You can say this exact same phrase almost word for word and be talking about p2p.

Nope. In a traditional P2P, not the one's which have a cash shop and thus double dipping, you pay a small fixed amount per month and every couple of years you pay a fixed amount for an expansion. So there is no way for them to charge you more than that, which you have in so called F2P games which are often built up in a way to nickle and dime you if you want this or that item/bonus etc. 

Sure not everyone needs to pay, and thus get a less than ideal experience, but the fact that they are projecting a 2.5 billion revenue shows that a lot of people are.

 Sure we can.  Watch.

P2P is a sham.  It is a way for corporations to suck out money from weakminded people who sink more and more time into a game through addictive mechanisms.  Granted, not all, I would say even most, p2p players are like that but they the ones who keep the p2p model up.

See virtually the exact same thing talking about p2p. 

Quit worrying about other players in a game and just play.

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10/15/13 6:30:04 PM#58
Originally posted by Yamota
Originally posted by VengeSunsoar
Originally posted by Yamota

F2P is a sham. It is a way for corporations to suck out money from weakminded people who sink more and more money into a video game. Granted not all, I would say even most, F2P players are like that, but they are who are keeping F2P games up.

 

Funny,  You can say this exact same phrase almost word for word and be talking about p2p.

Nope. In a traditional P2P, not the one's which have a cash shop and thus double dipping, you pay a small fixed amount per month and every couple of years you pay a fixed amount for an expansion. So there is no way for them to charge you more than that, which you have in so called F2P games which are often built up in a way to nickle and dime you if you want this or that item/bonus etc. 

Sure not everyone needs to pay, and thus get a less than ideal experience, but the fact that they are projecting a 2.5 billion revenue shows that a lot of people are.

If you're buying the ex pack what are you paying for all that time with the sub ? ...other than the whole weak minded...sinking money into a game ect ect thing

That's why the exact same phrase can be used word for word for both pay types. A sub + paying for content is still double dipping. they've just been doing it so long people make better excuses for it.

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10/15/13 6:30:44 PM#59
Originally posted by Cecropia
Originally posted by nariusseldon
Originally posted by VengeSunsoar
Those are MMO's, just not mmoRPG.

So?

LoL is listed in the game list on this site, isn't it?

This has been explained to you countless times. This site is a business, and they want as many people coming here as possible, so they do cover non-genre titles that people who play MMORPGs might have an interest in. A lot of MMOs are being targeted at MMORPG players (shocker, I know), sometimes going so far as to even market them as MMORPGs. This also has to do with business and cashing on the MMORPG crowd. For whatever reason, you seem to be really thrown off by all of this.

Say a random literary internet site starts classifying Sherlock Holmes novels as Erotica, this doesn't change the fact that they are Mystery novels. This is some pretty basic stuff, man.

It's the internet, lol, don't be so easily confused.

 I wasn't even commenting on the fact that they were mentioned in the article, just someone else saying that they weren't MMORPG.  I"m just stating they don't need to be MMORPG, the industy does consider them MMO's.

Party size, IMO is irrelevant, as in any game I can really only group up with 6-10 anyway, it's the number of people I can interact with and then form the group that determines if it's an MMO and Lol fits that criteria.

Now we get to define interaction... yay.

Quit worrying about other players in a game and just play.

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10/15/13 6:38:11 PM#60
Originally posted by Loktofeit
Originally posted by DamonVile
Originally posted by Arclan

Originally posted by nariusseldon
http://www.superdataresearch.com/blog/everquest-next-claim-free-to-play-mmo/

 

"it’s clear that Sony has no intention of slowing down, setting its sights on claiming a piece of the free-to-play MMO market. Our early estimates for the US market put the total spending for 2013E at $2.5 billion, growing 57% year-over-year."

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Thanks for posting more garbage from that site which has been shown time and again here, through debate, that it's data are at best misleading and at worst categorically false. Though I've no interest in rekindling that debate here. Any interested parties can search the forums.

I laughed out loud....

MMORPG.com is that magical place on the internet where if you don't want it to be true, then it simply isn't true. The Backfire Effect not only lives here, it breeds and thrives.

Wow thanks for that link. It applies to just about every thread we have on the tired old topics of f2p, pvp, SWTOR...ect ect....in fact I can think of very few threads this doesn't apply to here. I'm pretty sure there's nothing magical about this place though :P

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