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So many people posting about SWG recently .... it does not matter if its pro or con .. but its obviously a universe you love ...

You love SWG  .... or you love to hate SWG .... but its hard to be indifferent. Which means ... even if you love to hate it ... its because you WOULD like to love it, but something soured the experience for you. But you are still passionate about it .. enough to post here.

Have fun

Erillion

SOE Forum poll that was up when CU was on the test servers.

On a scale of 1-5, with 5 being Exceptionally fun and 1 being Not fun, rate how much fun you had playing Combat Upgrade during your last play session.
748 Vote(s) 1 - Not fun at all (75%)
86 Vote(s) 5 - Exceptionally Fun (9%)
59 Vote(s) 2 (6%)
52 Vote(s) 3 (5%)
51 Vote(s) 4 (5%)
Total Votes: 996

April 23rd 03:00 PST - April 24th 06:00 PST
3 days before the CU went live on April 27th.
The numbers speak for them selfs.

R.I.P SWG April 27th 2005

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Originally posted by Erillion
So many people posting about SWG recently .... it does not matter if its pro or con .. but its obviously a universe you love ...
You love SWG .... or you love to hate SWG .... but its hard to be indifferent. Which means ... even if you love to hate it ... its because you WOULD like to love it, but something soured the experience for you. But you are still passionate about it .. enough to post here.
Have fun
Erillion

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You're absolutely right. I do LOVE the SWG universe, I love what it was, and I love the alternate life I have created within it. I love the fact that I have made many different friends from all over the world that I interact with on a daily basis. And I have hope for it's future, which is why I have not cancelled any accounts. And when something of this magnitude threatens it, I do get passionate.

Almost like patriotism. I love my country, but if the government one day decided to totally change the way we live, telling us we can no longer be self employed, but instead we have to start partering up in order to make a living, you'd be darned right I'd be the first to protest on the white house lawn!!!

Okay, I don't know who this guy thinks he is, but omnipotence and omniscience do not number among his abilities.  Not all of us who play SWG number among the Year Plus Vets.  Some, like me, have only been playing for a little over a month or less time.  I ADORED the game when I picked it up in late March.  It was challenging, deep, flexible, immersive and amazingly fun.  Truely, it was everything it was advertised to be.  It was MY adventure, in the Star Wars galaxy.

The key word here is WAS.

Julio here would have you believe that the new game wrapped very thinly in the Star Wars skin is more engaging and better enables players to "live the adventure".  That couldn't be further from the truth. 

*The very authentic Star Wars sounds are gone, replaced by cheezy generic sci-fi sound effects. 

*The very intuitive, easy-to-learn icons have been replaced with these bouncy, fantasy-themed mystery-icons that confuse most people, both veteran and novice alike...and which give some of us flashing halo migraines if we play for more than a few minutes at a time. 

*The cool, believable effects have been replaced with flashy, sparkly, fantasy console game effects that remove any actual immersiveness into any Star-Wars-esque universe.

*The living the adventure has been replaced by surviving the boring, repetetive and frustrating job.  I can do that driving to work in the morning, thank you very much.  If I want to work at something unrewarding, unenjoyable and frustrating, I'll take a paycheck along with it.

This guy touts the skills respec and the week of double (or in my server's case quad) xp as some sort of big gift or bonus to we, the players that we should be happy with.  That's unmitigated bullcrap.  The xp has not been working as advertised and 2 or 4 times nothing equals nothing.  Respeccing to anything but one of two or three combinations leaves you as borked as you were before trying on something new.  They've only replaced 5 flavours of the month with two or three -- which happen to be the only ones who can cert to wear semi-decent armor.

Casual players are left utterly in the lurch.  Those of us who have real lives and work cannot hope to make ANY progress in the game any longer under this new system, and have been bereft of the ability to play any meaningful role in any team our more uber friends might create.  And speaking of teams...

They say the new system "encourages" team play.  It might be a more accurate statement that it FORCES team play, yet at the same time severely restricts who you can team -- unlike the old system, where anyone could team anyone regardless of level or profession and still perform a useful, rewarding role in the team, this new system makes it pointless for more advanced, experienced players to team with novices or noobs to help them get started and to teach them how things work.

So you're stuck in a vicious catch-22 of being forced to team to make any progress or do anything in the game, yet cannot team your friends to enjoy the experience.  Instead, you are forced into pickup groups which do not share your goals, your playstyle or your playschedules.  The game has become impersonal and unpalatable.

Crafting... well for a COMBAT upgrade, this new step forward is a running leap backwards for crafting and entertainment players.  In two days, the CU has devastated the economy of more than one server of this game.  A lot of this has to do with the one-shot-kill occurance among crafters and entertainers.  Yes, that's right, anything can kill a crafter or entertainer in one shot now.  We are trapped in our houses, unable to get the resources we need or to take our crafted items to market.  But you won't hear Julio talk about that. 

"Unrest"?  I don't know how YOU define unrest, but for the last two or three days, I've watched the three servers I play on go from burgeoning, robust communities of active players to ghost towns that might have 25 live players on each.  The community has made a very large and NOTICABLE exodus from Bloodfin, Ahazi and Briea.  That's not unrest, that's decimation.

Another thing that Julio will not tell you is that SoE has been practicing the worst customer service I have EVER seen in ANY MMO I have EVER played.  IF you can get a CS rep to respond to your problems, they will either give you a canned "so sorry, sux to be you" response or will ban you if you demand some sort of satisfaction.  I played Anarchy Online at its release and I have to tell you, as bad as THAT was, SoE makes FunCom's fledgeling and bungling first-month support look like a shining paragon of CS excellence.  At least ARK was NICE and POLITE when they told you to STFU and suffer.

I'm no whiney kid who expects instant gratification.  I'm a mature, 40 year old woman who likes to game in my free time.  They turned me from being a HUGE fangirl for SWG into a bitter, disillusioned and ANGRY ex-customer with the way they've pushed this buggy, unbalanced and utterly unplayable new game down my throat after I invested in the game and its expansions.  I don't just want my money back.  I want my TIME back for this last week of involuntarily testing their live alpha.  And I want an apology for the lies they've fed me and my fellow players along with their crappy new game.

If I'd wanted to play EQ, I would have BOUGHT it.

ok i know this guy didnt more or less say they know whats better for us then us did he??

first off he said professions have been balanced? where might i ask? pistoleer,combat medic and bounty hunter are the new owners of this game.. put 8 pistoleers against 8 jedi and the 8 pistoleers will win hands down.. this combat upgrade did not bring balance to this game it has brought a horrible unbalance.. not to mention the new bugs we get.. my question for that guy is.. wth are you making us pay to be beta testers? this thing is 6 months off atleast, you dont buy a brand new mustang from the dealer and have the sales rep say "we need to know everything thats wrong with this car and give us only constructive feedback, oh and by the way you still have to pay the sticker price."

but why should we expect anything decent from LA to begin with? wasnt the last good game they gave us xwing?

melee guys like myself are screwed, i actually tried the CU for a total of 20 hours (time i wish i could get back).. oh yah and where is the “seat of your pants combat” its more like "get off your seat go mow your yard, get ready to file your taxes for next year, take a nap, look to see how long your back hair has grown since you started combat".  the combat that was in the original was fun and fast pace.. Yes it needed balancing out but it wasnt like every other RPG game it was unique.. Now? its just like every other rpg and i hate rpg games. but i did love the original game.

for the 4x the xp, in the original game i could grind out about 250k of XP for jedi in 3 hours, with the 4x xp i grinded out half that in 3 hours. if that is 4x the ammount ima hate to see what it looks like when they take the 4x away.. well actually i wont be seeing it, as i have cancelled 12 accounts that me and my dad shared.

how does the 4x ammount of xp help me with my crafting that i did on that monday and tuesday that i spent a total of 9 hours doing? everything that i made pre-cu is trashed and not worth a thing, i had probably a combined 50 hours worth of components made before the conversion totally trashed everything.. they had said that the best weapons pre-cu would still be the best weapons, but the exact opposite happened the best weapons are now the worst weapons.

ATTENTION ppl thinking about buying this game, if they did treated us veterans like this how do you think they are gonna treat you?

never will i be buying a LA or SOE game as long as i am gaming. i got 20 local friends into this game and they are all po'd that everything they did/worked for a year is now trash, these guys are hard core FPS gamers and switched overnight once they got SWG. I've tried to get them to get to wow with me or city of heros but they arent gonna budge, they say "why, so i can have another game i get into a year and have it totally changed? no thx bro but ima stick to FPS where i wont loose things i worked for."

what ever happen to the old saying "The Customers always right" guess that gets thrown out of the window according to George Lucas. oh well i wont be going to see the new movie after reading this interview..

kozan formerly of bloodfin

LMAO! just take a look at all of our beautiful comments! these morons have no clue what they have done! 90% of these comments are completely destroying julio's sorry excuses. we all obviously LOVED our beloved SWG. then these crackheads pulled the biggest idiot move in the history of online gaming. the only thing that tempers my sorrow, is the fact that after reading all the posts over the last few days, I KNOW PEOPLE WILL BE LOSING THEIR JOBS! haha, you jerks deserve it!

NOW GIVE ME BACK MY MONEY!

well i see they still have there heads up ( your choice here )

I'm one of the crafters that got destroyed. Some of you know my toon poizen ( poizen meds on ahazi ) I've been called one of the uber crafters, with a meds shop that sold at the peak 10 mil a day in sales. But i was always stocked and had  high end meds.

I never wanted a jedi, plus i was not into pvp or combat that much. so crafting was what i liked.

what they did to me was unreal. here is why and in no way can they say that crafting is still good.

1.  why do you need meds when doctors have magic healing ?

2. level system,  this is the real killer all combat is now based on levels. so when and if ( they balance combat ) you just have to match levels to win. Very simple.

3. took crafting away from docs and turned them into clerics ( like all other games ) what about combat medic and medics ? what good are they when doc's are just heal bots.

4. resources. they are  worth 1/10 what they where. two years!!! i spent an ungodly amount of time hunting,  harvesting, and paying for resources. all gone no one really wants the new meds, why ? because with the level system they really are not needed that much.

5. combat to gather resources is torture when hunting  alone. YES I HUNT ALONE, i used to be able to kill harvest and move on allot faster for my resources. the C ( PU ) destroyed that.

i don't know. i put up a fight on the forums got 20 posts deleted, not one post was a total rant, i never got out of hand but yet they deleted them. funny thing people who liked the cu could blast away at the people who dislike it and never get deleted, nice soe!

I tested the cu from the day it hit beta.  I was stunned and tried to work it out.. I could not find anything i liked about it other than PVP, ( great something i don't care to do ).

my 3 account are now gone. I can not support a company that just lies and does not care about their customers.

I can say this much. I run a small business if i treated my customers like LA and soe i would be looking for a job today.  I guess big buiss does not have to worry as much about keeping customers happy. 

good gaming all... Will .......