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  Lustmord

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Joined: 12/21/05
Posts: 1081

 
OP  10/13/13 5:01:16 PM#1

http://www.twitch.tv/startmuxing

 

One of the lead developers discussing the future of the game with players who contacted him on facebook and set it up.

  Cecropia

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Poacher killer.

10/13/13 5:28:55 PM#2

I was just reading the reactions on the official DF forums. This thread will end up being an interesting read, I'm sure.

And holy Shiite if they have that many subs.

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  niceguy3978

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10/13/13 5:43:56 PM#3
Originally posted by Cecropia

I was just reading the reactions on the official DF forums. This thread will end up being an interesting read, I'm sure.

And holy Shiite if they have that many subs.

I gotta ask, if they have how many subs?

  Deerhunter71

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Joined: 10/25/05
Posts: 554

10/13/13 6:19:50 PM#4
Originally posted by niceguy3978
Originally posted by Cecropia

I was just reading the reactions on the official DF forums. This thread will end up being an interesting read, I'm sure.

And holy Shiite if they have that many subs.

I gotta ask, if they have how many subs?

Supposedly like 20k subs....  Dude was asking for more money, subs, spread the word to your friends....  LOL  Was hilarious and great comedy.

 

Per Claus himself:

 

"I'll probably regret this in the morning, and I may even get fired. Doesn't matter, it was fun and worth it no matter the outcome. If I do get fired, you can find me on my site, and I'll be looking to make some games.

I dare anyone to be this honest.

http://claus.enjin.com/home"

  Maejohl

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10/13/13 6:28:58 PM#5

I think he was just trolling with you all :)

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  Deerhunter71

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10/13/13 7:14:00 PM#6

Per Lust:

 

Notes:

At 20, 000 subscriber now. Need to get to 35, 000.
Need 15,000 more subscribers because they are out of money and owe debts all over town.
With current subs, they are slowly dying, can't really pay their bills.


Think's game will keep running, and AV can get more money- But for the game to thrive, needs more players. Some developers aren't currently getting paid.

Plans to improve cities, give them more worth, and increase pvp.


1. Steam Keys, looking into.
2. Player models.
3. Prowess Reset.
4. Conquest improve cities.
5. Different fund raising/promotion methods.
6. Clause has an idea of arena's to set up wager duels, and allow people to bet.
7. 

Clause talks about amazing network code, a genius behind it, needs to do more work.. but not getting paid.

Previous project manager left a mess.. Clause brought in to fix things.

Clause wants to hire the best, smartest players, and bring them into the company.




Question Asked, to Sendog:
What would keep your alliance subscribing?

A: Give a reason to go out in the world, not stare at bank. Enchanting, Mob Loot, anything but suiciding into the best players.


Clause thinks the interface is terrible.


Clause wants to:
Wants to create a new role... A support class that deploys turrets.

Wants more loot, like Diablo3 or Path of Exile.

Wants to add quests.


Repeatable Prowess Feats. Remove diminishing returns.

  Fearum

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Joined: 1/15/11
Posts: 1092

10/13/13 7:26:43 PM#7
I think he's high. Game is going down fast and hard, if they are already out of money I don't see much happening in the near future. I think they are banking a lot on the release in the Asian market to get out of the red but if that fails I doubt we see anything more than a few updates a year.  
  User Deleted
10/13/13 7:45:20 PM#8

I played DF1 for a little over a year and DFUW for a couple of months, but I realized I just didn't want to go on because I there was nothing for average players to do, really, other than be fodder. I am an average player -- maybe a little above or below, but it's hard to measure exactly.

 

To become "good" or 1337 in DFUW, I you need time and skill. 

1. Time to grind stuff for crafting or to give it to your clan crafter (if you are in a smallish clan that doesn't have tons of stuff like the leet clans). You have to have gear to replace the gear you will lose often. It's not hard, but you have to spend time to get geared for pvp. And if you are average and not leet, you will be preyed upon by the leet, thus losing more than you gain from hunting noobs who don't have much on them that you would want anyway and aren't very fun to pvp (in my opinion). So you spend a lot of time pve-ing or gathering.

 

2. You need to pve a lot to farm prowess. Leet players don't need that much prowess, but they have it. Skill does matter in this game. I personally saw a 45k prowess guy lose to a 14k prowess guy at the beginning of DFUW.  One of the reasons I quit is that I was playing a lot, maybe 20-30 hours a week, having fun with clannies and pve-ing a lot to get prowess. That's a lot for, me, a guy with a job and life outside DFUW. I saw some guys from a leet clan at the bank with 125k, while I was just sitting there with 35k. I just felt like I would never be in the same league or even near it with players like that around. No hope. Of course, it also has to do with efficiency and knowing the smartest way to do things, not just playing for fun. And leet clans have all that and help each other out, too. I don't really know how they did it.

 

3. You need skill in the twitch sense. It takes time sunk into the game, to know your keybindings, etc. It has to be natural. It takes time playing/pvping and fast twitch skills. I am average at best. 

 

4. You need to focus at all times. You need awareness of you and your enemy in one-on-one and you need tactical awareness of your team and the enemy, situational awareness, etc. This is where I just realized I would never be good at pvp in this game. It's just too taxing for me after a long day of work. I know this is fun for a lot of people and I'm glad this game exists for them, but I couldn't hack it after a while. It is a hard game you just have to be able to do it to pull your weight in clan pvp. 

 

And the worst thing of all, two of our clan's best pvp-ers, and they were very good, quit because of hacks. They said the one that was game breaking for them was the 180 degree behind-the-back archery of a player they were pursuing who didn't even have to turn around. I didn't see it. They didn't record it. So it's just hearsay. But I believe them. They never complained about hacking in the past and they are not the kind of people who would do it just because they felt butthurt. But you would be taking my word for that, so for whatever it's worth.

 

This game is hard enough as it is (which is good) but it doesn't need people hacking on top of it. 

 

Bottom line: If it's true that they only have 20k and they need 15k more, I don't see how they can do it. Dumbing the game down will only drive away the players they have now. I wish them luck, though. There must be 35k people on the planet that would like this game. I just don't know how they will get them all to sub.

  bcbully

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Joined: 3/03/12
Posts: 7260

10/13/13 8:11:59 PM#9
1st, Change the mounted models and animations.

When I eat chocolate chip pie it just doesn't feel like chocolate chip cookies. The texture, the consistency, it's just not the same and this is disappointing.

  niceguy3978

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Joined: 6/14/06
Posts: 1995

10/13/13 8:25:50 PM#10
Originally posted by Deerhunter71
Originally posted by niceguy3978
Originally posted by Cecropia

I was just reading the reactions on the official DF forums. This thread will end up being an interesting read, I'm sure.

And holy Shiite if they have that many subs.

I gotta ask, if they have how many subs?

Supposedly like 20k subs....  Dude was asking for more money, subs, spread the word to your friends....  LOL  Was hilarious and great comedy.

 

Per Claus himself:

 

"I'll probably regret this in the morning, and I may even get fired. Doesn't matter, it was fun and worth it no matter the outcome. If I do get fired, you can find me on my site, and I'll be looking to make some games.

I dare anyone to be this honest.

http://claus.enjin.com/home"

I keep reading on these forums that niche games only need a few thousand subs to stay afloat.  Losing money with 20k subs doesn't jive with that.

  DrunkWolf

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Joined: 5/07/09
Posts: 1085

10/13/13 8:37:59 PM#11
Originally posted by PWN_FACE

I played DF1 for a little over a year and DFUW for a couple of months, but I realized I just didn't want to go on because I there was nothing for average players to do, really, other than be fodder. I am an average player -- maybe a little above or below, but it's hard to measure exactly.

 

To become "good" or 1337 in DFUW, I you need time and skill. 

1. Time to grind stuff for crafting or to give it to your clan crafter (if you are in a smallish clan that doesn't have tons of stuff like the leet clans). You have to have gear to replace the gear you will lose often. It's not hard, but you have to spend time to get geared for pvp. And if you are average and not leet, you will be preyed upon by the leet, thus losing more than you gain from hunting noobs who don't have much on them that you would want anyway and aren't very fun to pvp (in my opinion). So you spend a lot of time pve-ing or gathering.

 

2. You need to pve a lot to farm prowess. Leet players don't need that much prowess, but they have it. Skill does matter in this game. I personally saw a 45k prowess guy lose to a 14k prowess guy at the beginning of DFUW.  One of the reasons I quit is that I was playing a lot, maybe 20-30 hours a week, having fun with clannies and pve-ing a lot to get prowess. That's a lot for, me, a guy with a job and life outside DFUW. I saw some guys from a leet clan at the bank with 125k, while I was just sitting there with 35k. I just felt like I would never be in the same league or even near it with players like that around. No hope. Of course, it also has to do with efficiency and knowing the smartest way to do things, not just playing for fun. And leet clans have all that and help each other out, too. I don't really know how they did it.

 

3. You need skill in the twitch sense. It takes time sunk into the game, to know your keybindings, etc. It has to be natural. It takes time playing/pvping and fast twitch skills. I am average at best. 

 

4. You need to focus at all times. You need awareness of you and your enemy in one-on-one and you need tactical awareness of your team and the enemy, situational awareness, etc. This is where I just realized I would never be good at pvp in this game. It's just too taxing for me after a long day of work. I know this is fun for a lot of people and I'm glad this game exists for them, but I couldn't hack it after a while. It is a hard game you just have to be able to do it to pull your weight in clan pvp. 

 

And the worst thing of all, two of our clan's best pvp-ers, and they were very good, quit because of hacks. They said the one that was game breaking for them was the 180 degree behind-the-back archery of a player they were pursuing who didn't even have to turn around. I didn't see it. They didn't record it. So it's just hearsay. But I believe them. They never complained about hacking in the past and they are not the kind of people who would do it just because they felt butthurt. But you would be taking my word for that, so for whatever it's worth.

 

This game is hard enough as it is (which is good) but it doesn't need people hacking on top of it. 

 

Bottom line: If it's true that they only have 20k and they need 15k more, I don't see how they can do it. Dumbing the game down will only drive away the players they have now. I wish them luck, though. There must be 35k people on the planet that would like this game. I just don't know how they will get them all to sub.

or you can just d/l the aim hack like the leet players and compete.

  indef

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Joined: 9/22/12
Posts: 360

10/13/13 8:46:37 PM#12

Tasos replied to a thread on the official forums and said Claus had an "unfortunate human moment"... and it looks like Tasos deleted every thread on the official forums related to this stream.

Can anyone summarize what the "unfortunate human moment" was and what exactly Claus said?

  MrBoots

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Joined: 4/07/03
Posts: 280

10/14/13 3:41:35 AM#13
Did anyone save the video or have links to any of the stuff he said?
  Galadourn

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10/14/13 3:49:04 AM#14
yes, can anyone upload the video or at least give us a good account of what was said?

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  Greymoor

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Joined: 12/30/10
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10/14/13 5:42:11 AM#15
This is great news, if Claus can follow through with the changes he wants to make then AV will reach 35k subscriptions no problem. Claus for those who are unaware helped develop DF1 from scratch and had a great vision of what made a risk-reward game successful. And he clearly has the same mindset as the players with what to do next.
  xpiher

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10/14/13 5:44:30 AM#16
Need more info. The how's matter.


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  MrBoots

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10/14/13 6:23:49 AM#17
Originally posted by PWN_FACE

And the worst thing of all, two of our clan's best pvp-ers, and they were very good, quit because of hacks. They said the one that was game breaking for them was the 180 degree behind-the-back archery of a player they were pursuing who didn't even have to turn around. I didn't see it. They didn't record it. So it's just hearsay. But I believe them. They never complained about hacking in the past and they are not the kind of people who would do it just because they felt butthurt. But you would be taking my word for that, so for whatever it's worth.

 

This game is hard enough as it is (which is good) but it doesn't need people hacking on top of it. 

 

I quit because I got tired of aim bots like Dolphin Rider and his rapid fire bow that misses maybe 1 out of 20 shots. He will never be caught because he uses a private hack that's only shared with the upper echelon of his clan.

  User Deleted
10/14/13 6:47:05 AM#18
Originally posted by MrBoots
Originally posted by PWN_FACE

And the worst thing of all, two of our clan's best pvp-ers, and they were very good, quit because of hacks. They said the one that was game breaking for them was the 180 degree behind-the-back archery of a player they were pursuing who didn't even have to turn around. I didn't see it. They didn't record it. So it's just hearsay. But I believe them. They never complained about hacking in the past and they are not the kind of people who would do it just because they felt butthurt. But you would be taking my word for that, so for whatever it's worth.

 

This game is hard enough as it is (which is good) but it doesn't need people hacking on top of it. 

 

I quit because I got tired of aim bots like Dolphin Rider and his rapid fire bow that misses maybe 1 out of 20 shots. He will never be caught because he uses a private hack that's only shared with the upper echelon of his clan.

Yes, it's just cheating, plain and simple. There is no honor in it and it really sucks in a ffa full loot pvp game. My clannies were saying the guy they were chasing had some kind of speed hack on as well. Didn't say who it was.

 

AV lost my 4 accounts (one was my wife's) as well as my clannies' (at least two accounts if they didn't have alts). If they can't deal with the hacks, they will only have a few rubes buying the game as new customers and a bunch of cheaters after a while. That may not work out to the 35k subs they might need.

  xpiher

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10/14/13 7:25:39 AM#19
The number of hacks are being blown out of proportion in this thread. I played with dolphin rider in dfo as well as most of the coe/rgf crew and most of the other top pvpers. There were only a few people who cheated in this circle and most where ostracized. White chapel for instance. Mr bucket. Johna hacked on alt account to make money to fuel grinding.

The two biggest names that get accused of hacking are aim bot and dolphin aim bot gets accused of hacking because most people do not understand how the game works and he does. What he does is use the strafe mechanic to force the direction of his arrows at distance and ignores wobble when at mid-short range because of the way hit boxes work. The only video THAT May show him hacking in dfo was one in a village where the only way to run was in a single direction.

I can't comment on dolphin rider as I've only ran into him 3x in uw. But in dfo he was accused of it in dfo during water combat. In water combat constantly strafing and going up and down can throw off a lesser skilled persons aim especially at range and in group fights I don't think I've seen a better person on knowing how and when to pull back, using friendlies to meat shield and sustain pressure.


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  DarthRaiden

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10/14/13 7:26:48 AM#20

It was funny.

Basically he was begging for money and promised everyone in the voice chat what he wanted to hear. At least he confirmed that DF:UW cant survive with current numbers (being drunk has helped in honesty).

Now i can understand how it comes to DF2010 promises with armor specifictions and ends up with DF:UW classes.

 

Thats the latest moment every player should be aware of how AV is working from inside  and how rotten that is..,.(Claus maybe not the roten part,  we all know the rotten part is Tasos and and the Tasoslikes in the company)

 

Someone in the chat (i forgot his name) said he saved the twitch.tv stream ...please uplaod i and link it for everyone.

 

(Oh and barely any of  his changes in mind will help Darkfall..the word sandbox hasn't been even mentioned) 

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