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  MadDemon64

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10/02/13 9:45:05 AM#41
Originally posted by maxima29
Originally posted by MadDemon64
Originally posted by gamekid2k
Anyone knows how many active players are currently playing SWToR?  Did f2p caused a big increase?

Going f2p always causes a big increase.  Rift, TERA, Aion, etc.; they all had large population increases due to the f2p conversion.

Of course, not all games did as well as others.  While I do not know how the population sizes/increases of Rift, TERA, and Aion compare to each other, they are still much higher than games like EQ2 or SWTOR due to Rift, TERA, and Aion making it so that people the amount of content free players have is identical to the amount of content people had when the games had subscriptions (or almost the same with maybe one or two small things unavailable), with current subscribers getting extra bonuses, while EQ2 and SWTOR restricting what you can do unless you subscribe (although EQ2 has lightened up a bit, but not so much SWTOR, or has that changed?)

 

I am sorry are you trying to say Rift has a higher population than SWTOR?

To my knowledge yes.

Since when is Tuesday a direction?

  maxima29

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10/02/13 9:58:50 AM#42
Originally posted by MadDemon64
Originally posted by maxima29
Originally posted by MadDemon64
Originally posted by gamekid2k
Anyone knows how many active players are currently playing SWToR?  Did f2p caused a big increase?

Going f2p always causes a big increase.  Rift, TERA, Aion, etc.; they all had large population increases due to the f2p conversion.

Of course, not all games did as well as others.  While I do not know how the population sizes/increases of Rift, TERA, and Aion compare to each other, they are still much higher than games like EQ2 or SWTOR due to Rift, TERA, and Aion making it so that people the amount of content free players have is identical to the amount of content people had when the games had subscriptions (or almost the same with maybe one or two small things unavailable), with current subscribers getting extra bonuses, while EQ2 and SWTOR restricting what you can do unless you subscribe (although EQ2 has lightened up a bit, but not so much SWTOR, or has that changed?)

 

I am sorry are you trying to say Rift has a higher population than SWTOR?

To my knowledge yes.

 

Well you knowledge is a little lacking based on facts that are available. Swtor added 2 million players since f2p and Rift added almost 1 million. Unless you have some links to back up your knowledge why post such claims? All you need to do is Google Rift f2p population and you get "roughly 1 mill" same for Swtor you get 2 million.
  Amjoco

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10/02/13 10:07:03 AM#43
Originally posted by DamonVile
Originally posted by skyline385
Originally posted by gamekid2k
Anyone knows how many active players are currently playing SWToR?  Did f2p caused a big increase?

It's doing extremely well with tons or people and regular updates. Don't mind the haters here and see it for yourself. I even created this thread to get this rid of some of the false presumptions of the game because i simply hate people who hate hard-working devs over lies.

http://www.mmorpg.com/discussion2.cfm/thread/397350

 

I have a friend who plays in a regular static group and he often talks about the game. It's funny to see what the haters post here and how wrong they are. They want so much for the game to be failing they'll ignore anything anyone says and embellish any negative story they can find.

I often wonder why people want anything to fail, it makes no sense. Example, I don't like Tera but I don't go to the forum and hope it fails. There are people there that love the game and I'm happy they are happy. I guess it is human nature to hate others that are having more fun than you are. /shrug

Anyway, I played SWToR several months after the game first released and then got side tracked. About 2 months ago I played the f2p model and there seemed to be a large amount of players at the lower levels. Sadly I quit playing again, but not from the lack of population, I just found another game to play. This was about 3 weeks ago, so to answer your question OP, the population at lower levels is very good!

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  OdenBlade

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10/02/13 10:36:45 AM#44
Originally posted by nerovipus32
Originally posted by OdenBlade
Star Wars: The Old Republic should have been Kickstarter project instead.

EA doing a kickstarter, you have to be kidding me?

Well that was before Bioware sold their soul to EA. we have to hope that gaming industry can see the benefits whit kickstarter

As Chris Roberts has done whit Star Citizen that is a living proof  how successfully it can be.

  MadDemon64

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10/02/13 11:26:26 AM#45
Originally posted by maxima29
Originally posted by MadDemon64
Originally posted by maxima29
Originally posted by MadDemon64
Originally posted by gamekid2k
Anyone knows how many active players are currently playing SWToR?  Did f2p caused a big increase?

Going f2p always causes a big increase.  Rift, TERA, Aion, etc.; they all had large population increases due to the f2p conversion.

Of course, not all games did as well as others.  While I do not know how the population sizes/increases of Rift, TERA, and Aion compare to each other, they are still much higher than games like EQ2 or SWTOR due to Rift, TERA, and Aion making it so that people the amount of content free players have is identical to the amount of content people had when the games had subscriptions (or almost the same with maybe one or two small things unavailable), with current subscribers getting extra bonuses, while EQ2 and SWTOR restricting what you can do unless you subscribe (although EQ2 has lightened up a bit, but not so much SWTOR, or has that changed?)

 

I am sorry are you trying to say Rift has a higher population than SWTOR?

To my knowledge yes.

 

Well you knowledge is a little lacking based on facts that are available. Swtor added 2 million players since f2p and Rift added almost 1 million. Unless you have some links to back up your knowledge why post such claims? All you need to do is Google Rift f2p population and you get "roughly 1 mill" same for Swtor you get 2 million.

I think that logic only works if the populations of Rift and SWTOR were equivalent, SWTOR had a higher population, or Rift had a population of less than one million more than SWTOR's population before the f2p conversion.  I take it you have proof that that is the case?

Since when is Tuesday a direction?

  catlana

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10/02/13 11:28:53 AM#46
Originally posted by OdenBlade
Originally posted by nerovipus32
Originally posted by OdenBlade
Star Wars: The Old Republic should have been Kickstarter project instead.

EA doing a kickstarter, you have to be kidding me?

Well that was before Bioware sold their soul to EA. we have to hope that gaming industry can see the benefits whit kickstarter

As Chris Roberts has done whit Star Citizen that is a living proof  how successfully it can be.

Actually, he raised most of his money from his own site. Second, even Chris aknowledges there are differences in scale between his 20 million revenue and games like GTA V (1.2 billion in less than 2 weeks), COD (1.8 billion annually),Diablo 3 (700 million in 6 months pc only), the list goes on and on. Actually, Diablo 3 by itself was more than every single successful kickstarter game combined.

In regards to population of SWToR, patches always bring up population especially this one with unlimited Warzones for pvpers, operations for raiders, and a new quest hub for casuals. PVP queues are really hopping even on the Harbringer (pve server).

  maxima29

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Joined: 9/30/13
Posts: 241

10/02/13 11:36:46 AM#47
Originally posted by MadDemon64
Originally posted by maxima29
Originally posted by MadDemon64
Originally posted by maxima29
Originally posted by MadDemon64
Originally posted by gamekid2k
Anyone knows how many active players are currently playing SWToR?  Did f2p caused a big increase?

Going f2p always causes a big increase.  Rift, TERA, Aion, etc.; they all had large population increases due to the f2p conversion.

Of course, not all games did as well as others.  While I do not know how the population sizes/increases of Rift, TERA, and Aion compare to each other, they are still much higher than games like EQ2 or SWTOR due to Rift, TERA, and Aion making it so that people the amount of content free players have is identical to the amount of content people had when the games had subscriptions (or almost the same with maybe one or two small things unavailable), with current subscribers getting extra bonuses, while EQ2 and SWTOR restricting what you can do unless you subscribe (although EQ2 has lightened up a bit, but not so much SWTOR, or has that changed?)

 

I am sorry are you trying to say Rift has a higher population than SWTOR?

To my knowledge yes.

 

Well you knowledge is a little lacking based on facts that are available. Swtor added 2 million players since f2p and Rift added almost 1 million. Unless you have some links to back up your knowledge why post such claims? All you need to do is Google Rift f2p population and you get "roughly 1 mill" same for Swtor you get 2 million.

I think that logic only works if the populations of Rift and SWTOR were equivalent, SWTOR had a higher population, or Rift had a population of less than one million more than SWTOR's population before the f2p conversion.  I take it you have proof that that is the case?

 

Well its safe to say Rift did not have 1 million players before the switch. If they did they would not have made the switch. So with the facts I bring and the lack of facts you bring still puts swtor over rift. Trion also does not release their numbers so its hard to really say how low their numbers have fallen since f2p.
  Karahandras

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10/02/13 11:54:11 AM#48
Originally posted by gamekid2k
Anyone knows how many active players are currently playing SWToR?  Did f2p caused a big increase?

Like other games that go f2p, the big increase is at the beginning.  According to torstatus.net it's now down to the standard-light area, how many actual players that translates to is anybocies guess.  The last number ea put out was a steady 500k subs, but what they fail to mention was that this was the same time as the expansion and that you got a discount with a sub that made the two roughly the same price so it's probably much more likely that they sold 500k copies of the expansion rather than having 500k actual subscribers.  I guess the most telling thing is that ea are very quiet on this number now, so you know it isn't good.

Edit: there's a good chance the numbers will drop again when eqnge, wildstar etc hit too.

  Karahandras

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10/02/13 11:57:26 AM#49
Originally posted by maxima29
Originally posted by MadDemon64
Originally posted by maxima29
Originally posted by MadDemon64
Originally posted by gamekid2k
Anyone knows how many active players are currently playing SWToR?  Did f2p caused a big increase?

Going f2p always causes a big increase.  Rift, TERA, Aion, etc.; they all had large population increases due to the f2p conversion.

Of course, not all games did as well as others.  While I do not know how the population sizes/increases of Rift, TERA, and Aion compare to each other, they are still much higher than games like EQ2 or SWTOR due to Rift, TERA, and Aion making it so that people the amount of content free players have is identical to the amount of content people had when the games had subscriptions (or almost the same with maybe one or two small things unavailable), with current subscribers getting extra bonuses, while EQ2 and SWTOR restricting what you can do unless you subscribe (although EQ2 has lightened up a bit, but not so much SWTOR, or has that changed?)

 

I am sorry are you trying to say Rift has a higher population than SWTOR?

To my knowledge yes.

 

Well you knowledge is a little lacking based on facts that are available. Swtor added 2 million players since f2p and Rift added almost 1 million. Unless you have some links to back up your knowledge why post such claims? All you need to do is Google Rift f2p population and you get "roughly 1 mill" same for Swtor you get 2 million.

I think both those numbers are registered user, which can be wildly different from actual players

  maxima29

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10/02/13 12:01:41 PM#50
Originally posted by Karahandras
Originally posted by gamekid2k
Anyone knows how many active players are currently playing SWToR?  Did f2p caused a big increase?

Like other games that go f2p, the big increase is at the beginning.  According to torstatus.net it's now down to the standard-light area, how many actual players that translates to is anybocies guess.  The last number ea put out was a steady 500k subs, but what they fail to mention was that this was the same time as the expansion and that you got a discount with a sub that made the two roughly the same price so it's probably much more likely that they sold 500k copies of the expansion rather than having 500k actual subscribers.  I guess the most telling thing is that ea are very quiet on this number now, so you know it isn't good.

Edit: there's a good chance the numbers will drop again when eqnge, wildstar etc hit too.

 

You forgot to mention the 1.7 million f2p accounts going f2p created. These players should also be included into the population and your assumption of its current population.
  maxima29

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10/02/13 12:04:44 PM#51
Originally posted by Karahandras
Originally posted by maxima29
Originally posted by MadDemon64
Originally posted by maxima29
Originally posted by MadDemon64
Originally posted by gamekid2k
Anyone knows how many active players are currently playing SWToR?  Did f2p caused a big increase?

Going f2p always causes a big increase.  Rift, TERA, Aion, etc.; they all had large population increases due to the f2p conversion.

Of course, not all games did as well as others.  While I do not know how the population sizes/increases of Rift, TERA, and Aion compare to each other, they are still much higher than games like EQ2 or SWTOR due to Rift, TERA, and Aion making it so that people the amount of content free players have is identical to the amount of content people had when the games had subscriptions (or almost the same with maybe one or two small things unavailable), with current subscribers getting extra bonuses, while EQ2 and SWTOR restricting what you can do unless you subscribe (although EQ2 has lightened up a bit, but not so much SWTOR, or has that changed?)

 

I am sorry are you trying to say Rift has a higher population than SWTOR?

To my knowledge yes.

 

Well you knowledge is a little lacking based on facts that are available. Swtor added 2 million players since f2p and Rift added almost 1 million. Unless you have some links to back up your knowledge why post such claims? All you need to do is Google Rift f2p population and you get "roughly 1 mill" same for Swtor you get 2 million.

I think both those numbers are registered user, which can be wildly different from actual players

 

I agree but he made the claim I provided the facts that are available that would lean toward swtor > rift in population.
  superniceguy

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NGE, LOTRO, STO, KOTOR, Lego Star Wars > NGE 2 (SWTOR). SWG>ALL. Above hopefully subject to change.

10/02/13 12:40:30 PM#52

This thread shows that there was a 10% growth when compared to the same period last year (around July)

Considering that period last year it was P2P, and the player base was nose diving, hence why it had to go F2P, 10% more today over last year = not good. If it was 10% more than the previous month or at launch of F2P then 10% more today would be pretty awesome.

Obviously if the overall population is awesome, then people are not spending enough. Loads of people playing and not paying is not going to keep the game around. Those who like the game need to pay more!

  superniceguy

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NGE, LOTRO, STO, KOTOR, Lego Star Wars > NGE 2 (SWTOR). SWG>ALL. Above hopefully subject to change.

10/02/13 12:44:39 PM#53
Originally posted by PWN_FACE

 

 

However, I will say that as long as they are coming out with new content that they must be making enough money to justify doing it. Since they just came out with a new patch, I guess they are not going bankrupt just yet. 

 

 

That is if the content was written after the game launched. A lot of stuff that has been put in was written and already paid for before the game launched, including Makeb, and the not yet released Super Secret Space Project. All content is just being held back to prolong things and make it seem new content in still coming.

  Karteli

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10/02/13 1:16:04 PM#54
Originally posted by maxima29
Originally posted by Karahandras
Originally posted by gamekid2k
Anyone knows how many active players are currently playing SWToR?  Did f2p caused a big increase?

Like other games that go f2p, the big increase is at the beginning.  According to torstatus.net it's now down to the standard-light area, how many actual players that translates to is anybocies guess.  The last number ea put out was a steady 500k subs, but what they fail to mention was that this was the same time as the expansion and that you got a discount with a sub that made the two roughly the same price so it's probably much more likely that they sold 500k copies of the expansion rather than having 500k actual subscribers.  I guess the most telling thing is that ea are very quiet on this number now, so you know it isn't good.

Edit: there's a good chance the numbers will drop again when eqnge, wildstar etc hit too.

 

You forgot to mention the 1.7 million f2p accounts going f2p created. These players should also be included into the population and your assumption of its current population.

 

It's not a 1:1 ratio when comparing new players to new accounts though.  You keep interchanging the 2, even after you acknowledge that new account =/= new player.  I suppose it suits your ambitions though, whether on this blog avatar or a different one.

 

Many people like myself, who already had a SWTOR account, created a new one "just to see" how bad the F2P really was.  Perhaps you did the same?  I mean it surely helps to discuss the game if someone in the know has played both methods, right?

 

How many existing customers tried the F2P system?  Exactly, that is why you can't use new free accounts and new players interchangeably, as you elude to, when you indicate that the 1.7M accounts should be included into the population.

 

 

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10/02/13 1:30:15 PM#55
Originally posted by superniceguy
Originally posted by PWN_FACE

 

 

However, I will say that as long as they are coming out with new content that they must be making enough money to justify doing it. Since they just came out with a new patch, I guess they are not going bankrupt just yet. 

 

 

That is if the content was written after the game launched. A lot of stuff that has been put in was written and already paid for before the game launched, including Makeb, and the not yet released Super Secret Space Project. All content is just being held back to prolong things and make it seem new content in still coming.

You keep harping on about how things were started or even finished long ago on SWTOR. they may have been started but they sure as hell were not anywhere close to been finished. Makeb yes started but put on hold and changed lots before release , SSSP one guy started it in his spare time , that's it. The new FP's , OP's WZ's of recent times and content like Oricon and CZ-198 are new! Loosing all that staff last year took it's toll on the updates for the game , which has now been rectified completely , new huge content every 2 months is good in my book.

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  maxima29

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10/02/13 1:46:53 PM#56
Originally posted by Karteli
Originally posted by maxima29
Originally posted by Karahandras
Originally posted by gamekid2k
Anyone knows how many active players are currently playing SWToR?  Did f2p caused a big increase?

Like other games that go f2p, the big increase is at the beginning.  According to torstatus.net it's now down to the standard-light area, how many actual players that translates to is anybocies guess.  The last number ea put out was a steady 500k subs, but what they fail to mention was that this was the same time as the expansion and that you got a discount with a sub that made the two roughly the same price so it's probably much more likely that they sold 500k copies of the expansion rather than having 500k actual subscribers.  I guess the most telling thing is that ea are very quiet on this number now, so you know it isn't good.

Edit: there's a good chance the numbers will drop again when eqnge, wildstar etc hit too.

 

You forgot to mention the 1.7 million f2p accounts going f2p created. These players should also be included into the population and your assumption of its current population.

 

It's not a 1:1 ratio when comparing new players to new accounts though.  You keep interchanging the 2, even after you acknowledge that new account =/= new player.  I suppose it suits your ambitions though, whether on this blog avatar or a different one.

 

Many people like myself, who already had a SWTOR account, created a new one "just to see" how bad the F2P really was.  Perhaps you did the same?  I mean it surely helps to discuss the game if someone in the know has played both methods, right?

 

How many existing customers tried the F2P system?  Exactly, that is why you can't use new free accounts and new players interchangeably, as you elude to, when you indicate that the 1.7M accounts should be included into the population.

 

 

 

Well it took you and SWG guy long enough to get here. We have swg never ending "its old content" and now you not reading the context of what that comment was about. Someone mentioned Rift having more players I gave e him a bump to Google to show him all the info out there current subs/f2p accounts show swtor ahead. Yes I understand f2p are not 1:1. But if one game has 2 million and the other has almost a million its a safe bet which one would have a higher population.
  maxima29

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10/02/13 1:52:13 PM#57
Originally posted by superniceguy
Originally posted by PWN_FACE

 

 

However, I will say that as long as they are coming out with new content that they must be making enough money to justify doing it. Since they just came out with a new patch, I guess they are not going bankrupt just yet. 

 

 

That is if the content was written after the game launched. A lot of stuff that has been put in was written and already paid for before the game launched, including Makeb, and the not yet released Super Secret Space Project. All content is just being held back to prolong things and make it seem new content in still coming.

 

Can you please provide a link a source to you knowing what they have just sitting and waiting to be released. All this content has been done completed and just collecting dust hmm? You have ran out of things to bash your only arguenent ever has been its old content its old content.. well your post are old content that you have saved in word that you copy/paste. There is proof of that but yet you have no proof that this last update is old content, bounty hunter missions were old content S&v old content, etc etc.
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10/02/13 1:58:34 PM#58
Originally posted by JudgeUK
Originally posted by skyline385
Originally posted by yangdude
What's free in this game - isn't almost the whole game inaccessible for the f2p - or an I thinking of LOTRO?

You will not have certain conviniences but you can play the entire game free of cost.

I have returned to check out the ftp model. Also playing a couple of other ftp mmo's predominately Rift and Tera.

Swtor's model seems to be a vehicle purely aimed at getting the player to subscribe. The other two, whilst still giving benefits to subscribers, are more standalone ftp models targeted toward cash shop bonus items.

My thoughts are that a good ftp model should be able to operate as an attractive standalone offering, with the cash shop offering a wide variety of commercially attractive bonuses. In this I'd say Rift in particular has got it about right.

However, a ftp model that appears to be set up with more penalties than benefits can do more harm than good.

Why? Because it gives the impression that the ftp player is someone they didn't really want to accommodate, but circumstances have forced their hand.

You can say that this is the case for other games, and you may be right - But, these other games come across as fully accepting the change, welcoming it as an opportunity to re-invigorate their games.

I do not get this feeling with Swtor - in more or less every action, from character creation onward, there are paragraphs telling you that you are penalized, with subscription as the resolution to these penalties.

I feel that a ftp model more aligned with Rift would actually benefit swtor. But whether the developers can change their mindset to truly welcome ftp players - who are going to stay that way - I don't know.

EA will NEVER understand this logic.

  Karteli

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10/02/13 2:03:30 PM#59
Originally posted by maxima29
Originally posted by Karteli
Originally posted by maxima29
Originally posted by Karahandras
Originally posted by gamekid2k
Anyone knows how many active players are currently playing SWToR?  Did f2p caused a big increase?

Like other games that go f2p, the big increase is at the beginning.  According to torstatus.net it's now down to the standard-light area, how many actual players that translates to is anybocies guess.  The last number ea put out was a steady 500k subs, but what they fail to mention was that this was the same time as the expansion and that you got a discount with a sub that made the two roughly the same price so it's probably much more likely that they sold 500k copies of the expansion rather than having 500k actual subscribers.  I guess the most telling thing is that ea are very quiet on this number now, so you know it isn't good.

Edit: there's a good chance the numbers will drop again when eqnge, wildstar etc hit too.

 

You forgot to mention the 1.7 million f2p accounts going f2p created. These players should also be included into the population and your assumption of its current population.

 

It's not a 1:1 ratio when comparing new players to new accounts though.  You keep interchanging the 2, even after you acknowledge that new account =/= new player.  I suppose it suits your ambitions though, whether on this blog avatar or a different one.

 

Many people like myself, who already had a SWTOR account, created a new one "just to see" how bad the F2P really was.  Perhaps you did the same?  I mean it surely helps to discuss the game if someone in the know has played both methods, right?

 

How many existing customers tried the F2P system?  Exactly, that is why you can't use new free accounts and new players interchangeably, as you elude to, when you indicate that the 1.7M accounts should be included into the population.

 

 

 

Well it took you and SWG guy long enough to get here. We have swg never ending "its old content" and now you not reading the context of what that comment was about. Someone mentioned Rift having more players I gave e him a bump to Google to show him all the info out there current subs/f2p accounts show swtor ahead. Yes I understand f2p are not 1:1. But if one game has 2 million and the other has almost a million its a safe bet which one would have a higher population.

 

Not really any safe bets here.

 

Each class has a unique story in SWTOR, so freemiums would create multiple accounts to get all 8 story arcs, if they wanted to go that route?  Also SWTOR had a free trial promotion, giving the story away, which is a great luxury to those who just want a solo player casual game experience.  Essentially, a Must-have for KotOR fans.

 

And it's a 1.7M comparison, not 2M.  2 million was stated outside of EA's official investor call, as a round-off "convenience", as EA likes to do when in their favor.  1.7M was from the investor call.

 

But in any event, this is just petty bickering.  When SWTOR went freemium there was an unmistakeable uptick in population, which has mostly dried up now.  There is 1 very good server still, 2 good's, and the rest in the mostly unpopulated category.  I'd opt for free server transfers like GW2!

 

There is some content upgrades, 2.4 looks good, but still has a crapload of cash-shop stuff, albeit not as bad as some previous patches.  Animal mounts are a big deal though, so ... bleech to the CS!

 

Each content upgrade gets a population boost, but as with roller coaster rides, every "hump" after the first drop climbs noticeably less high from previous climbs, until finally the ride is over.  Saying the population is fine though across the board is worthy of a chuckle - it just depends on which of the 17 servers you play on.

 

edit: As to the overall total population .. anyones guess, but less than 500k when servers were reaching very heavy & full .. now they just reach standard & heavy (for a few) during peak  .. so .. half of 500k? .. 250k total including subs and freemiums?  It may not matter much for financials, since the cash-shop double-dips and brings in extra money.

 

For subscription games, that's #3 or less, with WoW #1 (7M), and EVE #2 (550k).

 

Want a nice understanding of life? Try Spirit Science: "The Human History"
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10/02/13 2:14:25 PM#60
Originally posted by maxima29
Originally posted by superniceguy
Originally posted by PWN_FACE

 

 

However, I will say that as long as they are coming out with new content that they must be making enough money to justify doing it. Since they just came out with a new patch, I guess they are not going bankrupt just yet. 

 

 

That is if the content was written after the game launched. A lot of stuff that has been put in was written and already paid for before the game launched, including Makeb, and the not yet released Super Secret Space Project. All content is just being held back to prolong things and make it seem new content in still coming.

 

Can you please provide a link a source to you knowing what they have just sitting and waiting to be released. All this content has been done completed and just collecting dust hmm? You have ran out of things to bash your only arguenent ever has been its old content its old content.. well your post are old content that you have saved in word that you copy/paste. There is proof of that but yet you have no proof that this last update is old content, bounty hunter missions were old content S&v old content, etc etc.

I was hoping someone would post a link to an article saying that it was recently created / after launch, proving me wrong, but no, just another "copy/paste" rebuttable.

They said that Makeb was done before launch, and before launch they said that multiplayer or PVP space would not be there for launch, implying it would come after launch, and were on about the SSSP.

EA/BW were quite candid about talking about when and how the content was created, but because they are no longer so candid, then one assumes that content was also done before launch. Unless there is an article out there saying content was written after launch and paid with using subscribers / F2P revenue, then I stand my OPINION. It is only opinion, and not fact, and there is no proof because it is only my opinion / view point. But can you prove me opinion wrong?

 

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