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  Ikeda

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9/10/13 6:39:58 AM#41
... And while I understand efficiency, if you're bored there are seriously 4-5 other instances you could run to get these drops ...

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  Spaceweed10

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Where do we go from here?

9/10/13 6:44:29 AM#42
Nothing to see here /thread.
  duiLucid

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9/10/13 6:55:20 AM#43
Originally posted by time007
Originally posted by Utinni
The endgame of all MMO's is a gear grind. Even in open pvp games you are typically fighting over a resource that pertains to gear. 

WRONG.  What about DAOC?  all means every game.  I just named one that isn't a gear grind.  What about Darkfall?  Well anyways the list goes on to prove that not all MMO's endgame is a gear grind.

 

somebody grew up playing WoW

Darkfall is fun to exploit and irritate it's "community", otherwise boring.

DAoC was boring.

UO was ok.

Realm was ok.

The end game of all games is either grinding something, or uninstalling it.

Someone is a vapid cunt.

  nerovipus32

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9/10/13 6:58:14 AM#44
Originally posted by Darknessguy64

Sorry there isn't endless content for you OP. I guess you beat the game and can save yourself months or years of subscription costs.

 

Good luck on your next MMO. I hope you find what you are searching for.

Well it's not worth a subscription then if that's the case.

  Bigdaddyx

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Joined: 5/24/10
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9/10/13 7:40:23 AM#45
Originally posted by Swedish_Chef
Originally posted by Bigdaddyx
Originally posted by Hitman211
Originally posted by Bigdaddyx
Originally posted by Utinni
The endgame of all MMO's is a gear grind. Even in open pvp games you are typically fighting over a resource that pertains to gear. 

Not all. And FFXIV type of gear grind is the worst. Spend months to get what you need just to be rendered useless with new set of armor in an expac. Rine and repeat. The laziest and cheapest way to keep players subbed. Such an archaic model for end game.

Whats wrong with people liking this kind of endgame content?

 

Why do you need all the gear in game ASAP?  What does it matter if they then release more content?

 

Im not getting this tbh, and it seems a mentality that should be foreign to mmorpg forums.

 

its not an archaic model, I would take it over a game that offered me all the games gear right off the bat....which seems to be what some want...then what?

Grind stuff for fun I take it?  Quit and move on?  What exactly do you want out of endgame for a mmorpg? 

 

I can tell you already that quite a few games give you everything on a silver platter come endgame, and then offer you....well you can do those dungeons again for nothing, or pvp, you can queue for pvp till the sun burns out.

 

Why cant there be a game like this for people who want it without people trying to convince them that they infact should hate this type of endgame?  Want no end game progression they already have 50 games like that, most don't play them very long and move on...

Next time try to read properly and understand what i was trying to say and i will reply to you. Currently the wall of text you wrote has nothing to do with what i wrote.

Not even once i said anything about handing gear to people on silver platter or wanting the gear in game asap. Nice strawmans though.

Actually, it does. Or rather, you implied a great deal of the points he addressed.

Complaining about spending months to get what you need most certainly implies that you're unhappy with the amount of time obtaining gear takes. Granted this isn't the same thing as saying outright that you want gear 'on a silver platter', but it's really not that much of a stretch to read it that fashion.

Jesus.. i wasn't complaining about the amount if time it takes to get the gear but how this over all design works. Players take months to get their gear setsonly to be replaced by gear with better stats. This is like an endless grind akin to hamster on a wheel. You keep chasing these stats months after months to be replaced and completely rendered useless by better stats. This is the kind of raiding WOW brought to MMO genre and Yoshida is just copy pasting it in FFXIV.

You call the model archaic, cheap, and lazy. Sorry, but it's clear as day that you feel there is something wrong with the model itself and (though it's a bit of a stretch here) the type of people who enjoy it. I will also point out that he asked what you would prefer in place of said model, yet instead of responding to his question (which most certainly was related to your post) you insult his reading comprehension & accuse him of making strawman arguments.

Yes i call it an archaic model because it was made famous by WOW which is no 10 years old atleast? when so many MMOS are trying to branch out and incorporate a lot more end game activities all you are left with is raid or die in FFXIV. Not everyone is into crafting or gathering. Some people only enjoy combat and they have no other option than grinding dungeons at lvl 50. End game is very weak and archiac at best in its design. And then people wonder why there is such a sharp decline in population in P2P MMOS after the first month? i get such a deja vu feeling from FFXIV's end game and i see it going the same route in population decline as other P2P MMOS in past once free month is over. It is lazy design. Just assemble together couple of new dungeons every couple of months, add armors with better stats and keep people chasing that cheese.

Perhaps next time you could clarify your statement a bit more instead of dismissing him outright. I'll agree that there are several assumptions made on his part, but hardly anything calling for insults and / or derision on your part.

I hope i cleared what i was trying to say with my reply.

I'll also add that if you think his post is a 'wall of text', then you and I have very different ideas of what that term means.

 

 

 

  shadow9d9

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Joined: 6/14/06
Posts: 365

9/10/13 7:57:19 AM#46
Originally posted by Utinni
The endgame of all MMO's is a gear grind. Even in open pvp games you are typically fighting over a resource that pertains to gear. 

You've simply been trained to accept it.  Wow clones end with gear grinds.  There shouldn't even BE a max level that you could hit, a la Asheron's Call(at least not for many years).

  Alamareth

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Joined: 1/03/06
Posts: 591

9/10/13 8:17:16 AM#47

Perhaps its worth noting that AF2 gear is limited by ToMs of which are capped at 300 per week.  One full AK run nets you 40 ToMs, so your minimally efficient run total is 8 per week.

That's the best gear and to stay at the top of the curve thats 8 dungeon runs a week.  That's a grind?

  LizardEgypt

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Joined: 2/25/09
Posts: 359

Hmm ?

9/10/13 8:23:35 AM#48
Originally posted by Bigdaddyx
Originally posted by Swedish_Chef
Originally posted by Bigdaddyx
Originally posted by Hitman211
Originally posted by Bigdaddyx
Originally posted by Utinni
The endgame of all MMO's is a gear grind. Even in open pvp games you are typically fighting over a resource that pertains to gear. 

Not all. And FFXIV type of gear grind is the worst. Spend months to get what you need just to be rendered useless with new set of armor in an expac. Rine and repeat. The laziest and cheapest way to keep players subbed. Such an archaic model for end game.

Whats wrong with people liking this kind of endgame content?

 

Why do you need all the gear in game ASAP?  What does it matter if they then release more content?

 

Im not getting this tbh, and it seems a mentality that should be foreign to mmorpg forums.

 

its not an archaic model, I would take it over a game that offered me all the games gear right off the bat....which seems to be what some want...then what?

Grind stuff for fun I take it?  Quit and move on?  What exactly do you want out of endgame for a mmorpg? 

 

I can tell you already that quite a few games give you everything on a silver platter come endgame, and then offer you....well you can do those dungeons again for nothing, or pvp, you can queue for pvp till the sun burns out.

 

Why cant there be a game like this for people who want it without people trying to convince them that they infact should hate this type of endgame?  Want no end game progression they already have 50 games like that, most don't play them very long and move on...

Next time try to read properly and understand what i was trying to say and i will reply to you. Currently the wall of text you wrote has nothing to do with what i wrote.

Not even once i said anything about handing gear to people on silver platter or wanting the gear in game asap. Nice strawmans though.

Actually, it does. Or rather, you implied a great deal of the points he addressed.

Complaining about spending months to get what you need most certainly implies that you're unhappy with the amount of time obtaining gear takes. Granted this isn't the same thing as saying outright that you want gear 'on a silver platter', but it's really not that much of a stretch to read it that fashion.

Jesus.. i wasn't complaining about the amount if time it takes to get the gear but how this over all design works. Players take months to get their gear setsonly to be replaced by gear with better stats. This is like an endless grind akin to hamster on a wheel. You keep chasing these stats months after months to be replaced and completely rendered useless by better stats. This is the kind of raiding WOW brought to MMO genre and Yoshida is just copy pasting it in FFXIV.

You call the model archaic, cheap, and lazy. Sorry, but it's clear as day that you feel there is something wrong with the model itself and (though it's a bit of a stretch here) the type of people who enjoy it. I will also point out that he asked what you would prefer in place of said model, yet instead of responding to his question (which most certainly was related to your post) you insult his reading comprehension & accuse him of making strawman arguments.

Yes i call it an archaic model because it was made famous by WOW which is no 10 years old atleast? when so many MMOS are trying to branch out and incorporate a lot more end game activities all you are left with is raid or die in FFXIV. Not everyone is into crafting or gathering. Some people only enjoy combat and they have no other option than grinding dungeons at lvl 50. End game is very weak and archiac at best in its design. And then people wonder why there is such a sharp decline in population in P2P MMOS after the first month? i get such a deja vu feeling from FFXIV's end game and i see it going the same route in population decline as other P2P MMOS in past once free month is over. It is lazy design. Just assemble together couple of new dungeons every couple of months, add armors with better stats and keep people chasing that cheese.

Perhaps next time you could clarify your statement a bit more instead of dismissing him outright. I'll agree that there are several assumptions made on his part, but hardly anything calling for insults and / or derision on your part.

I hope i cleared what i was trying to say with my reply.

I'll also add that if you think his post is a 'wall of text', then you and I have very different ideas of what that term means.

 

 

 

You're missing a lot of the point I think. I've had a great deal of enjoyment playing the game and leveling and as much as I dislike token farming end-games, the point of this game is to do dungeons and group with people. If you dislike that, or think it is archaic, or weak, either design your own MMO or stop playing them entirely. It's possible you are playing the wrong genre, there a a massive amount of non-grindy games that don't subject you to grouping end-game farming that you don't seem to want to be a part of.

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  Bigdaddyx

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Joined: 5/24/10
Posts: 1600

9/10/13 8:28:29 AM#49
Originally posted by LizardEgypt

 

You're missing a lot of the point I think. I've had a great deal of enjoyment playing the game and leveling and as much as I dislike token farming end-games, the point of this game is to do dungeons and group with people. If you dislike that, or think it is archaic, or weak, either design your own MMO or stop playing them entirely. It's possible you are playing the wrong genre, there a a massive amount of non-grindy games that don't subject you to grouping end-game farming that you don't seem to want to be a part of.

I knew sooner or later someone will come up with 'make your own MMO or stop them playing entirely' as if all MMOS are still following this old WOW gear treadmill formula. And what is even more ironic is that you are telling me that i am a missing a lot of points. And yes i have stopped playing FFXIV couple of days ago once i realised what i am faced with at 50 since i have no interest in crafting or gathering classes. I was really hoping there will be some variety at end game. But i won't deny that leveling experince was really best part of it all.

Yes MMOs have end game grinding for gear and stats but a lot of these same MMOS do not have 'just' gear grinding for end game.

A good MMO is one which gives players choices and not force them just to raid or quit. In my case i had no choice but to 'quit'. Deja Vu from Rift (even though Rift later on realised this and branched out itself in lot of various end game activities) and SWTOR? i certainly had one. Good luck to SE in keeping 300,000 concurrent players after free month is over.

  kilun

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Posts: 687

9/10/13 8:47:30 AM#50
Originally posted by Kayo45
I for one miss RNG. These token things are just stupid. Its like giving the losers a trophy for participation. "Aww poor Timmy didnt get his reward this time, lets switch to tokens so he can feel like he accomplished something." Sucks that FFXIV is doing the same. Oh well.

OP: Try playing the game for fun, not gear. I for one never gave a rats ass about getting all the gear immidiately and always seem to enjoy most MMO end games more than those like you seem to be. You dont want to run Garuda for the 50th time? Do something else. Nothing fun to do? Quit for a few months. Its really not that complicated.

I do not miss RNG.  After AoC and Ranger gear dropping ever night for 3 weeks (pugging Rangers because ours where fully geared) i'll never miss it.  Then again, a good medium would be both dropping.  Gear and then like tokens at same time.  So that you aren't 100% relying on the RNG get your stuff.  (I know AoC introduced this at some point)

  azonic69

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9/10/13 8:48:47 AM#51
Originally posted by LacedOpium

 

What I really find amazing is the patience of so many posters in their attempts to try to explain to these content locusts, who haven't the slightest concept of what an MMORPG is supposed to deliver, or how one is to be played, the finer points of how to successfully play, and enjoy, an MMORPG.  All these content locusts do is rush to end game and then once there, they do nothing but complain.  Their complaints are varied but their more popular complaints range from "I'm max level, so what do I do now?" to " I'm bored there is nothing to do," and of course the one involved in this thread, "Yes there is something to do but it's too hard or its grindy."  It's always some wishy-washy complaint that has nothing to do with the game and everything to do with the fact that they haven't the slightest idea of what playing in an MMORPG entails.  You simply can not satisfy these people.  Quit trying to convince them to stay.  Let them go.  I guarantee you the community will be better off for it. 

 

Here's a clue for the clueless:  An MMORPG is about community.  It is about making friends and forming bonds.  For the most, you will make friends and form bonds in your journey to end game.  Once there, this so called gear grind is simply the mechanism that will encourage  and enable you to team and enjoy those friendships and strong bonds.  It is not about you, and what you want, or how fast you can get it.  It is all a social exercise.  That is the joy of MMORPGs. 

What I really find amazing is how people like you are trying to tell others how they are playing a game the wrong way. There is no wrong way to play an MMO if the guy enjoys rushing to cap well there's nothing you can say about it, he enjoys that play style and you don't.... end of story.

I personally think that the part where you go on about community, making friends and forming bonds is B.S. Am I telling you that you have no idea how to play the game ? No, that's how you enjoy the game and that's fine with me. 

And to come back to O.P, he is not saying i'm lvl cap now what? He is saying that he's level cap, and that so far his experience with what is available to do has not been a good one, because the dungeons are apparantly too hard, people are not good enough / don't have enough gear to beat the starter instance. So the only choice he has if he wants to make any kind of progress is to run that starter instance back to back, since trying to do anything pass that starter instance = wipe / fail / waste of time.

If the instance are really that hard, it doesn't matter if he hit level cap in a day or in 6 months, the instance will be just as hard and he will hit the same wall. So your entire argument about hitting lvl cap too fast and complaining is irrelevant.

Personally, hard instance are a good thing for me, so really looking forward to trying them out when i'm 50 tonight or tomorrow.

  udon

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Posts: 1614

9/10/13 9:00:20 AM#52
Originally posted by time007

Just an fyi post for those wondering what happens after 50:

 

You grind a starter dungeon doing speed runs for 50 tokens a pop.  the starter dungeon can take anywhere from 20 minutes to 1 hour/90 minutes (if you even finish it) depending on if people aggro mobs while the tank is speed running and gathering all the mobs to die in the boss room.

 

Gear costs like 375 - 1325 tokens per piece, in the end, it'll cost like 3500 tokens for a full set of armor, then 375 for each jewelry piece.  You can use the gear that drops in dungeons, its like level 55, but the starter token gear is 70 I think. 

You can do other things, like the 2nd dungeon, ifrit or garuda and other things BUT if you use dungeon finder, chances are the group you get won't be geared well enough for anything but the starter dungeon.  I mean it really takes just one weak player to take down a 4 or 8 man pug.

 

Lots of players blow their LB at the wrong time, or get aoe'd and it wipes the group, and people rage quit.  So as of right now a lot of players aren't geared or learned enough to beat anything but the starter dungeon.

 

So, unless you have a circle of 4-8 friends or a guild that is 50, you will be grinding the starter dungeon over and over for like 120+ plus times to get the tokens you need. 

 

Good luck!

 

EDIT: yes ifrit and garuda can be beat with a PUG but if you are trying to farm tokens with PUGS, those harder dungeons are a bad idea right now, and for efficiencies sake you will get too many wipes, and fail and possibly not get any tokens, vs just grinding the starter dungeon.

I see your point but I think it's past time we had a new video game where you can't beat all the dungeons in the game with any random group of 4 people.  I would agree that there should be more than one easy dungeon and that's a content depth issue but at the high end there should be places that PUG's don't do well and I'm happy to see that.

  Ralstlin

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9/10/13 9:09:04 AM#53
wait... WHAT???? gear grind in a MMORPG? no wayyyyyyyyyyyyyy 
  LacedOpium

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9/10/13 10:05:07 AM#54
Originally posted by azonic69
Originally posted by LacedOpium

 

What I really find amazing is the patience of so many posters in their attempts to try to explain to these content locusts, who haven't the slightest concept of what an MMORPG is supposed to deliver, or how one is to be played, the finer points of how to successfully play, and enjoy, an MMORPG.  All these content locusts do is rush to end game and then once there, they do nothing but complain.  Their complaints are varied but their more popular complaints range from "I'm max level, so what do I do now?" to " I'm bored there is nothing to do," and of course the one involved in this thread, "Yes there is something to do but it's too hard or its grindy."  It's always some wishy-washy complaint that has nothing to do with the game and everything to do with the fact that they haven't the slightest idea of what playing in an MMORPG entails.  You simply can not satisfy these people.  Quit trying to convince them to stay.  Let them go.  I guarantee you the community will be better off for it. 

 

Here's a clue for the clueless:  An MMORPG is about community.  It is about making friends and forming bonds.  For the most, you will make friends and form bonds in your journey to end game.  Once there, this so called gear grind is simply the mechanism that will encourage  and enable you to team and enjoy those friendships and strong bonds.  It is not about you, and what you want, or how fast you can get it.  It is all a social exercise.  That is the joy of MMORPGs. 

What I really find amazing is how people like you are trying to tell others how they are playing a game the wrong way. There is no wrong way to play an MMO if the guy enjoys rushing to cap well there's nothing you can say about it, he enjoys that play style and you don't.... end of story.

I personally think that the part where you go on about community, making friends and forming bonds is B.S. Am I telling you that you have no idea how to play the game ? No, that's how you enjoy the game and that's fine with me. 

 

He's obviously not enjoying it, since he's complaining about it.  Little do you know that in coming to his defense, you are actually doing him an injustice because listening to you, he will never get it.  But perhaps you fall in the same category.  Perhaps you both need help.  There is nothing wrong with needing help by the way.  Everyone needs help at one time or another.  This is your time.

 

Regarding your dismissal of the community aspect of my post, well this IS an MMORPG.  That MMO you see there?  It stands for "Massive-Multiplayer-Online."  In other words, it means that the objective of the game is to share the game experience with others.  It is not a single player game.  If you are the anti-socail type who likes to play solo and can't, or do not want to, get along with others, well, that's what single player games are for.  Now, this is not to say that you can't play an MMO any way you like, because you certainly can as long as you fork over the money.  But don't come to forums complaining about the experience when you are not having fun, because there certainly is a wrong way to play in an MMORPG, and rushing to end game, only to then start complaining about a supposed dungeon token grind, is fail rule number one about how an MMORPG should be played.  I don't expect you to get that though.  I am fully congnizant of the fact that my pointing this out to you may be an effort in futility, but if even one person reads this, and as a result, they become enlightened,  then I would have considered my effort well worth it. 

 

Prettying-up wrong by dressing it up as opinion does not negate the fact that it is still wrong.

  Hitman211

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Joined: 9/09/13
Posts: 53

9/10/13 10:15:55 AM#55
Originally posted by LacedOpium
Originally posted by azonic69
Originally posted by LacedOpium

 

What I really find amazing is the patience of so many posters in their attempts to try to explain to these content locusts, who haven't the slightest concept of what an MMORPG is supposed to deliver, or how one is to be played, the finer points of how to successfully play, and enjoy, an MMORPG.  All these content locusts do is rush to end game and then once there, they do nothing but complain.  Their complaints are varied but their more popular complaints range from "I'm max level, so what do I do now?" to " I'm bored there is nothing to do," and of course the one involved in this thread, "Yes there is something to do but it's too hard or its grindy."  It's always some wishy-washy complaint that has nothing to do with the game and everything to do with the fact that they haven't the slightest idea of what playing in an MMORPG entails.  You simply can not satisfy these people.  Quit trying to convince them to stay.  Let them go.  I guarantee you the community will be better off for it. 

 

Here's a clue for the clueless:  An MMORPG is about community.  It is about making friends and forming bonds.  For the most, you will make friends and form bonds in your journey to end game.  Once there, this so called gear grind is simply the mechanism that will encourage  and enable you to team and enjoy those friendships and strong bonds.  It is not about you, and what you want, or how fast you can get it.  It is all a social exercise.  That is the joy of MMORPGs. 

What I really find amazing is how people like you are trying to tell others how they are playing a game the wrong way. There is no wrong way to play an MMO if the guy enjoys rushing to cap well there's nothing you can say about it, he enjoys that play style and you don't.... end of story.

I personally think that the part where you go on about community, making friends and forming bonds is B.S. Am I telling you that you have no idea how to play the game ? No, that's how you enjoy the game and that's fine with me. 

 

He's obviously not enjoying it, since he's complaining about it.  Little do you know that in coming to his defense, you are actually doing him an injustice because listening to you, he will never get it.  But perhaps you fall in the same category.  Perhaps you both need help.  There is nothing wrong with needing help by the way.  Everyone needs help at one time or another.  This is your time.

 

Regarding your dismissal of the community aspect of my post, well this IS an MMORPG.  That MMO you see there?  It stands for "Massive-Multiplayer-Online."  In other words, it means that the objective of the game is to share the game experience with others.  It is not a single player game.  If you are the anti-socail type who likes to play solo and can't, or do not want to, get along with others, well, that's what single player games are for.  Now, that is not to say that you can't play an MMO, because you certainly can as long as you fork over the money.  But don't come to forums complaining about the experience, when you are not having fun, because there certainly is a wrong way to play in an MMORPG, and rushing to end game is fail rule number one about how an MMORPG should be played.  I don't expect you to get that though.  I am fully congnizant of the fact that my pointing this out to you may be an effort in futility, but if even one person reads this, and as a result, they become enlightened,  then I would have considered my effort well worth it. 

 

I just wanted to point out here that this game is a themepark.

The developers made a conscious decision to create content that is meant to be played in a certain way.  Choosing the developers planned route to endgame will be the most enjoyable.

That's just the nature of the game.  Yeah you can harp on the fact that some will disregard the main storyline and fate farm the entire game...if they LIKE it then that's fine...its certainly not optimal and misses a lot of effort to make the game enjoyable by the developers.

Thing is, when someone is doing something in a themepark, and hating it...and it also happens to be in a manner in which the game wasn't designed to be played...well heaven forbid people inform the guy he is doing it wrong...because he is.

 

Your argument makes sense in a sandbox, where there is no developer designed path so to speak...doesn't hold true in just about every themepark....well a few have abandoned their main storyline and offered a fast path...this isn't one of those games however.

I really dislike the argument that its a mmo so everyone should be able to do anything they want and enjoy it...few games are designed as such...and when you are racing to endgame and then complaining about the games content and its endgame (especially not being able to finish endgame in its entirety without playing it ) then you are failing at the game basically.

  GeezerGamer

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Joined: 4/03/12
Posts: 4782

9/10/13 11:20:57 AM#56
Originally posted by time007
Originally posted by Utinni
The endgame of all MMO's is a gear grind. Even in open pvp games you are typically fighting over a resource that pertains to gear. 

WRONG.  What about DAOC?  all means every game.  I just named one that isn't a gear grind.  What about Darkfall?  Well anyways the list goes on to prove that not all MMO's endgame is a gear grind.

 

somebody grew up playing WoW

DAOC? Darkfall?

LOL

It's the sad state of the genre. The next big title has as many threads discussing issues with it's business model than issues with the game itself.

  aionix

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Joined: 12/14/07
Posts: 296

9/10/13 11:26:06 AM#57
Originally posted by LacedOpium

 

What I really find amazing is the patience of so many posters in their attempts to try to explain to these content locusts, who haven't the slightest concept of what an MMORPG is supposed to deliver, or how one is to be played, the finer points of how to successfully play, and enjoy, an MMORPG.  All these content locusts do is rush to end game and then once there, they do nothing but complain.  Their complaints are varied but their more popular complaints range from "I'm max level, so what do I do now?" to " I'm bored there is nothing to do," and of course the one involved in this thread, "Yes there is something to do but it's too hard or its grindy."  It's always some wishy-washy complaint that has nothing to do with the game and everything to do with the fact that they haven't the slightest idea of what playing in an MMORPG entails.  You simply can not satisfy these people.  Quit trying to convince them to stay.  Let them go.  I guarantee you the community will be better off for it. 

 

Here's a clue for the clueless:  An MMORPG is about community.  It is about making friends and forming bonds.  For the most, you will make friends and form bonds in your journey to end game.  Once there, this so called gear grind is simply the mechanism that will encourage  and enable you to team and enjoy those friendships and strong bonds.  It is not about you, and what you want, or how fast you can get it.  It is all a social exercise.  That is the joy of MMORPGs. 

Extremely well said.  To my fellow MMO players, enjoy the game and your friends.  Let these solo content devourers bitch and move along. 

  Nihilist

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Joined: 3/08/04
Posts: 576

9/10/13 12:12:39 PM#58

Devs have finite time and budgets - content has to eventually end or become repeatable.

At least in this game grinding tokens is a gateway to harder content like HM Titan / Coil.

 

  LizardEgypt

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Joined: 2/25/09
Posts: 359

Hmm ?

9/10/13 12:19:25 PM#59
Originally posted by Bigdaddyx
Originally posted by LizardEgypt

 

You're missing a lot of the point I think. I've had a great deal of enjoyment playing the game and leveling and as much as I dislike token farming end-games, the point of this game is to do dungeons and group with people. If you dislike that, or think it is archaic, or weak, either design your own MMO or stop playing them entirely. It's possible you are playing the wrong genre, there a a massive amount of non-grindy games that don't subject you to grouping end-game farming that you don't seem to want to be a part of.

I knew sooner or later someone will come up with 'make your own MMO or stop them playing entirely' as if all MMOS are still following this old WOW gear treadmill formula. And what is even more ironic is that you are telling me that i am a missing a lot of points. And yes i have stopped playing FFXIV couple of days ago once i realised what i am faced with at 50 since i have no interest in crafting or gathering classes. I was really hoping there will be some variety at end game. But i won't deny that leveling experince was really best part of it all.

Yes MMOs have end game grinding for gear and stats but a lot of these same MMOS do not have 'just' gear grinding for end game.

A good MMO is one which gives players choices and not force them just to raid or quit. In my case i had no choice but to 'quit'. Deja Vu from Rift (even though Rift later on realised this and branched out itself in lot of various end game activities) and SWTOR? i certainly had one. Good luck to SE in keeping 300,000 concurrent players after free month is over.

The joke is still on you. I'm not happy with themepark treadmill games either, but when I sit down to play one I don't lie to myself about what my expectations are. There is literally not one other possible thing this game could have been at 50, you know what it's going to be within the first 5 levels. The state of the genre is not an excuse for your unsatisfaction or whining... especially in the first 3 weeks of this game.

Currently playing - FF14ARR
Previous games - SWG, World of Warcraft, ShadowBane, Warhammer, Age of Conan, Darkfall, Planetside Asheron's Call, Everquest, Everquest 2, Too many.

  Makidian

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Joined: 1/28/13
Posts: 204

9/10/13 12:32:17 PM#60
Let me correct myself, it's boring to me. Once you ride a themepark you get burnt out of it I guess. The game is good, don't get me wrong, I just can't do the rides again. 5 years ago prolly but not anymore : ( The funny thing is after I stopped playing FF, I started Darkfall UW, guess I needed a sandbox. Good luck to all FF players.
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