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  DAOWAce

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I tried so hard and got so far, but in the end it doesn't even matter.

9/17/13 8:38:50 AM#21

Firefall has grown consistently more focused on microtransactions as time goes on.

I have been in beta for well over a year and stopped playing about 7 months ago because of the unfinished nature of the game and shift towards microtransactions.  The game's just been going for far to long without release and I don't even want to go back to it.

Not surprising to hear about layoffs, though it doesn't seem like it affected anyone important in regards to the development of the game.

Really hope to see Firefall actually improve, but with the focus on real money now, I don't think it's going to go anywhere.

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  orbitxo

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9/17/13 8:41:46 AM#22

guys.

seriously they said red5 tv.

 

i always wondered why such a huge TV production for red5 when their focus should be the mmo launch, unless they were getting dollars from their advertisers-even so. not even WoW have their own Blizzard channel with monthly shows.=silly.

that said- its sad to see layoffs.

  Tekaelon

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9/17/13 8:47:40 AM#23
I hate that anyone lost their job, be it the development or video team. However I am glad game development continues. Firefall is a unique MMO experience. Their decision to focus on PvE for the moment is a good one. Esports is just a pipe dream for most games, isn't that right ArenaNet. BTW don't listen to the trolls in this thread. Firefall is a blast and for now its free so try it and form your own opinions
  Torvaldr

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9/17/13 10:13:06 AM#24

Originally posted by orbitxo

guys.

seriously they said red5 tv.

 

i always wondered why such a huge TV production for red5 when their focus should be the mmo launch, unless they were getting dollars from their advertisers-even so. not even WoW have their own Blizzard channel with monthly shows.=silly.

that said- its sad to see layoffs.

This is what I was thinking about in my post above. There is an old school over the top mentality in game production that needs to die. It's costly and it doesn't deliver better games, it just eats up development costs. On top of that many teams seem fat and lack focus. Shifting focus has been a weakness of Red5, but that can be part of the package when you have a flexible development concept that user input is helping to shape.

I really do hope that dev studios can figure out how to run small and lean and deliver games that don't need to recoup $100M just to break even.

Originally posted by Tekaelon
I hate that anyone lost their job, be it the development or video team. However I am glad game development continues. Firefall is a unique MMO experience. Their decision to focus on PvE for the moment is a good one. Esports is just a pipe dream for most games, isn't that right ArenaNet. BTW don't listen to the trolls in this thread. Firefall is a blast and for now its free so try it and form your own opinions

Dropping PvP was a smart choice. The game is pretty good. The character progression and ties to crafting are excellent. They need to focus on expanding that, expanding their world, and making the game play less repetitive.

I don't listen to those people. They like to spread the feeling of impending doom on any game thread they post in. They feed off the trouble of others, just waiting for a little blood in the water.

Curse you AquaScum!

  Psion33

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9/17/13 11:11:08 AM#25

Clearly they are realizing their cash shop won't bring in as much money as they intended.

 

--more fallout from F2Pers.

  Karahandras

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9/17/13 11:34:06 AM#26
Whilst it's always sad to see jobs lost, I have to agree with others in that this isn't a suprise, especially for something that shouldn't have been there in the first place.  Also have to say I can only see this getting worse(despite what the fanboys and red5 say) over the next year with the release of games like eqn and especially wildstar.
  ZeGerman

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9/17/13 11:51:38 AM#27
Originally posted by TheHavok

The stage 5 TV team didn't even amount to much. No offense to them, they were probably just following orders from management that didn't know what they were doing.

You gotta learn to walk before you try and run.

Agreed they got way ahead of themselves.  They expected to be the next big thing especialy in esports but they tried to do to many things and thus never really completed and pollished any of them.

  Talonsin

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9/17/13 12:09:07 PM#28

Having been playing this game for 2 years, on and off, it is sad to see people posting so negatively about Red5.  I agree in the last 6 months as money became an isue for the studio they have delved into microtransactions a bit too much for my taste.  That said, I still wish more developers were like Red5.  These guys communicate and have a genuine passion for gaming that I dont see in actual money-grubbing studios like Cryptic.

 

I think these guys have tried to move slow and listen to as much feedback as possible and that has caused the game to move in some bad directions.  Sadly, the most vocal part of the communities are people with very unique tastes.  If you try and please them all, you miss out on the vast majority of other gamers. 

  Torvaldr

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9/17/13 12:56:10 PM#29
Originally posted by Talonsin

Having been playing this game for 2 years, on and off, it is sad to see people posting so negatively about Red5.  I agree in the last 6 months as money became an isue for the studio they have delved into microtransactions a bit too much for my taste.  That said, I still wish more developers were like Red5.  These guys communicate and have a genuine passion for gaming that I dont see in actual money-grubbing studios like Cryptic.

 

I think these guys have tried to move slow and listen to as much feedback as possible and that has caused the game to move in some bad directions.  Sadly, the most vocal part of the communities are people with very unique tastes.  If you try and please them all, you miss out on the vast majority of other gamers. 

The problem is, especially with our community here, is that some people like to stir it up and pull made up bs right out of their butts. Look a couple posts up where the guy posts that F2P players have abandoned them. What a ridiculous load of tripe posted solely because he can take pot shots at the game, like he does with most of his posts.  I try and ignore posters like that because they have nothing of any substance to contribute, but I'll agree it's annoying.

I think how they charge for the game is pretty sweet. You can play the entire game and if you want to go faster then you can purchase boosters or battle frames. They have to make money right? 

I don't really see Cryptic as money grubbing either. They offer their game at a price they think it's worth.  I don't agree with their pricing, but it's not like they didn't deliver on what I did buy. I just don't spend money with them anymore because they're expensive, more than I think their game is worth.

Curse you AquaScum!

  Mahlo

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Respectable people... What bastards!

9/17/13 4:08:10 PM#30
I'm loving Firefall. It's the best MMO experience I've had in a long time. The crafting, whilst not the finished product, is still engrossing and it, and resources, are central to the whole experience. Out jet-packing around, picking up missions, resources and events here and there is really liberating too, and better than I experienced in Rift or Guild Wars 2.
  maskedweasel

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9/17/13 4:37:16 PM#31
I enjoyed my time in Firefall,  I hope the game really makes it,  but its been in such a pending state for so long... and I wouldn't necessarily have called it overly ambitious.  I feel bad for the layoffs, as always,  and I wish those that lost their jobs and the company as a whole the best.

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  ROFLcopter13

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9/17/13 7:42:41 PM#32
So funny how months ago I pretty much predicted this would happen, and I even tried warning everyone of how much of a waste of time Firefall is and how it was a cash grab. I got called names, flamed, etc and yet now, almost 4 months later here we all are, discussing the demise of Red5 and Firefall... I love how fate is ironic. Next time someone tries to give you advice, dont call them an idiot and disagree with them unless you actually know what the hell you are talking about.
  indef

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9/17/13 8:39:04 PM#33

I guess that is what happens when you spend $100 Million dollars....that's right, $100 F-ING million dollars....let me repeat that one more time 100,000,000 dollars, on an MMO with NO content.

Why do MMO developers these days think they can get away with things like this.  There is no MMO on the planet that is worth $100,000,000 besides WoW and GW2.  

Firefall has a good concept.  But it's like... if you gave your kid a sandbox...but left out the sand and didn't give them any toys.  All of a sudden, you're just sitting in a boring ass box.

  TheHavok

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9/17/13 8:54:44 PM#34
Originally posted by indef

I guess that is what happens when you spend $100 Million dollars....that's right, $100 F-ING million dollars....let me repeat that one more time 100,000,000 dollars, on an MMO with NO content.

Why do MMO developers these days think they can get away with things like this.  There is no MMO on the planet that is worth $100,000,000 besides WoW and GW2.  

Firefall has a good concept.  But it's like... if you gave your kid a sandbox...but left out the sand and didn't give them any toys.  All of a sudden, you're just sitting in a boring ass box.

Where did you get the 100 million number?

  DAOWAce

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I tried so hard and got so far, but in the end it doesn't even matter.

9/18/13 11:29:41 AM#35
Originally posted by Torvaldr

I don't really see Cryptic as money grubbing either.

l o l.

You will not find many, if any, people who agree with you.

Neverwinter was RUINED by its microtransactions before it even fully released.  It's still not recovered and I doubt it ever will.

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  Tyserie

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9/18/13 1:28:57 PM#36
Originally posted by ROFLcopter13
So funny how months ago I pretty much predicted this would happen, and I even tried warning everyone of how much of a waste of time Firefall is and how it was a cash grab. I got called names, flamed, etc and yet now, almost 4 months later here we all are, discussing the demise of Red5 and Firefall... I love how fate is ironic. Next time someone tries to give you advice, dont call them an idiot and disagree with them unless you actually know what the hell you are talking about.

OMG, shut the xxxx up. What money grap are you talking about? You can play it whole without one euro spend. There is absolutelly no need to buy anything. Everything is craftable.  If someone is lazy or stupid enough to make progres in game and get 10 pilots tokens to buy advanced battlegear(means, he have it for free, he just have to play and have a just little bit brain). Then he can buy for 5 dollars 40 red beans and have 4 advanced battlegears unlocked for that stupid 5 dollars. Is this money grab? Sure, if you are stupid or whinig lazy kid (doesn't mean with age, but nature ), the you have to pay little bit more to get for example motorcycle, but this is still craftable, you just have to play.

This game is just little bit complicated and not every hole understand how to play, how to craft, that there are resources with diferent quality, how to thump, how to find out rich resource vein and so on. I am plying this game from beggining and I did spend only that 5 dollars and they gave me also great glider with very low cooldown and sharp looking helm like bonus.

There are mini instance and you have to craft a key to be able go there. In every mini instance you have tu fight and win event and receive a aliens part of technology and when you have it from all instances, you can build a main key for big story instance. You just have to know what to do and where to find it. It's fucking amazing game. All what they should do is, OPEN the possibility to re-take the earth. Just start it whole up, with story and everything. They should expand, thats all.  If they would end, it will be really fucking sad.

 

  Cname

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9/18/13 6:05:56 PM#37
Originally posted by TheHavok
Originally posted by indef

I guess that is what happens when you spend $100 Million dollars....that's right, $100 F-ING million dollars....let me repeat that one more time 100,000,000 dollars, on an MMO with NO content.

Why do MMO developers these days think they can get away with things like this.  There is no MMO on the planet that is worth $100,000,000 besides WoW and GW2.  

Firefall has a good concept.  But it's like... if you gave your kid a sandbox...but left out the sand and didn't give them any toys.  All of a sudden, you're just sitting in a boring ass box.

Where did you get the 100 million number?

He might have got the number from this post in the firefall forum:

http://forums.firefallthegame.com/community/threads/why-are-you-trying-to-turn-this-game-into-a-mmorpg.2260021/page-12#post-34930821

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  Arglebargle

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9/18/13 6:23:08 PM#38
Originally posted by DAOWAce
Originally posted by Torvaldr

I don't really see Cryptic as money grubbing either.

l o l.

You will not find many, if any, people who agree with you.

Neverwinter was RUINED by its microtransactions before it even fully released.  It's still not recovered and I doubt it ever will.

Neverwinter is what it is because of Perfect World.  Go and look at the design Cryptic had for the game before they got sold to PWE and compare it to what's there now.

If you are holding out for the perfect game, the only game you play will be the waiting one.

  Arglebargle

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9/18/13 6:25:08 PM#39
Originally posted by ROFLcopter13
So funny how months ago I pretty much predicted this would happen, and I even tried warning everyone of how much of a waste of time Firefall is and how it was a cash grab. I got called names, flamed, etc and yet now, almost 4 months later here we all are, discussing the demise of Red5 and Firefall... I love how fate is ironic. Next time someone tries to give you advice, dont call them an idiot and disagree with them unless you actually know what the hell you are talking about.

You predicted them getting rid of their video department was going to lead to their demise?

If you are holding out for the perfect game, the only game you play will be the waiting one.

  Arglebargle

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9/18/13 6:26:25 PM#40
Originally posted by Mahlo
I'm loving Firefall. It's the best MMO experience I've had in a long time. The crafting, whilst not the finished product, is still engrossing and it, and resources, are central to the whole experience. Out jet-packing around, picking up missions, resources and events here and there is really liberating too, and better than I experienced in Rift or Guild Wars 2.

When I quit playing, it was mostly because their crafting, a very important part of the game, was unclear, poorly presented, and obtuse to use.  Has it gotten better?

If you are holding out for the perfect game, the only game you play will be the waiting one.

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