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General Discussion  » Is it just me or D3 is one of a kind?

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  Ligi

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OP  9/12/13 2:11:10 AM#41

I can relate with those that think D3 is repetitive, I thought the same some months ago. But then I decided to do diferent things from grindig on softcore endlessly:

Start a Hardcore character

Start a Self found HC character

Complete the achievements

Playing with friends and public games

Build some wealth on HC mode and level other secondary characters

Play short softcore sessions, just enough to get some legs

 

 

I really think D3 is not a game to play many hours straight, you will get tired, but it is certainly the best game for the money I found so far because I gave 60 euros last year , since then played countless hours and I am still having fun and I suspect my D3 addiction is getting worse when the expansion arrives :)

*edit *  Already have 3 dead characters in HC mode, my main is in the end of Act II inferno, I hope I can make it untill the end , almost died a couple of times on last sessions so I am going to take it easy, get some money and buy some upgrades before goingt to act III.

By the way, Grats for killing Diablo on HC inferno  !

  A.Blackloch

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9/12/13 2:46:11 AM#42
Ligi, If D3 was entertaining,  you should try out Path of Exile. For me D3 was too simple and somewhat boring, but PoE kept me going lot longer.

  kaiser3282

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9/12/13 2:50:58 AM#43

Yes I agree. It is one of a kind. A really special unique sort of turd.

Maybe some massive changes have been made to the overall design of the game, I don't know since I haven't bothered to pay attention to it in a long time. When it 1st came out though it was a huge letdown. It's kind of sad when playing Diablo 2, which is over a decade old, is more enjoyable and superior in nearly every way (except graphics obviously) than playing Diablo 3.

PoE is a much better option over D3 IMO.

  Markusrind

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9/12/13 4:58:59 AM#44
Originally posted by SnarlingWolf
I would argue that D3 is at least the third of its kind.

lol this was my first thought too...

 

  Ligi

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OP  9/12/13 9:06:59 AM#45

Mortemia, I did try Path of Exile for over a month, its a great game considering its Free to play, but ... its hard to explain, when my sword or axe hits the mobs in D3 , the feeling is much better then in PoE, also the skill system in PoE is unnecessarly complicated.

 

  User Deleted
9/12/13 10:59:38 AM#46
Originally posted by Ligi

...also the skill system in PoE is unnecessarly complicated.

Blizzard's MO is to popularize things and the way they do that is by simplifying them. The skill system in D3 does what is intended, to get people into the action as quickly as possible and to give the appearance of customization. If that works for you, then by all means have fun.

PoE's "Passive Skill Tree" though is quite brilliant and does add a lot of depth that D3's system lacks. I play minion-based classes in aRPGs after I fell in love with the Necromancer in D2, so from my perspective the skill system in D3 doesn't even come close to PoE's.

  Purutzil

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9/12/13 11:03:28 AM#47

No... its not. Its no where near one of a kind. It uses the dungeon crawler formula WITHOUT systems that make it really good. Its extremely polished, but it doesnt' do anything new at all. 

 

So no... it really isn't. I'd say its one of a kind being a dumbed down dungeon crawler... but at the same time there are pletny of games similiar to that already as it is. The polish itself on making things pretty isn't enough to hide its a dungeon crawler with repetative combat. The ability to customize and create character more diverse is waht attached me to games like Diablo 2, not the combat. How they did it, it causes the game to become boring quicker.

Sure, "Wow flashy animations" works for a few minutes, but I get over it quicker and drop the game much faste rthen games like Path of Exile or Torchlight 2 where I feel a much bigger investment in my characters I make.

 

In short: No, its far from being one of a kind.

  Aroukos

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9/12/13 11:10:53 AM#48
Originally posted by neonaka

I found D3 to be extremely shallow in the gameplay department.

You play 4 very short scenarios, then you play 4 very short scenarios slightly harder, then 4 very short scenarios slightly harder still, then 4 very short scenarios very hard. 

Guess what  though, all you did was play 4 very short scenarios.

You have all these skills at your disposal but guess what if you want to be good you have to stick to just a few tweaked out builds.

D3 for me was nothing new, yeah it looked good, yeah it plays well, but at the end of the day you can do everything this game has to offer in a week, and then you are just grinding out each day 4 very short scenarios to try to improve gear....

 

Boring....

 

Despite i m a big fan of Diablo series, i will have to agree about D3

  Teh_Axi

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9/12/13 11:31:04 AM#49
Originally posted by sportsfan

Mediocre ?

Yeah, MEDIOCRE.

Console version might have fixes the game needs, wouldn't know as I don't own it at the moment, doesn't change the fact D3 was completely average at its release and the PC version still is and will be for a good while yet.

Hardcore is practically pointless and just as mediocre too due to the lack of any random elements and the fact items are completely generic. This even more true now you can complete MP0 relatively easily.

  nariusseldon

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9/12/13 1:40:37 PM#50
Originally posted by TheMaahes
Originally posted by Ligi

...also the skill system in PoE is unnecessarly complicated.

Blizzard's MO is to popularize things and the way they do that is by simplifying them. The skill system in D3 does what is intended, to get people into the action as quickly as possible and to give the appearance of customization. If that works for you, then by all means have fun.

PoE's "Passive Skill Tree" though is quite brilliant and does add a lot of depth that D3's system lacks. I play minion-based classes in aRPGs after I fell in love with the Necromancer in D2, so from my perspective the skill system in D3 doesn't even come close to PoE's.

I would much rather choose actual skills that does different things than points. The d3 system support many builds and you can experiment fast.

The poe system is just too cumbersome. The passive skill tree adds complexi without addint to the fun for me. The skill gem, on the other hand, is a much better system.

  nariusseldon

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9/12/13 1:42:00 PM#51
Originally posted by Teh_Axi
Originally posted by sportsfan

Mediocre ?

Yeah, MEDIOCRE.

Console version might have fixes the game needs, wouldn't know as I don't own it at the moment, doesn't change the fact D3 was completely average at its release and the PC version still is and will be for a good while yet.

Hardcore is practically pointless and just as mediocre too due to the lack of any random elements and the fact items are completely generic. This even more true now you can complete MP0 relatively easily.

Certainly not mediocre in terms of review scores and sales. That is just your personal opinion. I would say my opinion is as valid as yours.

  Teh_Axi

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9/12/13 4:30:30 PM#52
Originally posted by nariusseldon

Certainly not mediocre in terms of review scores and sales. 

I'm a gamer, not an activision investor. I only care about how good the game really is.

  nariusseldon

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9/12/13 9:43:47 PM#53
Originally posted by Teh_Axi
Originally posted by nariusseldon

Certainly not mediocre in terms of review scores and sales. 

I'm a gamer, not an activision investor. I only care about how good the game really is.

Yes, you miss the part about good review scores?

  Deivos

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9/12/13 10:08:13 PM#54
And you missed the part about whether or not they consider reviews consequential over their own conclusion/experience with the game.

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  TheCrow2k

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9/12/13 10:26:59 PM#55
D2 is best of series by far. D3 has been left in the past as far as the genre goes, there are several other games in the genre that are deeper & more innovative.
  Gorwe

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9/13/13 1:34:43 AM#56
I see that some still don't get it...

Instead of running around in circles in softcore MP 0-4 mode, try doing Hardcore MP 10. Then you'll see what it's truly about(I guarantee you that you'll forget bout items lol!). And when you actually beat Diablo(without dying ofc) it feels OMG WTF PWN HAX awesome. I REALLY doubt that you feel anything in softcore...

Just try HC MP 10. You won't be sorry :D
  sportsfan

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9/13/13 1:39:43 AM#57
Originally posted by Teh_Axi
Originally posted by sportsfan

Mediocre ?

Yeah, MEDIOCRE.

Console version might have fixes the game needs, wouldn't know as I don't own it at the moment, doesn't change the fact D3 was completely average at its release and the PC version still is and will be for a good while yet.

Hardcore is practically pointless and just as mediocre too due to the lack of any random elements and the fact items are completely generic. This even more true now you can complete MP0 relatively easily.

According to YOU, not according to the massive supports it gets from the console USER reviews these latest weeks.

-

But I PLAY D3 on PC hardcore - die once , avatar dead forever.

D3 shines UNIQUELY in a game where perma death is COMBINED with an in game Auction House in hardcore.

You will not find this combo of a central trading Auction House with a hardcore (permadeath) game ANYWHERE.

Only EVE comes close, but even there you can actually make a back up copy of the avatar.

So playing, crafting, trading in a perma death game is unbelievable and a really new cool kind of play.

 

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Certainly in possibilties: do you create a shadow avatar? do you stock old gear to soften the death blow? Crafting plans still exist over death ... should I go for higher Paragons or MP and so gain better resources to trade or craft? Should I go to kill Diablo Inferno with all classes and risk to LOOSE everything ?

Holy grail of perma death on line play is here for the grabs AND combined with a trading AH ... reigned by ... death, that is constantly reset every day because ... your buying avatars today ... can be ... dead tomorrow...

You have really no clue what you talk about if you didn't experience this in D3 end game first hand ...

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The odd fact is that this site searched for a meaningful on line game for years ...with huge challenge AND central trading and a worthy economy... and Diablo 3 in HARDCORE ( by perma death) offers it in SPADES.

Fabulous and best gaming I had in decades.

 

 

 

  Teh_Axi

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9/13/13 6:18:15 AM#58
Originally posted by Gorwe

Just try HC MP 10. You won't be sorry :D

Why would anyone want to grind the same exact thing over and over again just for the sake of it? The areas are a the same, items are the same, classes are the same and getting randomly instagibbed because those are the only things that can kill you in D3 are the same.

If I want perma death, I'd rather play a proper roguelike.

Originally posted by sportsfan

D3 shines UNIQUELY in a game where perma death is COMBINED with an in game Auction House in hardcore.

Who cares about trading when every item is exactly the same, the only reason the HC economy isn't broken is nobody cares to play HC seriously.

  Fangrim

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9/13/13 6:23:25 AM#59
OP,it's just you,I played this game in 1980's,it was called Gauntlet back then :)
  Thorqemada

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9/13/13 6:29:19 AM#60

I favour D1 over D2 though both are very good games - D3 is a big disapointment and nowehre a unique "Snowflake".

It seems there is a huge backward evolution ongoing about the capabilities of devs to produce good games and they fail to meet even Standards that were set over a decade ago.
Probably bcs the new Generation of Devs is grown up with games they try to streamline but streamlined crap is even more crap while the old Devs did grow up with Boardgames and Skillgames and the Imagination of Virtual Reality and Game Worlds while living out a Passion as game developers instead of doing slave hours for slave wages in a slave business.

Well, if you let it happen you deserve it!

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