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  Quizzical

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10/01/13 4:54:31 PM#21

Exactly what power supply do you have?  Give the exact brand name and model, not just the nominal wattage.

Also, have you tried different combinations of 6-pin PCI-E power connectors to power the video card?

  Ridelynn

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10/01/13 5:14:02 PM#22

It worked fine in your son's machine though...

A 460 broke at one point, you got another 460. Later on the 460 broke again, adn they sent you a 660. Ok, I can see two RMA's here, it's not clear if I have it right, and I don't see a third.

Have you actually been through 3 660's ?!?

I have seen spotty PCI connection issues, mainly where they neglected to screw in the card to the chassis, but I have also seen it with bigger cards bumping against HD cages or power cables pull the card out of alignment or some such - but all very similar to what you describe happened with your PCI-E connector. In an extreme case I could see where it could actually damage the PCI slot on the motherboard or stress the daughterboard of the video card sufficiently to damage it, but I've never seen any permanent damage come from that personally.

I think, before you drop another video card in your computer - as much as it pains you to do so, you should probably revisit the power supply and motherboard. It's entirely likely you could hit video card #4 here, and a ghost in the machine eats it, and maybe the money for the parts that aren't obviously broken is worth the effort and frustration your going through right now chasing the devils out of the details.

Those are classic symptoms of a poor power supply or a marginal motherboard - but then again, a poor power supply and/or marginal motherboard have such a wide variety of rather innoculous symptoms that those problems usually never get diagnosed directly, but are rather solved indirectly by just chucking the entire piece of shit out the window in a fit of rage after you've been through 3 video cards and are sick of dealing with it.

  Reizla

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OP  10/02/13 12:55:49 AM#23

EVGA told me to check my power supply as well as well as my mainboard. I know those 2 are not faulty since I can still run the old GTX460 SLI configuration without problems that I have (as back up during RMAs).

About the RMAs, here's what happened:

  • My original GTX460 SC (from 2010 with 10 years warranty) broke down
  • Replacement GTX460 received and was showing fractals from day #1 on both my PCs
  • Replacement GTX650 (error of EVGA) - worked well, but I didn't accept that one since it's a lesser card than the GTX460 SC
  • Replacement GTX660 (now) as shown above, worked fine for 2 days and fractals are here again on both PCs.
I still have a good working EVGA GTX460 SC (763Mhz - had 2 of those) and an ASUS GTX460 OC (700Mhz). The two GTX460s still work perfectly in my system so it's certainly not my PSU/mainboard since those 2 cards in SLI eat a hell of a lot more power than one GTX660. I have also checked power usage on my mainboard (ASUS PC Probe) and all values are as they should be.
 
The reason why my son's PC is not showing fractals at start? He's having an AMD X3 in his PC and has an old 1440x900 monitor, so there's no 'pushing the cards to it's limits' on that PC ;)

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  Quizzical

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10/02/13 6:15:45 AM#24

Never mind whether you think it's fine.  Just say what power supply you have.

If the power it's delivering is slightly out of spec, then maybe one video card will be able to handle it just fine while another will choke.  Or maybe you've got multiple +12 V rails and the GTX 660 puts a different relative load on them than the GTX 460s in SLI.  Or maybe one of your 6-pin PCI-E power connectors is malfunctioning, and you didn't happen to use that one for the GTX 460s.  Or maybe, as someone else mentioned earlier, the problem is the motherboard; a lot of power gets fed through the PCI Express slot, too.

  Reizla

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OP  10/02/13 7:38:04 AM#25
Originally posted by Quizzical

Never mind whether you think it's fine.  Just say what power supply you have.

If the power it's delivering is slightly out of spec, then maybe one video card will be able to handle it just fine while another will choke.  Or maybe you've got multiple +12 V rails and the GTX 660 puts a different relative load on them than the GTX 460s in SLI.  Or maybe one of your 6-pin PCI-E power connectors is malfunctioning, and you didn't happen to use that one for the GTX 460s.  Or maybe, as someone else mentioned earlier, the problem is the motherboard; a lot of power gets fed through the PCI Express slot, too.

My PSU is fine as is the mainboard. You (and others in this thread) seem to forget that a single GTX660 only draws 130W max and a single GTX460 draws about 175W. That's why the GTX460 has 2 power slots and the GTX660 only 1. Yhough unlikely I did change power cord and even took the power from the other rail, but that still didn't change a thing at all.

My PSU is an OCZ Fatal1ty 750W SLI certified. If I can use it to feed 2x GTX460 (using all 4 power slots on 2 rails it has for the GPUs) then I'm pretty sure it definately should be able feed one GTX660 that uses only 1 power slot on either rails.

I also checked the power on the CPU and mainboard using ASUS PC Probe and all the voltages there are as they should be. This would imply that both PSU and mainboard are okay.

Also worth to note that I learned on the EVGA forums that I'm not the only one having to re-RMA defective RMA cards more than once. Somehow the EVGA RMA department just doesn't do it's check the 'refirbished' (yes, I'm not getting new ones but used ones that were RMAd before) GPUs as good as they should :(

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  Quizzical

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10/02/13 8:06:18 AM#26
Originally posted by Reizla
Originally posted by Quizzical

Never mind whether you think it's fine.  Just say what power supply you have.

If the power it's delivering is slightly out of spec, then maybe one video card will be able to handle it just fine while another will choke.  Or maybe you've got multiple +12 V rails and the GTX 660 puts a different relative load on them than the GTX 460s in SLI.  Or maybe one of your 6-pin PCI-E power connectors is malfunctioning, and you didn't happen to use that one for the GTX 460s.  Or maybe, as someone else mentioned earlier, the problem is the motherboard; a lot of power gets fed through the PCI Express slot, too.

My PSU is fine as is the mainboard. You (and others in this thread) seem to forget that a single GTX660 only draws 130W max and a single GTX460 draws about 175W. That's why the GTX460 has 2 power slots and the GTX660 only 1. Yhough unlikely I did change power cord and even took the power from the other rail, but that still didn't change a thing at all.

My PSU is an OCZ Fatal1ty 750W SLI certified. If I can use it to feed 2x GTX460 (using all 4 power slots on 2 rails it has for the GPUs) then I'm pretty sure it definately should be able feed one GTX660 that uses only 1 power slot on either rails.

I also checked the power on the CPU and mainboard using ASUS PC Probe and all the voltages there are as they should be. This would imply that both PSU and mainboard are okay.

Also worth to note that I learned on the EVGA forums that I'm not the only one having to re-RMA defective RMA cards more than once. Somehow the EVGA RMA department just doesn't do it's check the 'refirbished' (yes, I'm not getting new ones but used ones that were RMAd before) GPUs as good as they should :(

The power supply and motherboard should be fine if they're not defective.  But that's a big if.

You've got a modular power supply, so I'd try using different PCI-E power cables and plugging them into different places on the power supply.  Your power supply has four weak +12 V rails, and it's set up so that you could easily put the CPU and video card on the same rail while leaving two rails completely empty.

  Ridelynn

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10/02/13 9:19:34 AM#27

Given that you've been through 3 video cards

The odds of 3 video cards being faulty, versus the odds of something else being faulty and causing your 3 video cards to fry...

After 3 cards I'd bet on something else is broke frying your video cards. Not that eVGA (which actually is one of the better companies with regards to quality) sent you 3 lemons. Now it's entirely possible you just did roll snake eyes 3 times in a row, just not very likely.

Even if you had whatever the top of the line Power Supply is out today, Gold Plated with Lifetime guarantee, rated at 1500W -- I'd still replace it along with your motherboard.

The reason being: there aren't many ways to troubleshoot a power supply fault when it still turns on, but is going out of spec. All we can really see, without a lot of expensive test equipment (and by expensive, I mean $1500+ and almost no computer shop has it - you have to go to some specialized electronics labs), is if the power supply can turn on or not. We can't see if the voltages are rippling, we can't see if it browns out under load or distorts the wave form. We can't see if the voltages match across the various rails. All of those are significant problems, and entirely possible in a power supply: if a choke fails, if a capacitor shorts, if a mosfet degrades. And all of those failures may look fine in one setting, and totally flop in another based on how sensitive the various components are.

Power supply faults are hard to troubleshoot, because the biggest symptom when they start to go bad but still turn on, is that other stuff just keeps dying. 3 video cards, that definitely fits the symptom.

Now, all other things aside - if it were just this one card, I'd totally agree with you. That's a fine power supply, the 460s look fine, everything else seems fine. But the moment it shifted to multiple cards failing, it changes things.

  Amjoco

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10/02/13 9:27:57 AM#28
Didn't read the full thread, I'm on a phone. But try and use older card drivers. I have a 670 and the newest drivers caused a blue screen. I have a Asus M4N98DT EVO which is sli ready, maybe there is something in common. When I rolled back the drivers all was good.

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  Reizla

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OP  10/02/13 1:11:26 PM#29

This GTX660 and the the GTX460 I had for RMA were defniately broken when I got them. From Day #1 I plugged them in I had problems with them. The GTX460 that started this all was most likely fried thanks to Neverwinter overheating it while I had it 'slightly' overclocked.

If the theory of the broken PSU is true if the GTX460 I had as RMA would still work since I've been running 2x an EVGA GTX460 SC in my system for over half a year, and before that I had one EVGA and one ASUS GTX460 in it. So when I plug in a 'new' GTX460 SC it should make no difference. And when I (after both the GTX460 and GTX660) reinstall my SLI again with the EVGA and ASUS GTX460 and it's still working normally, it's only logical to conclude that the PSU is not faulty (when it comes to powering the older GTX460).

The CS of EVGA did tell me that newer cards (GTX6xx/7xx) are a bit more 'picky' on power and if my PSU or mainboard is just a tiny bit off in voltage, it might damage those cards (I did write earlier in this thread that a 8800GT in SLI burned on this board, that might be causing a problem as well). With that in mind, I think I'll settle with the GTX460 SLI in my system (no money to buy a new mainboard,  DDR3 memory and Intel CPU) and drop the upcoming GTX660 in my son's PC (on an AMD X3 2.7Ghz CPU *LOL* *bottleneck*). Obviously, I'll be making savings for a new system in case either the mainboard or the PSU really breaks down one day...

@Amjoko - think I have to re-install the previous nVidia drivers anyway, since the latest one are bugged with The Secret World for the GTX4xx/5xx series :(

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  jdnewell

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10/02/13 1:56:27 PM#30

From what you have posted an 8800 in sli burned out on that same mobo and assume PSU in the past. Now you are having trouble with several different cards in a row. Add to that after the 8800 burned you then put 460s in SLI and overclocked them.

You may have just gotten really unlucky with EVGA, but from the fact that the 8800 burned out sometime in the past and now these issues, I would start to look heavily at either the PSU / Mobo as the problem. If thats the same motherboard and psu from the days when the 8800s were released ( oct 2007) they are getting older anyways. Hardware does not last nor perform the same year after year, they do have a lifespan. Issues like these may be the warning signs.

I know whatever " tests' you have done they seem fine and you may not want to hear it but if it were me thats what I would be looking at.

I hope you get it worked out.  =) Things like this are a major pain in the ass.

  Quizzical

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10/02/13 2:20:23 PM#31
Originally posted by Reizla

If the theory of the broken PSU is true if the GTX460 I had as RMA would still work since I've been running 2x an EVGA GTX460 SC in my system for over half a year, and before that I had one EVGA and one ASUS GTX460 in it. So when I plug in a 'new' GTX460 SC it should make no difference. And when I (after both the GTX460 and GTX660) reinstall my SLI again with the EVGA and ASUS GTX460 and it's still working normally, it's only logical to conclude that the PSU is not faulty (when it comes to powering the older GTX460).

That's actually not true.  Theoretically, a +12 V rail ought to output a steady DC +12.00 V at all times.  But no power supply can hit exactly +12 V right on the nose under all possible circumstances, not even the really high end ones, so there are tolerances allowed.  The ATX specification says that voltage is supposed to be within 5% of the nominal value, so +11.4 V to +12.6 V.  Furthermore, "ripple", slight fluctuations on a scale of milliseconds, is supposed to be under 120 mV from peak to peak.

So if a power supply has an output on the +12 V rail bouncing around between 11.60 V and 11.70 V erratically, that's in spec, and ATX hardware is supposed to work with it.  That's actually mediocre perfomance as power supplies go, but it's in spec, so hardware is supposed to be able to work just fine with it.  A high quality power supply might, for example, have the voltage bounce around between +12.10 V and +12.12 V.

But there isn't a fixed rule that once you get exactly this far away from the nominal value, hardware starts to malfunction.  It varies wildly from one piece of hardware to the next.  If a power supply outputs +11.3 V or has the ripple making the voltage oscillate all the way from +11.90 V to +12.05 V (i.e., ripple of 150 mV), that's out of spec, so hardware isn't required to work with it, and the hardware vendor shouldn't be blamed if the hardware fails when the power delivered is out of spec, for about the same reasons that your computer doesn't work if you unplug the power cord.  But some pieces of hardware will work just fine anyway, as how far out of spec you have to go for the hardware to malfunction differs from one piece to the next.

If your power supply is delivering power that is somewhat out of spec but not wildly so, that would be entirely consistent with (and could easily cause!) some pieces of hardware working and others not.  Is that what is actually happening?  I don't know.  It's plausible that the power supply or motherboard are being problematic like that, but it may also not be the case.

  Reizla

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OP  10/02/13 3:03:53 PM#32
Originally posted by jdnewell

From what you have posted an 8800 in sli burned out on that same mobo and assume PSU in the past. Now you are having trouble with several different cards in a row. Add to that after the 8800 burned you then put 460s in SLI and overclocked them.

You may have just gotten really unlucky with EVGA, but from the fact that the 8800 burned out sometime in the past and now these issues, I would start to look heavily at either the PSU / Mobo as the problem. If thats the same motherboard and psu from the days when the 8800s were released ( oct 2007) they are getting older anyways. Hardware does not last nor perform the same year after year, they do have a lifespan. Issues like these may be the warning signs.

I know whatever " tests' you have done they seem fine and you may not want to hear it but if it were me thats what I would be looking at.

I hope you get it worked out.  =) Things like this are a major pain in the ass.

The board is from 2010, and the PSU has been replaced after the 8800GT incident. Aside from the 8800GT burning down, the PSU I had at the time burned down as well (there was a failsafe build in that one). Then I upgraded to a 620W PSU (there was nothing smaller at the time) and when I wanted to go SLI with the GTX460 I bought this PSU. Don't recall the exact date but I think it was somewhere Feb/March this year.

@Quizzical - Thanks for yet an other hardware lecture. My PSU fluctuated between 12.10V and 12.16V (according to ASUS PC Probe and stays mostly closed to 12.1V than 12.16V), so it should be well within the marges (I hope ;-). But as I've said in my previous post, the upcoming RMA replacement goes into my son's PC (that one is brand new) and I'll keep the GTX460 SLI till I've made savings for new hardware. Now just lets hope this configuration I have will keep working for an other year or so and also hope I can keep playing upcoming games ;-)

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10/02/13 3:14:18 PM#33
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@Quizzical - Thanks for yet an other hardware lecture. My PSU fluctuated between 12.10V and 12.16V (according to ASUS PC Probe and stays mostly closed to 12.1V than 12.16V), so it should be well within the marges (I hope ;-). But as I've said in my previous post, the upcoming RMA replacement goes into my son's PC (that one is brand new) and I'll keep the GTX460 SLI till I've made savings for new hardware. Now just lets hope this configuration I have will keep working for an other year or so and also hope I can keep playing upcoming games ;-)

If it's a software measurement, it's likely wrong.  To get numbers meaningfully more reliable than random guessing, you need dedicated hardware to measure it.  To measure ripple, you need an oscilloscope.  Anything that presents you with a digital number here isn't measuring ripple, as you need to see fluctuations on the order of milliseconds--much faster than you can read a number.  I'm not sure off hand what they use to measure voltages.

Another issue is that the voltages and ripple often change greatly depending on the load on the power supply, usually but not always with higher loads meaning lower voltages and more ripple.  For lower quality ("group regulated") power supplies, the relative load on the +3.3 V, +5 V, and +12 V rails has a huge impact on voltages, too.

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