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  Mtibbs1989

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Joined: 12/17/10
Posts: 2500

9/22/13 11:51:41 PM#41
Originally posted by Piechunks

Your post is laden with actual information about the game. Never mind the ad hominems coming from people who dare not address your actual points.

Even if your post is disorganized, it is very much appreciated by those of us who care about function over form and wanted to know about the specifics of the game.

If it's any comfort, I will probably not purchase this title based on your post (along with many others) that have criticized the same points.

Thanks for the honest, critical review of something and shame on you fan boys who try and belittle it.

 

If anything, the hordes trolling your post and flaming you is testament to its accuracy, or else they wouldn't have felt threatened enough to bother.

8/10 for this review (2 subtracted for disorganization and style)

  Unfortunately if you're remotely close to the OP you're not going to like MMOs in general. They all share the similar pros/cons. Might I suggest the closest game that tries to "fix" the MMO genre? Pick up GW2.

 You don't have a ridiculous amounts of grind, the quests are somewhat decent, there's a some what simple crafting system, there are a few more dungeons than this game, and once you get your gear from one dungeon you'll never have to worry about getting better gear ever again.

 


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  cybersurfr

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Posts: 182

9/22/13 11:52:15 PM#42

I agree with some of your points:

- fate is lame and weak

- too much zoning/loading/ too many loading screends for cutscenes/not a seamless world in any way

 

To the rest of your points, you just reek with a malicious agenda. You don't even sound like you actually played the game.

  Tinybina

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Joined: 1/28/04
Posts: 2114

9/22/13 11:53:11 PM#43
Originally posted by Piechunks

Your post is laden with actual information about the game. Never mind the ad hominems coming from people who dare not address your actual points.

Even if your post is disorganized, it is very much appreciated by those of us who care about function over form and wanted to know about the specifics of the game.

If it's any comfort, I will probably not purchase this title based on your post (along with many others) that have criticized the same points.

Thanks for the honest, critical review of something and shame on you fan boys who try and belittle it.

 

If anything, the hordes trolling your post and flaming you is testament to its accuracy, or else they wouldn't have felt threatened enough to bother.

8/10 for this review (2 subtracted for disorganization and style)

 

 

 

 

 

 

No kidding this was not your normal  "this game sucks post" he actually talked about things only someone who truly played the game would know about.  

 

I also find it funny how pretty much only TWO people were able to come back with their own counterpoints to the points you listed.  The rest could just attacked you on your grammar and punctuation, which is what the weak do to try to dismiss others.

 

I am pretty much desperate to play something, anything right now... I keep coming back to this game for some reason... But every time I come back I see a thread like this that saves me.  I just cannot pay to play a game that has so many flaws...  I just can't do it.

 

OP I almost cracked this time, thank you for saving me 30 dollars.  Back to trying to like Rift and playing Planetside 2... Ugh

 

Edit:  I also find it amusing that so many of you like this game, yet ever time I come to these forums I see the same people patrolling them.  If the game is so good then WHY ARE ON THESE FORUMS AND NOT PLAYING IT!?...

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  cybersurfr

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Joined: 10/13/04
Posts: 182

9/22/13 11:58:52 PM#44
Originally posted by Tinybina
Originally posted by Piechunks

Your post is laden with actual information about the game. Never mind the ad hominems coming from people who dare not address your actual points.

Even if your post is disorganized, it is very much appreciated by those of us who care about function over form and wanted to know about the specifics of the game.

If it's any comfort, I will probably not purchase this title based on your post (along with many others) that have criticized the same points.

Thanks for the honest, critical review of something and shame on you fan boys who try and belittle it.

 

If anything, the hordes trolling your post and flaming you is testament to its accuracy, or else they wouldn't have felt threatened enough to bother.

8/10 for this review (2 subtracted for disorganization and style)

 

 

 

 

 

 

No kidding this was not your normal  "this game sucks post" he actually talked about things only someone who truly played the game would know about.  

 

I also find it funny how pretty much only TWO people were able to come back with their own counterpoints to the points you listed.  The rest could just attacked you on your grammar and punctuation, which is what the weak do to try to dismiss others.

I am pretty much desperate to play something, anything right now... I keep coming back to this game for some reason... But every time I come back I see a thread like this that saves me.  I just cannot pay to play a game that has so many flaws...  I just can't do it.

 

It only sounds that way because you can find the information on every thing he posted with google - he just added 'it sucks' to every detail he came up with. I'd give the OP props into making himself sound convincing to you guys, but that's all the praise I can give him. This is nothing more than one of those silly 0/10 reviews in metacritic you find in all games.

  User Deleted
9/23/13 12:15:57 AM#45
Originally posted by Tinybina
 

 

Edit:  I also find it amusing that so many of you like this game, yet ever time I come to these forums I see the same people patrolling them.  If the game is so good then WHY ARE ON THESE FORUMS AND NOT PLAYING IT!?...

 

Maybe they have a stake in it .... *hint* *hint*

 

  Mtibbs1989

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Joined: 12/17/10
Posts: 2500

9/23/13 12:37:16 AM#46
Originally posted by Piechunks
Originally posted by Tinybina
 

 

Edit:  I also find it amusing that so many of you like this game, yet ever time I come to these forums I see the same people patrolling them.  If the game is so good then WHY ARE ON THESE FORUMS AND NOT PLAYING IT!?...

 

Maybe they have a stake in it .... *hint* *hint*

 

 If it wasn't for the one gripe I have about this game. I'd say in my personal opinion it's perfect. I've already discussed the flaw that I have with this game already and I'll say it again. It's the difficulty and the difficulty Yoshi "promised/promising" it's not really hard at all and please don't mention the fact that no one has defeated Coil - 5. My guild is one of the few who's actually on Coil - 5 and I'll say this right now, it's damn near impossible to beat.

For what reason do you ask?

 Well It's not that they made it hard, truly the first 5 bosses are incredibly easy and have some pretty straight forward mechanics. The issue lies with what Yoshi - P "forgetting" to mention to the customer base and that there's an entire 24 man raid missing from the game at the moment.

 Yeah, that's right, the only reason very few people will be able to "complete" Coil 5 is due to the fact that very few can obtain the proper gear to complete the final turn. Fortunately for casual players, you all will have plenty of time to goof off until November. By the time that November rolls around we'll have the Crystal Tower. Unfortunately for the player-base who has already made it through the first 4 turns, we'll most likely be geared out and waiting for the next 6 months. Because the extreme modes and Crystal Tower are pre-coil content.

 So in actuality this games raiding is actually quite easy and I'm quite disappointed in Yoshi - P and the developer team for misleading their customers in the belief that the content was going to be quite hard.


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  User Deleted
9/23/13 12:41:12 AM#47
Originally posted by Mtibbs1989
 

  Unfortunately if you're remotely close to the OP you're not going to like MMOs in general. They all share the similar pros/cons. Might I suggest the closest game that tries to "fix" the MMO genre? Pick up GW2.

 You don't have a ridiculous amounts of grind,

  Like in FFXVI per the original poster. He is more than credible, because there have been quite a few posts explaining how end-game sucks.... it hasn't even been a month yet, but many people have already hit the cap.

the quests are somewhat decent

Actually there are few quests per se if you ignore the renown hearts. The PS quests are relatively few in comparison.

there are a few more dungeons than this game, and once you get your gear from one dungeon you'll never have to worry about getting better gear ever again.

Actually, you can buy some of the best gear directly from the AH. Ascended fractal gear is a different can of worms entirely, since you are forced to grind fractals quite a few times to get what you need for 20+ (agony resistance).

So that statement isn't accurate.

   No thanks, GW2 is mostly a single player experience, albeit a good one. I am still looking for a good replacement for WoW (have been for the past 3 years) and have yet to find one, because things are either too trivial between lvl 1 and end-game, or simply lacking in end-game.

 


  You should take a look at the OP and yours, while he puts out a bunch of facts, you mostly have opinions and it turns out that he has the more helpful post.

 

Originally posted by Mtibbs1989
 

 So in actuality this games raiding is actually quite easy and I'm quite disappointed in Yoshi - P and the developer team for misleading their customers in the belief that the content was going to be quite hard.


Then you post that paragraph of goodness.... and show me you are more than capable.

 

  Mtibbs1989

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Joined: 12/17/10
Posts: 2500

9/23/13 12:48:43 AM#48
Originally posted by Piechunks
Originally posted by Mtibbs1989
 

  Unfortunately if you're remotely close to the OP you're not going to like MMOs in general. They all share the similar pros/cons. Might I suggest the closest game that tries to "fix" the MMO genre? Pick up GW2.

 You don't have a ridiculous amounts of grind,

  Like in FFXVI per the original poster. He is more than credible, because there have been quite a few posts explaining how end-game sucks.... it hasn't even been a month yet, but many people have already hit the cap.

the quests are somewhat decent

Actually there are few quests per se if you ignore the renown hearts. The PS quests are relatively few in comparison.

there are a few more dungeons than this game, and once you get your gear from one dungeon you'll never have to worry about getting better gear ever again.

Actually, you can buy some of the best gear directly from the AH. Ascended fractal gear is a different can of worms entirely, since you are forced to grind fractals quite a few times to get what you need for 20+ (agony resistance).

So that statement isn't accurate.

   No thanks, GW2 is mostly a single player experience, albeit a good one. I am still looking for a good replacement for WoW (have been for the past 3 years) and have yet to find one, because things are either too trivial between lvl 1 and end-game, or simply lacking in end-game.

 


  You should take a look at the OP and yours, while he puts out a bunch of facts, you mostly have opinions and it turns out that he has the more helpful post.

 

Originally posted by Mtibbs1989
 

 So in actuality this games raiding is actually quite easy and I'm quite disappointed in Yoshi - P and the developer team for misleading their customers in the belief that the content was going to be quite hard.


Then you post that paragraph of goodness.... and show me you are more than capable.

 

  Yep, the true difficulty at the moment is the fact that we have the gear that's barely enough to completely the raid content ;)

Fortunately for me, there's plenty of job, craft, and gathering classes for me to play and max out. Unlike the OP, I've been from 1-50, done coil 1-5 (haven't completed 5), done the crafting (enjoy the complexity to it), and love the overall smoothness in combat.

 The OP's overall rant is nothing more than someone complaining about general "issues" many people (who don't like MMOs) have with MMOs.


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  Fusion

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9/23/13 12:50:02 AM#49
Originally posted by Mtibbs1989
Originally posted by Piechunks
Originally posted by Tinybina
 

 

Edit:  I also find it amusing that so many of you like this game, yet ever time I come to these forums I see the same people patrolling them.  If the game is so good then WHY ARE ON THESE FORUMS AND NOT PLAYING IT!?...

 

Maybe they have a stake in it .... *hint* *hint*

 

 If it wasn't for the one gripe I have about this game. I'd say in my personal opinion it's perfect. I've already discussed the flaw that I have with this game already and I'll say it again. It's the difficulty and the difficulty Yoshi "promised/promising" it's not really hard at all and please don't mention the fact that no one has defeated Coil - 5. My guild is one of the few who's actually on Coil - 5 and I'll say this right now, it's damn near impossible to beat.

For what reason do you ask?

 Well It's not that they made it hard, truly the first 5 bosses are incredibly easy and have some pretty straight forward mechanics. The issue lies with what Yoshi - P "forgetting" to mention to the customer base and that there's an entire 24 man raid missing from the game at the moment.

 Yeah, that's right, the only reason very few people will be able to "complete" Coil 5 is due to the fact that very few can obtain the proper gear to complete the final turn. Fortunately for casual players, you all will have plenty of time to goof off until November. By the time that November rolls around we'll have the Crystal Tower. Unfortunately for the player-base who has already made it through the first 4 turns, we'll most likely be geared out and waiting for the next 6 months. Because the extreme modes and Crystal Tower are pre-coil content.

 So in actuality this games raiding is actually quite easy and I'm quite disappointed in Yoshi - P and the developer team for misleading their customers in the belief that the content was going to be quite hard.

For your basic WoW'er / I want it now / instant gratification MMO'er, it's quite hard & grind heavy and they've probably already left :)

It's no where near FFXI hard, but it's still harder than most current "gen" MMO's out there (this can be witnessed with pretty much 80% of the dungeon PUGs), if they made it any harder, it would be bleeding players like no tomorrow.

If they made it for that 2% HC raiders and MMO-champions, the game would probably have 2 servers for NA/EU and 10 for JP.

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  User Deleted
9/23/13 12:51:32 AM#50

Your argument is basically that its your standard issue mmorpg and therefore it sucks.

Theres clearly a lot of people who still like mmorpgs and don't need them dumbed down and shortened for the instant gratification crowd...nor do they need to crutch on some gimmicky action based mechanics to trick people into liking them because they really hate mmorpgs but cant come to terms with it.

 

Yes and everyone who enjoys the game has some sort of agenda because they have an invested stake in the game...is that isn't the ad hominem you were referring to.

Not sure what it is about a game doing well that makes people so desperate to try to convince people its bad...

  Mtibbs1989

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Posts: 2500

9/23/13 12:51:50 AM#51
Originally posted by Fusion
Originally posted by Mtibbs1989
Originally posted by Piechunks
Originally posted by Tinybina
 

 

Edit:  I also find it amusing that so many of you like this game, yet ever time I come to these forums I see the same people patrolling them.  If the game is so good then WHY ARE ON THESE FORUMS AND NOT PLAYING IT!?...

 

Maybe they have a stake in it .... *hint* *hint*

 

 If it wasn't for the one gripe I have about this game. I'd say in my personal opinion it's perfect. I've already discussed the flaw that I have with this game already and I'll say it again. It's the difficulty and the difficulty Yoshi "promised/promising" it's not really hard at all and please don't mention the fact that no one has defeated Coil - 5. My guild is one of the few who's actually on Coil - 5 and I'll say this right now, it's damn near impossible to beat.

For what reason do you ask?

 Well It's not that they made it hard, truly the first 5 bosses are incredibly easy and have some pretty straight forward mechanics. The issue lies with what Yoshi - P "forgetting" to mention to the customer base and that there's an entire 24 man raid missing from the game at the moment.

 Yeah, that's right, the only reason very few people will be able to "complete" Coil 5 is due to the fact that very few can obtain the proper gear to complete the final turn. Fortunately for casual players, you all will have plenty of time to goof off until November. By the time that November rolls around we'll have the Crystal Tower. Unfortunately for the player-base who has already made it through the first 4 turns, we'll most likely be geared out and waiting for the next 6 months. Because the extreme modes and Crystal Tower are pre-coil content.

 So in actuality this games raiding is actually quite easy and I'm quite disappointed in Yoshi - P and the developer team for misleading their customers in the belief that the content was going to be quite hard.

For your basic WoW'er / I want it now / instant gratification MMO'er, it's quite hard and they've probably already left :)

It's no where near FFXI hard, but it's still harder than most current "gen" MMO's out there (this can be witnessed with pretty much 80% of the dungeon PUGs), if they made it any harder, it would be bleeding players like no tomorrow.

 Fortunately this game does hold better ground as far as "difficulty" when comparing it to WoW content. I do have to admit our guilds first time through the fights did take roughly 1-8 hours at most to complete. I'm sorry, however I come from the old gaming era where many people didn't always win. Not everyone needs to be a winner and it's okay that there's someone who'll always be better than you.

 It's always good to have content that's incredibly hard for you to beat. It gives the customer something to come back for. If people continue to follow the easy instant gratification formula like WOW as example; you're going to fail. Dark Souls is a prime example of a game in which is increasingly difficult. Not only is it difficult but Dark Souls 2 has already been touted to be much harder. We don't want trivial content, we want to be challenged.


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  Hyanmen

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Joined: 10/11/06
Posts: 4951

9/23/13 1:33:48 AM#52
Originally posted by ThumbtackJ
Originally posted by Hyanmen
Originally posted by ThumbtackJ
Originally posted by Aldous.Huxley
Originally posted by ThumbtackJ

Some doesn't like what I like!? ! How DARE he!? Tear him to shreds! Discredit his opinions based on grammar and punctuation errors!

If you're going to write a review intended to be taken seriously, I would suggest all of the above should be taken into consideration. Especially when writing a critical review. Or should the critical not be criticized themselves?

It's a forum user sharing their opinions. Not someone on some well known site who writes reviews for a career. I understood everything just fine, and the only issue I had in terms of grammar was using "thru" rather than typing it out correctly as "through" (and perhaps where he said SWTOR was objectively better). Unless people are upset about the OP's use of a "bullet point" system, then I'm missing what the big fuss is (aside from not posting it in the review section). Even if you do find issue with the way the review is presented, I'd wager that even if it was better presented, people would still leave rude one liners due to them not being able to handle that some people just don't like the same stuff.

 

Sounds like you hate the game. We shouldn't need to hide the obvious. Anyway, this doesn't read like an opinion piece. The writer tries to make his post come off as how the game truly is, not his subjective view of how the game is. People will take issue with such presentation. People will take issue with people taking issue with such presentation (hey thats you!)

I have 86 hours played (you can check my Raptr profile if needed). I like it just fine. I'm done for a bit, at least until 2.1 drops, but it's decent enough (if a bit samey-same). And while the OP did indeed come off a bit rude, I still maintain that people could make proper rebuttals rather than leave rude one-liners (which many would anyways even if his post was polite and perfectly formed). 

 

Also, I would have said the same even for someone absolutely trashing a game I very much enjoy. Take Rift for example, currently it's my favorite MMORPG. If someone decided to make a post in the Rift forums, completely and utterly trashing it in every which way, and people left rude one liners, I'd have responded in the same way. People just can't handle others having different opinions. It's as simple as that.

 

As far as being critical of the critical goes, being critical would be debunking things that were said, explaining your side of the argument, etc. Not leaving rude one liners, and blowing the whole thing off due to some grammar mistakes and rudeness. Or even better, you could just choose to ignore it, and not post at all if you truly thought it wasn't worth the time.

 

Once again the text is not written as an opinion piece so your claim hardly applies here. People can post rude one-liners because the OP arrogantly dismisses THEIR opinion and tries to make it look like his truth is the right truth. Try to see the difference between the two because this is not the official forums, people CAN take a differing opinion around here.

FF:ARR FATE grinding: People not having fun by doing something not actually intended to get to a point that doesn't really matter as fast as possible. Just so they can do the same thing over and over again to gain a piece of virtual loot.

  Fusion

Old School

Joined: 5/21/03
Posts: 1316

9/23/13 2:00:51 AM#53
Originally posted by Mtibbs1989
Originally posted by Fusion
Originally posted by Mtibbs1989
Originally posted by Piechunks
Originally posted by Tinybina
 

 

Edit:  I also find it amusing that so many of you like this game, yet ever time I come to these forums I see the same people patrolling them.  If the game is so good then WHY ARE ON THESE FORUMS AND NOT PLAYING IT!?...

 

Maybe they have a stake in it .... *hint* *hint*

 

 If it wasn't for the one gripe I have about this game. I'd say in my personal opinion it's perfect. I've already discussed the flaw that I have with this game already and I'll say it again. It's the difficulty and the difficulty Yoshi "promised/promising" it's not really hard at all and please don't mention the fact that no one has defeated Coil - 5. My guild is one of the few who's actually on Coil - 5 and I'll say this right now, it's damn near impossible to beat.

For what reason do you ask?

 Well It's not that they made it hard, truly the first 5 bosses are incredibly easy and have some pretty straight forward mechanics. The issue lies with what Yoshi - P "forgetting" to mention to the customer base and that there's an entire 24 man raid missing from the game at the moment.

 Yeah, that's right, the only reason very few people will be able to "complete" Coil 5 is due to the fact that very few can obtain the proper gear to complete the final turn. Fortunately for casual players, you all will have plenty of time to goof off until November. By the time that November rolls around we'll have the Crystal Tower. Unfortunately for the player-base who has already made it through the first 4 turns, we'll most likely be geared out and waiting for the next 6 months. Because the extreme modes and Crystal Tower are pre-coil content.

 So in actuality this games raiding is actually quite easy and I'm quite disappointed in Yoshi - P and the developer team for misleading their customers in the belief that the content was going to be quite hard.

For your basic WoW'er / I want it now / instant gratification MMO'er, it's quite hard and they've probably already left :)

It's no where near FFXI hard, but it's still harder than most current "gen" MMO's out there (this can be witnessed with pretty much 80% of the dungeon PUGs), if they made it any harder, it would be bleeding players like no tomorrow.

 Fortunately this game does hold better ground as far as "difficulty" when comparing it to WoW content. I do have to admit our guilds first time through the fights did take roughly 1-8 hours at most to complete. I'm sorry, however I come from the old gaming era where many people didn't always win. Not everyone needs to be a winner and it's okay that there's someone who'll always be better than you.

 It's always good to have content that's incredibly hard for you to beat. It gives the customer something to come back for. If people continue to follow the easy instant gratification formula like WOW as example; you're going to fail. Dark Souls is a prime example of a game in which is increasingly difficult. Not only is it difficult but Dark Souls 2 has already been touted to be much harder. We don't want trivial content, we want to be challenged.

I too am from the "old" era and i wholeheartedly agree with the challenge aspect. Also loved Dark Souls to bits and am anxiously waiting for 2! gladly this time around it's not a crappy port which needs community fixes to make even playable :)

But you need to look at this from the company point of view, they're there to make profit, not to drive "casuals" away, you think FFXIV would be operating more than 2 months if it was as challenging and hard as DS? Hell no.

Currently playing: ESO

Waiting for: Class4.

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  Mtibbs1989

Hard Core Member

Joined: 12/17/10
Posts: 2500

9/23/13 2:14:28 AM#54
Originally posted by Fusion
Originally posted by Mtibbs1989
Originally posted by Fusion
Originally posted by Mtibbs1989
Originally posted by Piechunks
Originally posted by Tinybina
 

 

Edit:  I also find it amusing that so many of you like this game, yet ever time I come to these forums I see the same people patrolling them.  If the game is so good then WHY ARE ON THESE FORUMS AND NOT PLAYING IT!?...

 

Maybe they have a stake in it .... *hint* *hint*

 

 If it wasn't for the one gripe I have about this game. I'd say in my personal opinion it's perfect. I've already discussed the flaw that I have with this game already and I'll say it again. It's the difficulty and the difficulty Yoshi "promised/promising" it's not really hard at all and please don't mention the fact that no one has defeated Coil - 5. My guild is one of the few who's actually on Coil - 5 and I'll say this right now, it's damn near impossible to beat.

For what reason do you ask?

 Well It's not that they made it hard, truly the first 5 bosses are incredibly easy and have some pretty straight forward mechanics. The issue lies with what Yoshi - P "forgetting" to mention to the customer base and that there's an entire 24 man raid missing from the game at the moment.

 Yeah, that's right, the only reason very few people will be able to "complete" Coil 5 is due to the fact that very few can obtain the proper gear to complete the final turn. Fortunately for casual players, you all will have plenty of time to goof off until November. By the time that November rolls around we'll have the Crystal Tower. Unfortunately for the player-base who has already made it through the first 4 turns, we'll most likely be geared out and waiting for the next 6 months. Because the extreme modes and Crystal Tower are pre-coil content.

 So in actuality this games raiding is actually quite easy and I'm quite disappointed in Yoshi - P and the developer team for misleading their customers in the belief that the content was going to be quite hard.

For your basic WoW'er / I want it now / instant gratification MMO'er, it's quite hard and they've probably already left :)

It's no where near FFXI hard, but it's still harder than most current "gen" MMO's out there (this can be witnessed with pretty much 80% of the dungeon PUGs), if they made it any harder, it would be bleeding players like no tomorrow.

 Fortunately this game does hold better ground as far as "difficulty" when comparing it to WoW content. I do have to admit our guilds first time through the fights did take roughly 1-8 hours at most to complete. I'm sorry, however I come from the old gaming era where many people didn't always win. Not everyone needs to be a winner and it's okay that there's someone who'll always be better than you.

 It's always good to have content that's incredibly hard for you to beat. It gives the customer something to come back for. If people continue to follow the easy instant gratification formula like WOW as example; you're going to fail. Dark Souls is a prime example of a game in which is increasingly difficult. Not only is it difficult but Dark Souls 2 has already been touted to be much harder. We don't want trivial content, we want to be challenged.

I too am from the "old" era and i wholeheartedly agree with the challenge aspect. Also loved Dark Souls to bits and am anxiously waiting for 2! gladly this time around it's not a crappy port which needs community fixes to make even playable :)

But you need to look at this from the company point of view, they're there to make profit, not to drive "casuals" away, you think FFXIV would be operating more than 2 months if it was as challenging and hard as DS? Hell no.

 Fortunately that's what's great about companies like Blizzard and Square-Enix. They don't need the casual customers money in comparison to companies like EA who are spending their investors money. Companies like EA have deadlines to make a profit off of their share holders investments.

 Companies like Blizzard and Square-Enix are using money out of their own pockets to produce these games. Which allows them to keep their games P2P unlike EA for example. Also, your point doesn't quite hold up to par when it's compared to their older MMO; FFXI. It's a significantly harder MMO in comparison to all modern day MMOs, yet it doesn't need to cater to the casual market to be successful.

 I'm fine with the difficulty being in between FFXI and Wow. It'll at least give the more casual crowd a chance at the game while retaining the difficulty for the more hardcore players. However, my stance on gaming is that, "Not everyone has to be a winner." So I personally would like see incredibly hard content. I'm here to achieve insanely hard tasks; not run several dungeons 60 times before getting the 2nd-3rd best set of gear within the game.

 Unfortunately as of right now, the content is only hard because SE didn't add all of the proper raids. Once Crystal Tower is implemented into the game in 2.1 Bahamuts Coil will be no harder that simply running your standard raid.


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  Ralstlin

Novice Member

Joined: 1/09/10
Posts: 243

9/23/13 2:17:04 AM#55
Originally posted by Tinybina
Edit:  I also find it amusing that so many of you like this game, yet ever time I come to these forums I see the same people patrolling them.  If the game is so good then WHY ARE ON THESE FORUMS AND NOT PLAYING IT!?...

Easy: Because we work, and we cant play at work but we can read and write in forums. (like right now :D)

 

OP dont like MMORPG, that all.

  Mtibbs1989

Hard Core Member

Joined: 12/17/10
Posts: 2500

9/23/13 2:21:40 AM#56
Originally posted by Ralstlin
Originally posted by Tinybina
Edit:  I also find it amusing that so many of you like this game, yet ever time I come to these forums I see the same people patrolling them.  If the game is so good then WHY ARE ON THESE FORUMS AND NOT PLAYING IT!?...

Easy: Because we work, and we cant play at work but we can read and write in forums. (like right now :D)

 

OP dont like MMORPG, that all.

 Yeah, it's unfortunate the MMO genre isn't for everyone. If you can't stand grind, lots of questing, and other repetitive tasks you most likely won't like any MMO. These games (use to) require a lot of patience to obtain items.


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  tfoges

Novice Member

Joined: 11/20/06
Posts: 10

9/23/13 2:26:57 AM#57

- weak story quest(s)  (main and class)

what did you make it to lvl 10? even if you went all the way to 50 you must have skipped dialouge, there is a perpetual 3 way war between factions of the same country, who are all at war with the neighboring country, and everyone is at war with primals, how fucking stupid are you?
- weak amount of other quests (that are all generic/simplistic/boring)

yea typical quests suck, thats why there are leves, fates, trials, guildhests, dungeons, raids. sorry is that not enough lvl options for you? again your dumb as hell
- battlecraft leves/hests are ultra boring

leves, yea cuz its a basic form of daily questing, guildhests? again you skip dialouge and speed run through it, guildhests open every few lvls and offer a side mission in a dungeon setting and after lvl 10 guildhest, which is a tutorial it is never kill xyz and do abc. i question your intelligence moreso with every problem you list.
- fate grinding is the weakest/lamest content to ever exist in MMORPGs (no challenge, no danger, pure zerg (except for the very rare 1 offs that do a variety of KO attacks))

fate grinding is an alternate form of leveling and yes it is faster, but go ahead grind fates to 50, you havent unlock a single raid/dungeon and your no better off than a lvl 15 just getting into story quest line and your a lvl 50 class, and lvl zero job. good god did you get a 12 on your ACT?
- hunting log is a neato idea but is mostly just another xp welfare giveaway

the game is not meant to be rushed through, the hunting log is an incentive to explore differnt areas, use deductive reasoning please.
- instance bosses rock but instances are packed with tedious trash that diminish the dungeon experience

uhhh no shit, what other game is different, and also depending on the dungeon you clear mini bosses ect, seperate challenges and side quests if you chose to do them, your talking about speed runs.
- gathering is mindless and tedious to the max - let's run in a circle tapping nodes for hours, shall we?  this is compelling (the mechanics of gathering are actually cool - it's just the insane repetition that sucks)

hmmm so lets say wow/gw2 the 2 biggest mmos besides ffxiv, you go to your map and see all the gathering locations, and them you point/click, in this game you have to actually discover gathering locations. you also have the oportunity to do quests/leves for gathering to aid leveling and escape the monotomy of grinding gathering points, no other game has that.
- crafting system is cool enough but leveling crafting is monotonous tedium
- mobs don't drop loot (other than crafting junk) - all loot is thoroughly generic
- the list of quality of life problems (weakly implemented or lacking features common to most good MMORPGs) is huge (horrible bank interface, horrible inventory interface, no stats tooltip compare, no gear preview, no wardrobe/appearance control - those kinds of things that have been well documented)
- too much zoning/loading, small weak zones with zero exploration value

again, what did you make it to? lvl 15? 

- too many loading screends for cutscenes

some cutscenes suck yes, and this is the only point that i will semi agree with you, and ever then its semi agreeing. yes there are a shit ton of cutscenes, but those for boss/dungeon/main quests/class quests are fun to watch and have voice overs and are a fuck ton better then just clicking through dialouge. the airship cutscenes, which i doubt your even high enough lvl to have seen, suck balls.

- not a seamless world in any way

a seamless world... well no shit its zoned out.
- influence of outdated consoles impacts what should be a premium PC game too much

are you high? wtf does that even mean? yea they added lower gfx options for outdated pc's, so?
- horrible launch

horrible launch? LMFAO, they had so many ppl buy the game some ppl drove 4 hours just to find a copy of the game and others on reddit had to have someone buy it in a different country and ship it to them. you call a horrible launching COMPLETELY SELLING OUT OF PHYSICAL AND DIGITAL COPIES OF THE GAME IN THE FIRST DAY??

halo/cod has never done this and no fucking wonder servers were crowding when everyone wants to play 1/2 servers out of the 20 some, yea a few servers with high population had log in ques while the rest had nobody on them. and they fixed this in the first 2 weeks.

i seriously think that your common sense is that of my highschool gf who though that if i stuck it in her ass she wasnt a slut.

- continued tech problems and an engine that can't handle the content (go do odin, for ex, svala)

an engine that cant handle it? maybe you should get off dial up and get rid of the radeon .5gb 4xxx gfx card and the 2.0 ghz processor. sucks your homeless and play at the library but maybe you should join the work force. then you'll have money enough to buy the 200 dollar gfx card to run this game in high settins with zero delay whatsoever.

- plague of gil spammers coupled with guilds selling content to losers (who probably buy gil to pay to have the game played for them)

um what other game doesnt have this? and you can report them and there is 1 gm on each server at all times, if youd report them and stop being lazy and just blocking them, they get banned pretty fucking quick.

- I despise the 2.5s GCD (more of a personal pref thing than a true problem, I guess)

2.5s cooldown for casters at lvl 1, no buffs, no food, no potions. at lvl 50 with buffs/potions/food, its half that. and besides the endgame is a lot of positioning/target awareness, if the GC was under 1s this game would be easy mode.

Endgame consists of:
- grind out relic weapon - some marginally interesting encounters you'll do once (unless you stick around to alt and repeat)

50k for a crafter to make it. if you dont have it, do the quests and stfu, everyone else did. did you expect them to hand it to you?
- grinding/exploiting/speed running CM, which is one of the most feeble and lame excuses for a "raid" ever created (which is why people do it and not other content - easy tombstones).  Boring.  Waste of time.  If this is your idea of good gaming...wow.

grinding CM? so you can get the ilvl 55 gear? yea no shit you can speed run it when ppl have ilvl 90 gear from the higher raids. you dont even fucking have to do it. you can skip it and go to a higher lvl raid, CM is the first basic stepping stone into endgame and with the influx of newer players, yea a ton of ppl speed run it to get the gear so they can do the next raid, and so on and so forth
- grinding/speed running AK, which is miserable due to excessive amounts of boring trash mobs - but hey, at least it drops some gear!

HEY just what i said to your last problem, everyone is on the next step up. go hit turn 3/4 see how many ppl speed run it BECAUSE NOT A SINGLE SERVER HAS YET TO COMPLETE TURN 5. 

- grind ifrit into dust to get your weapon you'll use for a few hours before you finish relic

then dont fucking do it pussy, get your relic weapon. good god.
- maybe, once in a great while, doing any of the other endgamish content even though they're not efficient - and that's all that really matters, isn't it?  Being efficient, taking the easiest road to the fastest gear - must get yours - must win the race.

do i have to answer this? this is the worst post ive ever read on here but the most fun ive had answering because it proves that youve never played the game past scion, and are a wow nerd raging that ppl are leaving. the developer of this game wants to have more DOW/DOM(disciples of war, disciples of magic) i doubt you knew what those stood for because you obviously havent played the game

well he wants more DOW/DOM classes than were in ff11, which was 22/23? right now theres 8. expect massive content updates, hell look at 2.1, not even an expansion and releasing arena pvp(1 form of the planned 3 forms of pvp) new raids, new dungeons, housing. seriously kid. before you troll post learn your shit.

  Papaprika

Novice Member

Joined: 5/17/13
Posts: 64

9/23/13 2:32:04 AM#58

One big problem. I see so many people defending this game: "Oh the world is alive with the birds etc.." And the guys proving them wrong: "The birds are just piped in music, and the NPCS just stand there", and then the fan bois: "Oh no, but you see it is a Final Fantasy titles, and the NPCS are there like in all mmorpts. So it is legit"....

 

All I have to say is this to you diaper loaders: SUPER NINTENDO Final Fantasy FRANCHISE HAS NPC'S THAT MOVE AND WALK! YUP! - I am sorry but the old nintendo cartridge game is more alive than this sorry excuse of a game. They even have REAL BIRDS in the nintendo versions. Any one remember FF6 with the house that had the pigeons flying around it and the sounds they make? They even had dogs running around that bark... *sigh* It is sad this generation that opens brain and let's consumer dihareah unload in it. That about sums up this game. Diahreah in a box. Enjoy. 

  Mtibbs1989

Hard Core Member

Joined: 12/17/10
Posts: 2500

9/23/13 2:36:43 AM#59
Originally posted by tfoges

- weak story quest(s)  (main and class)

what did you make it to lvl 10? even if you went all the way to 50 you must have skipped dialouge, there is a perpetual 3 way war between factions of the same country, who are all at war with the neighboring country, and everyone is at war with primals, how fucking stupid are you?
- weak amount of other quests (that are all generic/simplistic/boring)

yea typical quests suck, thats why there are leves, fates, trials, guildhests, dungeons, raids. sorry is that not enough lvl options for you? again your dumb as hell


- battlecraft leves/hests are ultra boring

leves, yea cuz its a basic form of daily questing, guildhests? again you skip dialouge and speed run through it, guildhests open every few lvls and offer a side mission in a dungeon setting and after lvl 10 guildhest, which is a tutorial it is never kill xyz and do abc. i question your intelligence moreso with every problem you list.


- fate grinding is the weakest/lamest content to ever exist in MMORPGs (no challenge, no danger, pure zerg (except for the very rare 1 offs that do a variety of KO attacks))

fate grinding is an alternate form of leveling and yes it is faster, but go ahead grind fates to 50, you havent unlock a single raid/dungeon and your no better off than a lvl 15 just getting into story quest line and your a lvl 50 class, and lvl zero job. good god did you get a 12 on your ACT?


- hunting log is a neato idea but is mostly just another xp welfare giveaway

the game is not meant to be rushed through, the hunting log is an incentive to explore differnt areas, use deductive reasoning please.


- instance bosses rock but instances are packed with tedious trash that diminish the dungeon experience

uhhh no shit, what other game is different, and also depending on the dungeon you clear mini bosses ect, seperate challenges and side quests if you chose to do them, your talking about speed runs.


- gathering is mindless and tedious to the max - let's run in a circle tapping nodes for hours, shall we?  this is compelling (the mechanics of gathering are actually cool - it's just the insane repetition that sucks)

hmmm so lets say wow/gw2 the 2 biggest mmos besides ffxiv, you go to your map and see all the gathering locations, and them you point/click, in this game you have to actually discover gathering locations. you also have the oportunity to do quests/leves for gathering to aid leveling and escape the monotomy of grinding gathering points, no other game has that.


- crafting system is cool enough but leveling crafting is monotonous tedium
- mobs don't drop loot (other than crafting junk) - all loot is thoroughly generic
- the list of quality of life problems (weakly implemented or lacking features common to most good MMORPGs) is huge (horrible bank interface, horrible inventory interface, no stats tooltip compare, no gear preview, no wardrobe/appearance control - those kinds of things that have been well documented)
- too much zoning/loading, small weak zones with zero exploration value

again, what did you make it to? lvl 15? 

- too many loading screends for cutscenes

some cutscenes suck yes, and this is the only point that i will semi agree with you, and ever then its semi agreeing. yes there are a shit ton of cutscenes, but those for boss/dungeon/main quests/class quests are fun to watch and have voice overs and are a fuck ton better then just clicking through dialouge. the airship cutscenes, which i doubt your even high enough lvl to have seen, suck balls.

- not a seamless world in any way

a seamless world... well no shit its zoned out.


- influence of outdated consoles impacts what should be a premium PC game too much

are you high? wtf does that even mean? yea they added lower gfx options for outdated pc's, so?


- horrible launch

horrible launch? LMFAO, they had so many ppl buy the game some ppl drove 4 hours just to find a copy of the game and others on reddit had to have someone buy it in a different country and ship it to them. you call a horrible launching COMPLETELY SELLING OUT OF PHYSICAL AND DIGITAL COPIES OF THE GAME IN THE FIRST DAY??

halo/cod has never done this and no fucking wonder servers were crowding when everyone wants to play 1/2 servers out of the 20 some, yea a few servers with high population had log in ques while the rest had nobody on them. and they fixed this in the first 2 weeks.

i seriously think that your common sense is that of my highschool gf who though that if i stuck it in her ass she wasnt a slut.

- continued tech problems and an engine that can't handle the content (go do odin, for ex, svala)

an engine that cant handle it? maybe you should get off dial up and get rid of the radeon .5gb 4xxx gfx card and the 2.0 ghz processor. sucks your homeless and play at the library but maybe you should join the work force. then you'll have money enough to buy the 200 dollar gfx card to run this game in high settins with zero delay whatsoever.

- plague of gil spammers coupled with guilds selling content to losers (who probably buy gil to pay to have the game played for them)

um what other game doesnt have this? and you can report them and there is 1 gm on each server at all times, if youd report them and stop being lazy and just blocking them, they get banned pretty fucking quick.

- I despise the 2.5s GCD (more of a personal pref thing than a true problem, I guess)

2.5s cooldown for casters at lvl 1, no buffs, no food, no potions. at lvl 50 with buffs/potions/food, its half that. and besides the endgame is a lot of positioning/target awareness, if the GC was under 1s this game would be easy mode.

Endgame consists of:
- grind out relic weapon - some marginally interesting encounters you'll do once (unless you stick around to alt and repeat)

50k for a crafter to make it. if you dont have it, do the quests and stfu, everyone else did. did you expect them to hand it to you?


- grinding/exploiting/speed running CM, which is one of the most feeble and lame excuses for a "raid" ever created (which is why people do it and not other content - easy tombstones).  Boring.  Waste of time.  If this is your idea of good gaming...wow.

grinding CM? so you can get the ilvl 55 gear? yea no shit you can speed run it when ppl have ilvl 90 gear from the higher raids. you dont even fucking have to do it. you can skip it and go to a higher lvl raid, CM is the first basic stepping stone into endgame and with the influx of newer players, yea a ton of ppl speed run it to get the gear so they can do the next raid, and so on and so forth


- grinding/speed running AK, which is miserable due to excessive amounts of boring trash mobs - but hey, at least it drops some gear!

HEY just what i said to your last problem, everyone is on the next step up. go hit turn 3/4 see how many ppl speed run it BECAUSE NOT A SINGLE SERVER HAS YET TO COMPLETE TURN 5. 

- grind ifrit into dust to get your weapon you'll use for a few hours before you finish relic

then dont fucking do it pussy, get your relic weapon. good god.


- maybe, once in a great while, doing any of the other endgamish content even though they're not efficient - and that's all that really matters, isn't it?  Being efficient, taking the easiest road to the fastest gear - must get yours - must win the race.

do i have to answer this? this is the worst post ive ever read on here but the most fun ive had answering because it proves that youve never played the game past scion, and are a wow nerd raging that ppl are leaving. the developer of this game wants to have more DOW/DOM(disciples of war, disciples of magic) i doubt you knew what those stood for because you obviously havent played the game

well he wants more DOW/DOM classes than were in ff11, which was 22/23? right now theres 8. expect massive content updates, hell look at 2.1, not even an expansion and releasing arena pvp(1 form of the planned 3 forms of pvp) new raids, new dungeons, housing. seriously kid. before you troll post learn your shit.

 Using a different colored text would definitely help people try to read your rant about his rant. Here, let me help.


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  Mtibbs1989

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9/23/13 2:38:39 AM#60
Originally posted by Papaprika

One big problem. I see so many people defending this game: "Oh the world is alive with the birds etc.." And the guys proving them wrong: "The birds are just piped in music, and the NPCS just stand there", and then the fan bois: "Oh no, but you see it is a Final Fantasy titles, and the NPCS are there like in all mmorpts. So it is legit"....

 

All I have to say is this to you diaper loaders: SUPER NINTENDO Final Fantasy FRANCHISE HAS NPC'S THAT MOVE AND WALK! YUP! - I am sorry but the old nintendo cartridge game is more alive than this sorry excuse of a game. They even have REAL BIRDS in the nintendo versions. Any one remember FF6 with the house that had the pigeons flying around it and the sounds they make? They even had dogs running around that bark... *sigh* It is sad this generation that opens brain and let's consumer dihareah unload in it. That about sums up this game. Diahreah in a box. Enjoy. 

 Thank god NPCs aren't always moving. That'd be quite annoying trying to find where the hell the NPC randomly walked off to lol. You can make the world alive in other ways than just walking chattering NPCs. Things like a real day night cycle and realistic weather within the game that actually serve a point with things like gathering. They all add up.


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