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General Discussion  » ESOs art style is very popular, EQNs not so much.

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  Enrif

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9/08/13 4:00:42 PM#41

This clip explains why stylization is most of the time better then realistic. Until realistic can jump the gap for a reasonable price and with as many PC setups as possible working with it, you will after a year look at a realistic game and say"that looks so shity". Just go back to EQ1 /2 or older Elder Scrolls games. They look horrible unrealistic even they strife'd for a realistic style as much as they could back in their time. Maybe in another 10 or 20 years the realistic style is evolved enough to replace stylization in cost-efficiency, hardware requirement and still looking good over the years.

  Xthos

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9/08/13 4:25:01 PM#42

Well, you could also say (as of my looking) 73% like ESO or want it more gritty, and 63% like EQN or are not bothered by it.

 

Polls don't really mean much, and you can ask things in a way to get what you want or group results and present it in a way that makes you look right. My grouping showed a big 10% difference.

 

I am not so worried about the graphics, as I can play UO on the 2d client and not be upset, but I would like a little more work done on the character models, which I imagine would be getting done anyway (as early in the process as it seems).

 

 

 

 

  lizardbones

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9/08/13 4:34:34 PM#43


Originally posted by Sengi

Originally posted by jesteralways OP is trying to say that old thing again in a better way : "cartoony graphics sux".
Hey, the moderator doesn’t want use curse words around here. :D I would have said: “Cartoony graphics don’t work for EQN.”, because I like the cartoony art style in Farmville. But besides that you have summarized my opinion about the art style quite well. And I’m by far not the only one who thinks that way. You can’t deny that together others I have already underpinned this standpoint quite well.



It's nearly impossible to misrepresent your own opinion. On the other hand, it's entirely possible to misconstrue your own opinion and something shared by the majority of people who might also have an opinion on the subject at hand.

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  caremuchless

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9/08/13 4:43:10 PM#44

Couldn't care less about this whole post.

 

Anyone who has been around for a while see's the same posts repeatedly.

There are advantages and disadvantages to both realistic and cartoony comic styles. The end.

 

 

  Lidane

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9/08/13 5:22:53 PM#45
Originally posted by Shoju

Do you really think that SOE are going to scrap all of the work that they have done developing art assets for the game just to please (what is more than likely) a vocal minority who are butthurt over the art style?  I don't think so.  

I'm not sure what all these endless threads online about the art style are supposed to accomplish. Vocal posters on a message board don't tend to represent the larger audience for a game. And SOE aren't going to ditch all the work they've been doing because a few people are upset about the art.

  Allein

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9/08/13 7:31:33 PM#46
Originally posted by Sengi

I thought this can be tested. So I made a poll on ESO forum so see what the people over there think about ESOs art style: (link)

Nobody wants to talk down EQN. I am the first to defend its awesome features, the Voxelfarm engine, StoryBricks and above all the attempt to revive the sandbox mmo and bring it to the mainstream, but as a loyal fan you have so spell things out that you believe to be wrong about the game you like.

Sorry to break it to you, EQ was/is not popular when compared to franchises like ES and FF. They have a much larger and more dedicated fan base then EQ could ever dream of.

Over 10 million people purchased Skyrim. They are making Skyrim Online. No duh, it is going to be popular and well received. They've just given 10+ million people a way to play a game they loved alone, now with friends and tossed in PVP for giggles.

Your poll was in no way balanced or "fair". Basically asked if ESO fans like ESO (Skyrim) or if they would rather make it look like a completely different game for no apparent reason. Really?

It's like me going to a Mario forum and asking if they would prefer it to look like Halo. It makes no sense and leads to an obvious conclusion. Even though Mario has been around much longer and is more cartoony compared to Halo's more realistic style. Both are popular for completely different reasons and don't have to copy each other to do well.

EQN is an entirely new game not copying EQ's gameplay or graphics. EQ2 didn't copy EQ's graphics nor any of the other games in the IP. They are all different versions of the same IP with completely different styles. The only EQ game I like is EQ for this reason. It was a unique experience. While I see the visual connection between EQ, EQ2, and EQN, that doesn't mean I think they all look the same. They are all unique and appeal to different people (hence why they will have 4 different mmos active when LM and EQN come out).

Personally, I'm not a fan of the ES franchise and think ESO looks horribly bland and unexciting. Millions disagree with me, but millions more agree (those that don't play ES games).

There is nothing wrong with how EQN looks. It just doesn't appeal to you. I don't like EQ2's graphics, doesn't mean there is something wrong with it or that it needs to be altered. I don't like it, I don't play. Some times the simple solution is the best one.

Not sure why you continue to go on and on about the graphics, but they aren't changing at least not to look like ESO, Black Desert or whatever other "realistic" game (they all look pretty unrealistic to me being that they are video games) that you seem to want.

If you can't see past the graphics, I'm sorry, but maybe EQN isn't for you. Those of us that do like them are in for a treat. EQN's graphics will draw the largest crowd and that is the point of an mmorpg and a company creating one. Those that prefer EQ, EQ2, ESO, WoW, Wildstar, Black Desert, etc are free to play them at their leisure.

You can't make EQN into something that it isn't. While I mean it in the best way possible....Get over it. No amount of polls on this forum (all 144 current votes...) matter.

  khellus

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9/08/13 8:04:40 PM#47

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  khellus

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9/08/13 8:07:13 PM#48
So you yourself don't believe your own polling but use it to validate your own opinion. I am suppose to look at it and agree with your opinion? From what I can tell and your own words, it seems like in general most people are fine with the art style with the exception of the Cheetos Cheetah Kerran.

What options do you think they gave up to allow for player generated content? When a game is developed there are things that can be done but only at the cost of other things. Do you really think that games like crisis and skyrim were whipped up on someones desktop?

I don't care about if a puddle ripples because my characters pant leg touched it, I want smarter environments and smarter NPC.

 99 people even bothered to poll for ESO 955 for EQN neither of which is a good measure for what the consumer base wants. First you would need to know how many people planned to play them and with that determine how many you need to present the poll to in order to get an accurate poll

  Ujirik

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9/08/13 8:09:26 PM#49
Your poll failed when you put like and grittier as a single choice.  Most complaints about ESO are that the art style is too cartoony compared to proper Elder Scrolls games.  I can only see the split results of 40%/40% like/gritty on EQN being the result of you splitting them for that poll and listing them as a single option for the ESO poll.  

  Gardavsshade

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9/08/13 8:15:37 PM#50
Originally posted by Markusrind

ESO - Crap game design, boring old gameplay, great graphics.

EQN - Great game design, new and exciting gameplay, cartoony graphics.

 

I will be playing EQN.

As a Customer of MMOs I ask... no... I demand ...

Great Game Design, New and Exciting Gameplay, and Great Realistic/Gritty Graphics from a New MMO.

I will be playing Neither.


Nothing to see here... just another MMO Ghost....

  xAPOCx

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9/08/13 8:18:33 PM#51
Originally posted by Kyllien
Oh who cares?  ESO is ESO, EQN is EQN.  If they were the same we would only need one game.  Let each attempt to draw their own crowds and everyone wins.  And since EQN will be F2P I am betting that it will have many, many more players regardless of art style. 

i love seeing shit like this. Of course its goin to have allot of players.... at first. Because its F2P allot of people that wouldn't have even played it if it had a sub attached will try it. But how long they play it will be a different story.

 

I myself wont even make the account to DL the game. They will not take my account and add it to the others so they can tell their board of trusties that the game is doing well because of all the accounts that were made. Wont be a statistic for their justification in why they made EQN the way they did.

 

 

 

  Distopia

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9/08/13 8:42:35 PM#52
Originally posted by Nadia
Originally posted by jesteralways

SOE have been working on EQN for couple of years now, Smed himself said it. Zenimax started on ESO only after the release of skyrim. but that is not the point here, the poll is not even the point here, OP is trying to say that old thing again in a better way : "cartoony graphics sux".

I agree w you on Ops agenda

but even taking the Op at face value...theres tons of game footage for ESO

thats not true for EQN

 

when ESO was first showing its screenshots -- it was not met w player approval on these forums

Truth^  very little about ESo has been met with approval on these forums.

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  Distopia

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9/08/13 8:46:05 PM#53
Originally posted by xAPOCx
Originally posted by Kyllien
Oh who cares?  ESO is ESO, EQN is EQN.  If they were the same we would only need one game.  Let each attempt to draw their own crowds and everyone wins.  And since EQN will be F2P I am betting that it will have many, many more players regardless of art style. 

i love seeing shit like this. Of course its goin to have allot of players.... at first. Because its F2P allot of people that wouldn't have even played it if it had a sub attached will try it. But how long they play it will be a different story.

 

I myself wont even make the account to DL the game. They will not take my account and add it to the others so they can tell their board of trusties that the game is doing well because of all the accounts that were made. Wont be a statistic for their justification in why they made EQN the way they did.

 

 

 

Yet I'm sure you'll still be be here weighing in on the quality of the game regardless...

For every minute you are angry , you lose 60 seconds of happiness."-Emerson

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  Allein

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9/08/13 9:17:18 PM#54
Originally posted by xAPOCx
Originally posted by Kyllien
Oh who cares?  ESO is ESO, EQN is EQN.  If they were the same we would only need one game.  Let each attempt to draw their own crowds and everyone wins.  And since EQN will be F2P I am betting that it will have many, many more players regardless of art style. 

i love seeing shit like this. Of course its goin to have allot of players.... at first. Because its F2P allot of people that wouldn't have even played it if it had a sub attached will try it. But how long they play it will be a different story.

I myself wont even make the account to DL the game. They will not take my account and add it to the others so they can tell their board of trusties that the game is doing well because of all the accounts that were made. Wont be a statistic for their justification in why they made EQN the way they did.

So glad that I haven't become so disgruntled that I no longer find enjoyment in gaming, nor spend time criticizing something I have no intent on playing. Makes me glad there are still interesting games on the horizon (EQN) that keep me going. Assuming you'll never be pleased with any game, you're loss I guess.

  baphamet

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9/08/13 11:28:21 PM#55


Originally posted by xAPOCx

Originally posted by Kyllien Oh who cares?  ESO is ESO, EQN is EQN.  If they were the same we would only need one game.  Let each attempt to draw their own crowds and everyone wins.  And since EQN will be F2P I am betting that it will have many, many more players regardless of art style. 
i love seeing shit like this. Of course its goin to have allot of players.... at first. Because its F2P allot of people that wouldn't have even played it if it had a sub attached will try it. But how long they play it will be a different story.

 

I myself wont even make the account to DL the game. They will not take my account and add it to the others so they can tell their board of trusties that the game is doing well because of all the accounts that were made. Wont be a statistic for their justification in why they made EQN the way they did.

 

 

 


i don't even think that is true, i think ESO will still have more players honestly. not because its a better game, but because ES is a much more popular IP and is guaranteed to be on both of the consoles.

not only that but ESO is actually catering to their fans and EQN is not. ESO has a look and feel similar to an ES game, EQN does not.

that is a huge factor many people here seem to not understand.

  Deivos

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9/09/13 12:34:55 AM#56

I'll just state this.

 

Seriousness, grit, darkness, drama, fantasy, realism, emotion, expression, etc.

 

All pretty subjective, and not at all exclusive to a specific art style. Look to execution.

 

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  Aelious

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9/09/13 2:39:51 AM#57
Originally posted by baphamet

 


Originally posted by xAPOCx

Originally posted by Kyllien Oh who cares?  ESO is ESO, EQN is EQN.  If they were the same we would only need one game.  Let each attempt to draw their own crowds and everyone wins.  And since EQN will be F2P I am betting that it will have many, many more players regardless of art style. 
i love seeing shit like this. Of course its goin to have allot of players.... at first. Because its F2P allot of people that wouldn't have even played it if it had a sub attached will try it. But how long they play it will be a different story.

 

 

I myself wont even make the account to DL the game. They will not take my account and add it to the others so they can tell their board of trusties that the game is doing well because of all the accounts that were made. Wont be a statistic for their justification in why they made EQN the way they did.

 

 

 


 

i don't even think that is true, i think ESO will still have more players honestly. not because its a better game, but because ES is a much more popular IP and is guaranteed to be on both of the consoles.

not only that but ESO is actually catering to their fans and EQN is not. ESO has a look and feel similar to an ES game, EQN does not.

that is a huge factor many people here seem to not understand.

 

Honestly the more I hear people complain that EQN isn't in the spirit, likeness, vein, etc. as EQ the cheaper they make EQ sound.  EQ was about it's graphics and tab targeting, right? Any meaningful comparisons between the two could not possibly be known yet.  Molding an MMO to the "look and feel" of it's previous iterations does not mean it will be a good or successful MMO.

 

I wish ESO the best of luck when it launches and I'll probably play it myself.  It will be highly popular to begin with, as with most MMOs, but I guarantee you it's lasting success will not be based on it's similarly to the ES franchise.  The same will be said for EQN.  We all know by now that lasting success for an MMO has to do with how much content there is for players long term and how fun the content is.

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9/09/13 4:05:52 AM#58
The TESO poll question is so obviously biased it's not even funny.

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9/09/13 4:16:24 AM#59
Wonder who the target audience is? The opening credits state that the content is unsuitable for children - yet the disney graphics are surely aimed at children. Here in Europe, particularly the UK, Disney stuff is considered very much for children. Young teens and early twenties consider it 'uncool'  There are other descriptions. It is very rare for families to 'game' together. I feel sure that it will be popular in America, but a global audience is required for success these days. At the end of the day, no matter what the bitter and jaded (myself included) members of this forum say, no one will know until release just how good  their decision proves to be. I have played EQ one and two, but have no plans or interest in purchasing EQnext.
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OP  9/09/13 4:54:11 AM#60
Originally posted by Mr.Kujo

Just...wow. I could make my own survey, vote 1000 times in it and it would be just as useful as the one you made. A survey placed only on one forum, that has specific community, with specific mindset... a niche. And from that community, you have a vocal part, that represents the extremes (love or hate). And from that group you pick ones that come only to a specific part of forum. So to add to all this stupidity one needs to take into account, that we have a game that has an art style that follows its predecessor and one that broken from predecessor style and created something new. So in this case the most vocal part on one side are old players that are angry because of that change. That adds even more unfairness to the retardness that is there already. And to add even more nonsense, you compare those two values, already useless and claim that there is a connection, disregarding all other factors.

To inject a little bit of reason to this comedy. Is a 1000 sufficient sample for a group of potential mmorpg players, which are now in millions? No, the smallest surveys about mmorpgs on web counts anything form 40000+ sample and it is still not taken seriously by many. You need to publish your survey in a place, where only people with interest to the game come to visit, not where people come to critisize and badmouth a game. You don't care about people that were not going to buy the game in the first place and just come in to vote how bad it is, you want to check if people who are interested in game don't like the graphics. You can't survey a niche, your survey needs to be on the web, not on forum.. There you have it, surveying for dummies.

If you wanted to prove that angry self proclaimed critics that post on this specific forum don't like the game, well good job.

 

Please calm down. It seems I really hit a nerve here.

This is actually not my survey. Someone from the Reddit forum did it. He also posted it here and probably also on other sites too, so he did his best to reach as many different people as possible. He reaches all the people who ever visit a forum. They don’t even have to post there. What exactly do you mean by “on the web”? I don’t know how something can be more on the web then this.

These people are more diverse then you think. I admit that this is a quite crude method. It won’t produce exact results, but it certainly shows a trend.

 

This forum is actually not as bad as you think. As you see in the results, no one came here to talk down ESOs graphics. Everyone seems very much pleased with it. People don’t complain without a reason.

 

As I said it is very hard to reach people that won’t come to your survey on their own. You would need banner ads ore something like this to reach them. It is also hard to say beforehand who might be interested in buying a game, so you will always have problems finding the right sample group no matter what methods you use.

 

It is actually not that important to have a giant sample group to come to a significant result. You just have to ask enough people to make sure that no single opinion is overrepresented by chance. So if you just ask 10 people they can by chance all share the same opinion, but that cant happen with 1000 people. It is a fallacy to think that enlarging the sample group to 400000 would make the result that much better. Even if some people voted several times, they will probably have done that on every differed option.

 

I would not think that the artistic taste of people that go to a forum differs that much from any other group. I think you underestimate the casual crowd, they have a sense of style too. It is an insult to assume they will swallow everything what is served to them by the industry. I think even someone who only rarely plays video games notices it if an art style does not fit a certain type of game.

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