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  Malcanis

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Joined: 8/17/09
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"A very special kind of stupidity"

9/17/13 4:44:03 AM#81
Originally posted by uplink4242

the world would be a better place if people accepted getting killed in eve was part of the game.

 

The forums would at least, anyway.

EVE is one of the very few games around these days that actually lets you lose.

For many people this is so shocking and unfamiliar that they assume it's a design flaw, when it's actually the whole point of the game.

Give me liberty or give me lasers

  drbaltazar

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Joined: 3/28/07
Posts: 7955

9/17/13 5:47:56 AM#82
Eve is a PvP title.you like to solo?might not want to play this.you know other game like wow say horde is at war with allies.its just word.eve is the real deal.if coated you 20 billion creating your finest I come around destroy everything?yep you just lost 20 billion.it is the most life like experience you all get in PvP .
  drbaltazar

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9/17/13 5:50:12 AM#83
But it isn't as harsh as real money title(only one title like that)
  Electro057

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Joined: 3/05/09
Posts: 537

9/17/13 6:01:52 AM#84
Originally posted by Malcanis
Originally posted by Electro057
Originally posted by Teala
EVE Online is like any online game in the sense that all of them have their share of douche bags.

Pretty much this, Eve samples like any game from real life...In that it draws it's population from that of the real world. Sadly most people are douchebags, moreso when they can get away with it and there are no consequences. Guess what, there are hardly any consequences for being an asshole in a virtual world. So that douchebag that just shoved you and told you to watch where you're walking? Yep.....

 

Ever heard the old saying "If you meet an asshole during your day, well too bad, you encountered an asshole. but if everyone you meet all day is an asshole, then the asshole is you."?

Not precisely....I can give you a fine example where that falls apart, racism and stigmatism....Sometimes people treat others horribly because they simply can, and because the society and norms built around them allow it, sometimes even promote it. And then when that person whom is truly the victim speaks up they're usually battered down or treated like the one whom provoked the assault because of their simple existence. This is an example of people being lesser or treating others unfairly simply because they can get away with it, not an example of being an asshole and seeing them everywhere. You could argue there are a few studies that show when people have power, they tend to abuse it as long as there will be no circumstance....Like the Prisoner and Guard Study by Standford. Or the study with the school children that let them treat others unfairly without any consequence based on the color of their eyes....Of course both studies had different focuses, but you could use them to support this point. Along with many instances of aristocracy and dictatorship which turned to tryanny.

What I'm trying to say....is that the community probably lets people get away with preying upon new players and the like, and that the internet is the bastion of animosity....If they wanna act cruel, they're likely to get away with it and have supporters. And that just boils down to the fact that humans are playing the game, that WE are playing the game. It's just a sample of what happens in real life.

Of course these are just my own beliefs and what supports or influences them, and a core belief of mine is humans are inherently evil and will exact pain upon others if they can get away with it. You could also argue that we're animals, and naturally we compete for resources....And that we are one of the few species that murders for fun, along with primates. 

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  dave6660

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"Next time I see you, remind me not to talk to you."

9/18/13 1:06:01 PM#85
Originally posted by Hazelle

I have noticed that the mockery of 'internet spaceships' seems to be lost on a lot of players these days.

When I first started playing the game was a joke and anyone that took it serious was the punchline.

Internet spaceships is serious business!  Don't dare violence my pixels.

The last corp I was in had an entire section of its forums dedicated to the hate mail we received and the nerd rage convos.  Always put a smile on my face.

"Why so serious?"
-- The Joker

  User Deleted
9/22/13 12:50:34 AM#86

Ooooooh it's an open world pvp game! (and the infamous mmorpg.com forums)

 

  uplink4242

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Joined: 8/15/08
Posts: 232

9/23/13 6:05:26 AM#87
  Malcanis

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Joined: 8/17/09
Posts: 3210

"A very special kind of stupidity"

9/24/13 3:30:08 AM#88
Originally posted by uplink4242

Terrible community indeed:

http://www.reddit.com/r/Eve/comments/1mwmx5/eve_truly_has_the_best_community/

http://themittani.com/news/cfc-holds-vile-rat-memorial-npsi-op

 

 

People who engage with the game and play it as it is get experiences like that.

People who pout because they don't get the special treatment they think they deserve get experiences like the OP.

Give me liberty or give me lasers

  User Deleted
9/24/13 3:39:52 AM#89
Originally posted by Malcanis
Originally posted by uplink4242

Terrible community indeed:

http://www.reddit.com/r/Eve/comments/1mwmx5/eve_truly_has_the_best_community/

http://themittani.com/news/cfc-holds-vile-rat-memorial-npsi-op

 

 

People who engage with the game and play it as it is get experiences like that.

People who pout because they don't get the special treatment they think they deserve get experiences like the OP.

You mean the OP got violated by goons in the back alleys of Jita 4-4?

  Malcanis

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"A very special kind of stupidity"

9/24/13 4:00:38 AM#90
I doubt it was even the goons.

Give me liberty or give me lasers

  Muke

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Joined: 1/04/07
Posts: 1621

9/27/13 3:23:48 AM#91
Originally posted by Onsaboo

The community of this game absolutely appalls me. The amount of griefing and harrassment that goes on in this game these days is absolutely disgusting.

I'm a 4 year vet in the game yet I feel the overwhelming amount of idiots in the game is finally breaking me down. The fckery is rampant and completely unchecked.

kinda like REAL LIFE isn't it?  I LOVE it.

"going into arguments with idiots is a lost cause, it requires you to stoop down to their level and you can't win"

  itchmon

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Joined: 1/21/07
Posts: 1583

10/01/13 9:37:44 AM#92
Folks who point at mittani as an example of eve's bad comminity are really missing the point. The existence of Mittens is exactly what makes eve's community awesome.

Ever see a movie where there are good guys but no bad guys? Or a movie where the bad guy just is a cardboard cutout type character with no depth? Those movies blow don't they? The best movie bad guys are real, believable characters whose actions make you root against them.

Mittani is the best mmo villain ever and no developer had to develop him. Blizz probably but a fortune into developing Arthas and he is nothing compared to mittens.

Eves greatness is found In the fact that characters like mittani can develop themselves... and the community can try to stop Them.

RIP Ribbitribbitt you are missed, kid.

Currently Playing EVE, DFUW

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  Kyleran

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Joined: 9/13/06
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10/01/13 10:36:34 AM#93
Originally posted by itchmon
Folks who point at mittani as an example of eve's bad comminity are really missing the point. The existence of Mittens is exactly what makes eve's community awesome.

Ever see a movie where there are good guys but no bad guys? Or a movie where the bad guy just is a cardboard cutout type character with no depth? Those movies blow don't they? The best movie bad guys are real, believable characters whose actions make you root against them.

Mittani is the best mmo villain ever and no developer had to develop him. Blizz probably but a fortune into developing Arthas and he is nothing compared to mittens.

Eves greatness is found In the fact that characters like mittani can develop themselves... and the community can try to stop Them.

Exactly.  The villains are more realistic, and I think you'll find that in real life these same folks are quite different than the persona they act out in game.

I enjoy the fact that it's the players who make the stories, and yes, the asshats, griefers, thieves, pirates and other bad guys are what makes up the universe so appealing.

The universe is so horribly unfair.

And I love it.

 

Arrogant, Condescending, Dismissive, Elitist, "Meany", you speak as if these are bad things?
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  Vetarnias

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Joined: 1/13/08
Posts: 631

10/01/13 12:05:33 PM#94
"Horribly unfair" is a double-edged sword. If it appears it's "horribly unfair" because you're not part of a pre-made online community that descends on new games just for the sake of proving how many people they have, then if you're not part of one of those groups, it's not worth it. If it appears it's "horribly unfair" because you didn't start playing nine years ago, then it's not worth beginning to play since the skill system all takes place in real time. It seems EVE is all designed for the veterans, and when they drift away, the game discourages anyone from taking their place.
  Enkindu2

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Joined: 11/09/09
Posts: 27

10/02/13 12:02:06 AM#95
Yep.  Eve is brutal.  Better avoid it if you aren't smart and tough as hell.  Of course if you are...
  itchmon

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Joined: 1/21/07
Posts: 1583

10/02/13 5:43:10 AM#96
Originally posted by Vetarnias
(Snip) If it appears it's "horribly unfair" because you're not part of a pre-made online community that descends on new games just for the sake of proving how many people they have, then if you're not part of one of those groups, it's not worth it. If it appears it's "horribly unfair" because you didn't start playing nine years ago, then it's not worth beginning to play since the skill system all takes place in real time. (snip)

 

that's one of the biggest misconceptions people have at eve.

 

remember there is no max skill cap for players, BUT there ARE max skills that someonecan put into a specific role.  In other words once you max the skills you need to fly and equip an orca, then if you are flying an orca at 10 years worth of Skillpoints or at 9 months worth, it makes zero difference, because you have the same Skillpoints *At that job*.  Where vets have advantage is that they can do more of a variety of things as they progress their character.

 

think of it as "the vets have more alts"  not "the vets will always be better than me"

RIP Ribbitribbitt you are missed, kid.

Currently Playing EVE, DFUW

Every gun that is made, every warship launched, every rocket fired signifies, in the final sense, a theft from those who hunger and are not fed, those who are cold and not clothed.

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Henry Rollins

  Ehliya

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Joined: 7/13/06
Posts: 189

10/02/13 6:30:32 AM#97
Originally posted by Robokapp

what stops a group of players to band togther, slaughter the griefers and form their own utopia among the stars ?

 Codes of laws, ethics and morals were fought for and won through blood. the 'devs' didn't give them to us.

 

IRL these codes could form because RL has consequences.  Online games, by their very nature, don't.  And a game like Eve is sort of no-consequences on steroids.

You could bring Aristotle, Confucius and Moses back and put them in Eve and they would get nowhere.  They would have zero to work with.  Maybe a few people would grow a conscience, but they would be considered odd and special.

That is why I stay away from games like this.  Not because I dislike PVP or risk.  But I find it depressing to see into the black yawning abyss of what my fellow humans can turn into.

  nerovipus32

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10/02/13 6:33:32 AM#98
Oh the butthurtness is strong in the OP.
  uplink4242

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10/02/13 7:15:39 AM#99
Originally posted by Ehliya
Originally posted by Robokapp

what stops a group of players to band togther, slaughter the griefers and form their own utopia among the stars ?

 Codes of laws, ethics and morals were fought for and won through blood. the 'devs' didn't give them to us.

 

IRL these codes could form because RL has consequences.  Online games, by their very nature, don't.  And a game like Eve is sort of no-consequences on steroids.

You could bring Aristotle, Confucius and Moses back and put them in Eve and they would get nowhere.  They would have zero to work with.  Maybe a few people would grow a conscience, but they would be considered odd and special.

That is why I stay away from games like this.  Not because I dislike PVP or risk.  But I find it depressing to see into the black yawning abyss of what my fellow humans can turn into.

Except it's not. Eve is the very embodiment of an mmo with consequences. Not real life ones, obviously, but acting lik a jackass in a game like this will bite you sooner or later. In fact, several people have joined forces to end previous miner gankers, or even entire alliances because of small things. If that's not consequences, then I dunno what else you can expect from a game.

The only reason some griefers prevail is because most people don't bother doing anything about them. Hiring mercenaries? Awox, corporate theft? Ponzi schemes, spies, scams? Ability to trace and attack anyone anywhere? The game certainly has all the tools available to fight back. Those who do get their revenge, while those who don't will forever be in tears, quit and start threads like this one.

  Ehliya

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10/02/13 7:48:00 AM#100
Originally posted by uplink4242
The only reason some griefers prevail is because most people don't bother doing anything about them. Hiring mercenaries? Awox, corporate theft? Ponzi schemes, spies, scams? Ability to trace and attack anyone anywhere? The game certainly has all the tools available to fight back. Those who do get their revenge, while those who don't will forever be in tears, quit and start threads like this one.

I had thought we were talking moral and ethical behavior in general.  IRL consequences include all sort of things and revenge/retribution in-kind is generally seen as a last resort.  If a neighbor shoots his neighbor dead for dumping leaves in his yard, we don't see that as a system that worked - we see it as a failure.  We would rather the leaf-dumper realize his behavior is wrong and stop doing it.

In game worlds like Eve, that happens only coincidentally.  Might making right - which is what you are describing - will always be around.  It is always there as sort of the basement level response.  But counter-harassing someone to get them to rage-quit is not really the sort of moral or ethical code most people think of as optimal.  

If Eve worked as smoothly as you describe - where bad behavior is dealt with by shining knights of virtue that spontaneously arise as needed - then the Eve model would be used across the MMO space.  We would be celebrating Eve as an online training tool for building character.

 

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