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  aspekx

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OP  10/06/13 5:28:46 PM#1

first to be clear, there are significant differences in the mmorpg's from 10-15 years back (or more). so i am not belittling those changes. however, its interesting to note that a number of us older gamers can look back and think: my gahd, what was i thinking camping that spawn all day.

 

the sad truth, that i am coming to accept, is that neurologically speaking its becoming more and more evident that the brain's ability to adapt to change as we age does diminish and it does diminish noticeably.

 

im afraid that neurologically speaking some of us are simply getting older. and i mean that sincerely, not casting any aspersions. but the facts are that as you age your neuronal pathways become less and less "flexible" in forming new connections or altering paths.

 

note, this is not about intelligence or the ability to process information. it seems that in some ways its easier when you are older. but the ability to form new paths or adapt older ones in new ways is affected (even if you are doing Sudoku every morning).

 

this is often why older folks are stereotypically seen as not embracing change. neurologically, its just harder. so those things we've enjoyed in the past seem more pleasurable because in a sense they really are more pleasurable. and the reason is that the brain is not having to overcome an increasingly difficult hurdle towards change.

 

this doesn't mean that everyone over 40 can't change or adapt. but it does mean that it is decreasing over time.

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  Magiknight

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10/06/13 5:32:58 PM#2
Even if I do have more trouble adapting to change as I get older that doesn't change the fact that the games have changed. Now they are shallower, emptier, shorter, easier, quicker....
  drakaena

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10/06/13 5:41:10 PM#3
Because devs used to make games they wanted to play instead of corporation's deciding what will make them the most money. MMOs lost their soul. Sort of like D&D.
  Kyleran

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10/06/13 5:41:51 PM#4
Originally posted by Magiknight
Even if I do have more trouble adapting to change as I get older that doesn't change the fact that the games have changed. Now they are shallower, emptier, shorter, easier, quicker....

This.  Yeah, I may have trouble adapting to change, but as you noted, today's titles are quite different and not for the better IMO, but your mileage may vary.

 

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  ste2000

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10/06/13 5:45:22 PM#5

OP you are right that as you age people are more resistant to changes.

But I do not think that's the issue with MMORPG.

The reason why older games seemes better is because they were not fast paced as they are now.

That gave us players the chance to interact more with each others and create good communities, which is what make a longeve MMO.

 

Camping spots might seems ridiculous today, but if you think about, how many conversation you had during those camping sessions?

And how many friends you made?

Personally I used to make lots of friends during camping sessions and dungeon crawling.

Today the pace is so fast that everything is over before you can write a sentence in the chat window.

A MMO without community interaction is not a MMO for me, that's why old MMO were better than today.

It has nothing to do with changes but the fact that they don't feel social.

 

By the way I do not have problem adapting to changes in Single player games, so it is definetly not the changes that make me like old MMOs better.

  Mardukk

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10/06/13 5:51:51 PM#6
Originally posted by Kyleran
Originally posted by Magiknight
Even if I do have more trouble adapting to change as I get older that doesn't change the fact that the games have changed. Now they are shallower, emptier, shorter, easier, quicker....

This.  Yeah, I may have trouble adapting to change, but as you noted, today's titles are quite different and not for the better IMO, but your mileage may vary.

 

I agree.  Gone are the attempts at making a virtual world, filled with freedom and consequence to my actions.  Now there is no freedom to screw up anything.  No risk and no reward.  Everyone is treated like a child, which makes the game much less rewarding.  There really is no arguing this, it's the cold hard truth.  Some may like these later types of games...I don't.  How OP missed that the games have changed, drastically for the worse, is beyond me.

 

Hell I've been forced to play a PvP game (Darkfall UW) and I hate PvP.  But at least the world is expansive virtually seemless and there are consequences to my actions.  Not being led by the nose from braindead quest hub to quest hub.

  stayBlind

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10/06/13 5:52:39 PM#7

A lot of older MMO seem more like 3d MUDs.

New MMOs seem like 3d cash shops.

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  Multibyte

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10/06/13 6:04:51 PM#8
Originally posted by Magiknight
Even if I do have more trouble adapting to change as I get older that doesn't change the fact that the games have changed. Now they are shallower, emptier, shorter, easier, quicker....

I agree with this.

Regardless of one has nostalgia for the old days or not, the games have changed drastically. Basically, they have been dumbed down dramatically to cater to players who do not enjoy challenging game and slow progression pace.

Nostalgia may have some impact, but I have no doubt that the bigger issue is that games lost their soul and heart while turning into instant gratification fests.

And I believe, like some others do,  this is why all those shiny new MMORPGs that are released with huge hyphe quickly start to fade away in a few months.

  nariusseldon

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10/06/13 6:11:31 PM#9

Who says older games seem better (for me) ...

They are less fun, more grind, dependent on others, less convenient, requires commitment ....

I am glad i am not playing them anymore.

 

  Xthos

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10/06/13 6:15:24 PM#10
Originally posted by Magiknight
Even if I do have more trouble adapting to change as I get older that doesn't change the fact that the games have changed. Now they are shallower, emptier, shorter, easier, quicker....

 +1, shallow mmos are horrible....Shallow single player/fps type stuff is fine, but I don't want it in my mmo.

 

  User Deleted
10/06/13 6:15:39 PM#11

My solution:   I don't like modern games.  I play the old ones.

 

  DMKano

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10/06/13 6:23:06 PM#12

I still play EQ1 - I play new games for a month and complete all content, then go back to EQ1 as the content there is endless in comparison.

 

  nariusseldon

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10/06/13 6:26:40 PM#13
Originally posted by Xthos
Originally posted by Magiknight
Even if I do have more trouble adapting to change as I get older that doesn't change the fact that the games have changed. Now they are shallower, emptier, shorter, easier, quicker....

 +1, shallow mmos are horrible....Shallow single player/fps type stuff is fine, but I don't want it in my mmo.

 

Yes, i agree.

Eve has very shallow pve combat mechanics. That is why i don't play that game.

  Demalis

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10/06/13 7:09:04 PM#14
Originally posted by ste2000

OP you are right that as you age people are more resistant to changes.

But I do not think that's the issue with MMORPG.

The reason why older games seemes better is because they were not fast paced as they are now.

That gave us players the chance to interact more with each others and create good communities, which is what make a longeve MMO.

 

Camping spots might seems ridiculous today, but if you think about, how many conversation you had during those camping sessions?

And how many friends you made?

Personally I used to make lots of friends during camping sessions and dungeon crawling.

Today the pace is so fast that everything is over before you can write a sentence in the chat window.

A MMO without community interaction is not a MMO for me, that's why old MMO were better than today.

It has nothing to do with changes but the fact that they don't feel social.

 

By the way I do not have problem adapting to changes in Single player games, so it is definetly not the changes that make me like old MMOs better.

+1

I can't help but think what the financial turnaround is, it would be interesting to see why some companies are turning out free to plays much quicker now. These games are looking more and more like casinos everyday, faster, flashier, and newer ways to take your money. 

  Vermillion_Raventhal

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10/06/13 7:27:09 PM#15

I was never into a grind but the new games are just borefest.  Very poor mechanic single player styled games with virtual cash shops pushed down your throat the whole time.  WoW is far superior to all these clones yet its long in the tooth and the repetition effects that game as well.  

 

I think one thing about the MMORPG genre is the lack of diversity in game play from game to game.  It's a very tired formula.  Changing the lore, combat, and slapping one gimmick on it does not change the quest hub grinds.  

  AlBQuirky

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10/07/13 4:05:29 AM#16


Originally posted by nariusseldon
Who says older games seem better (for me) ...

They are less fun, more grind, dependent on others, less convenient, requires commitment ....

I am glad i am not playing them anymore.



Why even post? Did you like the old MMORPGs? I don't think you did. Do you enjoy the new MMOs? I think you do. How do you fit into the topic at hand?

OP:
As others have said, the games have changed drastically from what they once were. I think you realize this since us "old farts" can not change our likes to fit the new games :)

Some changes I adapt to quite well, especially when those changes agree with what *I* thought needed to be changed. MMOs have removed downtime, which is where community is formed.

- Al

Personally the only modern MMORPG trend that annoys me is the idea that MMOs need to be designed in a way to attract people who don't actually like MMOs. Which to me makes about as much sense as someone trying to figure out a way to get vegetarians to eat at their steakhouse.
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  Neo_Viper

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10/07/13 4:27:00 AM#17

I'm perfectly able to make friends even with no downtime... maybe the problem doesn't come from the games?

The "old" games had good aspects, but most also were terrible, awful grind after grind nightmares where you had to play insane amounts of time to progress. And by insane, I mean unhealthy.

So I disagree, "old" games aren't generally "better".

And as said, most of those games are still around... just play them!

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  monochrome19

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10/07/13 4:41:33 AM#18
I dont think its my brains fault. I still love pvp 100% I've never grown tired of it. However, questing and stuff I can do without. its so mind numbing and tedious it makes me hate it. The bottom line is, if a game is fun I'll enjoy it. but every mmo seems to share the same cookie cutter build there really is no room for fun, if you play one you play them all.
  Phaserlight

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10/07/13 11:43:13 AM#19
Neurologically speaking, I've been training my twitch skills since age 13, and 6dof spatial awareness since age 22.

Nowadays I'm learning to unlearn what I used to know. My 30s so far feel much more stable than my 20s; no doubt I'll look back in my 40s and wonder 'how did I ever get by?'

Personally, I think it's all part of this big illusion, but I can't spend too much time wondering about that to make it through a successful day.

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  Antiquated

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10/07/13 12:09:26 PM#20

OP Posits.

Responses can be paraphrased "Old games were just better 'cause they were."

Unassailable position, of course, because qualitative judgements are after all judgements.

"Why are red cars better?"

"I said so."

"Well, ok then. For you, they are indeed."

 

The problem becomes escaping from the corner you have painted yourself into, should they stop manufacturing red paint. That too is a purely personal problem.

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