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  nariusseldon

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Joined: 12/21/07
Posts: 20147

9/24/13 7:40:58 PM#21
Originally posted by Lex_Taliones
While I agree that removal of the auction house does bring the game closer to what I would like it to be, I can't help thinking that's it's a bit unfair.  The auction house was one of the features they were advertising to sell the game.

Not anymore.

You don't think people can actually read a website before buying it?

  Palebane

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Joined: 10/18/04
Posts: 3247

9/25/13 10:54:15 AM#22
Originally posted by TalRasha
Originally posted by Palebane

I find it hard to believe they are taking it out in order to send the game in the right direction. That sounds to me like something you'd say to build up hype. More likely they are doing it because it doesn't make them enough money.

 

Personally, I like the auction house. I've always enjoyed the market side of online RPGs, and Diablo 3 had a pretty decent system and UI for trading stuff. I'll likely be going back to pick up some upgrades before they decide to shut it down.

2 handed swords in the game don't make them money either, but they don't take those items out.

I don't see why people think it's likely that "not making enough money" is a reason for taking a feature out of a game. Or do you mean to say that you think the AH actually cost money for Blizzard?

2 handed swords in the game could make them money.  And if they were in there and not making money, I could see them taking them out. Yes, I think running the AH actually costs the company money to police and maintain. Probably more money than it brings in now that less people are actually using the RMAH, which means less of a cut the company is taking as a whole.

 

They are getting ready to release an expansion. They were probably thinking to themselves, "what was the biggest gripe that people had to buying the game in the first place?" Lets take that out for the expansion to try and sell more copies." Yes its a fairly ridiculous conspiracy theory, and I admit that. Still, I can't help but wonder. Seriously, why take it out now? Because the game has a new director?

 

Using the AH to get upgrades has always been the players' choice. It doesn't take anything away from the Diablo experience if people choose not to use it. The only reason I can think of why they would honestly take it out now, is because it's not making them enough money.

Vault-Tec analysts have concluded that the odds of worldwide nuclear armaggeddon this decade are 17,143,762... to 1.

  nariusseldon

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Posts: 20147

9/26/13 1:16:18 PM#23
Originally posted by Palebane
 

2 handed swords in the game could make them money. 

Uh where do you get that?

The only 2H weapon that is worth anything is a SKORN (and manticore for the DH). And even that is not worth much unless you have an extremely good roll.

  jesteralways

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Joined: 3/17/13
Posts: 642

9/26/13 1:21:24 PM#24
Originally posted by nariusseldon

wow .. that is unexpected.

ebay is going to be the new D3 RMAH on March 18, 2014.

Even though i do not agree with most of your opinion, i agree with you on this. I will love to see how blizzard counters the scammers and ebay sellers. 

i want an open world, no phasing, no instancing.i want meaningful owpvp.i want player driven economy.i want meaningful crafting.i want awesome exploration, a sense of thrill.i want ow housing with a meaningful effect on my entire gameplay experience, not just some instanced crap.i want all of these free of cost, i don't wanna pay you a cent, game devs can eat grass and continue developing game for me.
Seems like that is the current consensus of western mmo players.

  Demmi77

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Joined: 2/20/08
Posts: 222

9/26/13 1:23:20 PM#25

i played on pc and quit , and actively play on my ps3.

The AH made diablo 3 what it is in terms of gear. One of the main reasons everything was junk, was because of just how accesable everything was on the AH.

Im using weapons and builds i'd htought i'd never use on ps3 and enjoying it so much more. I trade from time to time and almost always do online but all in all this is a great move.

Diablo 3 is moving back into what made it such a great name, hopefully they turn it into a great game. Console is absolutely amazing and almost like a different game.

  laserit

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Joined: 3/24/10
Posts: 1548

Confusius say: Man who go to bed with itchy bum wake up with stinky finger

9/26/13 1:32:57 PM#26

I sincerely hope that Blizzard has learned a lesson that they will use in development in all they're future games.

 

Is Blizzard still going to add PVP? I sure couldn't see it not being P2W if the RMAH was still going to be in place.

 

As far as people going to Ebay or where ever for some RMT. If they go out of their way to spend real money on pixi dust, it's their own dumbass problem if they get scammed and  ripped off.

"If you make an ass out of yourself, there will always be someone to ride you."

Bruce Lee

  sportsfan

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Joined: 8/20/12
Posts: 382

9/26/13 4:41:35 PM#27
Originally posted by Kyleran

I was going to come on here and tell you it will never happen.....

Whoops, shows you what I know. 

/salute to Blizzard for doing what I think is a good move.

 

R.I.P. Diablo3 for me :(

As one can see, opinions do vary.

I played D3 in solo hardcore like a little EVE cousin. You gather resources to up the avatar(s) by trading slooooowly with limited means. Advancing VERY carefully since you play perma death mode in an AH that is reigned by constant death.

Of course EVE has much more depth in its economy, but curiously it worked in D3 for me and many others in that hardcore economy with Gold as a valid trading currency (although some might have bought their way up, many didn't)

Grinding mats, crafting Star Gems to sell them for 1.3 million Gold on the AH, etc...and then up the armor/weapons in small increments of dps and armor to down the next content.

 

It was marvellous while it lasted and to me it shows that this kind of incredible nice but niche game play is not supported by money hungry Blizzard.

I played for 4 months to achieve that solo goal: down Diablo in Inferno and still have 3 avatars to go.

But I am no longer motivated now as Blizzard killed this kind of excellent resource game because the RMAH didn't bring in enough money.

 

---

 

R.I.P. budy, For those that want to try it in the last 5 months of its existence...

Take hardcore mode: solo : up your gear with grinding, gathering mats, crafting and you'll have the BEST game experience in solo mode ever in a challenging perma death game.

Of course I understand the softcore noobs and those that never really played D3 , but the hardcore guys who played this jewell like me are  shocked

 

Idiots at Blizz.

  nariusseldon

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Joined: 12/21/07
Posts: 20147

9/26/13 8:07:44 PM#28
Originally posted by sportsfan

Of course I understand the softcore noobs and those that never really played D3 , but the hardcore guys who played this jewell like me are  shocked

 

 

Don't sound as if your preference is better than other people's. It is just a game. Who says one cannot enjoy it different than the way you do?

  JeroKane

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Joined: 2/21/06
Posts: 5290

10/01/13 11:35:07 AM#29
Originally posted by Palebane
 

Using the AH to get upgrades has always been the players' choice. It doesn't take anything away from the Diablo experience if people choose not to use it. The only reason I can think of why they would honestly take it out now, is because it's not making them enough money.

It was NEVER the player´s Choice, hence the massive ragequit that happend during the first year.

The drop rate currently is so ridiculously Garbage that getting good items yourself is nearly impossible!

The entire loot tables are designed With the gAH and RMAH in mind. They wanted to force People to use the gAH, even better the RMAH!

The entire gAH and RMAH is currently being dominated and run by the RMT industry. So the Whole combating RMT had ZERO effect.  In fact, this Whole thing was a RMT business wet dream, as they could run their business LEGALLY using Blizzards systems.

They completely inflated the gold AH, so that the average player is unable to affort anything in the gold AH and so trying to force them to use the RMAH instead.

So the entire game right now is a joke! Hence, why I quit last year within 2 months, when I saw what was happening.

I want to play the game! Not play the AH! It was just infuriating and frustrating to get tons of legendary drops, which were all completely useless for your class.

I felt like I was playing the game, just to gear up someone else!

---------------

And now they finally going to fix it! By removing the abominations (gAH and RMAH) from the game and implement loot 2.0, so you actually get loot usable for the class you´re playing!

 

And yes. I do believe the reason why they ulitmately decided to remove the Auction Houses from the game, was because hardly anyone was interested in pre-ordering the expansion, With the current state the game is in.

 

So now they going to remove the AH´s, they get all the People who left (me included) interested again to Return to the game and buy the expansion.

  nariusseldon

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Joined: 12/21/07
Posts: 20147

10/02/13 11:22:40 AM#30
Originally posted by JeroKane

And now they finally going to fix it! By removing the abominations (gAH and RMAH) from the game and implement loot 2.0, so you actually get loot usable for the class you´re playing!

 

I think they have to remove the gAH & RMAH, otherwise loot 2.0 won't work.

Loot 2.0 will give you much better drops faster. IF there is still a AH, people will again deck up in top gear in no time. Given the better drop rate, that will occur even faster.

That is why they have to remove the AH.

 

  MurlockDance

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Joined: 6/20/10
Posts: 1225

10/04/13 6:31:10 AM#31

I am excited for D3 for the first time in a while because I left it parly due to the bad loot drops. I found the loot underwhelming and uninteresting. I look forward to the loot changes more than the removal of the AHs. I did not use the AHs.

Really the D2 items were just so much more interesting and there was far more variety. I loved how you could design an entire build around a couple of items. I haven't felt as much of an urge to do that yet in D3, in fact I have hardly metagamed with items in comparison to D1 and D2.

Looking forward to Loot 2.0 and the new expac !

Playing MUDs and MMOs since 1994.

  nariusseldon

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Joined: 12/21/07
Posts: 20147

10/04/13 2:54:18 PM#32
Originally posted by MurlockDance

I am excited for D3 for the first time in a while because I left it parly due to the bad loot drops. I found the loot underwhelming and uninteresting. I look forward to the loot changes more than the removal of the AHs. I did not use the AHs.

Really the D2 items were just so much more interesting and there was far more variety. I loved how you could design an entire build around a couple of items. I haven't felt as much of an urge to do that yet in D3, in fact I have hardly metagamed with items in comparison to D1 and D2.

Looking forward to Loot 2.0 and the new expac !

I agree. Some of the leaked loot 2.0 items look very interesting.

 

  Palebane

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Joined: 10/18/04
Posts: 3247

10/04/13 11:07:04 PM#33
Originally posted by JeroKane
Originally posted by Palebane
 

Using the AH to get upgrades has always been the players' choice. It doesn't take anything away from the Diablo experience if people choose not to use it. The only reason I can think of why they would honestly take it out now, is because it's not making them enough money.

It was NEVER the player´s Choice, hence the massive ragequit that happend during the first year.

The drop rate currently is so ridiculously Garbage that getting good items yourself is nearly impossible!

The entire loot tables are designed With the gAH and RMAH in mind. They wanted to force People to use the gAH, even better the RMAH!

The entire gAH and RMAH is currently being dominated and run by the RMT industry. So the Whole combating RMT had ZERO effect.  In fact, this Whole thing was a RMT business wet dream, as they could run their business LEGALLY using Blizzards systems.

They completely inflated the gold AH, so that the average player is unable to affort anything in the gold AH and so trying to force them to use the RMAH instead.

So the entire game right now is a joke! Hence, why I quit last year within 2 months, when I saw what was happening.

I want to play the game! Not play the AH! It was just infuriating and frustrating to get tons of legendary drops, which were all completely useless for your class.

I felt like I was playing the game, just to gear up someone else!

---------------

And now they finally going to fix it! By removing the abominations (gAH and RMAH) from the game and implement loot 2.0, so you actually get loot usable for the class you´re playing!

 

And yes. I do believe the reason why they ulitmately decided to remove the Auction Houses from the game, was because hardly anyone was interested in pre-ordering the expansion, With the current state the game is in.

 

So now they going to remove the AH´s, they get all the People who left (me included) interested again to Return to the game and buy the expansion.

What I meant was, you can get through Act 4 without using the AH at all.  I know Diablo has been about the drops, so I agree with you there, but using the AH was always a choice, in my opinion.

 

Also, do you truly believe that Activision would take something out of a game that was making them lots of money, which is what you suggest by admitting that it was popularly used by the RMT companies where Activision gets a cut of every sale?

Vault-Tec analysts have concluded that the odds of worldwide nuclear armaggeddon this decade are 17,143,762... to 1.

  Ender4

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Joined: 5/18/08
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10/04/13 11:17:01 PM#34

Blizzard's way to push the fault away from their own incompetence. The issue has never been the AH. The issue has always been the piss poor itemization.

  MurlockDance

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10/05/13 3:23:47 AM#35
Originally posted by nariusseldon

I agree. Some of the leaked loot 2.0 items look very interesting.

 

What ?! You agree with me ??? *faint*

 

In all seriousness, if they can make interesting loot, put some of the magic of D2's items in D3 it would be a killer game. D3 was better at its release than D2 was. D2, especially pre-LoD had big issues but LoD made it a classic. D3 can very well become a classic just with better loot in.

Playing MUDs and MMOs since 1994.

  kompleksaki

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10/05/13 3:42:58 AM#36
Originally posted by sportsfan
Originally posted by Kyleran

I was going to come on here and tell you it will never happen.....

Whoops, shows you what I know. 

/salute to Blizzard for doing what I think is a good move.

 

R.I.P. Diablo3 for me :(

As one can see, opinions do vary.

I played D3 in solo hardcore like a little EVE cousin. You gather resources to up the avatar(s) by trading slooooowly with limited means. Advancing VERY carefully since you play perma death mode in an AH that is reigned by constant death.

Of course EVE has much more depth in its economy, but curiously it worked in D3 for me and many others in that hardcore economy with Gold as a valid trading currency (although some might have bought their way up, many didn't)

Grinding mats, crafting Star Gems to sell them for 1.3 million Gold on the AH, etc...and then up the armor/weapons in small increments of dps and armor to down the next content.

 

It was marvellous while it lasted and to me it shows that this kind of incredible nice but niche game play is not supported by money hungry Blizzard.

I played for 4 months to achieve that solo goal: down Diablo in Inferno and still have 3 avatars to go.

But I am no longer motivated now as Blizzard killed this kind of excellent resource game because the RMAH didn't bring in enough money.

 

---

 

R.I.P. budy, For those that want to try it in the last 5 months of its existence...

Take hardcore mode: solo : up your gear with grinding, gathering mats, crafting and you'll have the BEST game experience in solo mode ever in a challenging perma death game.

Of course I understand the softcore noobs and those that never really played D3 , but the hardcore guys who played this jewell like me are  shocked

 

Idiots at Blizz.

So, the trading feature that made D2 great,is not good enough for you i guess. For the rest of us that actually prefer multiplayer interaction, AH made the game extremely boring. Opinions do vary,but this game is far from dieing.

  sportsfan

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Joined: 8/20/12
Posts: 382

10/23/13 3:20:16 AM#37
Originally posted by Ender4

Blizzard's way to push the fault away from their own incompetence. The issue has never been the AH. The issue has always been the piss poor itemization.

I agree and everyone else who played the game.

Look at the softcore AH: overflood by 18 months of never dissapearing gear. That's not the fault of the AH, that's the fault of a game designer who didn't put in reset mechanics.

The hardcore Gold only AH works almost perfectly because perma death of the avatars take gear away constantly of the economy.

A simple tric like ... all gear bought on the softcore AH be Bind on Account would have resolved most issues already.

Instead they blame a player driven economy. .. . because their loot/gear design sucked BIG time.

D3 is dead - certainly after the removal of trading - This is no longer 1997. This is 2013. 

The only hope is for a real MMORPG D4 with open worlds AND crafting economies.

RIP D3. The run has been terrible.

 

  bansan

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Joined: 5/20/10
Posts: 371

10/23/13 3:59:03 AM#38
Originally posted by sportsfan
Originally posted by Ender4

Blizzard's way to push the fault away from their own incompetence. The issue has never been the AH. The issue has always been the piss poor itemization.

I agree and everyone else who played the game.

*snip*

 

 

Oi...ever wonder why the itemization and drop system was "piss poor"?  It is because it was designed to encourage people to RMT.  How coincidental is it that AH goes away, and the loot 2.0 radically changes the system?  They are free to design the system without thinking "how do I maximize AH sales?"

For example, you asked why they didn't make something soulbound on equips.  For the RMT, people would be more reluctant to use the AH if they knew they couldn't resell an item.  Also probably results in less total sales overall, since the drop rate of good items are so low, even though the purchase price may be higher.

If they made it soulbound only for gold AH...people would accuse them of being more greedy.

  nariusseldon

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Joined: 12/21/07
Posts: 20147

10/23/13 11:56:24 AM#39
Originally posted by sportsfan

The only hope is for a real MMORPG D4 with open worlds AND crafting economies.

nah .. why would D4 need to be a MMO? It is always about small group or solo dungeon runs. Open world and too much crafting will ruin it.

I want to kill stuff and get good drops, not craft them.

 

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