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  DavisFlight

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10/10/13 1:12:05 PM#61
Originally posted by Eol-
Originally posted by DavisFlight
Originally posted by Oph8
Your a funny guy. Scrambling, no one is scrambling over at Zenimax. 

That's why the game has gone through so many radical revisions in such a short time? That's why it keeps getting blasted in the press? Because no one is scrambling?

what radical revisions?? And most of the press I have seen has been good. You are just making stuff up to fit your agenda.

Almost all the initial articles about TESO were about how boring people found it, nothing new.

 

It went from being a WoW clone, to being marketed as a hardcore successor to DAoC, to being marketed as a WoW/GW2 clone, to being marketed as a Skyrim with COOP, to now being marketed as an RvR game.

You don't market something unless that's the focus of your game, which says that, based upon the lukewarm public reception, they scrambled to alter the game over and over.

People thought it was too much like WoW? They stopped mentioning WoW. Thought it didn't look enough like ES? They slapped a Skyrim UI on it, added in books and first person view.

  Iselin

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10/10/13 7:51:32 PM#62
Originally posted by DavisFlight
Originally posted by Eol-
Originally posted by DavisFlight
Originally posted by Oph8
Your a funny guy. Scrambling, no one is scrambling over at Zenimax. 

That's why the game has gone through so many radical revisions in such a short time? That's why it keeps getting blasted in the press? Because no one is scrambling?

what radical revisions?? And most of the press I have seen has been good. You are just making stuff up to fit your agenda.

Almost all the initial articles about TESO were about how boring people found it, nothing new.

 

It went from being a WoW clone, to being marketed as a hardcore successor to DAoC, to being marketed as a WoW/GW2 clone, to being marketed as a Skyrim with COOP, to now being marketed as an RvR game.

You don't market something unless that's the focus of your game, which says that, based upon the lukewarm public reception, they scrambled to alter the game over and over.

People thought it was too much like WoW? They stopped mentioning WoW. Thought it didn't look enough like ES? They slapped a Skyrim UI on it, added in books and first person view.

You must have seen a whole lot of articles no one else saw... but coming from you, that's par for the course: extreme exaggerations without substance that border on batshit crazy territory.

 

How's that "removal of essential RVR components" forced by evil-doing publishers and the elimination of public dungeons going for you today?

 

  Oph8

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Joined: 5/24/03
Posts: 176

10/15/13 9:29:32 AM#63
Again, your a funny dude. No one is Scrambling at Zenimax. The Dev's are working hard to get things done. I am interested in your radical revisions. Please share.

"Everything is mine and your woman too"

  Oph8

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Joined: 5/24/03
Posts: 176

10/15/13 9:47:43 AM#64
Who is they? Zenimax? Do you know how silly you sound? Zenimax must be over spending on marketing since they keep changing how they should market EOS.

"Everything is mine and your woman too"

  Eol-

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Joined: 6/22/06
Posts: 274

10/15/13 5:52:41 PM#65
Originally posted by DavisFlight
Originally posted by Eol-
Originally posted by DavisFlight
Originally posted by Oph8
Your a funny guy. Scrambling, no one is scrambling over at Zenimax. 

That's why the game has gone through so many radical revisions in such a short time? That's why it keeps getting blasted in the press? Because no one is scrambling?

what radical revisions?? And most of the press I have seen has been good. You are just making stuff up to fit your agenda.

Almost all the initial articles about TESO were about how boring people found it, nothing new.

 

It went from being a WoW clone, to being marketed as a hardcore successor to DAoC, to being marketed as a WoW/GW2 clone, to being marketed as a Skyrim with COOP, to now being marketed as an RvR game.

You don't market something unless that's the focus of your game, which says that, based upon the lukewarm public reception, they scrambled to alter the game over and over.

People thought it was too much like WoW? They stopped mentioning WoW. Thought it didn't look enough like ES? They slapped a Skyrim UI on it, added in books and first person view.

I have no idea what you are talking about. They have not done a lot of marketing, much less changed the marketing like you suggest. You are taking a little bit of public information and distorting it to mean anything you want it to mean. BTW, feel free to prove me wrong by linking some of these massive marketing campaigns the rest of us seem to have missed.

Elladan - ESO (AD)
Camring - SWTOR (Ebon Hawk)
Eol & Justinian - Rift (Faeblight)
Ceol and Duri - LotRO (Landroval)
Kili - WoW
Eol - Lineage 2
Camring - SWG
Justinian (Nimue), Camring - DAoC

  keithian

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Joined: 5/20/06
Posts: 2978

10/15/13 6:29:59 PM#66
Originally posted by DavisFlight
Originally posted by Eol-
Originally posted by DavisFlight
Originally posted by Oph8
Your a funny guy. Scrambling, no one is scrambling over at Zenimax. 

That's why the game has gone through so many radical revisions in such a short time? That's why it keeps getting blasted in the press? Because no one is scrambling?

what radical revisions?? And most of the press I have seen has been good. You are just making stuff up to fit your agenda.

Almost all the initial articles about TESO were about how boring people found it, nothing new.

 

It went from being a WoW clone, to being marketed as a hardcore successor to DAoC, to being marketed as a WoW/GW2 clone, to being marketed as a Skyrim with COOP, to now being marketed as an RvR game.

You don't market something unless that's the focus of your game, which says that, based upon the lukewarm public reception, they scrambled to alter the game over and over.

People thought it was too much like WoW? They stopped mentioning WoW. Thought it didn't look enough like ES? They slapped a Skyrim UI on it, added in books and first person view.

lol @ lukewarm public reception. You must be referring again to Darkfall or something. Certainly not this game based on feedback out of PAX or Gamescom. Shall I provide you again with links to the threads making just about everything you wrote a bunch of BS, or better yet, for once for you to provide something that supports your unsubstantiated and nonsensical post.

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  Comaf

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Joined: 7/13/10
Posts: 1135

I want an mmorpg where pvp matters, my enemies are not my race or class, and community matters.

10/15/13 6:32:28 PM#67
Originally posted by DavisFlight
Originally posted by Lonzo
So quiet.... I think this is a bad sign. I bet my .... that they bet on the wrong horse and are now in panic and try to fix the game and push it more to the more oldschool direction. Now that every company can see that F2P and casual gaming is not the key to success.

They've been in full panic mode from the start. Nobody was even remotely enthusiastic about the initial reveal. Did you notice how almost every press release and article has been defensive, trying to make a case for the game?

And no, the features have been creeping more and more to a heavily instanced Skyrim but worse style game.

If they had kept it oldschool, DAoC style, which was the original vision before publishers shat all over it and got them to remove necessary RvR features and remove public dungeons and add instancing and phasing.... it might actually be worth playing.

I wasn't aware of that.  Depressing to say the least.

  SEANMCAD

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Joined: 3/22/09
Posts: 5327

10/15/13 7:01:30 PM#68

Some of these responses are stunning. In fact, so unbelievable it makes me wonder if people are not just being paid to be fandoms about this.

 

The very fact that they changed the game from 3rd person to 1st person should be a massive clue to everyone that they are listening to EOS fans and they are responding and they do know if they don't its going to cost them the bottom line.

They didn't set out to make one of the only 1st view MMOs out there because they were just bored and had more time to kill

 

What I find insulting is that they (much like Microsoft) just don't say 'oh we messed up we are sorry we will try to fix it'

Correlation does not imply causation

  keithian

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Joined: 5/20/06
Posts: 2978

10/15/13 7:22:19 PM#69
Originally posted by SEANMCAD

Some of these responses are stunning. In fact, so unbelievable it makes me wonder if people are not just being paid to be fandoms about this.

 

The very fact that they changed the game from 3rd person to 1st person should be a massive clue to everyone that they are listening to EOS fans and they are responding and they do know if they don't its going to cost them the bottom line.

They didn't set out to make one of the only 1st view MMOs out there because they were just bored and had more time to kill

 

What I find insulting is that they (much like Microsoft) just don't say 'oh we messed up we are sorry we will try to fix it'

It isn't a First Person Only, its first and 3rd person giving people options...but you probably meant 3rd person and 1st person, not "to" 1st person. Second, I did see an interview somewhere where they did admit it was wrong not to do it, can't recall the source though. I guess you were looking for them to say "I want to be spanked"? lol. Regardless, I agree with everything else you wrote and the fact that they are listening is very evident to me based on everything I have read (including the unofficial places :-)). 

There Is Always Hope!

  Iselin

The Listener

Joined: 3/04/08
Posts: 3818

10/15/13 7:26:13 PM#70
Originally posted by SEANMCAD

Some of these responses are stunning. In fact, so unbelievable it makes me wonder if people are not just being paid to be fandoms about this.

 

The very fact that they changed the game from 3rd person to 1st person should be a massive clue to everyone that they are listening to EOS fans and they are responding and they do know if they don't its going to cost them the bottom line.

They didn't set out to make one of the only 1st view MMOs out there because they were just bored and had more time to kill

 

What I find insulting is that they (much like Microsoft) just don't say 'oh we messed up we are sorry we will try to fix it'

It has both 3rd and 1st person views - just like almost all other MMOs.

There's a lot of incorrect information here but hey, don't let that stop you from ranting about nothing lol.

I swear to god every time I come to this forum I can feel my brain cells dying and my IQ being reduced.

  SEANMCAD

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Joined: 3/22/09
Posts: 5327

10/15/13 7:34:04 PM#71
Originally posted by Iselin
Originally posted by SEANMCAD

Some of these responses are stunning. In fact, so unbelievable it makes me wonder if people are not just being paid to be fandoms about this.

 

The very fact that they changed the game from 3rd person to 1st person should be a massive clue to everyone that they are listening to EOS fans and they are responding and they do know if they don't its going to cost them the bottom line.

They didn't set out to make one of the only 1st view MMOs out there because they were just bored and had more time to kill

 

What I find insulting is that they (much like Microsoft) just don't say 'oh we messed up we are sorry we will try to fix it'

It has both 3rd and 1st person views - just like almost all other MMOs.

There's a lot of incorrect information here but hey, don't let that stop you from ranting about nothing lol.

I swear to god every time I come to this forum I can feel my brain cells dying and my IQ being reduced.

no it hasn't.

It started as 3rd person view only.

and I might add although they are both in game I find it curious that all the new demos are done in 1st view, not 3rd.

 

Correlation does not imply causation

  Iselin

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Joined: 3/04/08
Posts: 3818

10/15/13 7:36:25 PM#72
Originally posted by SEANMCAD
Originally posted by Iselin
Originally posted by SEANMCAD

Some of these responses are stunning. In fact, so unbelievable it makes me wonder if people are not just being paid to be fandoms about this.

 

The very fact that they changed the game from 3rd person to 1st person should be a massive clue to everyone that they are listening to EOS fans and they are responding and they do know if they don't its going to cost them the bottom line.

They didn't set out to make one of the only 1st view MMOs out there because they were just bored and had more time to kill

 

What I find insulting is that they (much like Microsoft) just don't say 'oh we messed up we are sorry we will try to fix it'

It has both 3rd and 1st person views - just like almost all other MMOs.

There's a lot of incorrect information here but hey, don't let that stop you from ranting about nothing lol.

I swear to god every time I come to this forum I can feel my brain cells dying and my IQ being reduced.

no it hasn't.

It started as 3rd person view only.

and I might add although they are both in game I find it curious that all the new demos are done in 1st view, not 3rd.

 

Dude...it always had 1st and 3rd. All they did was enhanced the 1st person view by adding hands, weapon, shield etc to make that view more like the ES games. 

Sheesh.

  SEANMCAD

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Joined: 3/22/09
Posts: 5327

10/15/13 7:37:57 PM#73
Originally posted by keithian
Originally posted by SEANMCAD

Some of these responses are stunning. In fact, so unbelievable it makes me wonder if people are not just being paid to be fandoms about this.

 

The very fact that they changed the game from 3rd person to 1st person should be a massive clue to everyone that they are listening to EOS fans and they are responding and they do know if they don't its going to cost them the bottom line.

They didn't set out to make one of the only 1st view MMOs out there because they were just bored and had more time to kill

 

What I find insulting is that they (much like Microsoft) just don't say 'oh we messed up we are sorry we will try to fix it'

It isn't a First Person Only, its first and 3rd person giving people options...but you probably meant 3rd person and 1st person, not "to" 1st person. Second, I did see an interview somewhere where they did admit it was wrong not to do it, can't recall the source though. I guess you were looking for them to say "I want to be spanked"? lol. Regardless, I agree with everything else you wrote and the fact that they are listening is very evident to me based on everything I have read (including the unofficial places :-)). 

some are not aware that when the game was first announced it was 3rd person only. I haven't followed in a long time but I do recall Zenimax telling many gamers what they didn't want 'gamers don't want...' and even 'its not possible' kind of like how Microsoft said its not possible to reverse the DRM architecture and not but a week later it was removed.

I assumed it was 3rd and 1st person now, sorry I wasn't clear.

Having said that, I find it curious how all the new demos I have seen are done in 1st person despite the fact that many seem to think 1st view is a minority opinion.

Correlation does not imply causation

  SEANMCAD

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Joined: 3/22/09
Posts: 5327

10/15/13 7:40:11 PM#74
Originally posted by Iselin
Originally posted by SEANMCAD
Originally posted by Iselin
Originally posted by SEANMCAD

Some of these responses are stunning. In fact, so unbelievable it makes me wonder if people are not just being paid to be fandoms about this.

 

The very fact that they changed the game from 3rd person to 1st person should be a massive clue to everyone that they are listening to EOS fans and they are responding and they do know if they don't its going to cost them the bottom line.

They didn't set out to make one of the only 1st view MMOs out there because they were just bored and had more time to kill

 

What I find insulting is that they (much like Microsoft) just don't say 'oh we messed up we are sorry we will try to fix it'

It has both 3rd and 1st person views - just like almost all other MMOs.

There's a lot of incorrect information here but hey, don't let that stop you from ranting about nothing lol.

I swear to god every time I come to this forum I can feel my brain cells dying and my IQ being reduced.

no it hasn't.

It started as 3rd person view only.

and I might add although they are both in game I find it curious that all the new demos are done in 1st view, not 3rd.

 

Dude...it always had 1st and 3rd. All they did was enhanced the 1st person view by adding hands, weapon, shield etc to make that view more like the ES games. 

Sheesh.

no it did not.

I am sorry but you are wrong. when it was first announced  it did NOT have a 1st view option.

I hope you are not trying to simply hair split by saying 'yeah but it wasn't OUT then' because that is going to be really lame

 

ADDED: to be clear what I meant was when the game was announced not when it was released.

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  Iselin

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10/15/13 8:13:55 PM#75
Originally posted by SEANMCAD
Originally posted by Iselin
Originally posted by SEANMCAD
Originally posted by Iselin
Originally posted by SEANMCAD

Some of these responses are stunning. In fact, so unbelievable it makes me wonder if people are not just being paid to be fandoms about this.

 

The very fact that they changed the game from 3rd person to 1st person should be a massive clue to everyone that they are listening to EOS fans and they are responding and they do know if they don't its going to cost them the bottom line.

They didn't set out to make one of the only 1st view MMOs out there because they were just bored and had more time to kill

 

What I find insulting is that they (much like Microsoft) just don't say 'oh we messed up we are sorry we will try to fix it'

It has both 3rd and 1st person views - just like almost all other MMOs.

There's a lot of incorrect information here but hey, don't let that stop you from ranting about nothing lol.

I swear to god every time I come to this forum I can feel my brain cells dying and my IQ being reduced.

no it hasn't.

It started as 3rd person view only.

and I might add although they are both in game I find it curious that all the new demos are done in 1st view, not 3rd.

 

Dude...it always had 1st and 3rd. All they did was enhanced the 1st person view by adding hands, weapon, shield etc to make that view more like the ES games. 

Sheesh.

no it did not.

I am sorry but you are wrong. when it was first announced  it did NOT have a 1st view option.

I hope you are not trying to simply hair split by saying 'yeah but it wasn't OUT then' because that is going to be really lame

 

ADDED: to be clear what I meant was when the game was announced not when it was released.

No you're wrong. Like I said, they  added hands, weapons etc.

Before that it had the same type of 1st person view you see in WOW, Rift and most other MMOs: You scroll in all the way and 3rd person becomes 1st.

 

" Getting handsy

When I wrote about Elder Scrolls Online back in January, I was told that the game supported first-person, but players would not be able to see their character's hands or weapons. "

http://www.penny-arcade.com/report/article/we-didnt-see-elder-scrolls-onlines-first-person-mode-until-last-week-heres

 

  SEANMCAD

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Posts: 5327

10/15/13 8:21:51 PM#76
Originally posted by Iselin
Originally posted by SEANMCAD
Originally posted by Iselin
Originally posted by SEANMCAD
Originally posted by Iselin
Originally posted by SEANMCAD

Some of these responses are stunning. In fact, so unbelievable it makes me wonder if people are not just being paid to be fandoms about this.

 

The very fact that they changed the game from 3rd person to 1st person should be a massive clue to everyone that they are listening to EOS fans and they are responding and they do know if they don't its going to cost them the bottom line.

They didn't set out to make one of the only 1st view MMOs out there because they were just bored and had more time to kill

 

What I find insulting is that they (much like Microsoft) just don't say 'oh we messed up we are sorry we will try to fix it'

It has both 3rd and 1st person views - just like almost all other MMOs.

There's a lot of incorrect information here but hey, don't let that stop you from ranting about nothing lol.

I swear to god every time I come to this forum I can feel my brain cells dying and my IQ being reduced.

no it hasn't.

It started as 3rd person view only.

and I might add although they are both in game I find it curious that all the new demos are done in 1st view, not 3rd.

 

Dude...it always had 1st and 3rd. All they did was enhanced the 1st person view by adding hands, weapon, shield etc to make that view more like the ES games. 

Sheesh.

no it did not.

I am sorry but you are wrong. when it was first announced  it did NOT have a 1st view option.

I hope you are not trying to simply hair split by saying 'yeah but it wasn't OUT then' because that is going to be really lame

 

ADDED: to be clear what I meant was when the game was announced not when it was released.

No you're wrong. Like I said, they  added hands, weapons etc.

Before that it had the same type of 1st person view you see in WOW, Rift and most other MMOs: You scroll in all the way and 3rd person becomes 1st.

 

" Getting handsy

When I wrote about Elder Scrolls Online back in January, I was told that the game supported first-person, but players would not be able to see their character's hands or weapons. "

http://www.penny-arcade.com/report/article/we-didnt-see-elder-scrolls-onlines-first-person-mode-until-last-week-heres

 

I just did a text search on 'first' on that article you just posted and I got to say. Yet again we are being a bit disingenuous aren't we?

 

The bottom line here is that to suggest they haven't been making an about face from their original is to be delusional.

With that said, if it makes you feel any better I will say I was mistaken however, I still don't think its the 'first person view' most people who talk about the subject are referring to. Even more so if 'WoW can do it'.

 

So it would be nice if we could all just stick to the sprit of what is being talked about not try to turn it into a strawman because when the day is done reality is still reality

Correlation does not imply causation

  Iselin

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Posts: 3818

10/15/13 8:35:43 PM#77
Originally posted by SEANMCAD
Originally posted by Iselin
Originally posted by SEANMCAD
Originally posted by Iselin
Originally posted by SEANMCAD
Originally posted by Iselin
Originally posted by SEANMCAD

Some of these responses are stunning. In fact, so unbelievable it makes me wonder if people are not just being paid to be fandoms about this.

 

The very fact that they changed the game from 3rd person to 1st person should be a massive clue to everyone that they are listening to EOS fans and they are responding and they do know if they don't its going to cost them the bottom line.

They didn't set out to make one of the only 1st view MMOs out there because they were just bored and had more time to kill

 

What I find insulting is that they (much like Microsoft) just don't say 'oh we messed up we are sorry we will try to fix it'

It has both 3rd and 1st person views - just like almost all other MMOs.

There's a lot of incorrect information here but hey, don't let that stop you from ranting about nothing lol.

I swear to god every time I come to this forum I can feel my brain cells dying and my IQ being reduced.

no it hasn't.

It started as 3rd person view only.

and I might add although they are both in game I find it curious that all the new demos are done in 1st view, not 3rd.

 

Dude...it always had 1st and 3rd. All they did was enhanced the 1st person view by adding hands, weapon, shield etc to make that view more like the ES games. 

Sheesh.

no it did not.

I am sorry but you are wrong. when it was first announced  it did NOT have a 1st view option.

I hope you are not trying to simply hair split by saying 'yeah but it wasn't OUT then' because that is going to be really lame

 

ADDED: to be clear what I meant was when the game was announced not when it was released.

No you're wrong. Like I said, they  added hands, weapons etc.

Before that it had the same type of 1st person view you see in WOW, Rift and most other MMOs: You scroll in all the way and 3rd person becomes 1st.

 

" Getting handsy

When I wrote about Elder Scrolls Online back in January, I was told that the game supported first-person, but players would not be able to see their character's hands or weapons. "

http://www.penny-arcade.com/report/article/we-didnt-see-elder-scrolls-onlines-first-person-mode-until-last-week-heres

 

I just did a text search on 'first' on that article you just posted and I got to say. Yet again we are being a bit disingenuous aren't we?

 

The bottom line here is that to suggest they haven't been making an about face from their original is to be delusional.

With that said, if it makes you feel any better I will say I was mistaken however, I still don't think its the 'first person view' most people who talk about the subject are referring to. Even more so if 'WoW can do it'.

 

So it would be nice if we could all just stick to the sprit of what is being talked about not try to turn it into a strawman because when the day is done reality is still reality

Disingenuous? How so? You're obviously one of those people who can't admit they're wrong. If you want to you can search for the old 1st person view in videos but I neither have the time or inclination.

Fact: the game was designed around 3rd person just like all MMOs

Fact: as such they had the same token 1st person view which is available in all 3rd person MMOs

Fact: many fans wanted to see a better 1st person view like in single player ES games with hands, weapons, etc.

Fact: they added that 

 

That's all there is to it.

All this other drama about this being (either  good or bad)  massive change in direction, etc. is just overblown hyperbole.

And which part of my original response to you "It has both 3rd and 1st person views - just like almost all other MMOs." did you not understand? It does. Always did.

 

And most MMOers will play it in 3rd person view simply because it's a better view for group game play - especially PVP.

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10/15/13 8:39:25 PM#78
Originally posted by Iselin
Originally posted by SEANMCAD
Originally posted by Iselin
Originally posted by SEANMCAD
Originally posted by Iselin
Originally posted by SEANMCAD
Originally posted by Iselin
Originally posted by SEANMCAD

Some of these responses are stunning. In fact, so unbelievable it makes me wonder if people are not just being paid to be fandoms about this.

 

The very fact that they changed the game from 3rd person to 1st person should be a massive clue to everyone that they are listening to EOS fans and they are responding and they do know if they don't its going to cost them the bottom line.

They didn't set out to make one of the only 1st view MMOs out there because they were just bored and had more time to kill

 

What I find insulting is that they (much like Microsoft) just don't say 'oh we messed up we are sorry we will try to fix it'

It has both 3rd and 1st person views - just like almost all other MMOs.

There's a lot of incorrect information here but hey, don't let that stop you from ranting about nothing lol.

I swear to god every time I come to this forum I can feel my brain cells dying and my IQ being reduced.

no it hasn't.

It started as 3rd person view only.

and I might add although they are both in game I find it curious that all the new demos are done in 1st view, not 3rd.

 

Dude...it always had 1st and 3rd. All they did was enhanced the 1st person view by adding hands, weapon, shield etc to make that view more like the ES games. 

Sheesh.

no it did not.

I am sorry but you are wrong. when it was first announced  it did NOT have a 1st view option.

I hope you are not trying to simply hair split by saying 'yeah but it wasn't OUT then' because that is going to be really lame

 

ADDED: to be clear what I meant was when the game was announced not when it was released.

No you're wrong. Like I said, they  added hands, weapons etc.

Before that it had the same type of 1st person view you see in WOW, Rift and most other MMOs: You scroll in all the way and 3rd person becomes 1st.

 

" Getting handsy

When I wrote about Elder Scrolls Online back in January, I was told that the game supported first-person, but players would not be able to see their character's hands or weapons. "

http://www.penny-arcade.com/report/article/we-didnt-see-elder-scrolls-onlines-first-person-mode-until-last-week-heres

 

I just did a text search on 'first' on that article you just posted and I got to say. Yet again we are being a bit disingenuous aren't we?

 

The bottom line here is that to suggest they haven't been making an about face from their original is to be delusional.

With that said, if it makes you feel any better I will say I was mistaken however, I still don't think its the 'first person view' most people who talk about the subject are referring to. Even more so if 'WoW can do it'.

 

So it would be nice if we could all just stick to the sprit of what is being talked about not try to turn it into a strawman because when the day is done reality is still reality

Disingenuous? How so? You're obviously one of those people who can't admit they're wrong. If you want to you can search for the old 1st person view in videos but I neither have the time or inclination.

Fact: the game was designed around 3rd person just like all MMOs

Fact: as such they had the same token 1st person view which is available in all 3rd person MMOs

Fact: many fans wanted to see a better 1st person view like in single player ES games with hands, weapons, etc.

Fact: they added that 

 

That's all there is to it.

All this other drama about this being (either  good or bad)  massive change in direction, etc. is just overblown hyperbole.

And which part of my original response to you "It has both 3rd and 1st person views - just like almost all other MMOs." did you not understand? It does. Always did.

 

And most MMOers will play it in 3rd person view simply because it's a better view for group game play - especially PVP.

ok

1. I did admit I was wrong did you not read that?

2. do you honestly think when people say 'first person view' they are referring to a WoW/EQ2 style first person view? I want to make sure I understand that this is exactly what you are suggesting.

Correlation does not imply causation

  Iselin

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Posts: 3818

10/15/13 8:43:43 PM#79
Originally posted by SEANMCAD
Originally posted by Iselin
Originally posted by SEANMCAD
Originally posted by Iselin
Originally posted by SEANMCAD
Originally posted by Iselin
Originally posted by SEANMCAD
Originally posted by Iselin
Originally posted by SEANMCAD

Some of these responses are stunning. In fact, so unbelievable it makes me wonder if people are not just being paid to be fandoms about this.

 

The very fact that they changed the game from 3rd person to 1st person should be a massive clue to everyone that they are listening to EOS fans and they are responding and they do know if they don't its going to cost them the bottom line.

They didn't set out to make one of the only 1st view MMOs out there because they were just bored and had more time to kill

 

What I find insulting is that they (much like Microsoft) just don't say 'oh we messed up we are sorry we will try to fix it'

It has both 3rd and 1st person views - just like almost all other MMOs.

There's a lot of incorrect information here but hey, don't let that stop you from ranting about nothing lol.

I swear to god every time I come to this forum I can feel my brain cells dying and my IQ being reduced.

no it hasn't.

It started as 3rd person view only.

and I might add although they are both in game I find it curious that all the new demos are done in 1st view, not 3rd.

 

Dude...it always had 1st and 3rd. All they did was enhanced the 1st person view by adding hands, weapon, shield etc to make that view more like the ES games. 

Sheesh.

no it did not.

I am sorry but you are wrong. when it was first announced  it did NOT have a 1st view option.

I hope you are not trying to simply hair split by saying 'yeah but it wasn't OUT then' because that is going to be really lame

 

ADDED: to be clear what I meant was when the game was announced not when it was released.

No you're wrong. Like I said, they  added hands, weapons etc.

Before that it had the same type of 1st person view you see in WOW, Rift and most other MMOs: You scroll in all the way and 3rd person becomes 1st.

 

" Getting handsy

When I wrote about Elder Scrolls Online back in January, I was told that the game supported first-person, but players would not be able to see their character's hands or weapons. "

http://www.penny-arcade.com/report/article/we-didnt-see-elder-scrolls-onlines-first-person-mode-until-last-week-heres

 

I just did a text search on 'first' on that article you just posted and I got to say. Yet again we are being a bit disingenuous aren't we?

 

The bottom line here is that to suggest they haven't been making an about face from their original is to be delusional.

With that said, if it makes you feel any better I will say I was mistaken however, I still don't think its the 'first person view' most people who talk about the subject are referring to. Even more so if 'WoW can do it'.

 

So it would be nice if we could all just stick to the sprit of what is being talked about not try to turn it into a strawman because when the day is done reality is still reality

Disingenuous? How so? You're obviously one of those people who can't admit they're wrong. If you want to you can search for the old 1st person view in videos but I neither have the time or inclination.

Fact: the game was designed around 3rd person just like all MMOs

Fact: as such they had the same token 1st person view which is available in all 3rd person MMOs

Fact: many fans wanted to see a better 1st person view like in single player ES games with hands, weapons, etc.

Fact: they added that 

 

That's all there is to it.

All this other drama about this being (either  good or bad)  massive change in direction, etc. is just overblown hyperbole.

And which part of my original response to you "It has both 3rd and 1st person views - just like almost all other MMOs." did you not understand? It does. Always did.

 

And most MMOers will play it in 3rd person view simply because it's a better view for group game play - especially PVP.

ok

1. I did admit I was wrong did you not read that?

2. do you honestly think when people say 'first person view' they are referring to a WoW/EQ2 style first person view? I want to make sure I understand that this is exactly what you are suggesting.

In case you forgot, this is what you said: "they changed the game from 3rd person to 1st person"

That is totally wrong and misleading. They have not CHANGED from 3rd person - it is still 3rd person - most people will play it in 3rd person...capice?

It has an enhanced 1st person view for those who want it - that's all there is to it.

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10/15/13 8:46:17 PM#80
Originally posted by Iselin


 

In case you forgot, this is what you said: "they changed the game from 3rd person to 1st person"

That is totally wrong and misleading they have not CHANGED from 3rd person - it is still 3rd person - most people will play it in 3rd person...capice?

It has an enhanced 1st person view for those who want it - that's all there is to it.

again. I said I was wrong and I corrected myself twice after saying that.

With that said two items important for me to illustrate to you

1. you are trying to equate the phrase of 'first person view' with that which you can do in WoW. I didn't think any gamer would think that but I am trying to make myself clear now that when I said no first person view it was:

      a. something that went viral in the gaming community. I was clearly not the only one who felt there was a difference between 'real first person view' and 'first person view.

      b. just so you know I am now at this time letting you know that when I say 'first person view' I am referring to something more similar to FPS games which I am sure you know about.

2. I find it curious that all the ZeniMax sponsored demos show the game in 1st person view now. Does Sony do that for EQ2? or bizzard for WoW? no? why not?

3. did they or did they not change something to make the 1st person view better that other MMOs like WoW and EQ2 did NOT do? if so why?

 

 

 

The bottom line of what you are suggesting is that Zenimax did NOT respond or change the game to appease gamers like me and that it was all just a misunderstanding.

That is the position you feel comfortable with? clearly it is

Correlation does not imply causation

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