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  akkedis86

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9/08/13 12:11:50 PM#21

No real constructive info on here, just some arguing.

 

SWTOR is in a league of its own, only things that gets close might be swtor.

I personally associate Fantasy with elves, skeletons, Dwarves, spiders and wolves.

To clarify what is Sci-Fi, and what not, please see: http://www.mmobomb.com/games/sci-fi

I would suggest maybe trying EVE, Star Trek online, "cough" Scarlet blade.

 

If you are willing to give a mmofps a try, try Firefall or Planetside 2.

 

 

  Scorchien

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9/08/13 12:17:26 PM#22
Anarchy Online ..
  superniceguy

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NGE, LOTRO, STO, KOTOR, Lego Star Wars > NGE 2 (SWTOR). SWG>ALL. Above hopefully subject to change.

9/08/13 1:04:27 PM#23

Star Trek Online

Defiance

  JRRNeiklot

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9/08/13 2:23:05 PM#24
Originally posted by Maurgrim
Originally posted by JRRNeiklot

And?  None of the above makes SW scifi.  Are you seriously sugesting the Jestsons is scifi?  There's a lot of fiction in those terms, but no science whatsoever.  Change the names and all of the above could fit easily into any fantasy setting. 

Flying cars are in Harry Potter, and Chitty Chitty Bang Bang for that matter.  Is Harry Potter scifi?  A lightsabre is merely a sword of sharpness or a vorpal sword.  Laser Guns are no different than a wand of lightning.  aliens are orcs, robots are golems, etc.  Space travel happens in Conan the Barbarian, and many other fantasy stories.  Renaming fantasy tropes does not suddenly make something scifi.

 

 

Ok then, scifi genre are in reality all fantasy, you better call all the libraries so they can relable their scifi section to fantasy in space.

Lol.  You have that backwards.  You'd need to do the calling, as Star Wars has been labeled fantasy since its conception.

  JRRNeiklot

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9/08/13 2:25:52 PM#25
Originally posted by tort0429
Originally posted by JRRNeiklot

And?  None of the above makes SW scifi.  Are you seriously sugesting the Jestsons is scifi?  There's a lot of fiction in those terms, but no science whatsoever.  Change the names and all of the above could fit easily into any fantasy setting. 

Flying cars are in Harry Potter, and Chitty Chitty Bang Bang for that matter.  Is Harry Potter scifi?  A lightsabre is merely a sword of sharpness or a vorpal sword.  Laser Guns are no different than a wand of lightning.  aliens are orcs, robots are golems, etc.  Space travel happens in Conan the Barbarian, and many other fantasy stories.  Renaming fantasy tropes does not suddenly make something scifi.

 

The answer is simply both:

The fact that you have ships flying in hyper-space is definately sci fi.

The force, fantasy.

It's somewhere in the middle......SCI-Fantasy.

http://scifi.about.com/od/starwarsglossaryandfaq/a/Star-Wars-Faq-Is-Star-Wars-Sci-Fi-Or-Fantasy.htm

 

Flying and hyperspace in of itself does not make something scifi.  D&D has had it's own version of hyper dimensional travel since 1972, and the fiction it's based off for hundreds of years prior.  Aladdin had a flying rug, is that scifi?  It's not the various tropes that differentiate scifi from fantasy, it's the presentation.  Arthur C. Clark is science fiction.  George Lucas is not.

  zevni78

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9/08/13 2:40:29 PM#26

OK, just to clear this up, the genre for Star Wars is sci-fantasy for this reason, is has sci fi tech but fantasy tropes, (character archetypes and rolls, mystical lore, and romanticized history). For example Star Wars spaceships just work and their underline physics is never touched upon, whereas Star Trek’s Warp Drive has everything from blueprints, to serious science papers on it and entire episodes built around the applications.

To address the OP’s question ,I have been playing Star Trek Online as of late, and have found it to be very addictive, due to a layered progression and good Varity of content. It doesn’t require as much heavy investment as EVE does.

  Karteli

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9/08/13 3:37:03 PM#27

It's Sci-Fantasy, a hybrid.

 

The SW universe has elements of Sci-Fi .. but also elements of Fantasy.

 

Traveling through the universe in mechanical ships, using technology based weapons, and the reliance on technology for military defense make SW Sci-Fi ...

 

But the Force uses other schemes like tele-kinesis, mind control, fortune telling, and various other psionic abilities to make for fantasy elements which have no real technological explanation (other than miticlorians, a freak of nature, such as in X-Men mutations).

 

Sci-Fantasy.  Not that it makes much difference, as it is still a great environment to experience, movies, games, or imagination.

 

Want a nice understanding of life? Try Spirit Science: "The Human History"
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U8NNHmV3QPw&feature=plcp
Recognize the voice? Yep sounds like Penny Arcade's Extra Credits.

  echolynfan

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9/08/13 3:43:02 PM#28

Star Wars is "technically" fantasy:

Science fiction is largely based on writing rationally about alternative possible worlds or futures.[2] It is similar to, but differs from fantasy in that, within the context of thestory, its imaginary elements are largely possible within scientifically established or scientifically postulated laws of nature (though some elements in a story might still be pure imaginative speculation).

 

 

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  Velocinox

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9/08/13 3:51:29 PM#29

To make this reply stay on topic, i think the Anarchy Online is an excellent sci-fi game. (as far as sci-fi can exist in MMO form) If you can look past its age you'll have a good time. It's complicated but rewarding.

For eye-candy SWeaTOR is hard to beat.

For space pew pew EVE and ST:O right now are the powerhouses. ST:O adds planetary adventures and quests, while EVE has ELITE/Freespace/X type trading and superior PVP.

 

But then none of those are truly science fiction in my opinion...

 

I've always used this as a separator (it's not perfect, but then what is)

 

Science Fiction is modern philosophy hidden behind fictional characters, settings, and settings.

Where philosophy is defined as, "the study of general and fundamental problems, such as those connected with reality, existence, knowledge, values, reason, mind, and language."

To further elaborate, Science Fiction allows us to examine ourselves and our problems, desires, and fears through a filter of fiction that separates us from immediate emotional investment long enough to listen to the lesson. That filter usually takes the shape of a future existence.

 

Fantasy on the other hand is pure escapism. It's for enjoyment and little else. If there are examinations of self, or lessons to be learned they are usually elementary in nature and don't aspire to be profound.

 

 

That being said, there is plenty of overlap. Just because the story has swords and spells doesn't mean it can't teach you something profound, and just because it has spaceships doesn't mean it's not going to be pew pew eye/mind candy. But for the most part these differences hold true. As I have said it's not perfect, but more often than not when i have finished a Science Fiction/Fantasy book when i sat back and had a lot to think about it was a science fiction novel, when I sat back and thought wow, that was a fun read, it was a fantasy novel.

 

 

 

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  Vezlin

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9/08/13 3:52:00 PM#30

Guys, woah, derail. Not that the debate of whether or not star-wars is sci-fi or fantasy or not isn't interesting, but the poor OP just wanted games that could, even if just technically, be described as having a sci-fi setting. That said:

Anarchy Online--I remember this being faction conflict based, but can't say much more.

Face of Mankind--100% RP without having to roleplay, you join factions that take on various roles throughout a sci-fi society; armies, police, workers, criminals, doctors, so on and so forth. It made for interesting objectives that changed based on your faction, and promotion rather than levelling up as a means of advancement.

Eve of Online--Haven't played it much, but there's definitely a lot to find on it.

Global Agenda--Third person shooter with jetpacks, open world and instance elements, guild/clan PvP functions, and more usual PvP functions.

Firefall--It's in open beta. Stuff is being sold, sure, but last I played, it's very much a beta. That said, interesting concept, and worth doofing around in to kill some time. NPC guided enemy forces try to take over territory. Using TPS gameplay and jetpacks (soundfamiliar?), you can fight them back and hunt for resources to open up new areas and crafting new equipment.

Star Trek Online--Is, like, TOR's polar opposite? Evil twin? It went a totally different direction. You're not a one-dude, you're a ship captain with a team of bridge officers, fully customizable and usable in gameplay. Instead of only having access to main storyline, there a bunch of random areas with random quests, plus player made quests and plotlines available. Combat's semi-actiony, tepending on weapon loadout and targetting scheme, though you can easily play it more 'traditionally MMO-like,' as well.

  Karteli

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9/08/13 3:54:14 PM#31
Originally posted by echolynfan

Star Wars is "technically" fantasy:

Science fiction is largely based on writing rationally about alternative possible worlds or futures.[2] It is similar to, but differs from fantasy in that, within the context of thestory, its imaginary elements are largely possible within scientifically established or scientifically postulated laws of nature (though some elements in a story might still be pure imaginative speculation).

If you are going to use someone elses text-book definitions, then you might want to stick your neck out and call Star Trek fantasy too .. because many of the episodes dealt with the unknown, with other races (or oddities of "nature") not behaving under the known laws of science.

 

The Enterprise was always under in danger because of the unexpected :P  Kirk or Picard never had full control of their ships defenses, even for a whole season.  Think about that for a moment ...

 

edit:

Global Agenda--Third person shooter with jetpacks, open world and instance elements, guild/clan PvP functions, and more usual PvP functions. (posted above).

 

I liked that game, but haven't played it since I upgraded my machine .. Is it still up?  Fun to play still?

 

 

Want a nice understanding of life? Try Spirit Science: "The Human History"
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U8NNHmV3QPw&feature=plcp
Recognize the voice? Yep sounds like Penny Arcade's Extra Credits.

  ElRenmazuo

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9/08/13 3:58:18 PM#32

By some of your definitions star trek is a fantasy since it has fantasy tropes to it too

Example like each of the main races

Klingons = Orcs

Romulans = Dark Elves

Vulcans = High Elves

Ferrengi = Goblins

Borg = Undead

But to the subject try Fallen Earth

  pmreeb23

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9/08/13 4:02:43 PM#33
Star Wars is a Space Opera!

  ElRenmazuo

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9/08/13 4:04:27 PM#34
Originally posted by pmreeb23
Star Wars is a Space Opera!

which is a sub-genre of sci-fi http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Space_opera

  Drakephire

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9/08/13 4:13:08 PM#35
Well there you have it OP...we've all been skooled by an overly-pedantic poster and must come to the conclusion that there are no Sci-Fi MMOs out there at all. We must all wait for the Flowers For Algernon MMO.
  Karteli

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9/08/13 4:26:15 PM#36
Originally posted by Drakephire
Well there you have it OP...we've all been skooled by an overly-pedantic poster and must come to the conclusion that there are no Sci-Fi MMOs out there at all. We must all wait for the Flowers For Algernon MMO.

 

Sadly, it's like when Tickle-Me-Emo said that there was no God :(

 

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W7IxliAPjAk

 

There is no Sci-Fi ... There is no .. sci ... fi ...

 

[according to various posters of course!, God or Sci-fi may actually exist, the poster claims no responsibility for no God or no Sci-Fi, restrictions apply].

Want a nice understanding of life? Try Spirit Science: "The Human History"
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U8NNHmV3QPw&feature=plcp
Recognize the voice? Yep sounds like Penny Arcade's Extra Credits.

  Arglebargle

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9/08/13 4:37:51 PM#37
Originally posted by tkreep

By some of your definitions star trek is a fantasy since it has fantasy tropes to it too

Example like each of the main races

Klingons = Orcs

Romulans = Dark Elves

Vulcans = High Elves

Ferrengi = Goblins

Borg = Undead

But to the subject try Fallen Earth

Uhhh, Star Trek was conceived far before D&D raised its head, and I really don't think Roddenberry was referencing Tolkien.

 

Star Wars is space opera.   It's a subgenre that plays fast and loose with basic laws of nature.  All the space fighters behave as if they were WWI biplanes (this was actually intentional, iirc), not like spacecraft operating in a vacuum.   Lucas was always about the visuals, and that's the conception that he had.  

 

Fallen Earth is a good reccomendation though, if you like that post apocalyptic tinge.   Not a lot of MMO choices, though if you go into shooters there's a lot more.

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  Velocinox

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9/08/13 5:11:32 PM#38
Originally posted by Arglebargle

Uhhh, Star Trek was conceived far before D&D raised its head, and I really don't think Roddenberry was referencing Tolkien.

 

Yea, he was referencing westerns... Wagon Train specifically

'Sandbox MMO' is a PTSD trigger word for anyone who has the experience to know that anonymous players invariably use a 'sandbox' in the same manner a housecat does.


No game is more fun than the one you can't play, and no game is more boring than the one you've become familiar with.


How to become a millionaire:
Start with a billion dollars and make an MMO.

  DocBrody

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9/08/13 5:39:00 PM#39
Star Citizen will be the only good Star Wars MMO, and it's not made by EA
  tort0429

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9/08/13 7:40:02 PM#40
Originally posted by Velocinox

To make this reply stay on topic, i think the Anarchy Online is an excellent sci-fi game. (as far as sci-fi can exist in MMO form) If you can look past its age you'll have a good time. It's complicated but rewarding.

For eye-candy SWeaTOR is hard to beat.

For space pew pew EVE and ST:O right now are the powerhouses. ST:O adds planetary adventures and quests, while EVE has ELITE/Freespace/X type trading and superior PVP.

 

But then none of those are truly science fiction in my opinion...

 

I've always used this as a separator (it's not perfect, but then what is)

 

Science Fiction is modern philosophy hidden behind fictional characters, settings, and settings.

Where philosophy is defined as, "the study of general and fundamental problems, such as those connected with reality, existence, knowledge, values, reason, mind, and language."

To further elaborate, Science Fiction allows us to examine ourselves and our problems, desires, and fears through a filter of fiction that separates us from immediate emotional investment long enough to listen to the lesson. That filter usually takes the shape of a future existence.

 

Fantasy on the other hand is pure escapism. It's for enjoyment and little else. If there are examinations of self, or lessons to be learned they are usually elementary in nature and don't aspire to be profound.

 

 

That being said, there is plenty of overlap. Just because the story has swords and spells doesn't mean it can't teach you something profound, and just because it has spaceships doesn't mean it's not going to be pew pew eye/mind candy. But for the most part these differences hold true. As I have said it's not perfect, but more often than not when i have finished a Science Fiction/Fantasy book when i sat back and had a lot to think about it was a science fiction novel, when I sat back and thought wow, that was a fun read, it was a fantasy novel.

 

 

 

Nicely written.  Thanks.

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