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General Discussion  » No free world open PvP, no player looting, no sandbox world, tab aiming = GUARANTEE OF FAILURE

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  DrunkWolf

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10/12/13 12:20:04 PM#41
Originally posted by Komandor

Here's what the devs are thinking:

 


"Hmmm...there are so many theme park, carebare, levelling fantasy MMOs out there already...we know...LET'S MAKE ANOTHER ONE"

 

One really has to laugh.

TES is about going out there in the wild and killing stuff. TES is about manual aiming, blocking and slashing. TES is about free roaming. TES is about killing anyone and looting them.

TES isn't about shiny WoW clone sh**.

Just another carebare game...move along, nothing to see here.

have to agree OP, its like every time a game like this comes out i bet blizzard is sitting back laughing because all these people are doing is making WoW expansions.  the sheep will buy it up eat the content in 2 months quit and go back to wow for their next expansion. then game goes free to play after a year and population never recovers.

These games arnt wow clones anymore, they are wow expansions.

  Jockan

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10/12/13 12:23:15 PM#42
Looking forward to checking it out.

  Reklaw

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10/12/13 12:27:28 PM#43
Originally posted by Komandor

Here's what the devs are thinking:

 


"Hmmm...there are so many theme park, carebare, levelling fantasy MMOs out there already...we know...LET'S MAKE ANOTHER ONE"

 

One really has to laugh.

TES is about going out there in the wild and killing stuff. TES is about manual aiming, blocking and slashing. TES is about free roaming. TES is about killing anyone and looting them.

TES isn't about shiny WoW clone sh**.

Just another carebare game...move along, nothing to see here.

 You post would actually mean something if you wrote about your ingame experiance of Elder Scrolls Online. Sharing what you liked and/or disliked.

Unless of course you havn't played the game yet and are all high on the populair bandwagon of calling fail with no actuall experiance.

  Panther2103

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10/12/13 12:29:32 PM#44
Originally posted by Mr.Kujo

 

Define doing great? Ultima had no competition at it's time so it managed to gather some faithful players and earn some money. Big deal. Compared to todays mmo's that need to win over market that has hundreds of titles, who is doing great? UO had freaking monopoly, was one of the first experiences of this type, and had many years to gather players. By todays standards it did well below average. EvE is the only decent space mmo, so it also has no competition. If you like space and mmo, EvE is one of few games you can play, of course it will have solid player base. Those examples are just worst possible.

And no, developers are not stupid and unskilled, you show arogance and complete lack of knowledge about the topic in every sentence you make, and you offend people that are dedicated to make a freaking game for you.

Your type of games belongs to niche, a small group of players like you. Kickstarter projects try to satisfy this group, but they fail, because this group is not big enough to support even cheap indie projects. It is time to accept that and move along, like you said yourself. Or keep playing UO.

This. Open pvp full loot games are really really niche games, not very many players are into it at all. If I tried to tell any of my friends "Hey come play this full loot pvp game that is aim to attack and kind of like an fps in combat with weapons" they would probably think the second half was relatively cool but they would laugh and say hell no because of the full loot. I love full loot pvp but it's not for everyone, and a big company would never risk their game on allowing that to happen. 

 

Plus if you think about the market, there are a lot of older MMO players who don't want to have to rely on their ability to aim a skill at something, or be fast, or a twitch combat MMO, kids tend to be very good but as you grow older your reflexes are definitely hit, and some people just don't enjoy the combat of those games. 

Now that's all based on full loot open world pvp, twitch combat is not an easy endeavor, even for a big company like Bethesda, the only reason it worked in Darkfall was because they had to limit the hell out of the actual combat, it didn't detect in hit areas like it would in skyrim, it would detect that you either hit their body or their head, and I don't even know if it detected their head. Servers would have to be able to process every single hit or block from every single character in that entire open world, and stay lag free. Not easy whatsoever which is why most of the action mmo's tend to be heavily instanced, like Tera, Vindictus, or Dragons Nest. 

  rodingo

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10/12/13 12:43:25 PM#45
Originally posted by artemisentr4

The OP is the perfect example of why all open PvP player looting games fail. Even EvE is a failure using the OP logic. I don't like it so it is a failed game.

 

 

What?!?   Someone on MMORPG.com claiming a game has failed/failing/will fail because they don't like it?!?!   Preposterous!

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  Ginaz

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10/12/13 12:49:32 PM#46
I hope this game doesn't have the same combat as Skyrim because, for me, it was the weakest part, esp. melee combat.  Maybe keep manual aiming for ranged attacks but use tab target for melee.

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  Comaf

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I want an mmorpg where pvp matters, my enemies are not my race or class, and community matters.

10/12/13 12:51:12 PM#47
Originally posted by Komandor

Here's what the devs are thinking:

 


"Hmmm...there are so many theme park, carebare, levelling fantasy MMOs out there already...we know...LET'S MAKE ANOTHER ONE"

 

One really has to laugh.

TES is about going out there in the wild and killing stuff. TES is about manual aiming, blocking and slashing. TES is about free roaming. TES is about killing anyone and looting them.

TES isn't about shiny WoW clone sh**.

Just another carebare game...move along, nothing to see here.

 

The following is a complete list of all of the full-loot mmorpgs on the market that are financially successful:

 

 

  NightBandit

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10/12/13 12:53:28 PM#48
Originally posted by Komandor

Here's what the devs are thinking:

 


"Hmmm...there are so many theme park, carebare, levelling fantasy MMOs out there already...we know...LET'S MAKE ANOTHER ONE"

 

One really has to laugh.

TES is about going out there in the wild and killing stuff. TES is about manual aiming, blocking and slashing. TES is about free roaming. TES is about killing anyone and looting them.

TES isn't about shiny WoW clone sh**.

Just another carebare game...move along, nothing to see here.

ROFL.....!!!! Listen honey until you get your hands on the game and try it I would just chill out and wait and see, this game will surprise many people you included.

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  Acebets70

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10/12/13 12:56:33 PM#49
OP is spot on Bravo!!!! /golf clap
  ThomasN7

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10/12/13 1:02:13 PM#50
You mean open world pvp player looting like Dark Fall ? Yes that game is such a raving success everyone is trying to do that now.  #sarcasm
  Reklaw

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10/12/13 1:31:47 PM#51
Originally posted by Acebets70
OP is spot on Bravo!!!! /golf clap

 Yeah most likely OP is spot on at removing any attempt to bring in Elder Scroll fans.

You know Elder Scrolls is so famous for it's open world pvp ...right???

Personaly as a gamer both with singleplayer games and MMO or MMORPG I still feel that ESO will actually give us that elder scroll feeling. We can roam around in 9 provinces. All of thelands we have know from the Elder Scrolls will be there. thankfully there is PVP and for those who like that there is a hugh province to do so which isthe Capital of Cyrodiil.

A game with such a hugh IP would actually fail if it would be a free for all player looting pvp centric game.

  lizardbones

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10/12/13 4:01:39 PM#52


Originally posted by Komandor
Here's what the devs are thinking:

 


"Hmmm...there are so many theme park, carebare, levelling fantasy MMOs out there already...we know...LET'S MAKE ANOTHER ONE"
 

One really has to laugh.

TES is about going out there in the wild and killing stuff. TES is about manual aiming, blocking and slashing. TES is about free roaming. TES is about killing anyone and looting them.

TES isn't about shiny WoW clone sh**.

Just another carebare game...move along, nothing to see here.




I know, I mean look at all those TES PvP videos. What are the devs thinking, making a game that is nothing like TES games in the first place. I mean obviously some of the best loot available in TES is from the PvP.

I'm not a fan of the tab targeting thing though. I guess it's a good thing they are doing something that isn't exactly tab targeting.

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  JasonJ

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10/12/13 4:20:24 PM#53
Originally posted by Amjoco
Every time I play Skyrim I think, "I wish I could play with friends". No matter what happens, if I can play an ES game with a friend, they will have succeeded. Why does this site and it's fans pick things to death, and doom them to failure before they even come out?

 You are not going to be playing a ES game with a friend. You are going to be playing a game with a friend that is using the ES name to get you to play it.

TESO has next to nothing outside of NAMES that makes it ES, well and along with graphics that SLIGHTLY look like a 10 year old ES game. The story is horrible, it has none of the exploration and depth ES games have and it completely lacks the depth of an MMO. Much of what they dare call "ES" is masked BS wrapped in an MMO box. Even the so called "freedom" to make the character of your choosing is BS...sure you can play any way you like, as long as you have the right weapon equipped...want to heal? Better have a healing staff, but then if you do have a healing staff you better say goodbye to your fire spells, which you cant cast if you have an ice staff equipped...and then there is the lack of clarity that you will be able to max out EACH of those attack skills and not be locked into spending only a set amount of skill points.

The game is ES in name only, its locked into mediocrity thanks to developers with a lack of imagination when it comes to the small box that is the MMO genre they helped to create.

  Psion33

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10/12/13 4:29:58 PM#54
Originally posted by Komandor

Here's what the devs are thinking:

 


"Hmmm...there are so many theme park, carebare, levelling fantasy MMOs out there already...we know...LET'S MAKE ANOTHER ONE"

 

One really has to laugh.

TES is about going out there in the wild and killing stuff. TES is about manual aiming, blocking and slashing. TES is about free roaming. TES is about killing anyone and looting them.

TES isn't about shiny WoW clone sh**.

Just another carebare game...move along, nothing to see here.

 

 

...in your own mind.

 

:) 

  SirFubar

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10/12/13 4:37:28 PM#55
Originally posted by Komandor

No, I mean there are too many games out there WITHOUT those features

You know why? Because most people don't like that style and they don't like to play against griefers/gankers. Simple as that. Themepark players = carebear you say? Then OWPvP players = noob gankers.

  keithian

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10/12/13 7:31:03 PM#56

The only thing that is a guaranteed failure is the intent of this thread. In fact a couple of points, like the comparison to WOW or the Tab Targeting nonsense isn't even accurate. The fact that the OP is posting similar things in other forums as someone pointed out means that he's not really even looking to discuss anything, so I don't get what the point of this thread is. Is it to sway me to his opinion? Guaranteed failure right there.

All I can say is thank god they arn't making the type of game he wants (aka Darkfall 3), because that like the two previous iterations would be a guaranteed failure as well. 

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  Shayyd80

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10/12/13 7:48:10 PM#57
agreed
  Deerhunter71

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10/12/13 8:37:06 PM#58
Originally posted by ThomasN7
You mean open world pvp player looting like Dark Fall ? Yes that game is such a raving success everyone is trying to do that now.  #sarcasm

+1 full loot game and it is on life support....  A game does not need full loot to be a success at all.

  DeathWolf2u

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10/12/13 8:56:02 PM#59
Originally posted by Komandor

Here's what the devs are thinking:

 


"Hmmm...there are so many theme park, carebare, levelling fantasy MMOs out there already...we know...LET'S MAKE ANOTHER ONE"

 

One really has to laugh.

TES is about going out there in the wild and killing stuff. TES is about manual aiming, blocking and slashing. TES is about free roaming. TES is about killing anyone and looting them.

TES isn't about shiny WoW clone sh**.

Just another carebare game...move along, nothing to see here.

The Elder Scrolls has never been about PvP because the series was never multiplayer in any way, shape or form. Now that it is coming to the mmo market why are some, (which is the minority), screaming for PvP?

 

The only thing automated in combat is targeting but still requires you to lock on to the target first. Blocking,  fighting and spellcasting is still manual.

 

Being a fan of the Elder Scrolls series this title was a huge disappointment after beta testing it though. So I'm not defending it that I believe it will be a great game I'm just pointing out that all this PvP nonsense is a ridiculous conversation to begin with in regards to The Elder Scrolls.

 

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