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General Discussion  » There Should Be A Petition For A True Open World Experience And Non-Restricted Open World PVP

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  User Deleted
9/23/13 12:24:49 PM#41
Originally posted by Iselin
Originally posted by Sleepyfish
Originally posted by Drakephire
Originally posted by Sleepyfish
Originally posted by Drakephire
Originally posted by Sleepyfish
Thats just the way this game is made, I dont like it either, probably won't play it unless something drastic happens, just looks like GW2 reskinned to me. But if they are happy with a 200k player base they are free to do whatever they want. 

Well at least that's more populated than the 10k players they'd have if it were OWPvP.

Even Worse it could have WOW, Lineage or EVE numbers.

The game model they are following will never match the population potential of OW

Were not talking about full loot Darkfall style, but the winning model is open world factions not closed, restricted RVR.

Then maybe you and I have a different understanding of what OW PvP. I thought OW meant all areas PvP all the time. 

Most if not all areas in WOW you could or had the potential to go pvp there so the world was in effect open world at least on the pvp servers. EVE pvp is not hard on new players because much like WOW its policed by a ton of NPC guards in high security zones. This is what makes them different from games like Darkfall where its open world full loot and burn your house down while they do disturbing things with your corpse. 

My problem with games like DAOC and GW2 is that that style of RVR devalues toons. PVP is unimportant because its just one big zerg warzone that has no impact and removes the thrill of world pvp. PVE is pointless because you dont need anything other than the story other than that you can just auto max level in the warzone. You end up like GW2 with a bunch of bored players detached from their toons or in denial waiting for the next monthly, meaningless pve event to get some more skins. 

I find it amazing that anyone would hold-up the WOW PVP system as an example of something good.

... the max level stealther who would kill all the auctioneers at the AH, restealth, hide and repeat when they re-spawned...

... the ones who would kill all the quest NPCs in lowbee areas...

... the ones that would camp a quest hub and kill everyone 40 or 50 levels below them...

Yeah... now that's manly PVP fun lol

And this bit... "...a bunch of bored players detached from their toons or in denial waiting for the..." scenario or dungeon to pop? hilarious

Tell it to someone who didn't play in a WOW PVP server... they might think you have a point...

Oh... and "zerg" is just code for "I like 15 minute scenarios and don't have a clue how to have fun in a 2-hour relic keep raid."

Do you think that it might be possible that these people who are developing these games have played as many or more MMOs than you, saw OWPVP for the pathetic gank-the-lowbee bore that it is and are designing something better?

...just a thought...

Its not just WOW its EVE,. L1, L2 the only thing that comes close are pure sandboxes like Second Life or Minecraft. 

Zerg is also code for the combat is terrible and boy I am sure tired of hitting this wall or this getting boring after doing it 5000 times a week to justify this games existence. It also might be possible you are hyper sensitive and are projecting your fears of being "Ganked".

  LizardEgypt

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Hmm ?

9/23/13 12:28:38 PM#42
Designing a game that punishes players for questionable morality is a lot different than making a game where you have absolutely no pvp options. There's nothing I hate more than phasing shards and not being able to see people standing right in front of me, what is the point?

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  PAL-18

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9/23/13 12:58:38 PM#43
Originally posted by LizardEgypt
Designing a game that punishes players for questionable morality is a lot different than making a game where you have absolutely no pvp options. There's nothing I hate more than phasing shards and not being able to see people standing right in front of me, what is the point?

Thats pretty much what todays MMOs are all about. Like going to church where everybody sings Hallelujah while holding each others hands.

Conan is turning over in his grave 500 rounds per minute while this madness continues.

 

 

 

So, did ESO have a successful launch? Yes, yes it did.
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  Zanthorn

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The problem with games is the "gamers" that play them.

9/23/13 11:05:08 PM#44
Originally posted by Macrinus101

I don't know what is wrong with these mindless developers, they are real idiots. The fact that you cannot see the enemy faction when you enter their territory makes no damn sense at all, things like this are virtually unheard of in all MMO's. Also the fact that all PVP is restricted to Cryrodil and your gear automatically scales in Cyrodil so everything is balanced, that part is fine but I want true open world pvp with no gear changes. Why the hell can't we have a game that allows all factions to play with each other? Since they are using shards, the PVE places would simply have a flagging system for pvp outside of Cyrodiil and a PVP Shard will have unrestricted pvp. I am really disapointed with this game, I was really looking foward to a first person MMORPG that doesn't have garbage gameplay (Darkfall unholy wars but still, I never played that). I really liked the gameplay in Skyrim and an Elder scrolls mmo with gameplay like that would be amazing but with all these stupid restrictions, this MMO will feel BORING.

I wanna see the enemy faction in their zones and I don't want all pvp restricted to Cyrodiil. Screw this game, at least there are true unrestricted open world sandbox type MMO's like Black Desert Online and EQ Next being made, sadly, these fantasy MMO's will probably not have a first person view that you can actually play in and see your sword/shield/staff.

Really, what do you call this:

And this:

Or, how about this:

 

  User Deleted
9/24/13 12:07:01 AM#45
Originally posted by Zanthorn
Originally posted by Macrinus101

I don't know what is wrong with these mindless developers, they are real idiots. The fact that you cannot see the enemy faction when you enter their territory makes no damn sense at all, things like this are virtually unheard of in all MMO's. Also the fact that all PVP is restricted to Cryrodil and your gear automatically scales in Cyrodil so everything is balanced, that part is fine but I want true open world pvp with no gear changes. Why the hell can't we have a game that allows all factions to play with each other? Since they are using shards, the PVE places would simply have a flagging system for pvp outside of Cyrodiil and a PVP Shard will have unrestricted pvp. I am really disapointed with this game, I was really looking foward to a first person MMORPG that doesn't have garbage gameplay (Darkfall unholy wars but still, I never played that). I really liked the gameplay in Skyrim and an Elder scrolls mmo with gameplay like that would be amazing but with all these stupid restrictions, this MMO will feel BORING.

I wanna see the enemy faction in their zones and I don't want all pvp restricted to Cyrodiil. Screw this game, at least there are true unrestricted open world sandbox type MMO's like Black Desert Online and EQ Next being made, sadly, these fantasy MMO's will probably not have a first person view that you can actually play in and see your sword/shield/staff.

Really, what do you call this:

And this:

Or, how about this:

 

 

Trash mobs.  

  Grixxitt

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9/24/13 2:20:03 PM#46

I've been a pretty vocal advocate of an open world PvP server here and on the 2 official forums but I would never deem to mandate how other people play the game.

IMO more choices are always better, and a "one size fits most" attitude doesn't really work when it comes to PvP. 

 

 

 

In short, let us pick which server type we want to play on. 

The above is my personal opinion. Anyone displaying a view contrary to my opinion is obviously WRONG and should STHU. (neener neener)

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  lizardbones

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9/24/13 2:54:20 PM#47


Originally posted by PAL-18

Originally posted by lizardbones  

Originally posted by Macrinus101 I don't know what is wrong with these mindless developers, they are real idiots. The fact that you cannot see the enemy faction when you enter their territory makes no damn sense at all, things like this are virtually unheard of in all MMO's. Also the fact that all PVP is restricted to Cryrodil and your gear automatically scales in Cyrodil so everything is balanced, that part is fine but I want true open world pvp with no gear changes. Why the hell can't we have a game that allows all factions to play with each other? Since they are using shards, the PVE places would simply have a flagging system for pvp outside of Cyrodiil and a PVP Shard will have unrestricted pvp. I am really disapointed with this game, I was really looking foward to a first person MMORPG that doesn't have garbage gameplay (Darkfall unholy wars but still, I never played that). I really liked the gameplay in Skyrim and an Elder scrolls mmo with gameplay like that would be amazing but with all these stupid restrictions, this MMO will feel BORING.   I wanna see the enemy faction in their zones and I don't want all pvp restricted to Cyrodiil. Screw this game, at least there are true unrestricted open world sandbox type MMO's like Black Desert Online and EQ Next being made, sadly, these fantasy MMO's will probably not have a first person view that you can actually play in and see your sword/shield/staff.
I feel reasonably certain that what they want to do is make a game that their customers like, rather than a game that a small number of people would be willing to pay for. That way they can make more games, feed their families and in general feel good about themselves.  
Thats exactly what OP is asking and he is wondering why they are not making such game,pretty sure you noticed that.

 




He's in the smaller group, not the larger group.

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  CthulhuPuffs

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9/24/13 3:30:13 PM#48
Im fine with the PvP being designated to one giant zone (Cyrodiil). What I dont like is that the rest of the World is restricted depending on your Race/Faction.

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  PAL-18

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9/24/13 3:41:44 PM#49
Originally posted by lizardbones

 


Originally posted by PAL-18



He's in the smaller group, not the larger group.
 

Ahhaa that makes sense,so this is a WoW killer and if its not then you were wrong and smaller group was actually right.

 

So, did ESO have a successful launch? Yes, yes it did.
By Ryan Getchell on April 02, 2014.
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  Voqar

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9/24/13 3:48:16 PM#50
Originally posted by jerlot65
I guess we could reverse the arguement and say we dont know whats wrong with these mindless "anything goes" pvper's......

They're psychotic?

 

I personally can't fathom the mindset of I want to kill, kill, kill everyone, grief, grief, loot their bodies, camp their graveyards, misery, hate, etc.  Go play GTA5 or something...

 

It wouldn't bother me if this type of gameplay existed - as long as it was contained particular server(s) and easily avoidable by people who aren't deranged and future serial killers.

Premium MMORPGs do not feature built-in cheating via cash for gold pay 2 win. PLAY to win or don't play.

  lizardbones

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9/24/13 3:55:21 PM#51


Originally posted by PAL-18

Originally posted by lizardbones  

Originally posted by PAL-18



He's in the smaller group, not the larger group.  
Ahhaa that makes sense,so this is a WoW killer and if its not then you were wrong and smaller group was actually right.

 




What does WoW have to do with anything?

Of the people who are playing ESO, the group that wants the whole PvP thing are the smaller group.

I can not remember winning or losing a single debate on the internet.

  PAL-18

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9/24/13 3:57:08 PM#52
Originally posted by lizardbones

 


Originally posted by PAL-18

Originally posted by lizardbones  

Originally posted by PAL-18



He's in the smaller group, not the larger group.  
Ahhaa that makes sense,so this is a WoW killer and if its not then you were wrong and smaller group was actually right.

 

 




What does WoW have to do with anything?

Of the people who are playing ESO, the group that wants the whole PvP thing are the smaller group.

 

Pretty sure none is playing it and pretty sure that peeps who wants multi-player game wants also to multi-play.

 

So, did ESO have a successful launch? Yes, yes it did.
By Ryan Getchell on April 02, 2014.
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  superconducting

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9/24/13 10:28:34 PM#53
Originally posted by Macrinus101

I don't know what is wrong with these mindless developers, they are real idiots. The fact that you cannot see the enemy faction when you enter their territory makes no damn sense at all, things like this are virtually unheard of in all MMO's. Also the fact that all PVP is restricted to Cryrodil and your gear automatically scales in Cyrodil so everything is balanced, that part is fine but I want true open world pvp with no gear changes. Why the hell can't we have a game that allows all factions to play with each other? Since they are using shards, the PVE places would simply have a flagging system for pvp outside of Cyrodiil and a PVP Shard will have unrestricted pvp. I am really disapointed with this game, I was really looking foward to a first person MMORPG that doesn't have garbage gameplay (Darkfall unholy wars but still, I never played that). I really liked the gameplay in Skyrim and an Elder scrolls mmo with gameplay like that would be amazing but with all these stupid restrictions, this MMO will feel BORING.

I wanna see the enemy faction in their zones and I don't want all pvp restricted to Cyrodiil. Screw this game, at least there are true unrestricted open world sandbox type MMO's like Black Desert Online and EQ Next being made, sadly, these fantasy MMO's will probably not have a first person view that you can actually play in and see your sword/shield/staff.


Guess what? If you want open-world PvP, I've got news for you...

ESO is NOT the game for you. So get over it, move on.

  9Prejudice

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9/24/13 10:33:52 PM#54
Originally posted by Macrinus101

I don't know what is wrong with these mindless developers, they are real idiots. The fact that you cannot see the enemy faction when you enter their territory makes no damn sense at all, things like this are virtually unheard of in all MMO's. Also the fact that all PVP is restricted to Cryrodil and your gear automatically scales in Cyrodil so everything is balanced, that part is fine but I want true open world pvp with no gear changes. Why the hell can't we have a game that allows all factions to play with each other? Since they are using shards, the PVE places would simply have a flagging system for pvp outside of Cyrodiil and a PVP Shard will have unrestricted pvp. I am really disapointed with this game, I was really looking foward to a first person MMORPG that doesn't have garbage gameplay (Darkfall unholy wars but still, I never played that). I really liked the gameplay in Skyrim and an Elder scrolls mmo with gameplay like that would be amazing but with all these stupid restrictions, this MMO will feel BORING.

I wanna see the enemy faction in their zones and I don't want all pvp restricted to Cyrodiil. Screw this game, at least there are true unrestricted open world sandbox type MMO's like Black Desert Online and EQ Next being made, sadly, these fantasy MMO's will probably not have a first person view that you can actually play in and see your sword/shield/staff.

Blablablablabla...all I hear is you want this you want that. Nobody really cares about what you want. You want a petition, go start one. Oh what? You were hoping someone would start one for you?  

  xanthmetis

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Joined: 8/07/13
Posts: 128

9/24/13 10:43:46 PM#55

I wish there would be some channels or w/e they are using for unrestricted pvp.  I really do feel it takes away for the game for my playstyle.  It also decreases immersion.  I would love to see some dark elves venture into my area if I were wood elf and eat them.  Or be extra nervous venturing into other fractions zones.  Is there structured pvp/battleground in this game?  I mainly pvp, but do not like zerg fest like gw2 3 faction pvp, which kind of reminds me of what ESO (yes I know there are differences) :).

 

  User Deleted
9/25/13 12:42:28 AM#56

What is this "everyone" nonsense? I know that RVR has a following but its marginal at best. We are talking about the DAOC, GW2 and the WAR model to a degree. Not open world factions like most popular pvp games use. Right now as is DAOC is under 50k subs, WAR is probably lower and GW2 is lucky to have 200k if that but they wont release active accounts probably for a reason. If were talking about a popularity contest these games cannot even compete with Runescape or SWTOR  and SWTOR is nearly dead itself. 

For people who do pvp besides the veteran DAOC nostalgia vets restrictions are never good. You wont get a single convert from RIFT, WOW, EVE, Lineage you will just siphon off from existing RVR player fanbases and at max even if you round up every DAOC vet on earth and combine them with the current GW2 player base will still be under 400k. 

You also will not win over Elder scrolls Vets who know full well this is a Zenimax cash grab that feels absolutely nothing like the single player games. I can probably guess correctly that more people purchased morrowind then will ever buy this game. 

  keithian

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9/25/13 2:31:08 AM#57
Originally posted by Sleepyfish

What is this "everyone" nonsense? I know that RVR has a following but its marginal at best. We are talking about the DAOC, GW2 and the WAR model to a degree. Not open world factions like most popular pvp games use. Right now as is DAOC is under 50k subs, WAR is probably lower and GW2 is lucky to have 200k if that but they wont release active accounts probably for a reason. If were talking about a popularity contest these games cannot even compete with Runescape or SWTOR  and SWTOR is nearly dead itself. 

For people who do pvp besides the veteran DAOC nostalgia vets restrictions are never good. You wont get a single convert from RIFT, WOW, EVE, Lineage you will just siphon off from existing RVR player fanbases and at max even if you round up every DAOC vet on earth and combine them with the current GW2 player base will still be under 400k. 

You also will not win over Elder scrolls Vets who know full well this is a Zenimax cash grab that feels absolutely nothing like the single player games. I can probably guess correctly that more people purchased morrowind then will ever buy this game. 

1) WTF does introducing a PVP feature that wasn't in the single player games have to do with Elder Scroll Vets who care more about the PVE feel?

2) Please stop posting baseless facts. If you have a link that shows evidence of volume of users who prefer RVR versus battlegrounds, supply that, otherwise, your comment is speculation at best.

3) You do realize Warhammer had more people wasting time in battlegrounds which people whined forever during the first 3-6 months that not enough folks had an incentive to do RVR, right? Not sure you have even played the games you are talking about.

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  User Deleted
9/25/13 3:47:11 AM#58
Originally posted by keithian
Originally posted by Sleepyfish

What is this "everyone" nonsense? I know that RVR has a following but its marginal at best. We are talking about the DAOC, GW2 and the WAR model to a degree. Not open world factions like most popular pvp games use. Right now as is DAOC is under 50k subs, WAR is probably lower and GW2 is lucky to have 200k if that but they wont release active accounts probably for a reason. If were talking about a popularity contest these games cannot even compete with Runescape or SWTOR  and SWTOR is nearly dead itself. 

For people who do pvp besides the veteran DAOC nostalgia vets restrictions are never good. You wont get a single convert from RIFT, WOW, EVE, Lineage you will just siphon off from existing RVR player fanbases and at max even if you round up every DAOC vet on earth and combine them with the current GW2 player base will still be under 400k. 

You also will not win over Elder scrolls Vets who know full well this is a Zenimax cash grab that feels absolutely nothing like the single player games. I can probably guess correctly that more people purchased morrowind then will ever buy this game. 

1) WTF does introducing a PVP feature that wasn't in the single player games have to do with Elder Scroll Vets who care more about the PVE feel?

2) Please stop posting baseless facts. If you have a link that shows evidence of volume of users who prefer RVR versus battlegrounds, supply that, otherwise, your comment is speculation at best.

3) You do realize Warhammer had more people wasting time in battlegrounds which people whined forever during the first 3-6 months that not enough folks had an incentive to do RVR, right? Not sure you have even played the games you are talking about.

You are obviously trying to start a fight rather than prove me wrong. Anything I said can be backed up by the actual sub numbers those games have today. Other than that you tend to just be commenting on words you see and not reading anything and I dont feel the need to respond to your hypersensitive rage. 

  sapphen

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Joined: 1/06/07
Posts: 920

9/25/13 10:30:58 AM#59
Originally posted by Comaf

It's not nice to call Matt Firor's team idiots.  He invented Realm vs Realm vs Realm.  What have you done?

Nope, nope, nope ~ Matt did NOT invent RvRvR.  I'm not getting in the middle of this discussion but I can let this claim go unchallenged.

  lizardbones

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9/25/13 11:25:47 AM#60


Originally posted by PAL-18

Originally posted by lizardbones  

Originally posted by PAL-18

Originally posted by lizardbones  

Originally posted by PAL-18



He's in the smaller group, not the larger group.  
Ahhaa that makes sense,so this is a WoW killer and if its not then you were wrong and smaller group was actually right.    
What does WoW have to do with anything? Of the people who are playing ESO, the group that wants the whole PvP thing are the smaller group.  
Pretty sure none is playing it and pretty sure that peeps who wants multi-player game wants also to multi-play.

 




Of the people who want to play it. I'm sure there are very few people playing it right now.

You show me the evidence for the group of PvP MMORPG players being larger than the group of PvE MMORPG players, and I would concede that you have a point in there somewhere.

If you can show me all the Elder Scrolls PvP videos from Skyrim, Oblivion or Morrowwind and I'd conceded that you have a point in there somewhere.

There are more people who prefer PvE or Consensual PvP to people who want Always On PvP. There are zero people who have played a recent Elder Scrolls PvP game. If you go back to Battlespire, there are slightly more than zero people.

I can not remember winning or losing a single debate on the internet.

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