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  lathaan

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Posts: 485

9/14/13 5:59:45 AM#21

besides the hillarious assumptions of the OP - it was clearly too early to bring back the SAB. I loved it the first time, but grinded it so hard, i cba to enter it again within a year. bring it back in 6 months and youll have your numbers in there again.

the next patch on tuesday tho ... that will be big movietime.

 

edit: i forgot @ OP: I, in all honesty, would try to sue the crap out of you for intentional reputational damage, beeing ANET. For the fun alone. :D

  Meowhead

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9/14/13 6:06:57 AM#22
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Uhhhh... no?  They were just being fair and evenhanded?

This is a crazy concept, but... people who... even if they aren't playing a game, or even aren't a fan of it...

... want to make sure that people make factual statements and don't spread misinformation?

Or are we supposed to lie about the games we don't play/enjoy?  :/

I was proud to see people being fair. :P  This behavior should be encouraged.

  cinos

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Posts: 975

9/14/13 6:18:09 AM#23
Originally posted by Adalwulff
Originally posted by Meowhead
Originally posted by Adalwulff

You fanbois are hilarious!

Most of you that defended GW2, also said you were NOT playing the game anymore!

And, even though your NOT playing the game, your SURE there are LOTS of people playing it....LOL

I swear, the avg IQ around this site has gone wayyy down over the last few years

Uhhhh... no?  They were just being fair and evenhanded?

This is a crazy concept, but... people who... even if they aren't playing a game, or even aren't a fan of it...

... want to make sure that people make factual statements and don't spread misinformation?

Or are we supposed to lie about the games we don't play/enjoy?  :/

I was proud to see people being fair. :P  This behavior should be encouraged.

 

Thank you so much for proving my point!

How can they be fair and evenhanded, when they are NOT playing?

How can they know what the population is like in GW2, if they are NOT playing?

How can it be "fair", giving opinions about a game you are NOT playing?

How can they know what the people who are actually playing GW2 are thinking, if they are NOT playing?

Because the text the guy quoted was very clearly about SAB and not related to his assumptions.

Because you don't need to play the game to have seen all of the posts reported on this very site about how the population is booming.

Because not everyone in this thread has stopped playing.

 

Hilarious that you are the one complaining about low IQ's. :p

  IceAge

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Joined: 8/23/05
Posts: 1023

9/14/13 6:24:17 AM#24
Originally posted by Adalwulff
Originally posted by Meowhead
Originally posted by Adalwulff

You fanbois are hilarious!

Most of you that defended GW2, also said you were NOT playing the game anymore!

And, even though your NOT playing the game, your SURE there are LOTS of people playing it....LOL

I swear, the avg IQ around this site has gone wayyy down over the last few years

Uhhhh... no?  They were just being fair and evenhanded?

This is a crazy concept, but... people who... even if they aren't playing a game, or even aren't a fan of it...

... want to make sure that people make factual statements and don't spread misinformation?

Or are we supposed to lie about the games we don't play/enjoy?  :/

I was proud to see people being fair. :P  This behavior should be encouraged.

 

Thank you so much for proving my point!

How can they be fair and evenhanded, when they are NOT playing?

How can they know what the population is like in GW2, if they are NOT playing?

How can it be "fair", giving opinions about a game you are NOT playing?

How can they know what the people who are actually playing GW2 are thinking, if they are NOT playing?

Now, would you mind re-read the whole thread and let us know, which of the guys saying that they are not playing the game, in fact has told us something about the population in GW2 and how great GW2 is doing?

They were saying that the OP was trying (again) to bash GW2. 

You haters are hilarious!

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  krage

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Joined: 5/22/11
Posts: 415

9/14/13 6:32:22 AM#25

IMO I think it may be in reference to the first SAB or maybe even special event participation overall. I have not seen a noticeable decrease in players, at least on my server (Tarnished Coast), to warn of dismal player activity...although it does seem like most people aren't as hyped for this round of SAB.

I can't speak with certainty if the population is still growing or not with new accounts, but I can say it does not feel as if it is shrinking or suffering from dismal activity across the entire game. 

 

 

 

  lathaan

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Joined: 8/02/04
Posts: 485

9/14/13 6:35:29 AM#26
Originally posted by Adalwulff
Originally posted by Meowhead
Originally posted by Adalwulff

You fanbois are hilarious!

Most of you that defended GW2, also said you were NOT playing the game anymore!

And, even though your NOT playing the game, your SURE there are LOTS of people playing it....LOL

I swear, the avg IQ around this site has gone wayyy down over the last few years

Uhhhh... no?  They were just being fair and evenhanded?

This is a crazy concept, but... people who... even if they aren't playing a game, or even aren't a fan of it...

... want to make sure that people make factual statements and don't spread misinformation?

Or are we supposed to lie about the games we don't play/enjoy?  :/

I was proud to see people being fair. :P  This behavior should be encouraged.

 

Thank you so much for proving my point!

How can they be fair and evenhanded, when they are NOT playing?

How can they know what the population is like in GW2, if they are NOT playing?

How can it be "fair", giving opinions about a game you are NOT playing?

How can they know what the people who are actually playing GW2 are thinking, if they are NOT playing?

well, im playing every day and i can asure you - population is not an issue in gw2 ^^

queues are. if anything, too many people are on my server ;)

 

and then again ... why am i answering to something like you?

  lathaan

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Joined: 8/02/04
Posts: 485

9/14/13 6:43:48 AM#27
Originally posted by Ginaz

.. blABLABLA intentional wrong assumptions bla bla ...

on a sidenote: dont you think your sig is pretty embarrassing now that 2013 is coming to an end soon and well ... gw2 is a great success?

  Swids2010

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9/14/13 7:00:11 AM#28
I loved this game played through beta and till about 9months after launch the only problem is I feel no need to return I got my legendary weapon on my main all 3 alts had fractual weapons all my characters had the armour and stats I wanted. My 2 pvp characters had the armour look I wanted. After a couple months in the same tier wvw that gets quite boring too. Would play again if I felt there was something further to earn.
  RizelStar

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9/14/13 7:03:56 AM#29
Tsk tsk tsk.

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  Loke666

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9/14/13 7:17:35 AM#30
Originally posted by Ginaz

Hmm, it wasn't take clear if he meant people doing the SAB is down or that the first SAB brought a lot of people back but the second one didn't and overall numbers are down.  If what he meant was the former rather than the latter then I guess we can disregard all of this.  I was kind of surprised to see the word "dismal" used when describing the population because, even though I stopped playing and uninstalled awhile ago, I know more than a few people who play on a regular basis.

Either way, I'm sure the GW2 White Knight Brigade will be along to sort me out.

Why did you think he mentioned the rewards of the holiday event?

The thing is that playing temporary content for most MMO players is based on fun and reward. Current living story thing have rather slim rewards and isn't  that fun for me at least. That is probably why a dismal number of players play it. Last update had lots of loot, not really that fun in the long run either but plenty of people still played it since it got them closer to their legendaries. Some earlier updates didn't have that much loot but were really fun and were popular as well.

You don't think anyone working for any game actually would say that the number of active players as dismal? If he just been fired, then yes but any employee of any company stating such a thing would be in big trouble.

  lathaan

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Joined: 8/02/04
Posts: 485

9/14/13 7:28:07 AM#31
Originally posted by Swids2010
I loved this game played through beta and till about 9months after launch the only problem is I feel no need to return I got my legendary weapon on my main all 3 alts had fractual weapons all my characters had the armour and stats I wanted. My 2 pvp characters had the armour look I wanted. After a couple months in the same tier wvw that gets quite boring too. Would play again if I felt there was something further to earn.

gw2 is clearly not the BiS for progression-players. it never should be, as i bet most of us actives (and we are a lot) play it for that reason (beyond many more).

  DaezAster

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9/14/13 7:33:37 AM#32
Well as someone who still plays I can tell you I haven't even been slightly interested in the new sab content. It was a cool troll by anet first time around but I'm just not big on throw back gaming. With that said i respect the devs honesty, it's this kind of attitude that keeps the game getting better.
  Adalwulff

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9/14/13 7:42:52 AM#33
Originally posted by cinos
Originally posted by Adalwulff
Originally posted by Meowhead
Originally posted by Adalwulff

You fanbois are hilarious!

Most of you that defended GW2, also said you were NOT playing the game anymore!

And, even though your NOT playing the game, your SURE there are LOTS of people playing it....LOL

I swear, the avg IQ around this site has gone wayyy down over the last few years

Uhhhh... no?  They were just being fair and evenhanded?

This is a crazy concept, but... people who... even if they aren't playing a game, or even aren't a fan of it...

... want to make sure that people make factual statements and don't spread misinformation?

Or are we supposed to lie about the games we don't play/enjoy?  :/

I was proud to see people being fair. :P  This behavior should be encouraged.

 

Thank you so much for proving my point!

How can they be fair and evenhanded, when they are NOT playing?

How can they know what the population is like in GW2, if they are NOT playing?

How can it be "fair", giving opinions about a game you are NOT playing?

How can they know what the people who are actually playing GW2 are thinking, if they are NOT playing?

Because the text the guy quoted was very clearly about SAB and not related to his assumptions.

Because you don't need to play the game to have seen all of the posts reported on this very site about how the population is booming.

Because not everyone in this thread has stopped playing.

 

Hilarious that you are the one complaining about low IQ's. :p

 

Look, more proof!

I never said a word about the SAB or the OPs assumptions. Go back to school and learn reading comprehension

Comments on this website are in NO way indicative of the ACTUAL population in game.....lol

Again read my comment, I didn't say "everyone" on this thread, only the fanbois who said they were NOT playing anymore, but somehow know just how many people are still playing

Thanks for proving my IQ comment  :)

  NobleNerd

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9/14/13 7:53:10 AM#34
Originally posted by evilastro

Yeah as others have mentioned he is referring specifically to those using SAB.

I would go out on a limb and say a large majority of the core GW2 players arent that keen on SAB, they see it as a side-game gimmick. At least thats the impression I got from my guild when I logged on to try the new SAB.  Everyone in my guild was busy doing champions or fractals.

I rarely log onto GW2 anymore, usually for a quick game of PvP, but I like SAB so glad to see it back. But I don't think the core GW2 players feel the same as myself. They would rather be doing other content.   

 

Thank you and the many others that understand the man's statement. I do not play GW2 as much as before but I can tell you from in game experience that when I log in the servers are all listed as high and full. When I go to Lion's Arch and in some other areas I am still being placed in overflow, so the activity in the game is still there.

I am one of those players that tried the SAB and did not like it. It just did not seem to fit into the game. Most MMOs put stupid events into the game and they just do not feel like the world my character is in. About the only games I did a lot of the special events was FFXI and a few in WoW. 

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  Amjoco

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9/14/13 7:55:54 AM#35
Originally posted by lathaan
Originally posted by Ginaz

.. blABLABLA intentional wrong assumptions bla bla ...

on a sidenote: dont you think your sig is pretty embarrassing now that 2013 is coming to an end soon and well ... gw2 is a great success?

Agreed!  At one time the banner may have had some kind of twisted message to it, but now it's just making him look uninformed. The banner and his beginning post prove that point.

 

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  cinos

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9/14/13 7:59:32 AM#36
Originally posted by Adalwulff
Originally posted by cinos
Originally posted by Adalwulff
Originally posted by Meowhead
Originally posted by Adalwulff

You fanbois are hilarious!

Most of you that defended GW2, also said you were NOT playing the game anymore!

And, even though your NOT playing the game, your SURE there are LOTS of people playing it....LOL

I swear, the avg IQ around this site has gone wayyy down over the last few years

Uhhhh... no?  They were just being fair and evenhanded?

This is a crazy concept, but... people who... even if they aren't playing a game, or even aren't a fan of it...

... want to make sure that people make factual statements and don't spread misinformation?

Or are we supposed to lie about the games we don't play/enjoy?  :/

I was proud to see people being fair. :P  This behavior should be encouraged.

 

Thank you so much for proving my point!

How can they be fair and evenhanded, when they are NOT playing?

How can they know what the population is like in GW2, if they are NOT playing?

How can it be "fair", giving opinions about a game you are NOT playing?

How can they know what the people who are actually playing GW2 are thinking, if they are NOT playing?

Because the text the guy quoted was very clearly about SAB and not related to his assumptions.

Because you don't need to play the game to have seen all of the posts reported on this very site about how the population is booming.

Because not everyone in this thread has stopped playing.

 

Hilarious that you are the one complaining about low IQ's. :p

 

Look, more proof!

I never said a word about the SAB or the OPs assumptions. Go back to school and learn reading comprehension

Comments on this website are in NO way indicative of the ACTUAL population in game.....lol

Again read my comment, I didn't say "everyone" on this thread, only the fanbois who said they were NOT playing anymore, but somehow know just how many people are still playing

Thanks for proving my IQ comment  :)

I never said comments. :) I said, posts reported. As in articles posted on this site. Kind of funny considering you insult my reading comprehension.

Then again why am I even talking to you? You clearly have an agenda and are not interested in having a reasonable discussion with anyone in this thread.

You just want to come in, proclaim everyone to be idiotic fanboys and then respond to anyone that challenges you as simply providing you with proof. As if you require validation to make yourself feel better.

Personally I have better things to do on my Saturday than argue with a bunch of text. So I'll leave it to others to try and talk some sense into you. :p

Have fun! :D

  Halandir

Hard Core Member

Joined: 8/02/08
Posts: 748

9/14/13 8:01:56 AM#37
Originally posted by Adalwulff

I never said a word about the SAB or the OPs assumptions. Go back to school and learn reading comprehension

I never said anything about GW2, so how can I be a hater?

My comment is about you guys who are not playing but still know all about whats going on ingame...lol

Thanks for proving my IQ comment

 

So basically you were never on topic and your posts are essentially just ad hominem argumentation.

Yes, sometimes I am amused by people painting themselves into a corner. Thank you!

 

BTW: I play GW2, have no idea about the total population but I seem to run into people everywhere - Just not around the SAB entrance/lobby.

 

We dont need casuals in our games!!! Errm... Well we DO need casuals to fund and populate our games - But the games should be all about "hardcore" because: We dont need casuals in our games!!!
(repeat ad infinitum)

  Betaguy

Novice Member

Joined: 12/31/04
Posts: 2647

Some folks are like Slinkies, totally useless but great fun to watch when pushed down stairs

9/14/13 8:13:42 AM#38
Originally posted by Ginaz

Josh Foreman is a lead dev on GW2.  He designed the Mad King Clock Tower and worked on the Super Adventure Box 1 and 2.  Just throwing that out there in case someone tries to say he's a minor figure or irrelevant to the design of GW2.  Anyway, according to a statement he made on his blog, the number of people actively playing the game is "dismal".  To quote: "Later in the day I casually asked the founder/president if we had any analytics about how many people were playing.  Well collecting that kind of data seems to be really fun for him as far as I can tell, so we ended up working together to gather that information for a while. That was nice, except for finding out what I suspected based on my forum experience: the numbers are pretty dismal (Compared to the exceptional numbers of the first SAB) right now.  I really hope that this patch will bring people back, but without the old reward schedule I don’t think it will happen.  So I’m pretty bummed and feel like I let down the whole company and especially my team because I made some poor judgement calls as coordinator.".

So, contrary to what the fanboys have been claiming, the number of people actually playing has gone down and by quite a bit.  The word "dismal" doesn't strike me as meaning "the population appears to be growing still'.  Discuss amongst yourselves.

http://www.joshuaforeman.blogspot.ca/2013/09/epic-weekend.html

I didn't need to see an official say this, I already knew day one when I logged in.

  User Deleted
9/14/13 8:34:45 AM#39

I rarely log in, but when I do the game is still bustling and busy. On Sea of Sorrows server.

GW2 is the only game I know, aside from WoW, where casual gamers I know IRL are actually playing.

It isn't doing poorly. I am not a big fan of how they handled the game post-launch (I don't like the living story direction they took, I would have preferred permanent content), but lets be realistic, it isn't doing badly.

  Dakeru

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Joined: 9/21/09
Posts: 1035

9/14/13 9:10:56 AM#40

Uhm question since I'm surely not the only one who hit the report button.

How come Adalwulff is still not banned for obvious trolling, baiting and being completely off topic?

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