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  Vetarnias

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Joined: 1/13/08
Posts: 631

9/14/13 3:50:58 PM#61
Originally posted by Muke
Originally posted by Doogiehowser
Originally posted by Zarak11
Play some DotA then,ul see the difference.

DOTA communities are like little angels compared to wretched people that play EVE.

No, EVE is a game about using your brains, the ones that complain about the communities here are the ones that got ganked, griefed, scammed because they didnt have the devs holding their hands and hug them when the tear bucket started filling.

I let my subscription run out a few days ago. I have never been griefed, ganked or scammed. But the EVE community is awful. For my part, I don't care about the smack-talking grandstanding that goes on at the official forum, or in those videos from that fest in Iceland. And I've seen all the usual scams, the ones that have been detailed/exposed dozens of times, taking place whenever I went to Amarr/Dodixie/Jita. It's a community so blasé about scamming that nobody seems to take offense. As a result, a game that would seem to have features for so much more is pretty much limited in what happens in it. To be honest, Empire sec is boring and the possibility of ganking makes it more alluring, but I wouldn't enjoy myself as a ganker, and I wouldn't enjoy the sort of gameplay going on in lowsec, let alone nullsec, which is probably why I'm not playing anymore.

  Gardavsshade

Hard Core Member

Joined: 6/27/11
Posts: 655

9/14/13 5:43:09 PM#62
Originally posted by Muke
Originally posted by Doogiehowser
Originally posted by Zarak11
Play some DotA then,ul see the difference.

DOTA communities are like little angels compared to wretched people that play EVE.

No, EVE is a game about using your brains, the ones that complain about the communities here are the ones that got ganked, griefed, scammed because they didnt have the devs holding their hands and hug them when the tear bucket started filling.

 

No, It's not just a game about using your brains...

EvE is also a game about playing a MMO without Ethics or Morals, without common courtesy for your fellow Players, or for members of your own Corp even.

Remember, you as a Pod Pilot are a god, but you are a god without any rules, without constraint, and without conscience.

That is EvE. Of course it has a bad community.

 

  Robokapp

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Joined: 11/15/09
Posts: 4776

The only luck I had today was to have you as my opponent.

9/14/13 5:46:36 PM#63
Originally posted by Gardavsshade
Originally posted by Muke
Originally posted by Doogiehowser
Originally posted by Zarak11
Play some DotA then,ul see the difference.

DOTA communities are like little angels compared to wretched people that play EVE.

No, EVE is a game about using your brains, the ones that complain about the communities here are the ones that got ganked, griefed, scammed because they didnt have the devs holding their hands and hug them when the tear bucket started filling.

 

No, It's not just a game about using your brains...

EvE is also a game about playing a MMO without Ethics or Morals, without common courtesy for your fellow Players, or for members of your own Corp even.

That is EvE. Of course it has a bad community.

 

did you ever wonder what humans are like when you can't dial 911 ?

 

eve is closer to the answer than most overconstrained MMOs.

 

you're not fighting eve community here, you're up against human nature.

  Adalwulff

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Joined: 1/18/10
Posts: 1191

"I am not the light, or the darkness, but the twilight in between"

9/14/13 5:54:57 PM#64
Originally posted by Onsaboo

The community of this game absolutely appalls me. The amount of griefing and harrassment that goes on in this game these days is absolutely disgusting.

I'm a 4 year vet in the game yet I feel the overwhelming amount of idiots in the game is finally breaking me down. The fckery is rampant and completely unchecked.

 

I played off and on for about 7 years, and I finally left for the same reasons you did

The amount of griefing has become an epidemic. They don't even bother hiding it anymore.

The last time I played, there were "can flippers" all over the high sec areas. They were openly hacking and talking about it on chat. Nothing ever happed to them.

Several new players tried complaining, then gave up and quit. I cant blame them

What a waste too, EVE is such an awesome game...

  Vetarnias

Novice Member

Joined: 1/13/08
Posts: 631

9/14/13 5:58:25 PM#65

And yet "human nature" gave us codes of laws, ethics, morals.

The problem with EVE is not so much that "human nature" dictates what it is. It is that the designers themselves came up with a system that pandered to the asshats. And what real life has, and a video game hasn't, is consequences for one's actions. I mean consequences that matter. And in a video game, if you don't like it, you can quit.  It doesn't mean, however, that you can't cause real harm in a video game -- like that guy Mittani urged his cronies to pester into killing himself, for instance. It's perhaps this last point which makes me wary of games that encourage this kind of "human nature".

  User Deleted
9/14/13 6:00:17 PM#66
Originally posted by Robokapp

did you ever wonder what humans are like when you can't dial 911 ?

eve is closer to the answer than most overconstrained MMOs.

you're not fighting eve community here, you're up against human nature.

 

Pfffttt.... And here you make them sound like special bears for playing PVP with spreadsheets and lag. I guess they are but I typically look at visiting the average MMO community like taking a TRIP TO WALMART.   It explains everything without need for further comment and even where Goons come from. They all Sam's choice you dig?

  Chram

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Joined: 12/11/08
Posts: 92

9/14/13 6:00:48 PM#67
Originally posted by Gardavsshade
Originally posted by Muke
Originally posted by Doogiehowser
Originally posted by Zarak11
Play some DotA then,ul see the difference.

DOTA communities are like little angels compared to wretched people that play EVE.

No, EVE is a game about using your brains, the ones that complain about the communities here are the ones that got ganked, griefed, scammed because they didnt have the devs holding their hands and hug them when the tear bucket started filling.

 

No, It's not just a game about using your brains...

EvE is also a game about playing a MMO without Ethics or Morals, without common courtesy for your fellow Players, or for members of your own Corp even.

Remember, you as a Pod Pilot are a god, but you are a god without any rules, without constraint, and without conscience.

That is EvE. Of course it has a bad community.

 

Maybe. Our experiences differ, plenty of common courtesy for my fellow corp and alliance mates in my neck of the woods.

It is true that no morals and ethics are forced upon you, but a very important consequence is, actually being ethical and moral is much more valuable than in other MMOs.

 

  Robokapp

Hard Core Member

Joined: 11/15/09
Posts: 4776

The only luck I had today was to have you as my opponent.

9/14/13 6:02:08 PM#68
Originally posted by Vetarnias

And yet "human nature" gave us codes of laws, ethics, morals.

The problem with EVE is not so much that "human nature" dictates what it is. It is that the designers themselves came up with a system that pandered to the asshats. And what real life has, and a video game hasn't, is consequences for one's actions. I mean consequences that matter. And in a video game, if you don't like it, you can quit.  It doesn't mean, however, that you can't cause real harm in a video game -- like that guy Mittani urged his cronies to pester into killing himself, for instance. It's perhaps this last point which makes me wary of games that encourage this kind of "human nature".

what stops a group of players to band togther, slaughter the griefers and form their own utopia among the stars ?

 

codes of laws, ethics and morals were fought for and won through blood. the 'devs' didn't give them to us.

 

what Mittani did was not done in-game, it was done live at fanfest afaik. It's very little connection between that and EVE except 'they all played it". asking for someone's death irl is a real-world problem not a gameworld problem.

  Gardavsshade

Hard Core Member

Joined: 6/27/11
Posts: 655

9/14/13 6:09:48 PM#69
Originally posted by Vetarnias

And yet "human nature" gave us codes of laws, ethics, morals.

The problem with EVE is not so much that "human nature" dictates what it is. It is that the designers themselves came up with a system that pandered to the asshats. And what real life has, and a video game hasn't, is consequences for one's actions. I mean consequences that matter. And in a video game, if you don't like it, you can quit.  It doesn't mean, however, that you can't cause real harm in a video game -- like that guy Mittani urged his cronies to pester into killing himself, for instance. It's perhaps this last point which makes me wary of games that encourage this kind of "human nature".

I myself believe it wasn't Humanity that gave us(ourselves) codes of laws, ethics, morals.... but I will not discuss my beliefs further in these forums except to saythis...  I am convinced it was these given to us by a "third party" and without them our species would have killed ourselves off centuries ago. I played EvE for over 4 years and I see in EvE what would have happened to us in real life if we had had no "third party interference" like we did.

Now add to that your observation... which I agree with... that the Devs came up with EvE to pandor to the asshats... and voila.

  Gardavsshade

Hard Core Member

Joined: 6/27/11
Posts: 655

9/14/13 6:17:13 PM#70
Originally posted by Chram
Originally posted by Gardavsshade
Originally posted by Muke
Originally posted by Doogiehowser
Originally posted by Zarak11
Play some DotA then,ul see the difference.

DOTA communities are like little angels compared to wretched people that play EVE.

No, EVE is a game about using your brains, the ones that complain about the communities here are the ones that got ganked, griefed, scammed because they didnt have the devs holding their hands and hug them when the tear bucket started filling.

 

No, It's not just a game about using your brains...

EvE is also a game about playing a MMO without Ethics or Morals, without common courtesy for your fellow Players, or for members of your own Corp even.

Remember, you as a Pod Pilot are a god, but you are a god without any rules, without constraint, and without conscience.

That is EvE. Of course it has a bad community.

 

Maybe. Our experiences differ, plenty of common courtesy for my fellow corp and alliance mates in my neck of the woods.

It is true that no morals and ethics are forced upon you, but a very important consequence is, actually being ethical and moral is much more valuable than in other MMOs.

 

Yes I agree, when anything is rare then it is "valuable", and Ethics and Morals are rare in EvE generally speaking. You have had good experiences, I am happy about that. When you find good People in EvE you stay with them if you can.

  Slampig

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Joined: 12/29/03
Posts: 2402

Whatever you do, do NOT speak ill of Asheron's Call 2...

9/14/13 6:27:02 PM#71
Originally posted by sketocafe
I feel the opposite, that EVE has one of the best communities I've seen online so far. The problem is that people think it's personal when they get their stuff blown up and they conflate a complete lack of sympathy for poor decision-making with being "bad."

On the other side of that coin, those people who "lack" the sympathy totally do not have to blow some dude up. You can't always point the finger at everyone else, you gotta look at yourself every once in a while, and you know? There sure are a LOT of dicks in this game...

That Guild Wars 2 login screen knocked up my wife. Must be the second coming!

  Psion33

Novice Member

Joined: 8/06/13
Posts: 257

9/14/13 6:43:35 PM#72

It's true-- the gamers-- are the ones ruining EVE and even worse, they are the worthless [bleep] who try to "game" the system by making the in game currency up for the monthly subs.

 

IMHO, the gaming company should just "cut slingload" as we would say in the Army and be done with them altogether.

  NagelRitter

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Joined: 7/18/13
Posts: 613

9/14/13 7:03:07 PM#73

I'd agree that EVE's community is pretty bad, mostly because the game promotes griefing and makes anti-griefing difficult and unprofitable.

The good thing about this is that being different is not hard - just don't be an asshole. The same could be said about Dota while we're at it.

Favorite MMO: Vanilla WoW
Currently playing: GW2, EVE
Excited for: Wildstar, maybe?

  Angzt

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Joined: 12/05/07
Posts: 233

"Growing old is compulsory, growing up is optional."(Bob Monkhouse)

9/14/13 7:03:19 PM#74
Originally posted by Onsaboo

The community of this game absolutely appalls me. The amount of griefing and harrassment that goes on in this game these days is absolutely disgusting.

I'm a 4 year vet in the game yet I feel the overwhelming amount of idiots in the game is finally breaking me down. The fckery is rampant and completely unchecked.

took you 4 years to notice that eve is an open world pvp game? :)

hm, seems about normal. welcome to eve online.

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  Salenger

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Joined: 11/29/04
Posts: 512

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9/14/13 7:18:35 PM#75

None of these games e.g. EVE or DOTA have anything on the DARKFALL community, Darkfall is simply thee worst community I have ever encountered in any MMO I have ever played.  They are the lowest of the low, Eve and DOTA are christian schools for children compared to darkfall.

Doubt me ask around!

  Hazelle

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Joined: 1/20/11
Posts: 773

9/16/13 1:31:07 AM#76
Originally posted by Robokapp
Originally posted by Gardavsshade
Originally posted by Muke
Originally posted by Doogiehowser
Originally posted by Zarak11
Play some DotA then,ul see the difference.

DOTA communities are like little angels compared to wretched people that play EVE.

No, EVE is a game about using your brains, the ones that complain about the communities here are the ones that got ganked, griefed, scammed because they didnt have the devs holding their hands and hug them when the tear bucket started filling.

 

No, It's not just a game about using your brains...

EvE is also a game about playing a MMO without Ethics or Morals, without common courtesy for your fellow Players, or for members of your own Corp even.

That is EvE. Of course it has a bad community.

 

did you ever wonder what humans are like when you can't dial 911 ?

 

eve is closer to the answer than most overconstrained MMOs.

 

you're not fighting eve community here, you're up against human nature.

The main drives in human nature are nowhere to be found in eve online so eve online is as far from human nature as you can get.

To the guy above you that said:

EvE is also a game about playing a MMO without Ethics or Morals, without common courtesy for your fellow Players, or for members of your own Corp even.

This is true, and eve provides this, but it also provides the opposite of that.

I just brought up the Jita map.

22 ships have been destroyed in the last hour.

1524 jumps have occured in the last hour with an average of 166 pilots in space over the past hour.

We know nothing about those kills but let's assume the worst and that they were the result of sinsiter characters that committed murder most foul.  With all of that traffic in and out of the primary trade hub in the game you only get around a 1% murder rate which is pretty damn great for a full loot FFA PvP MMORPG.

The point is that most characters just pass each other by without drama, but you never hear about it.

  kzaske

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Joined: 9/28/09
Posts: 515

9/16/13 1:45:31 AM#77
Originally posted by Onsaboo

The community of this game absolutely appalls me. The amount of griefing and harrassment that goes on in this game these days is absolutely disgusting.

I'm a 4 year vet in the game yet I feel the overwhelming amount of idiots in the game is finally breaking me down. The fckery is rampant and completely unchecked.

A few years back, I tried playing EVE.  I found the community to be rather typical for a PvP focused game.  I am not saying that my experence was good or that they are bad, just that it was not something I wanted to be involved in.  I cancelled my sub after losing my first two ships in the first week.

  Squeak69

Apprentice Member

Joined: 1/21/13
Posts: 972

cheese cheese wheres da bloody cheese

9/16/13 3:35:22 AM#78
you must not have tried tera, or for a venture into another style of game league of legends

F2P may be the way of the future, but ya know they dont make them like they used to
Proper Grammer & spelling are extra, corrections will be LOL at.

  uplink4242

Advanced Member

Joined: 8/15/08
Posts: 238

9/16/13 9:51:26 AM#79

the world would be a better place if people accepted getting killed in eve was part of the game.

Honestly, nobody is there to grief you. Whoever attacked you probably won't remember your name in a few minutes, and most noobs that get attacked by pirates actually recieve their money and ships back as well as some friendly advice. I don't see how much better it can be than this.

Excessive trashtalking does get people banned in this game. Ganking noob systems is as well. 

  Hazelle

Novice Member

Joined: 1/20/11
Posts: 773

9/17/13 3:28:09 AM#80

I have noticed that the mockery of 'internet spaceships' seems to be lost on a lot of players these days.

When I first started playing the game was a joke and anyone that took it serious was the punchline.

 

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