General Discussion

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Originally posted by RaistlinVII

This is not intended to flame you, but I just have to say that I find it ammusing that one of the few CU supporters has an EQ2 pic in his sig. No wonder you like it.

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I have already stated I beleive it was a mistake and I do not like them expanding the level system as they did so I am not sure how you could come to that conclusion. Considering how many negative things I have had to say about the CU I am not even sure where you get I am a supporter of it.

HOWEVER I will not sit here and mindlessly flame it without laying down any real facts on why I don't like it. I am not just gonna sit here and rant all day "SOE SUX!!111" and "the CU DOWNGRADE IS HORRIBLE". I have argued some peoples posts that honestly I found completely untrue. You can like the CU or you can dislike it, but don't sit there ranting like a mindless drone and expect me to respect your opinion.

BTW, no offense taken.

My apologies, I saw the EQ2 pic and made a foolish assumption. You are absolutely correct. In fact, if you go back to I think the first page or two and look at my first post you will see that I posted a rather lengthy post with good descriptions of the reasons I feel that the CU is not right for this game. Indeed, the mindless and angry rants only serve to hurt the cause. New to this, so maybe you can just search my posts. It's a good read.

Edited because I see you actually replied to it after I posted it, lol. So I guess you already know it's a reasonable thought out read.

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Originally posted by Fadeus

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Originally posted by RaistlinVII

This is not intended to flame you, but I just have to say that I find it ammusing that one of the few CU supporters has an EQ2 pic in his sig. No wonder you like it.

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I have already stated I beleive it was a mistake and I do not like them expanding the level system as they did so I am not sure how you could come to that conclusion. Considering how many negative things I have had to say about the CU I am not even sure where you get I am a supporter of it.

HOWEVER I will not sit here and mindlessly flame it without laying down any real facts on why I don't like it. I am not just gonna sit here and rant all day "SOE SUX!!111" and "the CU DOWNGRADE IS HORRIBLE". I have argued some peoples posts that honestly I found completely untrue. You can like the CU or you can dislike it, but don't sit there ranting like a mindless drone and expect me to respect your opinion.

BTW, no offense taken.

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I"m a new guy here so my opinion prolly doesn't mean to much, but will spit it out anyways.

I really don't see Fadeus flaming anyone here.  If anything, he seems to have the most reasoned posts in these threads.  He's shown his obvious disdain of many of the changes to the Combat Upgrade. 

Yet at the same time he says SWG needed change.  And I don't think anyone with sanity would admit that SWG was perfect.  It was in need of change.... BADLY.  Yet what was originally a great product was suddenly gutted by some horrid ideas (damage multipliers, CL's, crafter alienation, etc.) and horrid customer relations (Tiggs arrogance that only 50 people opposed the CU, etc.)  If you read the reasoned responses, most people will say a lot of the CU is good, it's just that there's probably only 5 real beefs, and those 5 beefs make or break the system.

So let's have a bit of sanity when discussing these issues.  Just my opinion.

I do have one question for all of you burned SWGers.
If SOE did role back the CU would you stay with the game?
Would you put your trust - and money, and time - in a company that would do something like this in the first place?
To awnser my own question, I'd think twice before ever purchasing an SOE product. But I'm wondering what you guys think about it.

i sincerely hope that the posted interview was a 'shortened' version....

Jedi characters(the supposedly 'elite' players) were not mentioned at all.  The Cu has made grinding jedi skill boxes all but impossible.... Pre-CU, I could average 150k xp per hour... now I have great difficulty averaging 20k xp per hour.

My defenses = decreased, my damage output = decreased, my ability to earn xp = decreased, variety and availability of creatures that reward xp = decreased, ability to fightb multiple opponents simultaneously = practically gone, xp requirements for jedi profession skills = unchanged.

Regular ground professions can earn 3k-5k xp per creature, and 4th tier skill boxes are 450k(avg) xp to earn.... Jedi's earn less than 1k per creature, and 4th tier skill boxes are 1.6 million xp.  Where's the balance in that? Also, jedi is the only profession that actually lose xp(and can have a negative xp total) for dying.  No other profession suffers such severe penalties.

As for the 'grouping' thing.... ok... your young jedi groups with his/her buddies/guildmates and heads out for some combat fun... so... you earn 60k xp in a short time... then, because of the visibility you collected from your group, the Bounty Hunters come along, kill you, and you lose 200k xp. While the BH's are attacking you(up to 5 of them at once)... your friends are powerless to assist you... all they can do is watch you die in a loud, grotesque manner.  So... you actually lost 140k xp for doing what SOE believes it right?...  That isn't balance... it's just stupid.