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  eccoton

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OP  9/27/13 1:25:03 PM#41
Originally posted by NagelRitter

I think Vanilla/TBC WoW could have attempted to claim that title. But other MMO's could have competed for that one in different areas (UO, EQ1, DaoC, SWG). Problem is, all these games are very different and comparing them isn't quite fair. I believe WoW was the best in its style of game, and DaoC was the best in its style of game.

I believe currently, the best MMO on the market is EVE no matter how you slice it.

Personal preference really shouldn't factor in. Someone out there likes Mortal Online but it's still a poor product and that's apparent to anyone.

 DaoC  was an awesome game!

  daltanious

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9/28/13 4:34:13 AM#42
Originally posted by eccoton

....Darnassus I looked at the landscape and listen to the music and I felt like I was home again! I simple peace and joy settled over me. I forgot the heart break of my father's recent death. I forgot about all the doctors, pills, and life style changed forced on me since my heart attack. I forgot about the stress at work and my daily life. I was in Azeroth and home! No other mmo has ever done that for me. So I will answer my own question "could WOW be the best mmo ever?" Yes it is!

 

Great closure of op and probably reason I also love so much wow. Whenever i return (after months of absence, no matter how much I love some game I need detour to keep it fresh) I get that feeling "I'm home!" :-) Only other game I have played (and I'm beyond 50) and gives me same feeling is swtor. As long this two exists all my gaming needs for my free time are covered. :-))

  Purutzil

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The Critical Hit Pretzel!

9/28/13 4:45:25 AM#43

No... as much as I had enjoyed it, I feel other games have executed things better then WoW has. That being said, if your looking at the long term as far as say updates or things the company has done for the game, I feel its quite easy to say 'no' in terms of its progressively bad step after bad step, all of which is oozing a bad style of MMO that other games oddly try to copy, or at least at one point they did.

 

I would say though that wow itself was ONE of the best mmos ever. It has managed to push the fold on gameplay, despite having practically little in terms of 'original' content, much of what it has being taken from other sources and refined for their own game. Not the best one out there I feel, but it deserves recognization for finding a way to make MMos more casual... even if today it has taken it 10 steps way to far over the edge in that regard (arguably something that happened during BC or relatively early in Wotlk, particularly at TOC).

 

 

In short: No, but it does deserve to be ONE of the best mmos ever, even if many of its recent expansion/design choices have been very poor.

  Muke

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9/28/13 4:54:54 AM#44

what's your criteria for being 'the best'?

 

Financially? population? content?

 

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  muffins89

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9/28/13 4:57:30 AM#45
I think wow can be credited with bringing mmo's to the mainstream and to pop culture.  being the best mmo ever is subjective. 

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  Incomparable

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9/28/13 5:01:42 AM#46

If you are talking about the feels for WoW then its like religion. Why do people choose or stay with certain religions since a lot are similar? Its because of the feeling they have with that religion or concept.

You want to know why you have that feeling? Are you asking people to pick at your brain to understand how it works?

Maybe you like the shades of green, and the color palette with the art style. Or you like warcraft from before. Maybe the voices trigger a memory in you and wow has iconic voice actors that bring up great nostalgic memories. Or maybe the whole thing is nostalgia and it was your first mmo. So you want us to guess or do you want to share with us? 

Nice playing with you.

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  StarI

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9/28/13 5:27:25 AM#47
Originally posted by FlyinDutchman87

Depends.....

 

How are you defining best?

 

Most polished?..... Yes

Most popular?..... definitely

Genera Defining?... most assuredly

Best Game Experience?.... That's mostly subjective

Best combat?..... not really

Most content?..... By a long shot

Most immersive?.... No

Best story..... Not really (read Memory, Sorrow, and Thorn by Tad Williams blizzard stole the story whole sale)

Will wow go down as the greatest MMO of all time?..... I would imagine. Simply because it was WoW that MADE modern MMO gaming what it is(for better or wosre). It has transcended being a simple "game" an become and entire subculture. A way of life for many people.

I'd go along these lines.

 

If we were to select the best mmo of all times, we would need to look at many factors.

Obviously, personal subjectivity that many have already shown in this thread, has no place in here, except if you declare it like OP did.

I too don't really like to play WoW. I checked it recently and I played it a lot in vanilla but learned I can't digest the gear treadmill too well. I have other personal all time favourites...

Still, it's really easy to agree WoW is king of MMOs and the greatest one out there in many ways.

  eccoton

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OP  9/29/13 1:07:16 PM#48

There have been some interesting responses to what was really a story to illustrate my unique connection to WOW.

Let's look at it this way. I am a big film nut I have about 700 films in my collect. I am also an artist and an art professor at a small college. So I come to film and games as art but also entertainment, just as I do mmos. The film "Citizen Kane" is routinely named the best film of all time, almost by default, in list after list. This is for many reason's but mostly because it changed the way films were made and appreciated. I use to play a lot of console games until I got hooked on mmos. In the hearts of many, "Ocarina of Time" is considered to be the world's best video game, not just because it had one of the best story lines, but the fact that it changed the face of video-gaming forever, it introduced us to the concept of "open world". The Ocarina of Time format has influenced many games later, too, so it left an indelible mark in video gaming history. Both "Citizen Kane" and "Ocarina of Time" where not the first of their genre and both borrowed from the past but things were not the same after.

This brings us to WOW. If we bring the same criteria to mmos when searching for arguably the best mmo of all time, it seems to me there is no other choice, with the possibility of  Everquest, to hold the title of best ever mmo then World of Warcraft. WOW has had the biggest impact right or wrong on the mmo world since it's release in 2005. We might change the word best to most important, influential, or a number of similar comparisons but regardless of your feelings about WOW no other mmo has attracted so many players, no other mmo has been so familiar to the general populous, heck even my 85 year old mother know of WOW, and not because I play it.

World of Warcraft like Citizen Kane, Ocarina of Time, and ketchup forever changed things. The mmo world will never be the same. It is bigger, better, and with more choice then ever due to one game and one game alone and that is World of Warcraft. Like it or not that is the reality of the mmo scene. Even if you hate WOW but love mmos you need to offer a humble salute to WOW because if your best ever MMO happened after 2005 it was developed by it's creators with the dream to be another WOW. I do not like ketchup but I acknowledge the world is a better place because of it. 

  Cliff1963

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9/29/13 1:25:56 PM#49
Originally posted by eccoton
Originally posted by Cliff1963
Too bold a statement. Nobody knows what the state of MMO and computertech will be in 10 years time. It's a very good MMO, still is although I'm totally bored with it, but the best ever... A bit of a childish remark.

 Did you read my original post or just the title to the thread. Read my original post not just the title and you may feel a bit differently about why I started the thread. I used the term "best ever" in connection to this feeling I had that transcended WOW being just a game. Do I think everyone should feel the same? No, I had hoped others could relate to my experience and post if they have had a similar connection to WOW or their "best ever" mmo. I am not trying to sell you on the idea the WOW should be your "best ever"

As to the future yea, it will be awesome to see how mmos develop. I would bet in a total different direction then any of us can predict.

First of all, yeah, I read your post the first time. But because of your reply, I read it again. I can understand and even relate (I was fighting cancer when I came in contact with WOW, got disabled and playing WOW made me forget the terrible ordeal I was going through) to the situation and experience you were in when you played WOW. But that makes it a very PERSONAL experience, like I had and I'm still looking back with a great feeling about WOW. Was it the best MMO I played until now... Yes. Some disagree, most will agree. Sure there are players who will say it's 'the best ever', but although I agree with a lot you wrote in your OP, I have problems with the word EVER, imho it's something nobody can use in regard to a still evolving sort of game. And if you feel it's the best ever, they are your feelings about it, I can only respect those feelings.

  tommygunzII

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9/29/13 1:40:01 PM#50

In my opinion that would be FFXI, played for 7 years. Tried WoW for a month and never turned back, to this day WoW clones can't keep me for longer than a few months. FFXI was a masterpiece and there is nothing like it in existence.

 

Population numbers mean nothing to me, there are millions of people out there that watch Kardashians* and Honey Boo Boo. 

 

WoW was definitely the most popular MMO.

  Miblet

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9/29/13 4:53:09 PM#51

'Most content?..... By a long shot'

Whilst WoW has a lot more content than many new releases (which is unsuprising as the game has been running for some time) there are MMOs out there with more content (EQ still has more content for example).  I wouldn't be suprised if there were a lot more with comparable, or more content than WoW, however they wouldn't have the same level of polish.

  krage

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9/29/13 5:15:25 PM#52

I dont play anymore, and sorta dislike what the company has become but I will say yes it is the best mmo ever (to this point in time) and here is why.

Greatest Hits, Hall of Famers, or "best" things tend to identify things that are widely accepted and credited with setting new records, or standards for their category .

That said, WoW blew the gates open for MMO acceptance from a more niche group of gamers to include a variety of gamers and even brought in non-gamers.

So by my understanding, WoW for better or worse is currently the best MMO in a holistic sense of the game and what its accomplished.

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However, its not my current best MMO, I no longer get joy out of content gating or pvp balance being gated behind gear grinding. 

  thunderC

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9/29/13 5:25:25 PM#53
Yes Wow is without question the best MMO of alltime.
  Halandir

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9/29/13 5:30:17 PM#54
Originally posted by krage

I dont play anymore, and sorta dislike what the company has become but I will say yes it is the best mmo ever (to this point in time) and here is why.

Greatest Hits, Hall of Famers, or "best" things tend to identify things that are widely accepted and credited with setting new records, or standards for their category .

That said, WoW blew the gates open for MMO acceptance from a more niche group of gamers to include a variety of gamers and even brought in non-gamers.

So by my understanding, WoW for better or worse is currently the best MMO in a holistic sense of the game and what its accomplished.

...

...

However, its not my current best MMO, I no longer get joy out of content gating or pvp balance being gated behind gear grinding. 

Some profound insight here I couldn't muster. Well put Krage!

(Played WoW for a few months and never really enjoyed it. Didn't hate it, and a few of my friends loved it.)

We dont need casuals in our games!!! Errm... Well we DO need casuals to fund and populate our games - But the games should be all about "hardcore" because: We dont need casuals in our games!!!
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  RizelStar

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9/29/13 5:34:21 PM#55

Nope.

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  emota

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9/30/13 3:19:47 AM#56
WOW is the best mmo, nothing comes close, yet!
  Tissmogi

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9/30/13 3:35:41 AM#57

It is the worst MMO ever. It dumbed down the genre to a point where a brain is not required to play and everything is served on a silver platter without much effort.

Crafting is clicking a button and waiting, combat is spamming a few buttons, easy mode arrow pointing no brain required game-play, quests hubs and the graphics are vomit inducing even back when it released.

It introduced MMO gaming to the entitlement generation (Generation Y) and we all suffer for it.

  Magicabbage

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9/30/13 3:36:12 AM#58

Wow is the best MMO ever. It was not my first PC or RPG or MMO. It was the best; however, in every aspect. I still play it. It is

easier than it was in 2004-2006. It was easy then too. I agree there are a lot of things Blizz does that doesn't make sense, but

their job is harder than you think. The game is 9 years old and the graphics are still above avg. (for their style) Millions of

quests that aren't broken. Millions of pieces of loot. The game just got boring for a lot of people and those nimble minded kids

didn't know how to react to something that they used to love so much and yet they are bored of it. It made them angry and they

didn't know how to express that emotion, so they bashed the game. There is nothing major that is wrong with WoW. Great

Lore, Great UI and tons of mods out there for customization. The PvP is decent, even though it's nothing but a CC fest and

centered around gear and very little skill.

I try to look at it like a New-B would. If you came to this game for the first time tomorrow, would it be good? If you played

EQ1/2/Rift/Vanguard/WAR/SWTOR or any of the many AAA titles out since WoW launched. You couldn't deny this game is better

than all of those games.

 

  Caldrin

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9/30/13 3:39:18 AM#59

just because a lot of people play it does not make it the best..

Thats like saying McDonalds food is the best out there because so many people eat it..

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  pmcubed

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9/30/13 4:18:09 AM#60
Originally posted by Caldrin

just because a lot of people play it does not make it the best..

Thats like saying McDonalds food is the best out there because so many people eat it..

You make a good point.  

To further the analogy, WoW slowly added various features for convenience.  In order to open the game up to a wider audience.  You won't have 7-12 million playing a game that requires account sharing and 24/7 login time to stay competitive for PvP or farm the fire resist gear to beat vanilla MC :P

It offers sweet choices that fit the needs of a grand audience.  LFR lets people experience raids that normally dont have the time.  At the same time you have HardMode's available to progression guilds.  The same idea exists for BG's and Arena/RBG's.

I know people will debate the good times of world pvp and how superior it is, but frankly in a system without regulation, absolutely the only outcome is chaos.  In the form of griefing, camping, etc.  WoW attempts to create the guise of world pvp with larger BG's and PvP Zones.  They exist to foster that grand feeling, without any one side in particular feeling weaker or being at a massive disadvantage.  Again, in the interest in convenience.  

Sure, TM/SS raids were cool back in vanilla, but a larger audience requires structure, time schedule adherence, a chance for all to be included.

It really is like McDonalds.  It isn't the best food (basically the worst food a person could eat), but it's an all inclusive massive gaming system that has something for everyone.

 

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