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  capatais777

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10/03/13 10:27:19 AM#21
Originally posted by Shadanwolf
Originally posted by Informer80

ArcheAge -> 2014

Black Desert -> 2016/2017

Discussion over!

Exactly.

 

to come to america? you have 100% correct fountain confirmed and oficial? i need both games !!

  wizyy

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10/03/13 10:31:33 AM#22
Been following ArcheAge for years, but sadly now it looks like it will be a game to pass some time until Black Desert releases.
  capatais777

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10/03/13 10:38:26 AM#23
Originally posted by wizyy
Been following ArcheAge for years, but sadly now it looks like it will be a game to pass some time until Black Desert releases.

what you want mean with this?

  Shauneepeak

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10/03/13 10:41:36 AM#24
Originally posted by Sovrath
Originally posted by Professor78

Archeage due to ability to upload own images into the game world.. Seem about par on everything else.

 

 

I would actually say that's a negative.

I don't want a starbucks in my game world. Or whatever other horror some players might try to create. I applaud the idea of players having creative control in theory but in practice they are just going to make the game world ugly. Provided that Trion allows this.

@op: who knows? We know very little of Black Desert. I would say for "look" I am going with Black Desert.

 

Until I find out that there are motor cars or some such thing. This is not to say I think ArcheAge is bad. Just not my taste.

Totally agree with this. Archeage looks fun but I feel being able to build just about whatever you want will totally throw me out of the immersion if only they would have left it at gliders and epic sea battles but now we have motorcars and Starbucks.

So Black Desert gets my vote.

  cnutemp

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10/03/13 11:25:16 AM#25
Originally posted by Shauneepeak
Originally posted by Sovrath
Originally posted by Professor78

Archeage due to ability to upload own images into the game world.. Seem about par on everything else.

 

 

I would actually say that's a negative.

I don't want a starbucks in my game world. Or whatever other horror some players might try to create. I applaud the idea of players having creative control in theory but in practice they are just going to make the game world ugly. Provided that Trion allows this.

@op: who knows? We know very little of Black Desert. I would say for "look" I am going with Black Desert.

 

Until I find out that there are motor cars or some such thing. This is not to say I think ArcheAge is bad. Just not my taste.

Totally agree with this. Archeage looks fun but I feel being able to build just about whatever you want will totally throw me out of the immersion if only they would have left it at gliders and epic sea battles but now we have motorcars and Starbucks.

So Black Desert gets my vote.

Being able to build w/e you want is better than not being able to build at all.

Housing in black desert is in static/limited places and you will pretty much lose your house after 3 months regardless if you pay your upkeep or not..

  wizyy

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10/03/13 11:28:12 AM#26
Originally posted by capatais777
Originally posted by wizyy
Been following ArcheAge for years, but sadly now it looks like it will be a game to pass some time until Black Desert releases.

what you want mean with this?

I mean I loved the game how it looked at start - mix-and-match class system, exploration without any loading screens, naval combat, Kraken, sieges, open world PvP and even farming.

What I seriously dislike is the recent tendency for goofy and completely out of place things like bikinis, race cars, french maid costume, brick instead of head and the ability to put your own pictures which lead to things like Starbucks and will lead (at western release) to so many obscene pictures that GMs will have to dedicate all their time to remove those pictures and won't have time for helping players. 

  Shauneepeak

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Joined: 7/22/09
Posts: 426

10/03/13 11:51:31 AM#27
Originally posted by cnutemp
Originally posted by Shauneepeak
Originally posted by Sovrath
Originally posted by Professor78

Archeage due to ability to upload own images into the game world.. Seem about par on everything else.

 

 

I would actually say that's a negative.

I don't want a starbucks in my game world. Or whatever other horror some players might try to create. I applaud the idea of players having creative control in theory but in practice they are just going to make the game world ugly. Provided that Trion allows this.

@op: who knows? We know very little of Black Desert. I would say for "look" I am going with Black Desert.

 

Until I find out that there are motor cars or some such thing. This is not to say I think ArcheAge is bad. Just not my taste.

Totally agree with this. Archeage looks fun but I feel being able to build just about whatever you want will totally throw me out of the immersion if only they would have left it at gliders and epic sea battles but now we have motorcars and Starbucks.

So Black Desert gets my vote.

Being able to build w/e you want is better than not being able to build at all.

Housing in black desert is in static/limited places and you will pretty much lose your house after 3 months regardless if you pay your upkeep or not..

There is no upkeep to pay once you put the money down the house is yours until the next auction. I actually like it this way it forces people to actually work hard to maintain what they earned instead of simply earning a bunch of money buying the biggest house and calling it a day.

Also how would you go about housing in an open non-instanced world with limited land? If everyone was able to buy a house permanently what would happen when the houses/land run out and new players are totally left without that option.

Should your house get bought out from under you it's not the end of the world you don't lose anything you bought for it, your furniture or tools if you made it into a shop simply go into storage and you could always find another house heading up to auction.

The housing is one of the big complaints I see about Black Desert but I actually think Pearl Abyss' way of handling it is well thought out and fair.

  Leemado

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Joined: 6/19/13
Posts: 8

10/03/13 11:57:28 AM#28

Both of them seem interesting.

The archeage class system looks very good. Black dessert has amazing graphics

  cnutemp

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Joined: 7/01/12
Posts: 232

10/03/13 12:03:11 PM#29
Originally posted by Shauneepeak
Originally posted by cnutemp
Originally posted by Shauneepeak
Originally posted by Sovrath
Originally posted by Professor78

Archeage due to ability to upload own images into the game world.. Seem about par on everything else.

 

 

I would actually say that's a negative.

I don't want a starbucks in my game world. Or whatever other horror some players might try to create. I applaud the idea of players having creative control in theory but in practice they are just going to make the game world ugly. Provided that Trion allows this.

@op: who knows? We know very little of Black Desert. I would say for "look" I am going with Black Desert.

 

Until I find out that there are motor cars or some such thing. This is not to say I think ArcheAge is bad. Just not my taste.

Totally agree with this. Archeage looks fun but I feel being able to build just about whatever you want will totally throw me out of the immersion if only they would have left it at gliders and epic sea battles but now we have motorcars and Starbucks.

So Black Desert gets my vote.

Being able to build w/e you want is better than not being able to build at all.

Housing in black desert is in static/limited places and you will pretty much lose your house after 3 months regardless if you pay your upkeep or not..

There is no upkeep to pay once you put the money down the house is yours until the next auction. I actually like it this way it forces people to actually work hard to maintain what they earned instead of simply earning a bunch of money buying the biggest house and calling it a day.

Also how would you go about housing in an open non-instanced world with limited land? If everyone was able to buy a house permanently what would happen when the houses/land run out and new players are totally left without that option.

Should your house get bought out from under you it's not the end of the world you don't lose anything you bought for it, your furniture or tools if you made it into a shop simply go into storage and you could always find another house heading up to auction.

The housing is one of the big complaints I see about Black Desert but I actually think Pearl Abyss' way of handling it is well thought out and fair.

Sounds like a terrible system.  I don't want to compete with chinese gold sellers when I'm trying to buy a house.  Also who said anything about keeping a house permanently?  That's the point of upkeep.  Don't pay upkeep? Your house goes away.  Your making an assumption that if an MMO does not have a system where players are competing with gold farmers every 3 months for their house, the only other system is that they would keep their house forever for free.

EVERY other mmo that does housing does it through some form of upkeep.  Not players vs China/RMT

  Shauneepeak

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10/03/13 1:30:58 PM#30
Originally posted by cnutemp

Sounds like a terrible system.  I don't want to compete with chinese gold sellers when I'm trying to buy a house.  Also who said anything about keeping a house permanently?  That's the point of upkeep.  Don't pay upkeep? Your house goes away.  Your making an assumption that if an MMO does not have a system where players are competing with gold farmers every 3 months for their house, the only other system is that they would keep their house forever for free.

EVERY other mmo that does housing does it through some form of upkeep.  Not players vs China/RMT

Gold Sellers wouldn't be buying houses to begin with that would be taking away from their profit also the vast Majority of Gold sellers don't even play them game themselves they set up a bunch of computers all running Bots for the game while sending out Phishing emails to hack accounts and steal other players Gold and items. Gold sellers don't care about the game so they wouldn't care about the housing.

Now Gold buyers on the other hand are a big issue but Pearl Abyss may very well make buying Gold and items with IRL cash against the rules and bannable so that would solve that.

 

Also you didn't answer my question how would you go about housing in an open non-instanced world with limited land?

 

You say that "EVERY other mmo that does housing does it through some form of upkeep." well every MMO that is popular and active that I can think of has INSTANCED housing so you are not competing with other players for property so yes simply having an upkeep to keep your house is viable and creates a nice Gold sink. However in Black Desert housing is limited so as I said if you could just buy a house and keep it(even if it had an upkeep) would be extremely unfair because sooner rather than later housing would run out, even if some Noob didn't have enough money for his upkeep and lost the house he paid so much for it would quickly be bought up and it would be the same thing again.

So for a game with non-instanced Limited housing in the actual open game world I still feel Pearl Abyss is handling it pretty damn well.

Also anyone who can't buy an actual house still has housing everyone starts with a tent that can be propped up anywhere out side of a city and they're even more shack than tent imagine the type of makeshift shacks people would make in the old Hoovervilles and that is closer to the picture.

  capatais777

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Joined: 10/03/13
Posts: 6

10/03/13 2:14:11 PM#31
Originally posted by Shauneepeak
Originally posted by cnutemp
Originally posted by Shauneepeak
Originally posted by Sovrath
Originally posted by Professor78

Archeage due to ability to upload own images into the game world.. Seem about par on everything else.

 

 

I would actually say that's a negative.

I don't want a starbucks in my game world. Or whatever other horror some players might try to create. I applaud the idea of players having creative control in theory but in practice they are just going to make the game world ugly. Provided that Trion allows this.

@op: who knows? We know very little of Black Desert. I would say for "look" I am going with Black Desert.

 

Until I find out that there are motor cars or some such thing. This is not to say I think ArcheAge is bad. Just not my taste.

Totally agree with this. Archeage looks fun but I feel being able to build just about whatever you want will totally throw me out of the immersion if only they would have left it at gliders and epic sea battles but now we have motorcars and Starbucks.

So Black Desert gets my vote.

Being able to build w/e you want is better than not being able to build at all.

Housing in black desert is in static/limited places and you will pretty much lose your house after 3 months regardless if you pay your upkeep or not..

There is no upkeep to pay once you put the money down the house is yours until the next auction. I actually like it this way it forces people to actually work hard to maintain what they earned instead of simply earning a bunch of money buying the biggest house and calling it a day.

Also how would you go about housing in an open non-instanced world with limited land? If everyone was able to buy a house permanently what would happen when the houses/land run out and new players are totally left without that option.

Should your house get bought out from under you it's not the end of the world you don't lose anything you bought for it, your furniture or tools if you made it into a shop simply go into storage and you could always find another house heading up to auction.

The housing is one of the big complaints I see about Black Desert but I actually think Pearl Abyss' way of handling it is well thought out and fair.

 

ops, you fail.

 

you need pay to maintein you farm, castle and house in archeage.

 

and then the GM can create more continente, in this game is total pvp world, so another player can destroy you house or stolen.

  Shauneepeak

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10/03/13 2:22:05 PM#32
  
Originally posted by capatais777

 

ops, you fail.

 

you need pay to maintein you farm, castle and house in archeage.

 

and then the GM can create more continente, in this game is total pvp world, so another player can destroy you house or stolen.

From everything I have read about Archeage while other players can visit your house/castle they are in their own instanced area of your design so they are not actually within the main world. The Castle/Fortresses in Black Desert can also be destroyed or taken over.

I am not sure if you are talking about Black Desert or Archeage for making the continent bigger if Black Desert yes that could solve the housing issue if they constantly added more land but that would be pretty hard to explain lore wise, though I am guessing they will expand the game at some point possibly with new continents so that could very well bring in more housing. Though again housing is limited so I feel the Black Desert housing model is fine.

  capatais777

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10/03/13 2:32:24 PM#33
Originally posted by Shauneepeak
  
Originally posted by capatais777

 

ops, you fail.

 

you need pay to maintein you farm, castle and house in archeage.

 

and then the GM can create more continente, in this game is total pvp world, so another player can destroy you house or stolen.

From everything I have read about Archeage while other players can visit your house/castle they are in their own instanced area of your design so they are not actually within the main world. The Castle/Fortresses in Black Desert can also be destroyed or taken over.

I am not sure if you are talking about Black Desert or Archeage for making the continent bigger if Black Desert yes that could solve the housing issue if they constantly added more land but that would be pretty hard to explain with the lore though I am guessing they will expand the game at some point possible with new continents so that could very well bring in more housing. Though again housing is limited so I feel the Black Desert housing model is fine.

 

 

in black desert only the door of the castle is destroyed, not the full castle, and you can't build a castle, so if they destroy you castle, how have a new castle in the world? on maximun you danify the castle to fix but not complete destroy

 

.the players in archeage can destroy or stolen you three animals house castle farm. and have to pay to stay.

 

in archeage they can make another land to constroi another houses, and have island too

  AmbrosiaAmor

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10/03/13 2:35:53 PM#34
I will try all three of them! As far as winning in the West™? There are no winners. :(

  joaokleber

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10/03/13 3:03:58 PM#35
what is westernization?
  cnutemp

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10/03/13 4:28:55 PM#36
Originally posted by Shauneepeak
Originally posted by cnutemp

 

Now Gold buyers on the other hand are a big issue but Pearl Abyss may very well make buying Gold and items with IRL cash against the rules and bannable so that would solve that.

Easier said than done.  No game out there is 100% bot proof.  Not even world of warcraft.  And if they cant stop botters with all their resources, you can bet that a small indy company like pearl abyss wont.  When the gold farmers invade this game the inflation will effect the rest of the economy and prices will skyrocket.  Want a house? Buy gold.  Want a bigger house? Buy more gold.  

And in Black Desert's case it will be buy gold every 3 months.

 

Also you didn't answer my question how would you go about housing in an open non-instanced world with limited land?

 Upkeep.  The more important the location/bigger the house the higher the price. EVE, xsyon, mortal online, darkfall, wurm (and archage when it comes out) all have non-instanced housing and use upkeep.

Also, in before none of the games I listed count because you don't like them.  There are very easy ways to make non instanced limited housing work.

EDIT - I also like how you correlate winning an auction with 'hard work'.  Black Desert is F2P.  Which means people winning auction will be winning it with $$$$ not grinding.

 

  LlexX

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10/03/13 4:39:18 PM#37
Originally posted by Shauneepeak
From everything I have read about Archeage while other players can visit your house/castle they are in their own instanced area of your design so they are not actually within the main world.

I have no idea from where are you getting these false infos.

In AA you are building houses and castles in the OPEN WORLD, there are no loading screens, and you can walk into anyones house (if the door is not closed), there won't be loading screen while walking in a house, since it's not instanced, same goes for castle.

  Apraxis

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10/03/13 4:43:44 PM#38
Originally posted by lucas12

 

who win in you opinion? why?

ArcheAge. Because we know what it is, and a release date in the west is coming sometimes soon.

We don't know anything in Detail about Black Desert.. it could become everything, or nothing for all we know. And, even more important.. it is not even in CB in Korea, they don't have any western publisher.. for all we know it will not release in the west in the next 3-5 years.

But.. i like the Trailers from Black Desert. I like the theme from Black Desert. And i would wish, it would be more sandboxish than ArcheAge and would be what i imagine. But as you see.. a lot of "woulds" and "ifs".. we just don't know enough.

  Jockan

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10/03/13 6:38:17 PM#39
Originally posted by wizyy
Originally posted by capatais777
Originally posted by wizyy
Been following ArcheAge for years, but sadly now it looks like it will be a game to pass some time until Black Desert releases.

what you want mean with this?

I mean I loved the game how it looked at start - mix-and-match class system, exploration without any loading screens, naval combat, Kraken, sieges, open world PvP and even farming.

What I seriously dislike is the recent tendency for goofy and completely out of place things like bikinis, race cars, french maid costume, brick instead of head and the ability to put your own pictures which lead to things like Starbucks and will lead (at western release) to so many obscene pictures that GMs will have to dedicate all their time to remove those pictures and won't have time for helping players. 

 

 

I still cant wait to play ArcheAge but Black Desert has taken the #1 spot for me. The game just looks amazing and I cant wait to see more.

  capatais777

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10/03/13 7:01:40 PM#40
Originally posted by Apraxis
Originally posted by lucas12

 

who win in you opinion? why?

ArcheAge. Because we know what it is, and a release date in the west is coming sometimes soon.

We don't know anything in Detail about Black Desert.. it could become everything, or nothing for all we know. And, even more important.. it is not even in CB in Korea, they don't have any western publisher.. for all we know it will not release in the west in the next 3-5 years.

But.. i like the Trailers from Black Desert. I like the theme from Black Desert. And i would wish, it would be more sandboxish than ArcheAge and would be what i imagine. But as you see.. a lot of "woulds" and "ifs".. we just don't know enough.

 

 

incorrect, black desert has been launched cbt in Korea, and probably become in 2015 to Ocident, the open beta or full game will launch in 2014 average

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