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  GeezerGamer

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10/04/13 12:25:48 PM#281
Originally posted by Cymdai

To explain how it's not viable.

The difference between your chest piece (probably around...450,000-700,000 gilish? Maybe a bit more?) and the Darklight chest piece (free: 0 gil) is:

+13 Determination (largely useless stat)

+7 Crit rate

Based on a # of dungeon runs alone, it'd be roughly 10 runs vs 10-20 runs.

This is excluding the cost associated with leveling and gearing your crafting class from 1-50, accompanied with the purchase/creation of materia needed for your crafter gear as well (since you can't make Hard Hippo Leather and other pieces with less than 334/318, and with full HQ AF, you'll be at around 300/300) + the food costs.

...if you can't see how that's *NOT* viable, than I can't help you. But for the average player, that's an absurd amount of time, effort, and gil for the most miniscule gains.

It's subjective. On this same page, you made a big deal about it being your opinion. Now you tell me how I can't see that it's not viable as if it's a fact. That's why you are getting challenged over why this is an opinion thread. You say it's your opinion, but you present it like a fact. I still disagree. It's viable. Not cost effective, but someone can wear it and do very well with it. It's viable. I still plan to make those pieces....and wear them. We are still going back to the preference between grinding mats or grinding dungeons.

 

On the day I show up for an instance, and If I am wearing  HQ Gryphonskin melded  armor and I am booted for being under geared, I'll come back and formally announce you were correct.

It's the sad state of the genre. The next big title has as many threads discussing issues with it's business model than issues with the game itself.

  vandal5627

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10/04/13 12:27:42 PM#282
Originally posted by GeezerGamer
Originally posted by Cymdai

To explain how it's not viable.

The difference between your chest piece (probably around...450,000-700,000 gilish? Maybe a bit more?) and the Darklight chest piece (free: 0 gil) is:

+13 Determination (largely useless stat)

+7 Crit rate

Based on a # of dungeon runs alone, it'd be roughly 10 runs vs 10-20 runs.

This is excluding the cost associated with leveling and gearing your crafting class from 1-50, accompanied with the purchase/creation of materia needed for your crafter gear as well (since you can't make Hard Hippo Leather and other pieces with less than 334/318, and with full HQ AF, you'll be at around 300/300) + the food costs.

...if you can't see how that's *NOT* viable, than I can't help you. But for the average player, that's an absurd amount of time, effort, and gil for the most miniscule gains.

It's subjective. On this same page, you made a big deal about it being your opinion. Now you tell me how I can't see that it's not viable as if it's a fact. That's why you are getting challenged over why this is an opinion thread. You say it's your opinion, but you present it like a fact. I still disagree. It's viable. Not cost effective, but someone can wear it and do very well with it. It's viable. I still plan to make those pieces....and wear them. We are still going back to the preference between grinding mats or grinding dungeons.

I don't think he knows what the word viable means.

  Cymdai

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It's my job to be objective, it's my right to have an opinion.

 
OP  10/04/13 12:30:28 PM#283
It isn't economically viable. We can make a poll and see if it's generally agreed upon. There's a reason nearly everyone in end-game is rocking full DL gear, and not full GS gear. Economically not worth it (especially since BC gear will dwarf it anyway)

Waiting for something fresh to arrive on the MMO scene...

  vandal5627

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10/04/13 12:36:08 PM#284
Originally posted by Cymdai
It isn't economically viable. We can make a poll and see if it's generally agreed upon. There's a reason nearly everyone in end-game is rocking full DL gear, and not full GS gear. Economically not worth it (especially since BC gear will dwarf it anyway)

Subjective is subjective, you can make a poll all you want, doesnt matter if the majority feels it's not econimically viable but you can't deny it's economically viable to someone.  Geezergamer already proved that to you.

  Bigdaddyx

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10/04/13 12:46:39 PM#285
Originally posted by vandal5627
Originally posted by Cymdai
It isn't economically viable. We can make a poll and see if it's generally agreed upon. There's a reason nearly everyone in end-game is rocking full DL gear, and not full GS gear. Economically not worth it (especially since BC gear will dwarf it anyway)

Subjective is subjective, you can make a poll all you want, doesnt matter if the majority feels it's not econimically viable but you can't deny it's economically viable to someone.  Geezergamer already proved that to you.

Nice shifting of goal posts there. When you can't prove otherwise lets hide behind 'all opinions are subjective'. Nice one.

I am still waiting for geeze to show me crafted end game weapon which is better than the relic.

Because that is what was the actual discussion. Crafted gear beingequal and better than raid gear. Until OP was off tracked by 'subjective herp derp'.

  User Deleted
10/04/13 12:57:32 PM#286


Originally posted by Bigdaddyx

Originally posted by GeezerGamer

Originally posted by Cymdai So, while that shows what the armor would look like, it doesn't disprove anything. In fact, it confirms exactly what I said: You could just run AK/CM and farm full darklight gear, and you'll be on par with someone who is wearing unfilled T2 gear. In other words, the sole reason to level crafting for end-game is if you're a supremely obsessed min-maxer.  That, to me, doesn't justify the time spent, the lack of utility, or the resources required. Considering you can run BC with just Darklight gear, what that confirms is that T2 gear is simply inefficient. I don't see how you can dispute that. On a cost-effectiveness scale, DL gear is identical to T2 gear, costs SUBSTANTIALLY less to come by in terms of time and gil required, and the stat differences are up to the player (which, after the second materia, becomes even more of a gil/timesink) Thanks for helping me prove my point.
You have completely discounted the person who likes to craft because they like doing it. It is infinitely more meaningful for me to wear an item I made then dungeon farmed. It adds meaning to the game. Again, you come into this tread with your subjective opinions and present them as facts. To me, crafting IS part of endgame. A big part of endgame.
If we are going to take road of subjective opinions then crafting is party of every MMO because simply people enjoy doing that. But this isn't about your subjective feelings.

This is about role of crafting in end game and if it is viable in comparison to PVE end game gear..answer is obvious one. Nope. No amount of subjective opinions can change that.

Its another typical themepark MMO where crafting is nothing more than time / resource sink and a mini game to keep players distracted while PVE end game raiding gets all the focus.



That's cool. I'll just keep having a blast crafting, trading, selling, adding to my friends list, making gil and having an overal enjoyable mmo experience.

Your endgame and my endgame are different. They are both valid. In the context of this game, yours doesn't work and mine does.

  User Deleted
10/04/13 1:01:29 PM#287


Originally posted by Bigdaddyx
I am still waiting for geeze to show me crafted end game weapon which is better than the relic.

I'll wait for you to prove that 100% of the people who play are going to attain all relic weapons and armor for all their level 50 classes.

When you realize that obviously they all wont, you'll also realize that crafted gear is endgame viable.

  Zalmon

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10/04/13 1:06:46 PM#288
Originally posted by Foomerang

 


Originally posted by Bigdaddyx
I am still waiting for geeze to show me crafted end game weapon which is better than the relic.

 

I'll wait for you to prove that 100% of the people who play are going to attain all relic weapons and armor for all their level 50 classes.

When you realize that obviously they all wont, you'll also realize that crafted gear is endgame viable.

The OP's main point was crafting gear being weak in comparison to the crafted gear. That has nothing to do with subjective opinion. Yes not everyone is into raiding but that still doesn't change the fact that best end game gear comes from raiding..which is a typical themepark formula where crafting is just a filler and nothing more.

End game raiding is where SE's main focus is and that is why crafted gear will never be better than end game dungeon gear because they want the carrot to make people sub.

  GeezerGamer

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10/04/13 1:08:00 PM#289
Originally posted by Bigdaddyx
 

Nice shifting of goal posts there. When you can't prove otherwise lets hide behind 'all opinions are subjective'. Nice one.

I am still waiting for geeze to show me crafted end game weapon which is better than the relic.

Because that is what was the actual discussion. Crafted gear beingequal and better than raid gear. Until OP was off tracked by 'subjective herp derp'.

OK, You have gotten me interested now. I have a new goal. Unfortunately, tt the present time, I am not in a position to do this, but I will be. When I am.  this is what I will do  (When I have all the gear) After I've collected and maxed out my crafted gear set and have the best I can craft on my Bard from LW and CRP and have gotten the best accessories from GSM. I also believe that by then I'll also have Relic+1 and full DL.

So I will run the parse logger app I downloaded. and hit the target dummies and run the exact same rotation.

1st I will wear the DL+Relic.

2nd I will wear all crafted gear.

When that happens, I will post the results.

 

P.S. If someone who can be objective enough and has both full sets of gear is in a position to run the test before I can, I'd be very curious to see the results between full PVE gear vs full Crafted gear.

It's the sad state of the genre. The next big title has as many threads discussing issues with it's business model than issues with the game itself.

  vandal5627

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10/04/13 1:10:45 PM#290
Originally posted by Bigdaddyx
Originally posted by vandal5627
Originally posted by Cymdai
It isn't economically viable. We can make a poll and see if it's generally agreed upon. There's a reason nearly everyone in end-game is rocking full DL gear, and not full GS gear. Economically not worth it (especially since BC gear will dwarf it anyway)

Subjective is subjective, you can make a poll all you want, doesnt matter if the majority feels it's not econimically viable but you can't deny it's economically viable to someone.  Geezergamer already proved that to you.

Nice shifting of goal posts there. When you can't prove otherwise lets hide behind 'all opinions are subjective'. Nice one.

I am still waiting for geeze to show me crafted end game weapon which is better than the relic.

Because that is what was the actual discussion. Crafted gear beingequal and better than raid gear. Until OP was off tracked by 'subjective herp derp'.

I responded to his comment, I couldn't care less about what your goal post is even less about proving to someone who obviously disregards any proof provided.

  Ariely

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10/04/13 1:27:33 PM#291

Issue #1: Crafting is utterly useless

Issue #2: Fates have rendered the game utterly pointless

Issue #3: Everyone has hit level 50, and as such, is picking up a craft

Issue #4: The duty finder has far too many DPS, and not enough tanks/healers to go around

Issue #5: The game is entirely too easy in all aspects

Issue #6: There simply isn't enough to do once you hit 50

Issue #7: The gil-sinks, gil-gains debate (which is covered by MMORPG.com already) and the gil-sellers

Issue #8: The staying power is not present.

 

1: I do find that this is true, well besides the materia melding that is, after spending time and Gil into 1 craft ( not lvl50) i quickly realised that crafting is useless.

2: Imo yes, but no one is forcing u to do them, they're a part of the game and u dont necesarely need to join them, i know i didn't, it destroyes a part of the game that i personly enjoy the most, the journey to 50, the quest, the running around. But i do get your point.

3: Hitting lvl 50 takes (not long) but also depends how u play, if u rush the game then yes, u'll hit 50 pretty quick.

4: as a healer i find it easy to find a party, but as a dps i've heard of q's for 50+- min's

5: true but then again the lack of skills and things to do are limited to

6: exactly, farming cm(dungeon) to get tomes to buy gear and that's it, and lvling second job is a pain in the behind without REPEATABLE quests.

7:i had the same concerns about the gil-sink and i also feel your pain with the gil-sellers

8: for me, they only need to add small things to make me buy gamecard. like repeatable quest's ( they should've different job/class story line's) more dungeons, more things to do.

 

overall, i had plenty of fun making it to lvl50 but now i'm here and i've done the primals etc i feel like i'm done tbh, i would love to test out more classes but spamming fate's doesn't really attract me at all.

but i'll stick around abit longer, no other mmo is...well intresting for me

 

  remyburke

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10/04/13 1:30:20 PM#292

IMO this game has more staying power than many others of its ilk to come out in the last 8 years. If you already finished all the content this game has to offer, than you will likely feel that way about any game you play.

 

I have a 25 Carpenter, 25 Armorsmith, 25 Miner, 25 Bontanist, 23 Lancer and 23 Guardian. I've got a LONG way to go. :)

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  Zalmon

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10/04/13 1:34:20 PM#293
Originally posted by vandal5627
Originally posted by Bigdaddyx
Originally posted by vandal5627
Originally posted by Cymdai
It isn't economically viable. We can make a poll and see if it's generally agreed upon. There's a reason nearly everyone in end-game is rocking full DL gear, and not full GS gear. Economically not worth it (especially since BC gear will dwarf it anyway)

Subjective is subjective, you can make a poll all you want, doesnt matter if the majority feels it's not econimically viable but you can't deny it's economically viable to someone.  Geezergamer already proved that to you.

Nice shifting of goal posts there. When you can't prove otherwise lets hide behind 'all opinions are subjective'. Nice one.

I am still waiting for geeze to show me crafted end game weapon which is better than the relic.

Because that is what was the actual discussion. Crafted gear beingequal and better than raid gear. Until OP was off tracked by 'subjective herp derp'.

I responded to his comment, I couldn't care less about what your goal post is even less about proving to someone who obviously disregards any proof provided.

The fact is that best end game gear comes from raiding. And that is what was OP trying to say. And there is no proof unless you make something up imaginary. Crafted gear is just a filler till you get all the DL peices and relic weapon.

And you don't even need that since you can do speed runs easily with class gear that you get at lvl 50 + weapon bought by GC seals and get decked in full DL.

  User Deleted
10/04/13 1:42:17 PM#294


Originally posted by Zalmon

Originally posted by Foomerang  

Originally posted by Bigdaddyx I am still waiting for geeze to show me crafted end game weapon which is better than the relic.
  I'll wait for you to prove that 100% of the people who play are going to attain all relic weapons and armor for all their level 50 classes. When you realize that obviously they all wont, you'll also realize that crafted gear is endgame viable.
The OP's main point was crafting gear being weak in comparison to the crafted gear. That has nothing to do with subjective opinion. Yes not everyone is into raiding but that still doesn't change the fact that best end game gear comes from raiding..which is a typical themepark formula where crafting is just a filler and nothing more.

End game raiding is where SE's main focus is and that is why crafted gear will never be better than end game dungeon gear because they want the carrot to make people sub.



It is all subjective though.

For example, where does the best materia come from?
Where do the best consumables come from?
Where does the best crafting gear come from?

You keep insisting that SE's main focus is end game raiding yet the first patch is equal parts dungeons, raids, housing, and pvp.

If you think crafting is typical themepark filler and nothing more, I really don't know what else to tell you than you probably don't play mmos for the crafting anyway.

For those of us who do, its an amazing mmo.

  vandal5627

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10/04/13 1:45:54 PM#295
Originally posted by Zalmon
Originally posted by vandal5627
Originally posted by Bigdaddyx
Originally posted by vandal5627
Originally posted by Cymdai
It isn't economically viable. We can make a poll and see if it's generally agreed upon. There's a reason nearly everyone in end-game is rocking full DL gear, and not full GS gear. Economically not worth it (especially since BC gear will dwarf it anyway)

Subjective is subjective, you can make a poll all you want, doesnt matter if the majority feels it's not econimically viable but you can't deny it's economically viable to someone.  Geezergamer already proved that to you.

Nice shifting of goal posts there. When you can't prove otherwise lets hide behind 'all opinions are subjective'. Nice one.

I am still waiting for geeze to show me crafted end game weapon which is better than the relic.

Because that is what was the actual discussion. Crafted gear beingequal and better than raid gear. Until OP was off tracked by 'subjective herp derp'.

I responded to his comment, I couldn't care less about what your goal post is even less about proving to someone who obviously disregards any proof provided.

The fact is that best end game gear comes from raiding. And that is what was OP trying to say. And there is no proof unless you make something up imaginary. Crafted gear is just a filler till you get all the DL peices and relic weapon.

Again, I responded with my thoughts on his comment, based on his reponse to Geezer, he said that the armor was viable which he proved but not economically viable which I said it's subjective, is that wrong?  I am not arguing what the OP is trying to say.

  Zalmon

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Posts: 323

10/04/13 1:56:15 PM#296
Originally posted by Foomerang

 


Originally posted by Zalmon

Originally posted by Foomerang  

Originally posted by Bigdaddyx I am still waiting for geeze to show me crafted end game weapon which is better than the relic.
  I'll wait for you to prove that 100% of the people who play are going to attain all relic weapons and armor for all their level 50 classes. When you realize that obviously they all wont, you'll also realize that crafted gear is endgame viable.
The OP's main point was crafting gear being weak in comparison to the crafted gear. That has nothing to do with subjective opinion. Yes not everyone is into raiding but that still doesn't change the fact that best end game gear comes from raiding..which is a typical themepark formula where crafting is just a filler and nothing more.

 

End game raiding is where SE's main focus is and that is why crafted gear will never be better than end game dungeon gear because they want the carrot to make people sub.



It is all subjective though.

 

For example, where does the best materia come from?
Where do the best consumables come from?
Where does the best crafting gear come from?

You keep insisting that SE's main focus is end game raiding yet the first patch is equal parts dungeons, raids, housing, and pvp.

If you think crafting is typical themepark filler and nothing more, I really don't know what else to tell you than you probably don't play mmos for the crafting anyway.

For those of us who do, its an amazing mmo.

 

There we go again....

'i think crafting sucks / i think crafting is awesome' ----- subjective opinion.

'Best end game gears come from raiding and not crafting' ----- not subjective opinion.

All themepark MMOS release with PVP even if it is just in its most basic form. So if SE is releasing PVP in next patch doesn't mean that it is the focus. Same goes for housing. It is something almost every MMO releases because fluff and distractions are important.

So nope delayed features doesn't mean equal parts focus. Don't tell me later that i 'told you so'. But if you think raiding won't be the main focus then i guess you haven't really researched much into Yoshi and where he wants to take this game.

And yes crafting is just a basic filler and nothing more otherwise crafting gear would be on par with dungeon gear.

Only because you push few more buttons and combine number of materials together with nice animations doesn't mean crafting has somehow suddenly became relevant in a themepark MMOS.

  page975

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Posts: 317

10/04/13 2:04:58 PM#297

Almost 300 post

100 say I don't like crafting

100 say you better like crafting

100 just stoped playing

Should this game be called " Final Fantasy crafting XIV "......Because no one ever told before I started that you BETTER like crafting or you will not like this game :( 

  vandal5627

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Posts: 318

10/04/13 2:08:19 PM#298
Originally posted by Zalmon
Originally posted by Foomerang

 


Originally posted by Zalmon

Originally posted by Foomerang  

Originally posted by Bigdaddyx I am still waiting for geeze to show me crafted end game weapon which is better than the relic.
  I'll wait for you to prove that 100% of the people who play are going to attain all relic weapons and armor for all their level 50 classes. When you realize that obviously they all wont, you'll also realize that crafted gear is endgame viable.
The OP's main point was crafting gear being weak in comparison to the crafted gear. That has nothing to do with subjective opinion. Yes not everyone is into raiding but that still doesn't change the fact that best end game gear comes from raiding..which is a typical themepark formula where crafting is just a filler and nothing more.

 

End game raiding is where SE's main focus is and that is why crafted gear will never be better than end game dungeon gear because they want the carrot to make people sub.



It is all subjective though.

 

For example, where does the best materia come from?
Where do the best consumables come from?
Where does the best crafting gear come from?

You keep insisting that SE's main focus is end game raiding yet the first patch is equal parts dungeons, raids, housing, and pvp.

If you think crafting is typical themepark filler and nothing more, I really don't know what else to tell you than you probably don't play mmos for the crafting anyway.

For those of us who do, its an amazing mmo.

 

There we go again....

'i think crafting sucks / i think crafting is awesome' ----- subjective opinion.

'Best end game gears come from raiding and not crafting' ----- not subjective opinion.

All themepark MMOS release with PVP even if it is just in its most basic form. So if SE is releasing PVP in next patch doesn't mean that it is the focus. Same goes for housing. It is something almost every MMO releases because fluff and distractions are important.

So nope delayed features doesn't mean equal parts focus. Don't tell me later that i 'told you so'. But if you think raiding won't be the main focus then i guess you haven't really researched much into Yoshi and where he wants to take this game.

And yes crafting is just a basic filler and nothing more otherwise crafting gear would be on par with dungeon gear.

Only because you push few more buttons and combine number of materials together with nice animations doesn't mean crafting has somehow suddenly became relevant in a themepark MMOS.

Because you said so right?  If you did any research he said crafting would be just as important, not a filler like you said.  Do you even look past anything besides your nose?  For some people, crafting is the whole game to them.  It might not be relevant to you but relevant to guys like foom and geezer, are they playing the game wrong?  There's a reason he is providing all these types of things for people to do.  Some people focus on Raiding, some people focus on crafting, some people only focus on PVPing, some people just want to decorate houses.  Are you going to tell me they are playing the game wrong?

  ZizouX

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Joined: 5/17/11
Posts: 661

10/04/13 2:19:28 PM#299

My opinion on why this game has staying power.

 

1.  Best console controls of any MMO.

 

2.  PS3 and PS4 fanbase untapped by 99% of other mmos.  PS4 will look and run as well as High Settings on current PC.  PS4 FREE upgrade without anyone that PS3.

 

3. Japanese Playerbase will keep this game afloat even if no one in Eurpore or NA plays.

 

4. Brand name + Good product (better than Brand Name + Horrible product)(see SWTOR and FFXIV 1.0).

 

5. Crafting is amazing.

 

6. Housing is DEEP which synergizes with crafting and RAIDING.  You can't craft some of the best and awesome pieces without beating content.  Primals drop items used for crafting (not in game, but confirmed).

 

7.  SE is just like Blizzard.  The game wasn't built with 3rd party investors wanting ROI (return on investment) at a certain time and for a certain profit.  Just like FFXI, the plan is LONG TERM.  It's to have a steady income for 10+ years.  YoshiP said all this game needs is 400k subscribers to keep going for 10+ years.  This game will get that much in JAPAN alone.

 

8. The PvE content is design exceptionally well.  There are rarily any tank and spanks.  Even the first boss in the first dungeon requires dodging mechanics and or add management.

 

9. End game is hard, and hardcore players love it.  No one has beaten the last boss of Coil (turn 5) and we're a month and a half in.

 

10. PvP will synergize with crafting.  YoshiP was hardcore pvp player in DAOC.  HE made a priority to have meaningful and good PvP.  It may not be the best, but we can be optimistic that PvP won't be an afterthought (like Illium in SWTOR).  RvR is also on the horizon.  PvP will have SEPARATE abilities from PvE so that you wn't have to worry about PvP effecting nerfs/buffs in PvE (i'm looking at you WOW).

 

11. Being multiple classes on one character.  Longevity, for people not rushing to end game with only one class, no crafting, no gathering, and no reading of the story, this game is a casual players DREAM.

 

12.  There is no sense that SE is nickle and diming you. You have plenty of inventory.  No content is gated.  Everyone has access to everything.  Legacy playes pay $10 a month, and new players pay $12 for teh starter plan which is lower than the industry average (= FFXIV provides VALUE).

 

13. Golden Saucer with 3 minigames (chocobo raising, racing, card mini game, etc) Unconfirmed as to minigames but confirmed that there will be at LEAST 3 minigames in the golden saucer.

 

14. Promise of heavy content patches every 2-3 months with the next 3 content patches already planned and currently being developed.

 

Gw2 only other game with regular content patches, but for me, they're snacks compared to the heavy and fulfilling meals offered by SE.  This game is not going anywhere and will be around for 10+ years. (and will remain subscription for that period of time just like FFXI). 

 

I've found my home, I hope you guys find yours.

  Zalmon

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10/04/13 2:35:55 PM#300
Originally posted by vandal5627
Originally posted by Zalmon
Originally posted by Foomerang

 


Originally posted by Zalmon

Originally posted by Foomerang  

Originally posted by Bigdaddyx I am still waiting for geeze to show me crafted end game weapon which is better than the relic.
  I'll wait for you to prove that 100% of the people who play are going to attain all relic weapons and armor for all their level 50 classes. When you realize that obviously they all wont, you'll also realize that crafted gear is endgame viable.
The OP's main point was crafting gear being weak in comparison to the crafted gear. That has nothing to do with subjective opinion. Yes not everyone is into raiding but that still doesn't change the fact that best end game gear comes from raiding..which is a typical themepark formula where crafting is just a filler and nothing more.

 

End game raiding is where SE's main focus is and that is why crafted gear will never be better than end game dungeon gear because they want the carrot to make people sub.



It is all subjective though.

 

For example, where does the best materia come from?
Where do the best consumables come from?
Where does the best crafting gear come from?

You keep insisting that SE's main focus is end game raiding yet the first patch is equal parts dungeons, raids, housing, and pvp.

If you think crafting is typical themepark filler and nothing more, I really don't know what else to tell you than you probably don't play mmos for the crafting anyway.

For those of us who do, its an amazing mmo.

 

There we go again....

'i think crafting sucks / i think crafting is awesome' ----- subjective opinion.

'Best end game gears come from raiding and not crafting' ----- not subjective opinion.

All themepark MMOS release with PVP even if it is just in its most basic form. So if SE is releasing PVP in next patch doesn't mean that it is the focus. Same goes for housing. It is something almost every MMO releases because fluff and distractions are important.

So nope delayed features doesn't mean equal parts focus. Don't tell me later that i 'told you so'. But if you think raiding won't be the main focus then i guess you haven't really researched much into Yoshi and where he wants to take this game.

And yes crafting is just a basic filler and nothing more otherwise crafting gear would be on par with dungeon gear.

Only because you push few more buttons and combine number of materials together with nice animations doesn't mean crafting has somehow suddenly became relevant in a themepark MMOS.

Because you said so right?  If you did any research he said crafting would be just as important, not a filler like you said.  Do you even look past anything besides your nose?  For some people, crafting is the whole game to them.  It might not be relevant to you but relevant to guys like foom and geezer, are they playing the game wrong?  There's a reason he is providing all these types of things for people to do.  Some people focus on Raiding, some people focus on crafting, some people only focus on PVPing, some people just want to decorate houses.  Are you going to tell me they are playing the game wrong?

I am taking a very educated guess here.

Since beginning Yoshi is following the WOW model and we know how these things go. For crafting to be important it has to be on par with raiding gear. You must be crazy if you think that is ever going to happen. So how is crafting going to be of any importance when it is always going to be secondary to raiding gear?

Once again OP's point of relevancy wasn't about whether you like to craft or not. But he was making comparisons to end game dungeon gear and in that case yes crafting is pointless. As far PVP and housing is concerned i never said anything about people playing game wrong if they like these two features.

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