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  Bladestrom

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9/15/13 12:38:40 PM#41
All gameplay can be considered a 'grind' of we look at it from this perspective. when the word 'grind' becomes a negative is where you are forced to grind to avoid falling behind some curve.

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  DEATHRAMENT

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9/15/13 12:43:26 PM#42
I feel the same way,i love the game but with no pvp it gets stale really fast unfortunatly.
  amber-r

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9/15/13 12:44:44 PM#43
Originally posted by ckeeton999
I doubt it'll go f2p . It's a really good game

Implying all the other games that went free to play were not good games?  Good has nothing to do with it.

  ckeeton999

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9/15/13 12:55:55 PM#44
Do you think rift and swtor were good games?
  Tsumoro

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9/15/13 1:03:02 PM#45
Originally posted by amber-r
Originally posted by ckeeton999
I doubt it'll go f2p . It's a really good game

Implying all the other games that went free to play were not good games?  Good has nothing to do with it.

They won't make FF14 go F2P ever at all. Final Fantasy 11 is still going strong with a subscription so the chances of this one going F2P are slim to next to none. 

 

  GeezerGamer

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9/15/13 1:06:36 PM#46
Originally posted by ckeeton999
Do you think rift and swtor were good games?

Rift was a decent game. And guess what? If did decently.(Until Storm Legion)  SWTOR was a bad game and guess what? It did badly. This game is better than Rift. I'll leave it at that.

It's the sad state of the genre. The next big title has as many threads discussing issues with it's business model than issues with the game itself.

  Jasdemi

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9/15/13 1:06:47 PM#47
PvP will never work with 500ms built-in delays. 
  SNAFUdamus

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OP  9/15/13 1:46:00 PM#48

It was worth the $29 I payed in the store. I played to 50, and had fun. But really it is just a shallow MMO. And crafting? Common on, whos life is boring enough for them to sit there and become a level 50 miner? For what? To what end?

 

$29 for a couple weeks of play, tis the norm with MMOs these days. This one actually was at least priced right. I had a hankering to play a BARD so I tried it. I didn't like it. It is no bard either I might add, its just a crappy archer with a few songs that really don't do a dam thing.

 

Also all you guys that say I am "bitching" are misreading it. I am simply stating facts, facts tend to come across as bitching when you want to deny the facts.

  obsolete5

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9/15/13 1:52:45 PM#49

i decided i want you now i know

 

i need

  Khondor

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Don't Tread On Me!

9/15/13 1:54:57 PM#50
Originally posted by SNAFUdamus

So I got my Bard to 50 (best DPS in the game atm). Started working on lancer for the extra skills and got thinking. What do I do now. Well there are the raids and the endgame dungeons, frankly the story is just a super cheesy  version of star wars.

 

There isn't PvP so what am I striving for? Better gear, for what? So I can repeat the same dungeons over and over and over again just so I can have shinier gear? Just to be able to repeat the same dungeons again?

 

Its a pretty game, but other than that frankly its just a mix between SWToR and WoW, with some extra cheese on top.

 

Didn't even need the whole free 30 days to know this game will go nowhere.

I'm curious what you were expecting when you hit 50.  Did you think there was going to be some kind of new end game activities you haven't seen before?  I'm also pretty sure you could have found out what type of end game would be waiting for you before you even bought the game.  

  Ujirik

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9/15/13 2:00:09 PM#51
Your complaint just amounts to wanting PvP in the game.  Every MMORPG end game is like an endless treadmill of raiding and PvP.  Both are nothing but time killers designed to keep you playing long enough for new content to be added.  What else did you expect?  This is the reality of MMORPG's.  I'm surprised you didn't realize this sooner.

  Wyrdfell

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9/15/13 2:01:09 PM#52


Originally posted by Tsumoro

Originally posted by amber-r

Originally posted by ckeeton999 I doubt it'll go f2p . It's a really good game
Implying all the other games that went free to play were not good games?  Good has nothing to do with it.
They won't make FF14 go F2P ever at all. Final Fantasy 11 is still going strong with a subscription so the chances of this one going F2P are slim to next to none. 

 


FFXI was a unique game and still got population in 2013. Sorry but FFXIV is just an another WoW clone with worse combat and there is no pvp at the moment. So...

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  Ujirik

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9/15/13 2:06:50 PM#53
Originally posted by Wyrdfell

 


Originally posted by Tsumoro

Originally posted by amber-r

Originally posted by ckeeton999 I doubt it'll go f2p . It's a really good game
Implying all the other games that went free to play were not good games?  Good has nothing to do with it.
They won't make FF14 go F2P ever at all. Final Fantasy 11 is still going strong with a subscription so the chances of this one going F2P are slim to next to none. 

 

 


 

FFXI was a unique game and still got population in 2013. Sorry but FFXIV is just an another WoW clone with worse combat and there is no pvp at the moment. So...

Have you even played FFXIV?  It's not a WoW clone and it has better combat than WoW and FFXI combined.  It's faster paced, smoother and has more dynamic elements to it.  The PvP in FFXI sucks and is rarely played by the majority anyway.

  muchavez

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9/15/13 2:18:05 PM#54
Originally posted by grimgryphon
Originally posted by Bigdaddyx
Originally posted by Swedish_Chef
Originally posted by Swids2010
You should really stop playing MMORPG's if you don't like gear treadmill

We don't take kindly to logic & common sense 'round these here parts son!

Because all MMOS are about gear treadmill right?

Anything that benefits your character is "gear".

What games would you use as an example that don't make you grind for something?

 All games have grind however there is an important aspect you and many people in this thread are missing.

There are treadmill games and non treadmill games.  There is grind in both however there is a specific difference.

In treadmill games, you grind gear so you can grind for more gear.  There is no other endgame, if you aren't grinding for gear, there is nothing else to do. 

These types of games suck.

In non treadmill games there is still grind however the grind is used to supplement a greater goal of the game.  Probably the best specific example are territory control games, some are better than others but just to list some examples off the top of my head.  EVE, GW2, Planetside2, Perfect word

Yes there is grind, however you are grinding so you can get more powerful and help your alliance take territory and win a global war.

Another example on the more PvE side would be how about building your a guild town with your guild mates?  Or maybe competing in PvP arena battles?  There are plenty of endgame options that allow for replay value and give a purpose to the grind.

I have not played FFXIV so I don't know much about it but it seems as if the OP was stating that there is nothing to do other than dungeon grind for gear.

If you were stating that the only thing to do endgame in mmo's is grind then you are wrong. (And thank god you don't create games :) )

  echolynfan

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9/15/13 2:30:58 PM#55
Originally posted by SNAFUdamus

It was worth the $29 I payed in the store. I played to 50, and had fun. But really it is just a shallow MMO. And crafting? Common on, whos life is boring enough for them to sit there and become a level 50 miner? For what? To what end?

 

$29 for a couple weeks of play, tis the norm with MMOs these days. This one actually was at least priced right. I had a hankering to play a BARD so I tried it. I didn't like it. It is no bard either I might add, its just a crappy archer with a few songs that really don't do a dam thing.

 

Also all you guys that say I am "bitching" are misreading it. I am simply stating facts, facts tend to come across as bitching when you want to deny the facts.

The same kind of person that thinks someone who rushed to 50 and then said there's nothing left to do is boring.

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  Juaks

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9/15/13 2:41:40 PM#56

Took you 50 levels realize this game is a theme park and consist in gear grind progression?

PvP has never been a serious feature in FF games. You should have known that. It's all about the story, sorry if you didn't like it but plenty of people enjoy it and think is fantastic.

Next content patch in November will add some pvp, housing, raiding and yes, more hard dungeons to grind.

It looks like you should go play a sand box or maybe MMORPG's are not your thing anymore.

Anyone thinking or desiring this game going F2P is being delusional not only because FFXI reference but because Yoshi has been very clear about it.

  GeezerGamer

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9/15/13 2:52:23 PM#57
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It's the sad state of the genre. The next big title has as many threads discussing issues with it's business model than issues with the game itself.

  Torkaz

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9/15/13 2:54:34 PM#58
The game is a money pit.  When FFXIV first came out, they took a bunch of peoples money.  Now its "reborn" cause it was complete crap the first time, now people pay for it AGAIN.  This company is all about taking peoples money.  Simple as that.  (Sure they gave you the game for free if you bought it before but that was a long time ago and some people cannot find their old accounts etc.) 
  Wizardry

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Perhaps tomorrow will be better.

9/15/13 3:01:59 PM#59

The only thing i can say is Square Enix although showing us a lot of copy ideas from other games,they will  deliver more content that is not the same as other games.

This is still exactly like a brand new game even through it is not brand new,so give Square time and you will see more to do than other games.

Where i question gamer's is i hear certain types of complaints that may or may not be warranted  ,however they are not going to get any different in any other game,so why the griping?I could see if you are playing a game like Wow or Eve that has been around 5-8 years and still see nothing but more maps or more gear or more ships,that is shallow on actual content but FFXIV is only a few weeks old.

So many have been blinded by Wow,that one dimensional game play,following the paint by numbers questing then end game instancing or pvp.If people would have played vanilla FFXI they would understand how much content Square makes all into PVE.

I think the point if if you can find a game that does content "NOT mini games" then i say go for it,but i have played 90% of the games and i have yet to see that game full of content,aside from FFXI.You know what 99% of the gamer's do with all that content in FFXI?They don't use it,they still play it like Wow,so i think we have to blame the gamer's not the developer.

When i hear "What do i do know"i feel those gamer's miss the whole point of gaming.That question is ALWAYS related to what do i do now at max level.The POINT to gaming ,is to find  a game that you enjoy the combat and the character class design.Where or when or how that combat takes place should not matter just so long you are having fun with your character.This is NOT a race track where your goal is to hit the finish line,there is no finish line,you are suppose to be playing to just login and have fun.

 

 

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  GeezerGamer

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9/15/13 3:02:07 PM#60
Originally posted by Torkaz
The game is a money pit.  When FFXIV first came out, they took a bunch of peoples money.  Now its "reborn" cause it was complete crap the first time, now people pay for it AGAIN.  This company is all about taking peoples money.  Simple as that.  (Sure they gave you the game for free if you bought it before but that was a long time ago and some people cannot find their old accounts etc.) 

Now that's just trollin.

It's the sad state of the genre. The next big title has as many threads discussing issues with it's business model than issues with the game itself.

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